[DYNASTY] 2012 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

Speaking of TEs, lets get some discussion on the Allen, Charles, and Fleener. Seems like Allen is largely viewed as the #1 guy in the draft and best all-around TE. But I'm seeing people bumping Charles. Who do we like in the SP? I was watching some film and I'm most impressed with Fleener as a reliever with Charles next and I agree that Allen seems like a better blocker making his all-around game better. How much are you all going to value the combine measurables for these guys?

I'm taking Allen without any hesitation!

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Speaking of TEs, lets get some discussion on the Allen, Charles, and Fleener. Seems like Allen is largely viewed as the #1 guy in the draft and best all-around TE. But I'm seeing people bumping Charles. Who do we like in the SP? I was watching some film and I'm most impressed with Fleener as a reliever with Charles next and I agree that Allen seems like a better blocker making his all-around game better. How much are you all going to value the combine measurables for these guys?

I'm taking Allen without any hesitation!

I would love to here more of your scouting report on him and the others. Afterall most of my film study comes from your YouTube clips.

 

[Two Deep]

Why 24 why not 25. I'll make AJ Jenkins 25

 

[Donnybrook]

As a Georgia Tech fan, I'd advise you to take Hill out of your top 24. While he has the physical traits you'd be looking for, he has some of the worst hands I have ever witnessed.

The advisory board gave him the third ranking (i.e. will be drafted, but not in the first 3 rounds).

Serious doubts he ever does anything in the NFL.

Interesting take. Hill has just found his way in to the first round of Buntings mock draft. http://www.nationalf...ft-30-8948.html

Got to hand it to Bunting. He predicted that Hill would blow up the combine. His mock looks spot on now.

 

[BigTex]

Speaking of TEs, lets get some discussion on the Allen, Charles, and Fleener. Seems like Allen is largely viewed as the #1 guy in the draft and best all-around TE. But I'm seeing people bumping Charles. Who do we like in the SP? I was watching some film and I'm most impressed with Fleener as a reliever with Charles next and I agree that Allen seems like a better blocker making his all-around game better. How much are you all going to value the combine measurables for these guys?

I'm taking Allen without any hesitation!

I would love to here more of your scouting report on him and the others. Afterall most of my film study comes from your YouTube clips.

Thanks , if people are looking at the numbers of the TE group they are doing themselves a disservice. The numbers don't tell the entire story in Allen's case. Of all the TEs in this class no one had more talent around them than Allen yet he was talent enough to stay on the field and produce.1. Sammy Watkins............WOW!!! What can be said about this kid..."BEAST"...."STUD"...."Man Amongst Boys"...all these would be correct. At the rate he's going whenever decides to enter the draft, he'll be the first WR off the board in both Fantasy and NFL.2. Hopkins is a tad heavier than Watkins and this kid has it all. He is overshadowed by the Watkins' hype and has been unnoticed because of it. He's a Sophomore so he'll be back next year but this kid is a football player too and his talent is on par with Watkins.3. Allen, he stays on the field the entire game. He truly does everything you need in a TE. As a receiver he was consistently a mismatch for opposing teams. There were times he'd catch the ball with his body but most of the time he'd use his hands and he looks natural out on the field. Teams began to rolled two defenders to his side to try and take him out of the game. Linebackers had a hard time keeping up with him and DBs were just too small.4. Ellington, IIRC had around 1200yds rushing and caught a few passes out of the backfield cathing some dump and swing passes. He was an important part of the offense. Clemson is the only team I've watched every single game at this point and Allen is the real deal. Unless something unknown comes out about Allen.........He's the #1 TE on my board and No "Draft-nick", "Draft Expert" will convince me he's the second or third TE in this draft........TALENT wise..........he's #1.Fleener and Charles are good TEs and they may end up in better situations so I'm speaking from pure talent and production and it's Allen for me.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Been doing a lot of work on the RBs the last few days. The more I watch David Wilson the less impressed with him I get. I love his speed but that's about the only thing about his game that I would consider elite. I am not a fan of his vision or his tendancy to try and do too much which sometimes results in him losing yards. It's helped to create some big plays but I still don't like to see a RB try and get too fancy and run backwards while looking for a hole. That will end up with him being eaten alive in the NFL. I think he could still be a good starting RB in the NFL but I'm not as convinced as I was before and would put him as a late 1st rounder.Doug Martin and Lamar Miller are about neck-and-neck for the #2 RB on my list. I'd say they're about 2a and 2b right now. I love Martin's versatility, he has a great combination of speed, elusiveness and power. I think Miller has elite vision as well as elite speed. Miller does a great job at following his blockers and I think he does a great job at creating his own yards and making people miss. Martin is probably a bigger part of the passing game than Miller is and I think he's better in pass protection which probably gives him the leg up as a 3 down back. Miller I don't think is as good in pass protection so he may come off the field on 3rd downs. The thing that I like about Miller though is his ability to completely blow past defenders. I don't think that all of his big plays are simply a product of big holes, he's shown that he can go up the middle and find a hole and then has the speed to be able to get through it before he's tackled. Martin while he has very good acceleration, doesn't have the top gear that Miller does. Both jump off the screen but Miller has more big play potential. It's very hard to separate the two.Thus far I'd say my rankings would be:1. Trent Richardson2a. Doug Martin2b. Lamar Miller4. Chris Polk5. David Wilson

