Dumping my Dynasty Leagues (1 Viewer)

[Rovers]

I'm going to drop most (excepting for one) of my dynasty leagues next year. I just see too many probelms with it. I might add that I am far less successful in them as compared to redrafts or even redrafts with keepers. The problems I have with Dynasty leagues in no particular order:

1. The luck factor. I actually think the luck factor is bigger in dynasty leagues. If NFL teams can't avoid busts in the draft, how can I do any better? For instance I reluctantly took Spiller this year around 5 or so. In another I took Hardesty. You just can't afford to have bust picks in 16 team IDP dynasty leagues. I've held M Bush until now... another apparent bust. Who had James Anderson locked up with a three year contract before last year? AJ Hawk is a bust based on draft ADP.

2. The bidding process. I've been caught too often after the Wednesday blind bidding to find out 3 of my DL's are now hurt with another 2 on byes. I have to start a player that is out, bidding is closed for the week. How many DL's can one carry on a roster?

3. Ownership issues:

a. Tanking

b. Depleting a roster for a run and quitting.

c. Turnover. Why pay league dues when there is no garantee that at the end of your 2 year rebuild the league still exists?

d. Prolonged fueds between owners.

e. Owners who accuse others of tanking when their buddy is doing the same thing and that's just fine.

4. Commissioner turnover. It's such a thankless job, people get fed up. It's a lot of work, but they get grief at every turn, usually by the same owners.

5. Trades. It seems to me that the same owners are always the ones getting the better end of every trade they are involved in. It's a talent I suppose, but one I don't seem to have.

In short, I have come to enjoy playing in dynasty leagues less and less. I am also far more successful in redraft leagues (including IDP's with 40 man rosters). My success rate really isn't why I have soured on dynasty leagues, I've done well enough, probably breaking even over the years I've played, I just like to start with a new slate every year.

Redraft pluses

No worries about tanking. Draft a rookie, but take you're chances, a wrong choice won't haunt you for the next 3 years. Finding replacement owners is far easier. Trying to get new owners for gutted dynasty rosters is not fun, or fair to the new owner. Waivers, depending on the system can be done right up until game time. Late injury announcements can be adjusted for.

I'll keep one dynasty league just for the fun of having the rookie draft more than anything, but I'm looking forward to joining another redraft league or two for next year. Anyone else changing their approach to dynasty leagues and leagues in general?

 

[footballnerd]

sounds like you been hanging out with B. Jacobs today.

 

[Novice2]

It is so much funner when you are winning. Although my winless startup team this year has been blast.

 

[thecardiackid]

sounds like the idp isn't your proverbial cup of tea. and i understand. it's hard enough to be good enough to compete for banners when only concentrating on one side of the ball.

i'd say, once this bad taste leaves your mouth, and you're back in here w/ the boyz in Feb. prognosticating, then pick a couple of them. personally i only do 2 dynastys and one redraft. all are $$, but i don't get how guys can effectively manage 5+ teams. maybe they have the spare time i guess.

don't hate the game, hate the playa. and change it so it once again becomes enjoyable.

 

[BINGBING]

I feel your pain with exception for the rookie draft luck factor. There is a simple strategy to avoid this...sell your picks that are a gamble for proven players. People overpay for risky draft picks every year.

 

[Eraser]

sounds like the idp isn't your proverbial cup of tea. and i understand. it's hard enough to be good enough to compete for banners when only concentrating on one side of the ball.

i'd say, once this bad taste leaves your mouth, and you're back in here w/ the boyz in Feb. prognosticating, then pick a couple of them. personally i only do 2 dynastys and one redraft. all are $$, but i don't get how guys can effectively manage 5+ teams. maybe they have the spare time i guess.

don't hate the game, hate the playa. and change it so it once again becomes enjoyable.

This is exactly why I'm dumping 3 of my 5 Dynasty Leagues after this season.....going to roll with my original 2 and get back to enjoying FF.

