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Dumping poor week 1 players for FAs - panic or worth the gamble (1 Viewer)

BigRed

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People aren't exactly about to cut Edwards or Colston, but when you get to more middle or "lesser" guys (esp if you have viable options meanwhile) who appear to be dicier starts anyway, is it still dumb to cut them outright for guys who were ranked lower but looking better, maybe lots better, so far ie best to cut bait while you can or weather the storm? For example (note the opinions given are not necessarily those of the poster and etc etc - just for general discussion). PS this is regarding this year, so not the same for dynasty/etc people:

QB

Bulger: just one week but man this team looks ugly. That OL is pathetic.

Anderson: the DAL secondary aint that good and he all but collapsed in the 2d half - yeah there were some drops/etc but still....Quinn-heads are probably shouting already.

T Jackson: what a surprise, he sucks. Had his moments but you can't make up enough for bad throws/decisions/reads with a nice run here and there.

Hass: has virtually no help on the O. Engram back in a few weeks but even then it looks like mostly those 2. yecch.

WR/TE

S Holmes: early signs say once again people under-valued Ward and with Sweed bound to get some looks, could be another "OK" year like 07 vs that big breakout

Holt: Team esp OL is horrible and nobody else to throw to so he's often blanketed, limiting chances

Welker, Watson: Brady out, O still has potential but lot of ? marks now and suddenly WR2 on NE doesn't look like a lock for serious production

Crumpler: wassup w/that?

RB

Drew and/or Taylor: speaking of ugly. And Jones getting in the mix...

R Brown and/or Wms: too much splits and generally weak O to bother? (The upshot if if one gets knocked out)

B Jackson: another surprise sucky player. Not.

Guys possibly avail who could be obtained instead:

QB

Rodgers: looked great last night and has weapons, solid OL

Cassell: iffy QB but with a heck of an O to play with

Pennington: can't exactly carry your team but at least as a backup might at least be "safe"

Edwards: after bad start, had a solid day vs (supposedly) good D - sure won't win you games but also might be decent/safe backup?

Quinn: only for bigger rosters probably.

WR/TE

DeS. Jackson: one of the hottest FA pickups this week for sure - can a rook WR keep it up? It's rare for them to be really good

Royal: similarly a hot pickup I bet, but where will he be when Marshall is back - still good enough as WR2 to dump guys like above?

Randy-El: sure got his looks on a team needing someone to step up besides Moss

Fasano: noodle-armed Pennington to Fasano makes a lot of sense ie could see a lot of short range/dump-offs

Scaife: wtf? Again can't say what's up w/Crumpler

RB

C Johnson: assuming he's even avail (maybe in smaller leagues) - no-brainer

Fargas:

Morris: will NE devolve into an RBBC?

Norwood: personally I wouldn't bother; it was only DET. But did well enough to be mentioned at least

Pittman: just kidding.

 
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It's probably stupid but to me dumping Hass doesn't sound so unreasonable. That looks almost Ram ugly there. 20/15 and 3200 aint cuttin it and it looks like that kinda year or worse. Could at least gamble on some upside. I think.

There are better options out there than Ginn, if you can get to them quickly enough that is, but could come on later in the year.

 
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Pickup NOW = BLUE

Drop NOW = RED

No worries = GREEN

Sell while you can = ORANGE

BigRed said:
People aren't exactly about to cut Edwards or Colston, but when you get to more middle or "lesser" guys (esp if you have viable options meanwhile) who appear to be dicier starts anyway, is it still dumb to cut them outright for guys who were ranked lower but looking better, maybe lots better, so far ie best to cut bait while you can or weather the storm? For example (note the opinions given are not necessarily those of the poster and etc etc - just for general discussion). PS this is regarding this year, so not the same for dynasty/etc people:

QB

Bulger: just one week but man this team looks ugly. That OL is pathetic.

Anderson: the DAL secondary aint that good and he all but collapsed in the 2d half - yeah there were some drops/etc but still....Quinn-heads are probably shouting already.

T Jackson: what a surprise, he sucks. Had his moments but you can't make up enough for bad throws/decisions/reads with a nice run here and there.

Hass: has virtually no help on the O. Engram back in a few weeks but even then it looks like mostly those 2. yecch.

WR/TE

S Holmes: early signs say once again people under-valued Ward and with Sweed bound to get some looks, could be another "OK" year like 07 vs that big breakout

Holt: Team esp OL is horrible and nobody else to throw to so he's often blanketed, limiting chances

Welker, Watson: Brady out, O still has potential but lot of ? marks now and suddenly WR2 on NE doesn't look like a lock for serious production

Crumpler: wassup w/that?

RB

Drew and/or Taylor: speaking of ugly. And Jones getting in the mix...

Guys possibly avail who could be obtained instead:

QB

Rodgers: looked great last night and has weapons, solid OL

Cassell: iffy QB but with a heck of an O to play with

Pennington: can't exactly carry your team but at least as a backup might at least be "safe"

Edwards: after bad start, had a solid day vs (supposedly) good D - sure won't win you games but also might be decent/safe backup?

Quinn: only for bigger rosters probably.