I'm somewhat in the same boat as you. The more I watch Wilson, the less impressed I am as well. The more I watch Miller, the more I like him. I agree that he does a great job creating on his own. I'm not sure where that criticism is coming from on EBF's part? I think he creates better than Martin, yet that is listed as a strength for him? Miller is best suited for a zone blocking scheme IMO, but will do well in the NFL no matter where he lands. I've clearly got Miller as my #2 right now and I guess that is the one area we differ. I see it like this right now.1. Richardson2. Miller3a. WIlson3b. Martin5. Polk

Would like to hear more opinions on Polk, Hillman and Ballard. Polk looked promising but didn't he show up to the senior bowl out of shape? Ballard has a pretty damn impressive ypc average considering his competition.

 

[loose circuits]

surprised EBF hasn't came out with a 2nd edition of this yet.

I'm guessing his top 10 would have stayed the same. Maybe Wright down a spot or two, maybe...

Jeffery and Sanu down more while Turbin, Hill, Jenkins, and Givens up? Polk in the mix now?

 

[EBF]

surprised EBF hasn't came out with a 2nd edition of this yet.I'm guessing his top 10 would have stayed the same. Maybe Wright down a spot or two, maybe...Jeffery and Sanu down more while Turbin, Hill, Jenkins, and Givens up? Polk in the mix now?

Been a bit busy lately. Maybe I'll do a new list in early April before the draft. Pro days could change things slightly. There haven't been a lot of big changes on my board. I'll bump RG3 up into the first tier on the next list. Wright will probably drop a spot or two. Martin, Miller, and Wilson are still in that 5-9 area. Turbin and Hill would definitely be higher. Criner and Sanu would definitely be lower. I'm still very down on Jeffery. I'm not high on Polk, but I'd have to put him somewhere in the 10-15 range based on upside alone. James would be ahead of Pierce and Fleener would be around the 10-12 area. Pead and Hillman will probably make the cut in the 15-24 range ahead of some WRs like Toon.

 

[5Rings]

Good stuff EBF

 

[Hoosier16]

Criner . . . would definitely be lower.

Why? What did he do to cause a drop? His 40 time certainly wasn't unexpected. His vertical was 38, which is pretty impressive for his size. He measured a little taller and heavier than his listing. He looked good in the drills. His hands, one of his best attributes, haven't changed.

 

[loose circuits]

Criner . . . would definitely be lower.

Why? What did he do to cause a drop? His 40 time certainly wasn't unexpected. His vertical was 38, which is pretty impressive for his size. He measured a little taller and heavier than his listing. He looked good in the drills. His hands, one of his best attributes, haven't changed.

he reminds me of a younger, healthier Colston

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Criner . . . would definitely be lower.