 

[Rovers]

sounds like the idp isn't your proverbial cup of tea. and i understand. it's hard enough to be good enough to compete for banners when only concentrating on one side of the ball. i'd say, once this bad taste leaves your mouth, and you're back in here w/ the boyz in Feb. prognosticating, then pick a couple of them. personally i only do 2 dynastys and one redraft. all are $$, but i don't get how guys can effectively manage 5+ teams. maybe they have the spare time i guess.don't hate the game, hate the playa. and change it so it once again becomes enjoyable.

Not true at all. All of my dynasty leagus are indeed IDP, but last year I started a redraft IDP league, same starting requirements, 3LB, 3 DL, 3 DB, 40 man rosters. Same scoring system as well. I really like the redraft IDP league. I am in 3 dynasty leagues, that redraft IDP league and a keep 2 league. I enjoy the latter two far more. It's about roster flexability, really. It's also about time. Dynasty leagues take far, far more time to manage. Trades get complicated while trying to make contract years remain within league limits, and my dyanasty leagues have waivers on Wednesday, that's it. Late injury announcements, and you are stuck unless you can make a trade and do it fast. That happened to me this year, and one owner raised a ruckus asking for a vote, claiming I was being unethical since I had already mentioned it was my last year in the league. That was pure B S, but I don't need the aggravation. No such headaches in redrafts. If I am fed up with anything, it's idiot owners like the one I mentioned in the above diatribe along with roster inflexability. Why ante up annual dues for a 2 or 3 year rebuild when the league might even fold before one can see the promised land? Two of my 3 dynasty leagues barely survived going into this year. Redraft leagues are IMO more sustainable, and everyone gets a fresh start every year. No contracts. No league $$ depending on how waivers are done. Simpler, and far easier to commish. Heck, I would not even be upset if I weren't in any dynasty leagues next year. But IDP? I LOVE it. I prefer it.

 

[39407]

You knew the rules before joining up, suck it up. No one likes a quitter.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

sounds like the idp isn't your proverbial cup of tea. and i understand. it's hard enough to be good enough to compete for banners when only concentrating on one side of the ball.

i'd say, once this bad taste leaves your mouth, and you're back in here w/ the boyz in Feb. prognosticating, then pick a couple of them. personally i only do 2 dynastys and one redraft. all are $$, but i don't get how guys can effectively manage 5+ teams. maybe they have the spare time i guess.

don't hate the game, hate the playa. and change it so it once again becomes enjoyable.

This is exactly why I'm dumping 3 of my 5 Dynasty Leagues after this season.....going to roll with my original 2 and get back to enjoying FF.

I don't really see how it makes a huge difference. You have to do all the research if you play in 1, and that carries over to the other leagues as well. You have to set a couple more lineups, but thats not a huge hassle. I guess it might be a little harder to actively trade in a bunch of leagues, but I play in 10+ leagues (mostly dynasty with a few redraft) and I am one of the more active owners in every one of them.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

sounds like the idp isn't your proverbial cup of tea. and i understand. it's hard enough to be good enough to compete for banners when only concentrating on one side of the ball.

i'd say, once this bad taste leaves your mouth, and you're back in here w/ the boyz in Feb. prognosticating, then pick a couple of them. personally i only do 2 dynastys and one redraft. all are $$, but i don't get how guys can effectively manage 5+ teams. maybe they have the spare time i guess.

don't hate the game, hate the playa. and change it so it once again becomes enjoyable.

This is exactly why I'm dumping 3 of my 5 Dynasty Leagues after this season.....going to roll with my original 2 and get back to enjoying FF.

I don't really see how it makes a huge difference. You have to do all the research if you play in 1, and that carries over to the other leagues as well. You have to set a couple more lineups, but thats not a huge hassle. I guess it might be a little harder to actively trade in a bunch of leagues, but I play in 10+ leagues (mostly dynasty with a few redraft) and I am one of the more active owners in every one of them.

It's hard to get emotionally invested in 5 teams, let alone 10. People like to identify with certain players. Just because my knowledge suggests I can play in more, doesn't mean I'd want to. Many people, though not necessarily the OP, find less is more. [i happen to play in only 1 fairly serious league]OP: I think the larger question is: "how do you foster long-term fantasy leagues?" With continuity, it sounds like most of the problems you're talking about are reduced.

