Dynasty - 2011 Rookie Top 10 (non-ppr) (1 Viewer)

[joey]

I could've sworn someone started a thread on this a few months back but searching for 'rookie rank' turned up empty, so...

With Ryan Williams going down yesterday, everyone moves up a notch.

To me, the top 4 are still: Ingram, Green, Jones and Thomas (their specific order is based on team need IMO)

Ryan Williams usually slotted in here around 4th or 5th.

Is Greg Little now the default 5?

Not sold on any of the QBs as top 10.

I wonder if RB-hungry dynasty teams bump Delone Carter up to 5 just cuz of the scarcity of solid rookie RBs.

Looks like Cobb gets in the top 10 discussion easily and, if Vereen does go on IR, I think some owners will push Ridley into a top 10 rookie pick cuz of his pre-season stats.

Looking for thoughts, lists, rankings, whatever...even links to the other thread that I couldn't find with the search function

(adding the word 'dynasty' to the subject to see if that drums up any more responses)

 

[Wingdawg]

I am trying to adjust these rankings also with the 2nd top 10 RB going down for the year. Right now I am very torn between D. Thomas and Little at 1.4.

 

[BallparkFrank]

If you simply remove Leshoure, Williams and Baldwin from the MFL rookie ADP's, it looks something like this. Hopefully some guys emerge, because that gets pretty ugly early.

1. Ingram

2. Jones

3. Thomas

4. Green

5. Little

6. Helu

7. Carter

8. Gabbert

9. Hunter

10. Vereen

11. Hankerson

12. Locker

13. Cobb

14. Newton

15. Kaepernick

16. Ponder

17. Murray

18. T Smith

19. V Brown

20. A Green

21. T. Young

22. Salas

23. Dalton

24. J Rodgers

25. Powell

 

[joey]

Bump for the Saturday night party people...

 

[loose circuits]

Denarius Moore is certainly making a case for himself

 

[Boone22]

If you simply remove Leshoure, Williams and Baldwin from the MFL rookie ADP's, it looks something like this. Hopefully some guys emerge, because that gets pretty ugly early.1. Ingram2. Jones3. Thomas4. Green5. Little6. Helu7. Carter8. Gabbert9. Hunter10. Vereen11. Hankerson12. Locker13. Cobb14. Newton15. Kaepernick16. Ponder17. Murray18. T Smith19. V Brown20. A Green21. T. Young22. Salas23. Dalton24. J Rodgers25. Powell

You can make a few additions now... Denarius Moore (as previously stated) and Stevan Ridley has to be on this list

 

[KarmaPolice]

Vereen could be taken off or moved down a bit. Looks like with his injuries he is in jeopardy of being cut.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Have any of the rookie Qbs started to stand out in the preseason. Haven't been able to watch any games and have the 13th pick that I was thinking about using on QB depth but don't know which of them to target.

 

[smashingsilver]

Have any of the rookie Qbs started to stand out in the preseason. Haven't been able to watch any games and have the 13th pick that I was thinking about using on QB depth but don't know which of them to target.

No, they all look raw and slightly overwhelmed. Not that their performances have been horrible, but none of them have set themselves apart either. I think this was to be expected this year, with so little time to learn their respective offenses. I don't see that anything has really changed from their post-draft rankings.

 

[Acrobat7]

 

[Ariakis]

Harper has to be in the mix if CJ2K's holdout continues. A sleeper is Shorts who may start for Jax and is looking solid. I don't know that you can remove the injured guys completely if we're talking dynasty I'd still consider Leshore, Williams, etc in the late 1st or early 2nd.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Here is my top 13 in tiers. Big drop after 3. I probably have Ridley higher than most. He has looked pretty spectacular though, and I dont think the guys in front of him are too tough to pass.

1. Ingram - Easy one

2. Jones - Camp reports are stellar, great situation

3. Green - Physical freak

4. Little - Big dropoff here. Possibble knucklehead, but undeniable skills

5. Thomas - I am a Fins fan, and this guy really does not excite me. Rudi Johnson looks like the ceiling, and even that is probably unlikely.

6. Carter - Havent heard much since he was drafted, but the pre-pre-season hype was good, and Addai/Brown do not represent too high of a mountain to climb over.