Why? What did he do to cause a drop? His 40 time certainly wasn't unexpected. His vertical was 38, which is pretty impressive for his size. He measured a little taller and heavier than his listing. He looked good in the drills. His hands, one of his best attributes, haven't changed.

I try not to let the combine effect my player ratings much, but Criner's 40 time left something to be desired. Still, watching game film he's silky smooth, knows how to create separation without running having to run by people, and shows enough speed that I don't think it'll hold him back in the NFL. loose_circuits comparison to Colston is a pretty solid one imo. Probably unlikely to be a superstar, but I think Criner can be a perennial 1000+ yard receiver in the right situation. I think he'll be a steal if an NFL team can get him after the 2nd round.

 

[EBF]

Criner . . . would definitely be lower.

Why? What did he do to cause a drop? His 40 time certainly wasn't unexpected. His vertical was 38, which is pretty impressive for his size. He measured a little taller and heavier than his listing. He looked good in the drills. His hands, one of his best attributes, haven't changed.

Nobody expected Criner to blaze the track at the combine, but 4.68 is a very poor time even for a big jump ball WR. Tough to imagine him as anything more than a secondary option in the NFL.

 

[ZWK]

Criner . . . would definitely be lower.

Why? What did he do to cause a drop? His 40 time certainly wasn't unexpected. His vertical was 38, which is pretty impressive for his size. He measured a little taller and heavier than his listing. He looked good in the drills. His hands, one of his best attributes, haven't changed.

His 4.68 was worse than expected - most projections had him around 4.6. And it's rare for a WR who runs that slow to succeed in the NFL. Since 2005, the best WRs with a combine 40 time over 4.65 are Mohamed Massaquoi(4.67) & Danny Amendola (4.68). Colston ran a 4.50. That doesn't mean that things are hopeless for Criner (Boldin ran a 4.72), but it is a reason to downgrade him.

 

[Donnybrook]

Why 24 why not 25. I'll make AJ Jenkins 25

I am starting to like AJ Jenkins more and more. I see some definite similarites to Greg Jennings.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Criner . . . would definitely be lower.

Why? What did he do to cause a drop? His 40 time certainly wasn't unexpected. His vertical was 38, which is pretty impressive for his size. He measured a little taller and heavier than his listing. He looked good in the drills. His hands, one of his best attributes, haven't changed.

I try not to let the combine effect my player ratings much, but Criner's 40 time left something to be desired. Still, watching game film he's silky smooth, knows how to create separation without running having to run by people, and shows enough speed that I don't think it'll hold him back in the NFL. loose_circuits comparison to Colston is a pretty solid one imo. Probably unlikely to be a superstar, but I think Criner can be a perennial 1000+ yard receiver in the right situation. I think he'll be a steal if an NFL team can get him after the 2nd round.

Exactly, nice post. I'm very high on Criner.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

As a Georgia Tech fan, I'd advise you to take Hill out of your top 24. While he has the physical traits you'd be looking for, he has some of the worst hands I have ever witnessed.The advisory board gave him the third ranking (i.e. will be drafted, but not in the first 3 rounds). Serious doubts he ever does anything in the NFL.

Bump

 

[EBF]

Here's a brief pre-draft update.

TIER ONE

1. RB Trent Richardson

TIER TWO

2. WR Justin Blackmon

3. RB Doug Martin

4. WR Michael Floyd

5. QB Andrew Luck

6. QB Robert Griffin

TIER THREE

7. RB Lamar Miller

8. WR Kendall Wright

9. RB David Wilson

10. WR Rueben Randle

11. TE Coby Fleener

TIER FOUR

12. RB Robert Turbin

13. WR Stephen Hill

14. WR Chris Givens

15. RB Bernard Pierce

16. WR Alshon Jeffery

17. RB LaMichael James

18. QB Ryan Tannehill

19. TE Dwayne Allen

TIER FIVE

20. WR AJ Jenkins

21. RB Ronnie Hillman

22. WR Ryan Broyles

23. WR Greg Childs

24. RB Chris Polk

Some notes:

- Luck and Griffin are clearly better prospects than Martin and Floyd. They also have a lot more longevity potential. If that's valuable to you, they can be ranked somewhere between 2-4. The reason I put Martin and Floyd above them is because the value of their positions is higher in FF. I can always trade for a good QB. It costs a lot more to trade for a good WR/RB. So unless Luck and Griffin reach that elite top 3 level, they might not warrant their high cost.