 

[hostile]

I feel your pain with exception for the rookie draft luck factor. There is a simple strategy to avoid this...sell your picks that are a gamble for proven players. People overpay for risky draft picks every year.

This.

As an example, I moved a high pick (1.04) on a rebuild team which I took over last year as *part* of a deal which landed me Miles Austin, 1.07, & 2.02. I kept my 2.04. I then landed D Thomas, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez at each of those picks.

People are suckers for 1st round picks, when in reality, most of those guys are 2-4 rounders in the real draft (depending). I'll almost always move a 1st for a proven, young guy or a young guy with pedigree who seems to be slumping a bit.

Another route is the flip side of the 1st rounders - you can package up your "pocket lint" picks if you are at the back of a draft. Package up your late 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks together with a young guy with upside for a much better player. Either way, people want shiny and new.

This year, I could have had Darren McFadden for my 1.11 pick in one league, but I wanted Mike Williams instead. Turns out Williams went at 1.10 and I lost out on DMac... didnt follow my own advice. Before the 2009 season, you could have had guys like Mendy and RRay for pennies compared to today.... use people's lust for picks against them.

 

[Rovers]

You knew the rules before joining up, suck it up. No one likes a quitter.

You sound just like the guy who wanted to have a vote accusing me of being "unethical". That wasn't in the rules. Having to put up with a whiner. The commish even told me privately that his accusations were nonsense, but this guy is a trouble maker, the commish admitted as much saying he was an instigator, always has been, and is part of why I've had enough. He seems to have people including the commish afraid to tell him when he's wrong. He'll go ballistic. So, he gets quietly patronized, and everyone hopes he would just go away. Why should I remain in a league I don't enjoy? And pay for the privledge? That isn't quitting, it's removing a rock from one's shoe, unless you like aggravation. I don't. And you also seemed to have missed the main point: I don't like the format. I took that bait... sorry. Back on topic:MK, I agree that continuity and good owners are the key to any good dynasty league. It only takes one bad apple to riun the entire barrel however. I've seen that happen, owners leaving in bunches because of one very problematic owner. Because of the commitment level, it is much more difficult to remove a problem owner from a dynasty league. The time commitment to dynasty leagues is far greater. There is the off season RFA bidding, then the rookie draft, managing contract lengths, developmental taxi squads, now think about the time a commish ahs to spend keeping it all together. Then again, my biggest problem with it, how inflexable the roster is.

 

[gregjcross]

I feel your pain with exception for the rookie draft luck factor. There is a simple strategy to avoid this...sell your picks that are a gamble for proven players. People overpay for risky draft picks every year.

i agree here, IDP 12 team league, ive probably traded away every first round draft pick since 2005. WRs and LBs seem to be worth it, RBs are mainly busts and always attract great offers.

 

[Rovers]

I feel your pain with exception for the rookie draft luck factor. There is a simple strategy to avoid this...sell your picks that are a gamble for proven players. People overpay for risky draft picks every year.

This.

As an example, I moved a high pick (1.04) on a rebuild team which I took over last year as *part* of a deal which landed me Miles Austin, 1.07, & 2.02. I kept my 2.04. I then landed D Thomas, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez at each of those picks.

People are suckers for 1st round picks, when in reality, most of those guys are 2-4 rounders in the real draft (depending). I'll almost always move a 1st for a proven, young guy or a young guy with pedigree who seems to be slumping a bit.

Another route is the flip side of the 1st rounders - you can package up your "pocket lint" picks if you are at the back of a draft. Package up your late 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks together with a young guy with upside for a much better player. Either way, people want shiny and new.

This year, I could have had Darren McFadden for my 1.11 pick in one league, but I wanted Mike Williams instead. Turns out Williams went at 1.10 and I lost out on DMac... didnt follow my own advice. Before the 2009 season, you could have had guys like Mendy and RRay for pennies compared to today.... use people's lust for picks against them.