7. Ridley - Huge jump in the past 2 weeks with Vereen's value plummeting, and Ridley tearing up the field.

8. Cobb - Lots of guys to compete with for footballs, but people I respect are very high on his skills.

9. Newton - Has a chance to be an elite QB

10. D.Moore - Huge hype coming out of camp so far. Nobody seems to be able to cover him.

11. Vereen - Had him at 7 a few weeks ago. His absence, rumors of IR, and Ridley's performance have him sliding fast.

12. Helu - Tim Hightower is the guy he has to beat out?

13. Hunter - Gore is on the downside, and Dixon looks like a fullback. Opportunity is there. Positive reports out of camp.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

I don't know that you can remove the injured guys completely if we're talking dynasty I'd still consider Leshore, Williams, etc in the late 1st or early 2nd.

No way. I'd rank them both after A Green, Powell, Rodgers, etc..

 

[Stoli]

Vereen could be taken off or moved down a bit. Looks like with his injuries he is in jeopardy of being cut.

It looks like they might IR Vereen, should still be worth a shot late in Dynasty leagues. Should bump Ridley a bit.

 

[eakfootball]

1 Ingram

2 Green

3 Jones

4 Little

5 Thomas

6 Vereen

7 D. Carter

8 Cobb

9 Powell

10 Ridley

11 Hunter

12 Newton

13 Murray

14 J Rodgers

15 D Moore

16 Gabbert

17 Kendricks

18 Baldwin

19 T Smith

20 Kaepernick

21 Locker

22 J Thomas

23 R Williams

24 A Green

25 Salas

26 LeShoure

27 T Young

28 V Brown

29 T Jones

30 J Cameron

31 Helu

32 Rudolph

33 E Gates

34 Ponder

35 D Lewis

36 Dalton

37 J Harper

38 Pettis

39 Jernigan

40 Doss

 

[3 hour lunch]

1 Ingram2 Green3 Jones4 Little5 Thomas6 Vereen7 D. Carter8 Cobb9 Powell10 Ridley11 Hunter12 Newton13 Murray14 J Rodgers15 D Moore16 Gabbert17 Kendricks18 Baldwin19 T Smith20 Kaepernick21 Locker22 J Thomas23 R Williams24 A Green25 Salas26 LeShoure27 T Young28 V Brown29 T Jones30 J Cameron31 Helu32 Rudolph33 E Gates34 Ponder35 D Lewis36 Dalton37 J Harper38 Pettis39 Jernigan40 Doss

I know some people aren't high on Helu, but #31?

 

[NBusiness]

So should I drop Ryan Williams. This sucks dude woulda been sick .

 

[eakfootball]

So should I drop Ryan Williams. This sucks dude woulda been sick .

I wouldn't drop him yet.

 

[eakfootball]

1 Ingram2 Green3 Jones4 Little5 Thomas6 Vereen7 D. Carter8 Cobb9 Powell10 Ridley11 Hunter12 Newton13 Murray14 J Rodgers15 D Moore16 Gabbert17 Kendricks18 Baldwin19 T Smith20 Kaepernick21 Locker22 J Thomas23 R Williams24 A Green25 Salas26 LeShoure27 T Young28 V Brown29 T Jones30 J Cameron31 Helu32 Rudolph33 E Gates34 Ponder35 D Lewis36 Dalton37 J Harper38 Pettis39 Jernigan40 Doss

I know some people aren't high on Helu, but #31?

Well I think guys like Alex Green, and Taiwan Jones are better players, and talent wins out in dynasty. Right now Washington is a dump and I don't want anything to do with it. I would rather have a player deep down in a situation like Green Bay, where if he did get a chance, he would probably flourish. Sure Helu might be one of the higher scoring rookies this year, but I personally think he is the 4th best runner on the team behind Hightower, Torain, and Keiland Williams. Bad player+bad team is not a good combination. Ryan Williams and Mikel LeShoure are 20x more talented, and still have a small chance that in a couple years they could come back at full speed.