- Some of the big risers include Randle, Turbin, Givens, and Hill. Randle looks like a #2 WR to me. Good player, but not elite in any physical category. Not sure that's a great FF recipe. Turbin reminds me a bit of Marion Barber. Big and strong with decent mobility. Runs a bit long-legged though and is really thin in the ankles, which could be a durability issue (reminds me of Beanie Wells in that way). Hill reminds me of Roy Williams. Big and springy, but a bit goofy when he moves. He's a total wild card. High ceiling. Low floor. Swing for the fences type of pick. He's not as impressive as Thomas was coming out, but the height/speed/hops combo is out of this world. Givens has a bit of Greg Jennings to him. Similar size and speed. Moves well, but upside is hard to project.

- LaMichael James is back down on my board after climbing up for a while. Going with my gut instinct here. He's just too small to be a full-time guy. People will say Sproles, but in reality Sproles is a lot stronger and stockier for his height.

- Not sold on Tannehill. Think his ceiling is probably Flacco/Freeman, so I won't be bothered with him in the top 15.

- Not in love with this draft overall. Top 6 is rock solid. Beyond that...not so much. I usually find a few favorite sleepers in each draft. There aren't many in this crew. I'm sure some of these guys will emerge, but it looks like a whole lot of mediocrity.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Tier one (elite profiles, no major dings):

--Luck, Griffin

--Richardson, Martin

--None

--Fleener

Tier two (good players with clean profiles or elite profiles with a lot of risk):

--Osweiler

--Turbin, James, Miller, Wilson, Pierce, Hillman

--Hill, Ladarius Green, Blackmon, Floyd, Givens

--Thompson, Allen

One sleeper to watch at each position: Foles, Bolden, Hemingway, Hanna

Hig-drafted busts waiting to happen: Tannehill, Polk, Randle, Charles

 

[Sabertooth]

Tier one (elite profiles, no major dings):--Luck, Griffin--Richardson, Martin--None--FleenerTier two (good players with clean profiles or elite profiles with a lot of risk):--Osweiler--Turbin, James, Miller, Wilson, Pierce, Hillman--Hill, Ladarius Green, Blackmon, Floyd, Givens--Thompson, AllenOne sleeper to watch at each position: Foles, Bolden, Hemingway, HannaHig-drafted busts waiting to happen: Tannehill, Polk, Randle, Charles

Tannehill and Polk won't be within 30 picks of one another.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Tannehill and Polk won't be within 30 picks of one another.

I'm not saying all those guys are first round picks. Tannehill might be worth a 2nd or 3rd just b/c QBs are so valuable, but Randle and Polk and Charles are bit players IMO and there's really no need to draft bit players early. They're always available as FAs or later in the draft.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Tier one (elite profiles, no major dings):

--Luck, Griffin

--Richardson, Martin

--None

--Fleener

Tier two (good players with clean profiles or elite profiles with a lot of risk):

--Osweiler

--Turbin, James, Miller, Wilson, Pierce, Hillman

--Hill, Ladarius Green, Blackmon, Floyd, Givens

--Thompson, Allen

One sleeper to watch at each position: Foles, Bolden, Hemingway, Hanna

Hig-drafted busts waiting to happen: Tannehill, Polk, Randle, Charles

These two players are some of the most overrated in the SP. And if you haven't watched enough on Tannehill to see he can play...go back and watch some more. He's worthy of an NFL top 10 selection.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I stole your format, but here are my rankings