Good points, but perhaps league specific. Owners in the leagues I am in would never part with an A Miles if he had a reasonable (more than one year left) contract length. The best I could do with a late 1st round pick 2 years ago was B Jacobs, and some people thought I over paid. That is in a 16 team league too. Your example might have (would have) been contested in my leagues. You got a ridiculous steal there.

 

[Eraser]

sounds like the idp isn't your proverbial cup of tea. and i understand. it's hard enough to be good enough to compete for banners when only concentrating on one side of the ball.

i'd say, once this bad taste leaves your mouth, and you're back in here w/ the boyz in Feb. prognosticating, then pick a couple of them. personally i only do 2 dynastys and one redraft. all are $$, but i don't get how guys can effectively manage 5+ teams. maybe they have the spare time i guess.

don't hate the game, hate the playa. and change it so it once again becomes enjoyable.

This is exactly why I'm dumping 3 of my 5 Dynasty Leagues after this season.....going to roll with my original 2 and get back to enjoying FF.

I don't really see how it makes a huge difference. You have to do all the research if you play in 1, and that carries over to the other leagues as well. You have to set a couple more lineups, but thats not a huge hassle. I guess it might be a little harder to actively trade in a bunch of leagues, but I play in 10+ leagues (mostly dynasty with a few redraft) and I am one of the more active owners in every one of them.

16 team....40 man rosters with IDP..... it's often times exhausting to make sure that all injury/bye week issues are covered. I love my Dynasty Leagues.....just don't love being in 5 that require an extremely insane amount of attention if you want to be competitive.

 

[Eraser]

You knew the rules before joining up, suck it up. No one likes a quitter.

You sound just like the guy who wanted to have a vote accusing me of being "unethical". That wasn't in the rules. Having to put up with a whiner. The commish even told me privately that his accusations were nonsense, but this guy is a trouble maker, the commish admitted as much saying he was an instigator, always has been, and is part of why I've had enough. He seems to have people including the commish afraid to tell him when he's wrong. He'll go ballistic. So, he gets quietly patronized, and everyone hopes he would just go away. Why should I remain in a league I don't enjoy? And pay for the privledge? That isn't quitting, it's removing a rock from one's shoe, unless you like aggravation. I don't. And you also seemed to have missed the main point: I don't like the format. I took that bait... sorry. Back on topic:MK, I agree that continuity and good owners are the key to any good dynasty league. It only takes one bad apple to riun the entire barrel however. I've seen that happen, owners leaving in bunches because of one very problematic owner. Because of the commitment level, it is much more difficult to remove a problem owner from a dynasty league. The time commitment to dynasty leagues is far greater. There is the off season RFA bidding, then the rookie draft, managing contract lengths, developmental taxi squads, now think about the time a commish ahs to spend keeping it all together. Then again, my biggest problem with it, how inflexable the roster is.

Hmmm.....sounds familiar.

 

[BigJim®]

I'm going to drop most (excepting for one) of my dynasty leagues next year.

First off, I read your whole post, and don't necessarily disagree with some of your points. I had to pause after this sentence though, before getting to points you were about to make. I've never really understood the joining of multiple dynasty leagues. I wouldn't enjoy at all having several dynasty teams. rooting for and against the career success of the same players. Also, I'm guessing it's hard not to play similar player hunches (or draft targets) across several teams, rather than on a single team where impact of mistake or drafting a dud doesn't wreak so much havoc. And when chaos happens in one way or another in 6 different leagues, I can see how it feels symptomatic of a format- but a lot of those same things happen in redraft leagues. Anyway, it doesn't surprise my you didn't enjoy managing multiple dynasty teams. Hopefully you will look at it differently managing just one team.

 

[hostile]

I feel your pain with exception for the rookie draft luck factor. There is a simple strategy to avoid this...sell your picks that are a gamble for proven players. People overpay for risky draft picks every year.

This.

As an example, I moved a high pick (1.04) on a rebuild team which I took over last year as *part* of a deal which landed me Miles Austin, 1.07, & 2.02. I kept my 2.04. I then landed D Thomas, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez at each of those picks.