 

[dickey moe]

1 Ingram2 Green3 Jones4 Little5 Thomas6 Vereen7 D. Carter8 Cobb9 Powell10 Ridley11 Hunter12 Newton13 Murray14 J Rodgers15 D Moore16 Gabbert17 Kendricks18 Baldwin19 T Smith20 Kaepernick21 Locker22 J Thomas23 R Williams24 A Green25 Salas26 LeShoure27 T Young28 V Brown29 T Jones30 J Cameron31 Helu32 Rudolph33 E Gates34 Ponder35 D Lewis36 Dalton37 J Harper38 Pettis39 Jernigan40 Doss

Not a believer in Hankerson?

 

[clwn_posse]

We also need a thread for recent rookie drafts

I probably have R.Williams and Leshoure too high but hard to figure out how far to drop them.

1 Ingram

2 Green

3 Jones

4 Thomas

5 Little

6 Ryan Williams

7 Helu

8 D. Carter

9 Kendricks

10 Leshoure

11 Denarious Moore

12 Hunter

13 Murray

14 J Rodgers

15 Gabbert

16 B. Powell

17 Cam Newton

18 Ridley

19 Vereen

20 Cobb

21 Torrey Smith

22 Dalton

23 Ponder

24 A Green

25 Rudolph

26 Hankerson

27 T Young

28 V Brown

29 T Jones

30 J Harper

31 Jernigan

32 C Shorts

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

 

[3 hour lunch]

And what's the deal with Titus Young anyway? He hasn't practiced since the first day of camp...I was excited to get the guy but with short rosters but have to cut bait.

 

[NBusiness]

what about greg salas if he can emerge from the 45 wideouts they have, he seems to have good size/talent combo

 

[Dez]

Pick 6 is the stinkhole. I was so excited last week when I traded up to pick 6 and now I dealt it away for a future 1st because you could really make a case for anyone after those clear cut top 5.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

Sorry, meant to get to this yesterday. I haven't really worked it out (my revised top-20) since all of my drafts are over, but guys like Kendall Hunter jump out. It's surprising to have seen Carter slip to the 2nd and 3rd rounds in several dynasty rookie drafts earlier, and now he's suddenly being considered a top-10 guy, considering he really hasn't done anything. In fact I would argue his value has slipped for that very reason. It's been too quiet for Carter, and there are/were murmers that an undrafted guy was creeping up on him.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

Sorry, meant to get to this yesterday. I haven't really worked it out (my revised top-20) since all of my drafts are over, but guys like Kendall Hunter jump out. It's surprising to have seen Carter slip to the 2nd and 3rd rounds in several dynasty rookie drafts earlier, and now he's suddenly being considered a top-10 guy, considering he really hasn't done anything. In fact I would argue his value has slipped for that very reason. It's been too quiet for Carter, and there are/were murmers that an undrafted guy was creeping up on him.

From Rotoworld today - not exactly a ringing endorsement of Carter's performance so far, but according to the beat writer he would be second in line for carries behind Addai in a potent offense...Beat writer Phillip Wilson confirms that Delone Carter is ahead of Donald Brown and Darren Evans for the Colts' backup job.

Carter, the Colts' fourth-round pick this year, hasn't blown anyone's socks off. But he's been solid enough to establish himself behind Joseph Addai, leaving Brown and Evans in the same group as Javarris James and Chad Spann. Carter figures to hold down the majority of early-down work if Addai were to go down.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

Sorry, meant to get to this yesterday. I haven't really worked it out (my revised top-20) since all of my drafts are over, but guys like Kendall Hunter jump out. It's surprising to have seen Carter slip to the 2nd and 3rd rounds in several dynasty rookie drafts earlier, and now he's suddenly being considered a top-10 guy, considering he really hasn't done anything. In fact I would argue his value has slipped for that very reason. It's been too quiet for Carter, and there are/were murmers that an undrafted guy was creeping up on him.

From Rotoworld today - not exactly a ringing endorsement of Carter's performance so far, but according to the beat writer he would be second in line for carries behind Addai in a potent offense...Beat writer Phillip Wilson confirms that Delone Carter is ahead of Donald Brown and Darren Evans for the Colts' backup job.

Carter, the Colts' fourth-round pick this year, hasn't blown anyone's socks off. But he's been solid enough to establish himself behind Joseph Addai, leaving Brown and Evans in the same group as Javarris James and Chad Spann. Carter figures to hold down the majority of early-down work if Addai were to go down.

Certainly helps!