WR/TE

DeS. Jackson: one of the hottest FA pickups this week for sure - can a rook WR keep it up? It's rare for them to be really good

Royal: similarly a hot pickup I bet, but where will he be when Marshall is back - still good enough as WR2 to dump guys like above?

Randy-El: sure got his looks on a team needing someone to step up besides Moss

Fasano: noodle-armed Pennington to Fasano makes a lot of sense ie could see a lot of short range/dump-offs

Scaife: wtf? Again can't say what's up w/Crumpler

RB

C Johnson: assuming he's even avail (maybe in smaller leagues) - no-brainer

Fargas:

Morris: will NE devolve into an RBBC?

Norwood: personally I wouldn't bother; it was only DET. But did well enough to be mentioned at least

Pittman: just kidding.
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I've made two moves so far - dropped Lienert for Matt Ryan and dropped Berrian for Eddie Royal.

Lienert drop for Ryan is for depth (have Cutler and Garrard also).

Berrian drop for Royal is a little more questionable, but talked myself into it after last night. Berrian has no QB throwing to him and they are a run-first team. Royal showed last night he has the makings of a great WR, and even with Marshall back next week he should see plenty of balls his way.

Mud

 
I'd say no way you should drop Holmes, Holt, Welker, or MJD at this point. Absolutely ridiculous to even consider IMO.

I suppose you could make a case for dropping Anderson, Hasselbeck, Taylor, Brown, and/or Williams, but I would still strongly advise against it.

As for the others, I'd have no problem cutting bait.

 
Looking to drop Selvin Young for Eddie Royal. Young looks to be a between the 20s RBBC victim, even though he looked good running out the 4th Q. I got a sense that young Mr. Royal might be a pretty decent player in this league. I had bumped him in my rankings before my drafts but not high enough.

Dropping VY for Cassel if I get the claim. Still a backup for my squad, but much more upside with Cassell in that offense than VY offers.

 
I don't think you can make a strong case for dropping Holmes or Drew or esp Anderson at this point, although they better have another WR emerge or they could be in real trouble, and he needs to settle down. The others are iffier.......

 
Looking to drop Hagan and try for Matt Jones or Antonio Bryant. Problem with Jones will be what happens once Porter/Williams get back into the mix?

I'm actually thinking about cutting Ricky Williams loose (only advisable for those with depth at RB). I really thought he'd do better and Ronnie's ACL would take longer to heal. One obviously doesn't cut such a player unless a viable option is available, and in my case I'm thinking of Pierre Thomas, but what happens when Stecker gets back?

Was high on Schaub, now I'm wondering if he can survive the next three games before the schedule becomes more friendly.

 
I'm not sure how your leagues score QB, but T.Jackson was the 10th highest scoring QB in my leagues (and we have fairly standard scoring - 6pts/TD, 1pt/25pyds, 1pt/10ryds). I'm actually picking him up as my 2nd QB.

 
In a very shallow league (start 2 RB/WR and 1 of the usual QB/K/DT/TE, no flex, exactly 1 reserve per position allowed on a team's roster) I'm dumping Ginn.

I dumped Leonard Little in a IDP dynasty league - he's dinged and isn't young.

 
I picked up Drew Brees in two leagues last year because people dumped him after his terrible start. He was big part of me winning championships.

Don't throw your projections out the window after one week. For instance, I liked Ginn Jr. a lot as a WR4 with some upside this year. Now, I'd drop him to make room for Chris Johnson in a second, but in all of my leagues there's nothing on the WW that makes me feel like giving up on him that fast. Your mileage may vary.

 
Talk about reaction to one game. A guy in one of my leagues dumped Minnesota and picked up Chicago this morning.

 
tomarken said:
the rover said:
I don't know if it's dumb, but I can't dump Ted Ginn Jr. fast enough.
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I don't know why, but this had me :unsure: :lmao: :lmao: Probably because I feel the same exact way.
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ditto, but will probably hold him another week.On another note, one owner im my league dumped J.Jones during the end of the 4th Qtr. Probably kicking himself with MM injury announcement.For me, JTO experiment officially over. I'm dropping him for my Cassel experiment. We'll see how that plays out.
 
amnesiac said:
i'd like to add Campbell to the drop list. dude just didn't look good to me out there.
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Depends on the other options out there. Campbell has some decent receivers around him and the personnel to make a run-heavy WCO serviceable, if not decent. Team just needs more time to gel, apparently.I wouldn't wait half the season for this to happen, mind you, but I think cutting Campbell go after one performance in favor of some of the wiaver fodder out there, say, Pennington or Kerry Collins, is a little premature if Campbell's your QB2.
 