People are suckers for 1st round picks, when in reality, most of those guys are 2-4 rounders in the real draft (depending). I'll almost always move a 1st for a proven, young guy or a young guy with pedigree who seems to be slumping a bit.

Another route is the flip side of the 1st rounders - you can package up your "pocket lint" picks if you are at the back of a draft. Package up your late 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks together with a young guy with upside for a much better player. Either way, people want shiny and new.

This year, I could have had Darren McFadden for my 1.11 pick in one league, but I wanted Mike Williams instead. Turns out Williams went at 1.10 and I lost out on DMac... didnt follow my own advice. Before the 2009 season, you could have had guys like Mendy and RRay for pennies compared to today.... use people's lust for picks against them.

Good points, but perhaps league specific. Owners in the leagues I am in would never part with an A Miles if he had a reasonable (more than one year left) contract length. The best I could do with a late 1st round pick 2 years ago was B Jacobs, and some people thought I over paid. That is in a 16 team league too. Your example might have (would have) been contested in my leagues. You got a ridiculous steal there.

Please note, I said "part of a deal". It wasnt Austin for 1.04 - I wouldnt play in a league where trades like that were normal. I was just reinforcing the previous point that it is very easy to mitigate "the bust factor" by capitalizing on people's seemingly constant desire for the "new" and using the (usually) inflated value of picks to your advantage to land more proven talent.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

 

[Rovers]

You knew the rules before joining up, suck it up. No one likes a quitter.

You sound just like the guy who wanted to have a vote accusing me of being "unethical". That wasn't in the rules. Having to put up with a whiner. The commish even told me privately that his accusations were nonsense, but this guy is a trouble maker, the commish admitted as much saying he was an instigator, always has been, and is part of why I've had enough. He seems to have people including the commish afraid to tell him when he's wrong. He'll go ballistic. So, he gets quietly patronized, and everyone hopes he would just go away. Why should I remain in a league I don't enjoy? And pay for the privledge? That isn't quitting, it's removing a rock from one's shoe, unless you like aggravation. I don't. And you also seemed to have missed the main point: I don't like the format. I took that bait... sorry. Back on topic:MK, I agree that continuity and good owners are the key to any good dynasty league. It only takes one bad apple to riun the entire barrel however. I've seen that happen, owners leaving in bunches because of one very problematic owner. Because of the commitment level, it is much more difficult to remove a problem owner from a dynasty league. The time commitment to dynasty leagues is far greater. There is the off season RFA bidding, then the rookie draft, managing contract lengths, developmental taxi squads, now think about the time a commish ahs to spend keeping it all together. Then again, my biggest problem with it, how inflexable the roster is.

Hmmm.....sounds familiar.

Hello E... some of us use the same screen name no matter where we post about FF, eh? Thing is in a dynasty, yes, all the research still has to be done no more or less than in a redraft league, but the time involved in managing them is vastly different. You should consider the Redraft Wars league next year. Same scoring systems, but not nearly the time requirement. Mr Hipple, is posting about a personal preferance of one type of league over another really T shirt material? Don't let a troll misdirect the topic... it's about formats, time commitment and the other things I mentioned in the starting post. We play FF for fun right? Why not play in the formats each of us find to be the most enjoyable?

 

[FUBAR]

No worries about tanking. Draft a rookie, but take you're chances, a wrong choice won't haunt you for the next 3 years. Finding replacement owners is far easier. Trying to get new owners for gutted dynasty rosters is not fun, or fair to the new owner. Waivers, depending on the system can be done right up until game time. Late injury announcements can be adjusted for.

why can't this be done in dynasty leagues?

 

[comfortably numb]

Yea, I am in the opposite direction as you.

Can't stand REDRAFTS anymore.

Teams start off 1-4, you may never hear from them again.

A 12 team league essentially becomes a 7 team league by week 10 in terms of activity.

Not sure why WW would not be open til kick off in your leagues. That would be a HUGE negative to me.