 

[abohnhoff]

We have a dynasty league (auction) and this year added an IR spot. Would it behoove me to draft Williams or Leshoure for a dollar or 2 and stash them there for the year? Our salaries go up 20% a year for a max of 3 years. So for a dollar could have either of them for $4 in 3 years.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

We have a dynasty league (auction) and this year added an IR spot. Would it behoove me to draft Williams or Leshoure for a dollar or 2 and stash them there for the year? Our salaries go up 20% a year for a max of 3 years. So for a dollar could have either of them for $4 in 3 years.

It depends on the requirements of the IR slot, but either way, I wouldn't. First, Williams may or may not fully recover-- then he has to unseat whomever is in front of him (Beanie for now). You're looking at a 1-2 year investment.When you consider you're bound to lose a few veteran, established players from your roster as the season progresses, I'd say save the IR spot.

 

[Buckna]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

Sorry, meant to get to this yesterday. I haven't really worked it out (my revised top-20) since all of my drafts are over, but guys like Kendall Hunter jump out. It's surprising to have seen Carter slip to the 2nd and 3rd rounds in several dynasty rookie drafts earlier, and now he's suddenly being considered a top-10 guy, considering he really hasn't done anything. In fact I would argue his value has slipped for that very reason. It's been too quiet for Carter, and there are/were murmers that an undrafted guy was creeping up on him.

From Rotoworld today - not exactly a ringing endorsement of Carter's performance so far, but according to the beat writer he would be second in line for carries behind Addai in a potent offense...Beat writer Phillip Wilson confirms that Delone Carter is ahead of Donald Brown and Darren Evans for the Colts' backup job.

Carter, the Colts' fourth-round pick this year, hasn't blown anyone's socks off. But he's been solid enough to establish himself behind Joseph Addai, leaving Brown and Evans in the same group as Javarris James and Chad Spann. Carter figures to hold down the majority of early-down work if Addai were to go down.

Wish I knew what he was basing this on. Carter didn't see action in the last game until the late 3rd quarter after Addai, Brown & James had already played.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

Sorry, meant to get to this yesterday. I haven't really worked it out (my revised top-20) since all of my drafts are over, but guys like Kendall Hunter jump out. It's surprising to have seen Carter slip to the 2nd and 3rd rounds in several dynasty rookie drafts earlier, and now he's suddenly being considered a top-10 guy, considering he really hasn't done anything. In fact I would argue his value has slipped for that very reason. It's been too quiet for Carter, and there are/were murmers that an undrafted guy was creeping up on him.

From Rotoworld today - not exactly a ringing endorsement of Carter's performance so far, but according to the beat writer he would be second in line for carries behind Addai in a potent offense...Beat writer Phillip Wilson confirms that Delone Carter is ahead of Donald Brown and Darren Evans for the Colts' backup job.

Carter, the Colts' fourth-round pick this year, hasn't blown anyone's socks off. But he's been solid enough to establish himself behind Joseph Addai, leaving Brown and Evans in the same group as Javarris James and Chad Spann. Carter figures to hold down the majority of early-down work if Addai were to go down.

Wish I knew what he was basing this on. Carter didn't see action in the last game until the late 3rd quarter after Addai, Brown & James had already played.

Well, he's probably basing it on a 3.8 YPC average by Brown during ample opportunity...

 

[Buckna]

Found the original quote:

I almost forgot. Although I didn't watch the last half of the third quarter and the entire fourth, it would be unfair to ignore one other positive. Wrote it after the game and don't need to see it again to be reminded: Delone Carter is the type of power runner the Colts need. As far as I'm concerned, the RBs are Addai and Carter. Then you have to choose between Donald Brown, Javarris James, Darren Evans or Chad Spann.

Take from that what you will, but it seems Rotoworld's blurb is inaccurate to misleading at best.

 

[Buckna]

Why is D. Carter getting so much love? Just curious... He has looked "ok", but I wouldn't put him ahead of many other players listed based on what I've seen/read, which isn't much.

For me it is just a matter of there not being much else that I would put ahead of him, more than him being a truly valuable pick in the mid first. Leshore, Williams, and Vereen's decline down the boards are the reason I have Carter in the mid-first. Who would you have ahead of him?