TIER ONE

1. RB Trent Richardson

TIER TWO

2. WR Justin Blackmon

3. WR Michael Floyd

4. QB Andrew Luck

5. QB Robert Griffin

6. RB Doug Martin

TIER THREE

7. RB David Wilson

8. RB Lamar Miller

9. WR Kendall Wright

10. WR Alshon Jeffery

11. WR Rueben Randle

12. TE Coby Fleener

TIER FOUR

13. WR Juron Criner

14. WR Marvin Jones

15. WR Stephen Hill

16. RB LaMichael James

17. RB Isaiah Pead

18. WR Chris Givens

19. WR Mohammed Sanu

20. RB Bernard Pierce

21. WR Greg Childs

22. RB Chris Polk

TIER FIVE

23. WR AJ Jenkins

24. RB Ronnie Hillman

25. WR Ryan Broyles

26. QB Ryan Tannehill

27. TE Dwayne Allen

28. RB Robert Turbin

29. RB Cyrus Gray

30. TE Michael Egnew

31. WR Marvin McNutt

32. WR Brian Quick

 

[Sabertooth]

Tannehill and Polk won't be within 30 picks of one another.

I'm not saying all those guys are first round picks. Tannehill might be worth a 2nd or 3rd just b/c QBs are so valuable, but Randle and Polk and Charles are bit players IMO and there's really no need to draft bit players early. They're always available as FAs or later in the draft.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. You said high drafted. I don't know that Polk comes off the board until Saturday. Tannehill won't slip out of the first round.

 

[Sabertooth]

Kendall Wright I just don't see it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

And if you haven't watched enough on Tannehill to see he can play...go back and watch some more. He's worthy of an NFL top 10 selection.

I don't watch film. Mine are strictly by the numbers - though I do sometimes use a player's projected draft position as an input. So my rankings aren't based on my opinion (at least not as much - it's impossible to eliminate judgment) or just a reordering of the consensus top picks. But rather than argue about our methods, I'm happy to take up your challenge. Too many (all?) scouts and FF rookie projections have no accountability, so I've tried to come up with a way to measure how successful I am. Feel free to join me.

Trim your players down to two tiers like I have and we'll track our results using PFR's Career Approximate Value vs the average CAV for a player taken in that general area of the draft. Like this.

Of course, if you'd prefer not to have a record that can be tracked I understand that too.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Tannehill and Polk won't be within 30 picks of one another.

I'm not saying all those guys are first round picks. Tannehill might be worth a 2nd or 3rd just b/c QBs are so valuable, but Randle and Polk and Charles are bit players IMO and there's really no need to draft bit players early. They're always available as FAs or later in the draft.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. You said high drafted. I don't know that Polk comes off the board until Saturday. Tannehill won't slip out of the first round.

Saturday is where Polk belongs, so that would make sense. But he seems to be consistently projected higher than that, which is why I included him in my list.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

And if you haven't watched enough on Tannehill to see he can play...go back and watch some more. He's worthy of an NFL top 10 selection.

I don't watch film. Mine are strictly by the numbers - though I do sometimes use a player's projected draft position as an input. So my rankings aren't based on my opinion (at least not as much - it's impossible to eliminate judgment) or just a reordering of the consensus top picks. But rather than argue about our methods, I'm happy to take up your challenge. Too many (all?) scouts and FF rookie projections have no accountability, so I've tried to come up with a way to measure how successful I am. Feel free to join me.

Trim your players down to two tiers like I have and we'll track our results using PFR's Career Approximate Value vs the average CAV for a player taken in that general area of the draft. Like this.

Of course, if you'd prefer not to have a record that can be tracked I understand that too.

How are you gauging this however? Lets say I like a player, but they aren't a elite? And i'm always up for a challenge.

 

[bonesman]

- Not in love with this draft overall. Top 6 is rock solid. Beyond that...not so much. I usually find a few favorite sleepers in each draft. There aren't many in this crew. I'm sure some of these guys will emerge, but it looks like a whole lot of mediocrity.

interesting... most seem to think this class is pretty deep.

 

[bonesman]

And if you haven't watched enough on Tannehill to see he can play...go back and watch some more. He's worthy of an NFL top 10 selection.

Funny that you would say that but then rank him almost 10 spots lower than someone who is "not sold on him at all".

 

[Xue]

- Not in love with this draft overall. Top 6 is rock solid. Beyond that...not so much. I usually find a few favorite sleepers in each draft. There aren't many in this crew. I'm sure some of these guys will emerge, but it looks like a whole lot of mediocrity.

interesting... most seem to think this class is pretty deep.