I am in 16 team IDP's wih 45 man roster, 3 IR and 3 TAXI slots

To me it's a perfect balance.

Turnover: while I think, ideally all teams always staying around is best, sometimes a new owner here or there brings some life into a league.

While I agree that in 16 team leagues, bust are a big blow to any team, but that is where the fun comes in IMO.

Looking back at past rookie drafts and seeing MJD going in the 3rd RD, Finley in the 4th and on and on...

Tanking

I play in 4 leagues with the same set up.

There is a fine line between tanking and rebuilding.

To me tanking is benching ADP for Kenneth Darby on his BYE week

Or trading Brady for Mike Nugent to your BIL

Every year there are teams that are buyers and sellers. Some sell a lot more than others.

I would not be happy with tanking in any league, but rebuilding is actually fun.

What I also like in REDRAFT v's DYNASTY is more player value.

In a REDRAFT Dallas Clark is on the WW now.

In a DYNASTY I traded him for Brandon Pettigrew.

In REDRAFT you probably trade TO for Fitzgerald and SJax, while in a DYNASTY I don't think I would pay a 1st RD pick for TO.

With that said, your leagues are only as good as their owners.

 

[fsufan]

The problems I have with Dynasty leagues in no particular order:1. The luck factor. I actually think the luck factor is bigger in dynasty leagues. If NFL teams can't avoid busts in the draft, how can I do any better? For instance I reluctantly took Spiller this year around 5 or so. In another I took Hardesty. You just can't afford to have bust picks in 16 team IDP dynasty leagues. I've held M Bush until now... another apparent bust. Who had James Anderson locked up with a three year contract before last year? AJ Hawk is a bust based on draft ADP.

 

[fsufan]

a. Tanking

a good commish would have rules in place for this

 

[fsufan]

3. Ownership issues:b. Depleting a roster for a run and quitting.

I have been running dynasty leagues for 13 year, seen this happen before. not sure what you can do as long as the owner in following the rules

 

[fsufan]

4. Commissioner turnover. It's such a thankless job, people get fed up. It's a lot of work, but they get grief at every turn, usually by the same owners.

couldn't of said it better myself

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

There is a simple strategy to avoid this...sell your picks that are a gamble for proven players. People overpay for risky draft picks every year.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

3. Ownership issues:b. Depleting a roster for a run and quitting.

I have been running dynasty leagues for 13 year, seen this happen before. not sure what you can do as long as the owner in following the rules

it's like the real NFL. the worst teams plan for next year. that's the nice thing about dynasty. in fact, in my dynasty league, there is no trade penalty and no trade veto process. It is assumed that if you get the short end of a deal, you suffer the consequences next year. learn from it and improve your team management. If the NFL can allow a Ralph Wilson or a Dan Snyder to mismanage their teams, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same in our FF dynasty league.also in my dynasty we're a close bunch of friends. so the guy on the short end of the deal will hear it from the rest of us, especially those playing against the guy who got the better end of the deal. it's a nice level of accountability here.

 

[snellman]

No worries about tanking. Draft a rookie, but take you're chances, a wrong choice won't haunt you for the next 3 years. Finding replacement owners is far easier. Trying to get new owners for gutted dynasty rosters is not fun, or fair to the new owner. Waivers, depending on the system can be done right up until game time. Late injury announcements can be adjusted for.

why can't this be done in dynasty leagues?

Exactly. Why do dynasty leagues seem to get so tight on waiver systems? I am in a couple leagues that use an auction format for FAs after the rookie draft is over. each owner gets $300 for the season and if you choose to blow your wad before the season starts, your fault. Another league I am in runs waivers on Wed, then it is open until game time. Limiting FA moves seems like a really bad call IMO.

 

[Giants4Life]

Sore loser

 

[Insein]

I'm not a big dynasty man myself but it sounds like you enjoyed it at one point. So like others said, cutting back on the number of leagues will probably increase your enjoyment. I like to do only about 2 or 3 leagues at most a year. Any more becomes cumbersome and I don't get a feel for who "my guys" are. Too much going on that it merely becomes set a lineup and find out what happens on tuesday.