Sorry, meant to get to this yesterday. I haven't really worked it out (my revised top-20) since all of my drafts are over, but guys like Kendall Hunter jump out. It's surprising to have seen Carter slip to the 2nd and 3rd rounds in several dynasty rookie drafts earlier, and now he's suddenly being considered a top-10 guy, considering he really hasn't done anything. In fact I would argue his value has slipped for that very reason. It's been too quiet for Carter, and there are/were murmers that an undrafted guy was creeping up on him.

From Rotoworld today - not exactly a ringing endorsement of Carter's performance so far, but according to the beat writer he would be second in line for carries behind Addai in a potent offense...Beat writer Phillip Wilson confirms that Delone Carter is ahead of Donald Brown and Darren Evans for the Colts' backup job.

Carter, the Colts' fourth-round pick this year, hasn't blown anyone's socks off. But he's been solid enough to establish himself behind Joseph Addai, leaving Brown and Evans in the same group as Javarris James and Chad Spann. Carter figures to hold down the majority of early-down work if Addai were to go down.

Wish I knew what he was basing this on. Carter didn't see action in the last game until the late 3rd quarter after Addai, Brown & James had already played.

Well, he's probably basing it on a 3.8 YPC average by Brown during ample opportunity...

Not defending Brown, he's been a disappointment no doubt. Just hoping to find some real insight into the Colts RB's. None of the RB's in Indy have been all that worthwhile the last few years (bottom of the league in rushing yards and average the last 3 years), but if Peyton is going to miss time or not be 100% there might be some value here for the first time if they have to lean on the running game more than they used to.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Sorting through this QB class is a nightmare! Nice to see Dalton have some success, though.

 

[eakfootball]

1 Ingram2 Green3 Jones4 Little5 Thomas6 Vereen7 D. Carter8 Cobb9 Powell10 Ridley11 Hunter12 Newton13 Murray14 J Rodgers15 D Moore16 Gabbert17 Kendricks18 Baldwin19 T Smith20 Kaepernick21 Locker22 J Thomas23 R Williams24 A Green25 Salas26 LeShoure27 T Young28 V Brown29 T Jones30 J Cameron31 Helu32 Rudolph33 E Gates34 Ponder35 D Lewis36 Dalton37 J Harper38 Pettis39 Jernigan40 Doss

Not a believer in Hankerson?

Whoops, I probably would put him somewhere around Salas.

 

[BallparkFrank]

It's nice to cross check rookie rankings from outside sources as well as we're all probably guilty of the dreaded sheep mentality. Here's a recently updated list on Walter Football fwiw:

1. Ingram

2. Julio

3. Green

4. Ridley

5. D. Carter

6. D. Moore

7. Hunter

8. Little

9. Kendricks

10. Helu

11. Rudolph

12. D. Thomas

13. Cobb

14. Vereen

15. D. Murray

I think this outside the box list might be closer to my personal beliefs than a lot FBG rankings actually.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I still don't get why Carter is higher than Hunter. I'd put Hunter at #4 right now. Guy is going to be a special player when Gore gets hurt/walks away next year.

Love Kendricks at #9, too!

I'd also sneak Alex Green in there at the end.

 

[BigTex]

It's nice to cross check rookie rankings from outside sources as well as we're all probably guilty of the dreaded sheep mentality. Here's a recently updated list on Walter Football fwiw:

1. Ingram

2. Julio

3. Green

4. Ridley

5. D. Carter

6. D. Moore

7. Hunter

8. Little

9. Kendricks

10. Helu

11. Rudolph

12. D. Thomas

13. Cobb

14. Vereen

15. D. Murray

I think this outside the box list might be closer to my personal beliefs than a lot FBG rankings actually.

Agree 100%, much closer to my personal dynasty ranking as well.

 

[Dez]

I think once you get past the top 3 picks the order of players will be very different from person to person.

The 4-5 seem to be Little/Thomas but man Thomas has looked awful, just awful.

From 6 and on it really is a crapshoot.

My rankings from 6 and on are really different then the rest of you guys.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

You guys like Ridley at 4 overall? Very unclear situation in New England. I could not take that big of a leap if I had the 4th pick.

 

[Dez]

You guys like Ridley at 4 overall? Very unclear situation in New England. I could not take that big of a leap if I had the 4th pick.