Deep doesn't mean strong. There's a lot of similar WR's in this draft. Next year will have more studs that will be fantasy relevant.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

And if you haven't watched enough on Tannehill to see he can play...go back and watch some more. He's worthy of an NFL top 10 selection.

Funny that you would say that but then rank him almost 10 spots lower than someone who is "not sold on him at all".

It takes a lot to be valuable as a QB in FF vs NFL.

 

[EBF]

TIER ONE

1. RB Trent Richardson

TIER TWO

2. WR Justin Blackmon

3. RB Doug Martin

4. WR Michael Floyd

5. QB Andrew Luck

6. QB Robert Griffin

TIER THREE

7. RB Lamar Miller

8. WR Kendall Wright

9. RB David Wilson

10. WR Rueben Randle

11. TE Coby Fleener

TIER FOUR

12. RB Robert Turbin

13. WR Stephen Hill

14. WR Chris Givens

15. RB Bernard Pierce

16. WR Alshon Jeffery

17. RB LaMichael James

18. QB Ryan Tannehill

19. TE Dwayne Allen

TIER FIVE

20. WR AJ Jenkins

21. RB Ronnie Hillman

22. WR Ryan Broyles

23. WR Greg Childs

24. RB Chris Polk

Well yesterday was fairly uneventful, but my board got completely annihilated today. Highly-rated players like Turbin, Givens, and Miller went undrafted. Players who have never made my top 24 such as Pead, Graham, and Osweiler went high.

I put a lot of stock in draft position, so you can bet that the next list will look a lot different, especially at spots 8-24. There are still a few big data points (such as where Turbin and Miller land), but by and large the obvious FF-relevant players are gone. Tomorrow is more about the sleepers. I am going to dig in tonight and start getting ready for my drafts, which begin in a matter of days.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

Has Chris Polk been drafted yet? I understand teams bailing on miller but not Polk.

 

[EBF]

Has Chris Polk been drafted yet? I understand teams bailing on miller but not Polk.

No. I was surprised by Miller's drop. Not totally surprised with Polk. Definitely could have seen him as a third rounder, but I never felt he was as impressive as his stats would suggest. I still think he has a good chance to go in the 4th.

 

[coolnerd]

Has Chris Polk been drafted yet? I understand teams bailing on miller but not Polk.

Mayock said the Polk has a degenerative medical issue.

 

[loose circuits]

Has Chris Polk been drafted yet? I understand teams bailing on miller but not Polk.

Mayock said the Polk has a degenerative medical issue.

was almost like he caught himself slipping because he then repeated what he was trying to say without saying it again

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Real interested to see where Chris Givens goes. Right situation, I think he could contribute right away.

 

[Penguin]

Miller supposedly needs some sort of surgery (shoulder?) after the draft.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Real interested to see where Chris Givens goes. Right situation, I think he could contribute right away.

Should be plenty of opportunities for him in St. Louis.

 

[eNdblu]

Well yesterday was fairly uneventful, but my board got completely annihilated today. Highly-rated players like Turbin, Givens, and Miller went undrafted. Players who have never made my top 24 such as Pead, Graham, and Osweiler went high. I put a lot of stock in draft position, so you can bet that the next list will look a lot different, especially at spots 8-24. There are still a few big data points (such as where Turbin and Miller land), but by and large the obvious FF-relevant players are gone. Tomorrow is more about the sleepers. I am going to dig in tonight and start getting ready for my drafts, which begin in a matter of days.

Curious if we'll see any updates to your rankings/tiers now that the dust has settled?

 

[cstu]

Kendall Wright I just don't see it.

Me either. There are three offensive player who I have big doubts about - Floyd, Wright, and Tannehill. I chose to let Wright slide to 1.10 since I wanted someone else to take him (I had 1.08, 1.09, 1.11 and 1.12). Tannehill I don't trust at all and think he's going to fail miserably.