 

[PIK95]

I am going to drop a couple of my leagues after this year. I am in too many and most of the best players in my leagues are also in multiple leagues which means none of us are as active as we probably could be. I still usually at least break even but I am not enjoying myself much anymore. My leagues where there are trash talking active owners get most of my attention now. Having young kids also takes away from my ff dynasty enjoyment. I use it as an escape morw than anything and I only stay in to keep relationships with certain friends active.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

A man's gotta know his limitations.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I'm going to drop most (excepting for one) of my dynasty leagues next year.

First off, I read your whole post, and don't necessarily disagree with some of your points. I had to pause after this sentence though, before getting to points you were about to make. I've never really understood the joining of multiple dynasty leagues. I wouldn't enjoy at all having several dynasty teams. rooting for and against the career success of the same players. Also, I'm guessing it's hard not to play similar player hunches (or draft targets) across several teams, rather than on a single team where impact of mistake or drafting a dud doesn't wreak so much havoc. And when chaos happens in one way or another in 6 different leagues, I can see how it feels symptomatic of a format- but a lot of those same things happen in redraft leagues. Anyway, it doesn't surprise my you didn't enjoy managing multiple dynasty teams. Hopefully you will look at it differently managing just one team.

True that it often does seem like you are rooting for and against the same person. I have had instances going into a Monday night game where I needed say Greg Jennings to have a big game for me to win in one league, but was going against a team with him in another. I also certain players that are found on a majority of my dynasty leagues because I felt really strongly about them and went out of my way to acquire them, like Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant and Zach Miller. But there is plenty of variance amongst my rosters, simply because you will have different trading partners, different draft orders, different scoring rules, etc. I personally love having multiple teams because I have team in different states. I have some that are league championship contenders. I have a couple that are middle of the pack and hopefully trending up. I have one team that I am trying to rebuild that is probably close to setting a league record for futility this year. All of the different situations make it interesting to me.

 

[FUBAR]

a. Tanking

a good commish would have rules in place for this

sure, the only question is where's the line between tanking, rebuilding, and running your own team? Is it tanking to trade away your 28+ year old studs for 23 year old players who you truly believe will be great next year or in the future? Is trading TO for a 1st round pick, tanking? Obviously submitting a lineup designed to lose is tanking, but the rest gets into the grey area. and I'm not sure you can define tanking in a player-player context. Is it tanking to start Matt Stafford over Peyton Manning last week? How about if someone starts two rookie WRs with a total of 4 and 5 catches over Roddy White and Andre Johnson? That would sure smell like tanking but are you going to completely disallow it?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

depends on the lockout situation for me.

I might drop some dynasties this year.

 

[AngryPatriot]

I tend to agree... many dynasties seem to become semi quiet wastelands, very little trading, hardly no chat, some really good teams, some really bad teams. The best dynasty I'm in is also the longest, a lot of trading, some consistent chatter etc But the one thing about it is everyone KNOWS someone in the league, most know a few guys. That's key. I can almost tell in a few short weeks wether a "New" league will be lame or not, sometimes even the "look" of a league can become old, superficial I know, but sometimes true. I may have to try a redraft again next year. The one year I was in like 10 leagues it sucked big time and my wife started to hate FF, lol. I think 3 is a good number.

Now some of the positives of dynasty... it's cool to build or rebuild a team over time and see some of those rookies, prospects, deep wwire picks become good players. Trades are a neat way to change up a team and the real value of a trade can take a long time to reveal itself. So there's a long term perspective and almost "pride" that can go along with a team that's lost in redraft.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

1. The luck factor. I actually think the luck factor is bigger in dynasty leagues. If NFL teams can't avoid busts in the draft, how can I do any better? For instance I reluctantly took Spiller this year around 5 or so. In another I took Hardesty. You just can't afford to have bust picks in 16 team IDP dynasty leagues. I've held M Bush until now... another apparent bust. Who had James Anderson locked up with a three year contract before last year? AJ Hawk is a bust based on draft ADP.