FFdork said:
I picked up Drew Brees in two leagues last year because people dumped him after his terrible start. He was big part of me winning championships.Don't throw your projections out the window after one week. For instance, I liked Ginn Jr. a lot as a WR4 with some upside this year. Now, I'd drop him to make room for Chris Johnson in a second, but in all of my leagues there's nothing on the WW that makes me feel like giving up on him that fast. Your mileage may vary.
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Very :lmao: Guys get way too excited or panicked after a week. If you have a disposable player to dump, then go for it, but otherwise I think it's a bad idea for the most part. Most of the guys who have true value aren't on the WW unless you are in a small league. Unfortunately, I can't even get rid of a marginal player for one of the first week stars because I'm scrambling to get another QB in the 4 leagues that I have VY. Santana Moss: I did not want this guy, but he continued to fall...3 rounds past when DD was recommending him. I know Washington looks like a mess right now, but I think they will come around. It's a new offense and they may just need more time to gel. The one thing that encourages me about Moss is that he's going to be targeted for higher percentage throws.If you are in a PPR, I think the new offense will benefit Moss. In the past his only appeal was the few games a year that he blew up with long TD's. I would actually consider targeting him while you can get him for nothing.
 
Someone dropped Isaac Bruce in my league and he is owned in only 50% of yahoo leagues. SF's next three games are vs Sea, Det, NO and they also have a playoff schedule of NYJ, Mia, StL in wks 15-17; he could be a great option once he learns the offense.

 
marcus allen said:
Someone dropped Isaac Bruce in my league and he is owned in only 50% of yahoo leagues. SF's next three games are vs Sea, Det, NO and they also have a playoff schedule of NYJ, Mia, StL in wks 15-17; he could be a great option once he learns the offense.
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No offense, but I would think Ike already knows the offense, given his years of experience with Martz.Also, can we add Todd Heap to this discussion? I'm about fed up with him already.
 
It's true people tend to over panic the first week.

Reminds me of one of my first years doing fantasy football back in 1996. I had just lost in week 1 due to my WR's. One of them was Terry Glenn who didn't play because of a sore hamstring. Somebody asked Bill Parcels how he was coming along and he reply was "She's coming along nicely". I thought there's now way Parcells is going to play him if he's calling him a "she" so I dropped him after week 1. I don't even remember who I picked up instead but here's Glenn's numbers his rookie year:

15 games, 90 receptions, 1132 yards, and 6 touchdowns.

Since then I've learned to wait at least a few weeks on guys like Holmes, Ginn, etc.

Note: Is this an Ohio State receiver thing?

 
Dont give up on D Anderson just yet. Neither he, nor Edwards played much in the preseason. They are rusty and out of shape. That will improve quickly. And they have a good Oline.

Further, Dallas does have a good secondary, much better than most people think. They have learned to scheme Roy Williams out of the picture (by placing him on the bench a lot).

Bottom line is that Anderson will be solid this year. But give him a couple of weeks or so first. Then he should hit a nice groove.

 
Well, I think it depends. My waiver priority is 12 out of 12 but I am trying the following moves and these are my justifications.

Dump Vince Young for Matt Cassell (Vince is done)

Dump Selvin Young for Steve Slaton (Selvin is in a 4 headed monster)

Dump Ted Ginn for Eddie Royal (better QB for Eddie, more upside)

Dump Ricky Williams for Tim Hightower (going to lose carries more and more to Ronnie)

 
BigRed said:
WR/TE

S Holmes: early signs say once again people under-valued Ward and with Sweed bound to get some looks, could be another "OK" year like 07 vs that big breakout
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This would be unwise, if you ask me. Holmes is the deep threat, Ward is the posession guy. It's always been that way. Ward will get more targets, especially in a game when the Steelers jump out to a big lead early. But looking at the Steelers schedule, they will need Holmes to contribute in a big way and I don't think he'll disappoint.And Sweed didn't even dress on Sunday, so I'm not sure he'll be much of a factor this year.

 
Stompin said:
amnesiac said:
i'd like to add Campbell to the drop list. dude just didn't look good to me out there.
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Depends on the other options out there. Campbell has some decent receivers around him and the personnel to make a run-heavy WCO serviceable, if not decent. Team just needs more time to gel, apparently.I wouldn't wait half the season for this to happen, mind you, but I think cutting Campbell go after one performance in favor of some of the wiaver fodder out there, say, Pennington or Kerry Collins, is a little premature if Campbell's your QB2.
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i ended up getting Trent Edwards. i've actually got a committee at QB, so it's not a big deal, i was just shocked at how out of sync Campbell seemed to be with his recievers. maybe he'll get it figured out. i'm certainly no expert at QBs.
 
the rover said:
I may pick Ginn up again just to relive how good it felt to drop him.
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Dropped Ginn, as well. Just don't see the need to carry him as a WR4 on that team with that QB. What can I hope for, to play 800 Yd 5 TD guy as a BYE week replacement at some point? Who cares about him
 
purestrength said:
marcus allen said:
Someone dropped Isaac Bruce in my league and he is owned in only 50% of yahoo leagues. SF's next three games are vs Sea, Det, NO and they also have a playoff schedule of NYJ, Mia, StL in wks 15-17; he could be a great option once he learns the offense.
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No offense, but I would think Ike already knows the offense, given his years of experience with Martz.Also, can we add Todd Heap to this discussion? I'm about fed up with him already.
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Had him last year and should have known better, but he just kept dropping so I finally pulled the trigger on him. Needless to say, we know how that worked this past Sunday. Welcome Rosario.
 
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