 

[coolnerd]

Well yesterday was fairly uneventful, but my board got completely annihilated today. Highly-rated players like Turbin, Givens, and Miller went undrafted. Players who have never made my top 24 such as Pead, Graham, and Osweiler went high. I put a lot of stock in draft position, so you can bet that the next list will look a lot different, especially at spots 8-24. There are still a few big data points (such as where Turbin and Miller land), but by and large the obvious FF-relevant players are gone. Tomorrow is more about the sleepers. I am going to dig in tonight and start getting ready for my drafts, which begin in a matter of days.

Curious if we'll see any updates to your rankings/tiers now that the dust has settled?

He tends to hold his board until most of his drafts have been completed.

 

[coolnerd]

Kendall Wright I just don't see it.

Me either. There are three offensive player who I have big doubts about - Floyd, Wright, and Tannehill. I chose to let Wright slide to 1.10 since I wanted someone else to take him (I had 1.08, 1.09, 1.11 and 1.12). Tannehill I don't trust at all and think he's going to fail miserably.

Wright is tough guy because all I know is that pretty much every Baylor game he was running wide the bleep open scoring TDs. the problem is that the Big 12 has not been that good defensively and he is a softer body, smaller WR, who did not time well at the combine and is not some ankle breaking route runner going to a running team with either a too old or too young QB. Not a "stand on the table" guy for me.

 

[EBF]

Well yesterday was fairly uneventful, but my board got completely annihilated today. Highly-rated players like Turbin, Givens, and Miller went undrafted. Players who have never made my top 24 such as Pead, Graham, and Osweiler went high. I put a lot of stock in draft position, so you can bet that the next list will look a lot different, especially at spots 8-24. There are still a few big data points (such as where Turbin and Miller land), but by and large the obvious FF-relevant players are gone. Tomorrow is more about the sleepers. I am going to dig in tonight and start getting ready for my drafts, which begin in a matter of days.

Curious if we'll see any updates to your rankings/tiers now that the dust has settled?

My drafts are a bit more spread out this year, so I probably won't post my list for another week or so. There have been some pretty big changes. Not so much at the top, but definitely in the 8-20 range. I've started to come around on this class, as I feel like there are some really quality guys falling far. I really haven't had to draft a single "meh" guy yet in any of my leagues, which is great.

 

[EBF]

Kendall Wright I just don't see it.

Me either. There are three offensive player who I have big doubts about - Floyd, Wright, and Tannehill. I chose to let Wright slide to 1.10 since I wanted someone else to take him (I had 1.08, 1.09, 1.11 and 1.12). Tannehill I don't trust at all and think he's going to fail miserably.

Floyd really jumps off the screen to me. Looks like a #1 NFL WR. Big fan of his game. Tannehill...not a believer. I value stats and winning when I'm looking at a college QB. His stats were merely okay and he wasn't a winner (not in games that mattered). I see him as a future Flacco/Freeman type at best and a Boller/Losman at worst. Wright is a boom-or-bust player. Bad workouts and unimpressive physique are big red flags. On the other hand, he looks great in pads and the NFL scouts seemed to like him (sounds like he was coveted by more than one team in the 20-25 range). I'll take the gamble after Blackmon and Floyd are gone. I like Randle, but none of the other WRs really do much for me. Not a fan of Hill, Jeffery, or Quick.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Floyd really jumps off the screen to me. Looks like a #1 NFL WR. Big fan of his game.

Really? He doesn't to me. He's got good hands, but other than that, I don't see much more I like. I don't care about the off-field things, because I really think those are a non-issue with this particular kid. I know more about him than most being from Minnesota.But what I see with him is a guy who doesn't play as fast as he times. Isn't real sudden with his movements, so he's not a guy who's going to get wide open a lot.But the biggest thing for me, is that all of that is OK - IF he is great with the ball in his hands after the catch. But I don't think I really saw a lot of big plays from him after the catch. I know his QBs were terrible and he was the focus of the defense, but so what? I would've liked to see some of those "wow" plays that I constantly saw from Blackmon. And I didn't see any.So where does that leave Floyd? What's going to be his route to success? Yes, he's big and has good hands, but he doesn't run routes like Fitzgerald and isn't even as good after the catch as Larry. And his hands aren't nearly as good as Larry's (not that anyone's are).I want Floyd to succeed, but I really have a hard time seeing how he's going to. The biggest thing he's got going for him now is that Fitzgerald will get most of the coverage. But that's countermanded by poor QB play in the short-term at least, so it's kind of a wash.If Floyd ends up as a top-15 or whatever fantasy WR, I will be very, very surprised.