I play both kids of leagues and there's no way that this is true. Luck has less to do with success in dynasty than in redraft. Injuries and random emergence of previously obscure players, e.g. Foster and Hillis this year, radically skew the league results even if you had a solid draft that evaluated correctly the players you have. Injuries too do this. Depth in particular, which is the key to injury-proofing your roster, is easier to build in dynasty if you know what you're doing, and unlike in redraft you can "develop" players, that is by drafting them as rookies and waiting 2-3 years (sometimes more as is most often the case with QB's, e.g. Aaron Rodgers) before they emerge. I agree that people can tank to get higher draft picks, but what I've seen is that those teams perennially suck because owners who do this tend to not know how to draft anyway. The rookie draft and good evaluation of rookies is key. I'm in an IDP league that has a serpentine rookie draft, but that has a blind bidding process for FA's. You learn how to use these tools and adapt.The bottom line, however, is that in redraft any given player can bust, but if you correctly judge a player's talent and situation you can still get long term benefit out of that player as a reward for correct evaluation. That's not simply "luck", although certainly luck is certainly involved.

 

[GridironMenace]

Sounds like you have much more of a problem with the fact that your league has bad rules and bad owners. Get in a better dynasty league.

 

[Dave Larkin]

I only play in dynasty leagues because, quite frankly, they are more of a challenge and much more enjoyable. I really enjoy the rookie drafts and the rebuilding. True, I've never had a league that has folded. I wish the owners in one of my leagues were more active, but that's more than made up by the other leagues I am in which are much more interactive.

I understand why you are getting frustrated with your leagues if there really are as many problems as you say. My advice would be to look for startup dynasty leagues in around February/March time. A lot of owners are looking to start leagues around then, and hopefully you'll be able to find a group that is better for you.

And oh yeah, IDP is a must.

 

[fsufan]

3. Ownership issues:b. Depleting a roster for a run and quitting.

I have been running dynasty leagues for 13 year, seen this happen before. not sure what you can do as long as the owner in following the rules

it's like the real NFL. the worst teams plan for next year. that's the nice thing about dynasty. in fact, in my dynasty league, there is no trade penalty and no trade veto process. It is assumed that if you get the short end of a deal, you suffer the consequences next year. learn from it and improve your team management. If the NFL can allow a Ralph Wilson or a Dan Snyder to mismanage their teams, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same in our FF dynasty league.also in my dynasty we're a close bunch of friends. so the guy on the short end of the deal will hear it from the rest of us, especially those playing against the guy who got the better end of the deal. it's a nice level of accountability here.

i thought he meant an owner sells all of his young players and draft picks to make a run this year and quiets the league after the season is over

 

[fsufan]

a. Tanking

a good commish would have rules in place for this

sure, the only question is where's the line between tanking, rebuilding, and running your own team? Is it tanking to trade away your 28+ year old studs for 23 year old players who you truly believe will be great next year or in the future? Is trading TO for a 1st round pick, tanking? Obviously submitting a lineup designed to lose is tanking, but the rest gets into the grey area. and I'm not sure you can define tanking in a player-player context. Is it tanking to start Matt Stafford over Peyton Manning last week? How about if someone starts two rookie WRs with a total of 4 and 5 catches over Roddy White and Andre Johnson? That would sure smell like tanking but are you going to completely disallow it?

i agree there is a fine line with tanking in a dynasty league. I am talking about obvious tanking, starting a player who it our, etc

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I only play in dynasty leagues because, quite frankly, they are more of a challenge and much more enjoyable. I really enjoy the rookie drafts and the rebuilding. True, I've never had a league that has folded. I wish the owners in one of my leagues were more active, but that's more than made up by the other leagues I am in which are much more interactive. I understand why you are getting frustrated with your leagues if there really are as many problems as you say. My advice would be to look for startup dynasty leagues in around February/March time. A lot of owners are looking to start leagues around then, and hopefully you'll be able to find a group that is better for you. And oh yeah, IDP is a must.

And yeah, IDP adds a whole new dimension of challenges, in a good way.