Agree 100% too many RB's there. It wasn't long ago Vereen was being picked in the top 10 and Ridley was a 3rd round pick.Everyone see what is happening in preseason and goes mostly off that.Just think D-Moore of Oakland was a 4th/5th round pick or undrafted in May now he is a top 10 pick

 

[Mr. Peterson]

You guys like Ridley at 4 overall? Very unclear situation in New England. I could not take that big of a leap if I had the 4th pick.

Agree 100% too many RB's there. It wasn't long ago Vereen was being picked in the top 10 and Ridley was a 3rd round pick.Everyone see what is happening in preseason and goes mostly off that.Just think D-Moore of Oakland was a 4th/5th round pick or undrafted in May now he is a top 10 pick

I remember when Colston went undrafted in my Zealots league and I didn't have enough Zbucks to get him before the seaon started.

 

[EBF]

My top four hasn't really changed. I'd still rank them Ingram, Green, Jones, and Baldwin. I might takes Jones ahead of Green now though.

Beyond that, I would move RWilliams and Leshoure down a little bit. I was never super high on either of them, and their injuries have set them back a while.

The early risers for me are Ridley, Quizz, Mallett, Moore, and maybe Little and Hunter, but I wouldn't do something crazy and take them top 4 or anything. I think it's nice when a player gets good buzz out of the gate, but it doesn't necessarily mean much in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Danelle Thomas just went 2 in our rookie dynasty. He's Tony Hunt II. Miami downgraded from both Ricky and Ronnie with him.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

My top four hasn't really changed. I'd still rank them Ingram, Green, Jones, and Baldwin. I might takes Jones ahead of Green now though. Beyond that, I would move RWilliams and Leshoure down a little bit. I was never super high on either of them, and their injuries have set them back a while. The early risers for me are Ridley, Quizz, Mallett, Moore, and maybe Little and Hunter, but I wouldn't do something crazy and take them top 4 or anything. I think it's nice when a player gets good buzz out of the gate, but it doesn't necessarily mean much in the grand scheme of things.

As has been stated several time, it really gets sketchy after 3. I respect your (EBF) posts above most on these boards, so I will rethink my position, but I took Baldwin off my draft list completely. Cant beat the jam, and off the charts knucklehead factor. He went late 2nd round in my rookie draft yesterday. I have Little at 4. Mad talent, and a clear path to the field. After that I like Moore, Carter, Cobb, Vereen, Ridley, Hunter. Then Kendricks, D.Thomas, the QBs, Julius Thomas.

 

[SSOG]

As has been stated several time, it really gets sketchy after 3. I respect your (EBF) posts above most on these boards, so I will rethink my position, but I took Baldwin off my draft list completely. Cant beat the jam, and off the charts knucklehead factor. He went late 2nd round in my rookie draft yesterday. I have Little at 4. Mad talent, and a clear path to the field. After that I like Moore, Carter, Cobb, Vereen, Ridley, Hunter. Then Kendricks, D.Thomas, the QBs, Julius Thomas.

I like those rankings a lot. I might quibble a little bit here or there, but replace Ridley with Powell, add 'Quizz in around Thomas, and your rankings look essentially identical to my own.

 

[NDyse10]

I also find myself at the 4th pick. Daniel Thomas has looked so awful this preseason its hard not to overlook that. I try my best to put no stock into preseason, but man he has looked bad.

Anybody else moving from Thomas as the consensus 4 to Little?

Little has no competition in front of him and I happen to think McCoy is better than most people say.

 

[SSOG]

I also find myself at the 4th pick. Daniel Thomas has looked so awful this preseason its hard not to overlook that. I try my best to put no stock into preseason, but man he has looked bad.Anybody else moving from Thomas as the consensus 4 to Little?Little has no competition in front of him and I happen to think McCoy is better than most people say.

Is Thomas the consensus #4? I thought Little has been the consensus #4 for a while now. Of course, I rarely leave the FBGs echo chamber, so it's possible on remote parts of the internet that they still advocate taking Thomas at the 4-spot.The FBGs staff consensus has Little very firmly ensconced at #4. Of the 8 individual rankers, only Haseley has Thomas in the top 4.