 

[EBF]

There are lots of ways to skin a cat. Floyd's game isn't about YAC. He's more of a catch-and-fall WR, which is fine. His best assets are his height, ball skills, and hands. The ability to go up and win a ball is valuable. It's one of the main things that makes Calvin Johnson elite. And while Floyd can't run like Johnson, I think he moves pretty well for a taller guy.

 

[finito]

Floyd really jumps off the screen to me. Looks like a #1 NFL WR. Big fan of his game.

Really? He doesn't to me. He's got good hands, but other than that, I don't see much more I like. I don't care about the off-field things, because I really think those are a non-issue with this particular kid. I know more about him than most being from Minnesota.But what I see with him is a guy who doesn't play as fast as he times. Isn't real sudden with his movements, so he's not a guy who's going to get wide open a lot.But the biggest thing for me, is that all of that is OK - IF he is great with the ball in his hands after the catch. But I don't think I really saw a lot of big plays from him after the catch. I know his QBs were terrible and he was the focus of the defense, but so what? I would've liked to see some of those "wow" plays that I constantly saw from Blackmon. And I didn't see any.So where does that leave Floyd? What's going to be his route to success? Yes, he's big and has good hands, but he doesn't run routes like Fitzgerald and isn't even as good after the catch as Larry. And his hands aren't nearly as good as Larry's (not that anyone's are).I want Floyd to succeed, but I really have a hard time seeing how he's going to. The biggest thing he's got going for him now is that Fitzgerald will get most of the coverage. But that's countermanded by poor QB play in the short-term at least, so it's kind of a wash.If Floyd ends up as a top-15 or whatever fantasy WR, I will be very, very surprised.

You could be right on Floyd, but if everything you said is so easy to see wouldn't he have been a 4th rounder or so? I mean most teams had him as a 1st rounder so there has to be some genuine upside to his game. I think he's going to be terrific - he's a prototypical big time WR and IMO you're selling him short.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Floyd really jumps off the screen to me. Looks like a #1 NFL WR. Big fan of his game.

Really? He doesn't to me. He's got good hands, but other than that, I don't see much more I like. I don't care about the off-field things, because I really think those are a non-issue with this particular kid. I know more about him than most being from Minnesota.But what I see with him is a guy who doesn't play as fast as he times. Isn't real sudden with his movements, so he's not a guy who's going to get wide open a lot.But the biggest thing for me, is that all of that is OK - IF he is great with the ball in his hands after the catch. But I don't think I really saw a lot of big plays from him after the catch. I know his QBs were terrible and he was the focus of the defense, but so what? I would've liked to see some of those "wow" plays that I constantly saw from Blackmon. And I didn't see any.So where does that leave Floyd? What's going to be his route to success? Yes, he's big and has good hands, but he doesn't run routes like Fitzgerald and isn't even as good after the catch as Larry. And his hands aren't nearly as good as Larry's (not that anyone's are).I want Floyd to succeed, but I really have a hard time seeing how he's going to. The biggest thing he's got going for him now is that Fitzgerald will get most of the coverage. But that's countermanded by poor QB play in the short-term at least, so it's kind of a wash.If Floyd ends up as a top-15 or whatever fantasy WR, I will be very, very surprised.

You could be right on Floyd, but if everything you said is so easy to see wouldn't he have been a 4th rounder or so? I mean most teams had him as a 1st rounder so there has to be some genuine upside to his game. I think he's going to be terrific - he's a prototypical big time WR and IMO you're selling him short.

You may be right. He just doesn't "jump off the screen" to me like he does for EBF, or like many other players have for me. I just don't see him as being special. I do see him as that catch and fall WR that EBF described, and with no deep speed, catching and falling eight yards down field doesn't scream elite fantasy production to me.