[DYNASTY] 2012 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)

[Xue]

Floyd is a TE stuck in a WR body. Coby Fleener has 3" and 20+ lbs on Floyd, yet is a more fluid athlete. Any route with a 90-degree break and Floyd isn't sharp or balanced. He's roughly the same size as Fitzgerald, A. Johnson, and Dez Bryant, yet is an inferior athlete.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

 

[cstu]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

Since when does a WR lobby for a team to draft a WR better than them? Fitz wants a target opposite him so he can get one-on-one but doesn't want someone to overshadow him. Floyd provides exact that and I doubt Fitz is concerned about Floyd becoming the best WR on the team.

 

[Cookiemonster]

???

There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

 

[Xue]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

Lemme know when Fitzgerald becomes a scout or GM.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Absolutely positive he knows more about playing WR than anybody on this board.

 

[cstu]

Kendall Wright I just don't see it.

Me either. There are three offensive player who I have big doubts about - Floyd, Wright, and Tannehill. I chose to let Wright slide to 1.10 since I wanted someone else to take him (I had 1.08, 1.09, 1.11 and 1.12). Tannehill I don't trust at all and think he's going to fail miserably.

Floyd really jumps off the screen to me. Looks like a #1 NFL WR. Big fan of his game. Tannehill...not a believer. I value stats and winning when I'm looking at a college QB. His stats were merely okay and he wasn't a winner (not in games that mattered). I see him as a future Flacco/Freeman type at best and a Boller/Losman at worst.

Wright is a boom-or-bust player. Bad workouts and unimpressive physique are big red flags. On the other hand, he looks great in pads and the NFL scouts seemed to like him (sounds like he was coveted by more than one team in the 20-25 range). I'll take the gamble after Blackmon and Floyd are gone. I like Randle, but none of the other WRs really do much for me. Not a fan of Hill, Jeffery, or Quick.

I think the reason Floyd jumps off the screen is that he was a man among boys. His hands are average - check out the
- he missed a pass that should have been caught at 1:30 and the TD he caught at 1:50 was laughable. He's great blocker but I don't see him as more than a giant possession receiver in the NFL.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Absolutely positive he knows more about playing WR than anybody on this board.

And Michael Jordan is a great basketball GM.

 

[cstu]

???There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

I'm telling you the honest truth about what I think about him. I'm not a professional scout there's a very good chance I may be wrong but I've seen enough of different receivers to get a bad feeling about some of them. While I think he'll be a good role player he reminds me of BMW. I don't see him as a special talent and don't think he'll live up to his draft position. Players bust all the time and I don't think we should be afraid to call it when we see it.

 

[humpback]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

Fitz lobbied for Kolb too. Just saying...

 

[Cookiemonster]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

Fitz lobbied for Kolb too. Just saying...

Good point, but a little apples : oranges. QB and WR are related but not the same. And has Kolb even been given a chance to prove anything yet? One half of a season on a new team is not going to give me a stron opinion one way or the other.I'm not saying Floyd should be the 1.03 rookie pick this year, but I don't think he should fall any further than 1.07 or so. I don't think he's a huge bust risk. I agree that he's not a future NFL star or a stud FFB #1 WR, but if you get a nice WR2 as the 6-8th rookie pick, that's not a bad deal.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

Fitz lobbied for Kolb too. Just saying...

Good point, but a little apples : oranges. QB and WR are related but not the same. And has Kolb even been given a chance to prove anything yet? One half of a season on a new team is not going to give me a stron opinion one way or the other.I'm not saying Floyd should be the 1.03 rookie pick this year, but I don't think he should fall any further than 1.07 or so. I don't think he's a huge bust risk. I agree that he's not a future NFL star or a stud FFB #1 WR, but if you get a nice WR2 as the 6-8th rookie pick, that's not a bad deal.

Well, I think what we're mostly talking about here is whether he can be a No. 1 fantasy (or NFL) WR. I'm not saying he'll be a complete bust. I just don't think he's going to be all that valuable to a fantasy team. Obviously you have to take notice when a team selects him in the top 15 of the draft, and I do, but I just don't see it, and I don't think he's going to end up being worth that pick. Obviously I can be wrong.

 

[humpback]

Yet Fitzgerald lobbied for him. Arizona drafted him. Most experts and mocks had him top 15 in their drafts. Can they all be wrong? Yes, but I think I trust Fitz when it comes to judging a WR.

Fitz lobbied for Kolb too. Just saying...

Good point, but a little apples : oranges. QB and WR are related but not the same. And has Kolb even been given a chance to prove anything yet? One half of a season on a new team is not going to give me a stron opinion one way or the other.I'm not saying Floyd should be the 1.03 rookie pick this year, but I don't think he should fall any further than 1.07 or so. I don't think he's a huge bust risk. I agree that he's not a future NFL star or a stud FFB #1 WR, but if you get a nice WR2 as the 6-8th rookie pick, that's not a bad deal.

Like I said, just saying. It doesn't prove anything one way or another, I just don't think Fitz wanting to draft him means he's going to be a stud (nor does it mean he's not). Fitz is obviously an incredible talent, but that doesn't mean he's a great talent evaluator, and even the best in the business get it wrong quite often. Basically agree with your FF evaluation of him fwiw.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Kendall Wright I just don't see it.

Me either. There are three offensive player who I have big doubts about - Floyd, Wright, and Tannehill. I chose to let Wright slide to 1.10 since I wanted someone else to take him (I had 1.08, 1.09, 1.11 and 1.12). Tannehill I don't trust at all and think he's going to fail miserably.

Floyd really jumps off the screen to me. Looks like a #1 NFL WR. Big fan of his game. Tannehill...not a believer. I value stats and winning when I'm looking at a college QB. His stats were merely okay and he wasn't a winner (not in games that mattered). I see him as a future Flacco/Freeman type at best and a Boller/Losman at worst.

Wright is a boom-or-bust player. Bad workouts and unimpressive physique are big red flags. On the other hand, he looks great in pads and the NFL scouts seemed to like him (sounds like he was coveted by more than one team in the 20-25 range). I'll take the gamble after Blackmon and Floyd are gone. I like Randle, but none of the other WRs really do much for me. Not a fan of Hill, Jeffery, or Quick.

I think the reason Floyd jumps off the screen is that he was a man among boys. His hands are average - check out the

So you're comfortable with Stephen Hill's catching ability, but not Floyd's? Floyd won jump ball catches pretty well every single week of the season; Floyd has some faults to his game, but catching footballs isn't one of them.

 

[EBF]

BMW comparison is ridiculous. Floyd will be fine. Much ado about nothing in here.

6'3"

220

4.47 40 time at the combine

36.5" vertical leap

consecutive 1000+ yard seasons

top 15 pick

Yes, please.

 

[cstu]

BMW comparison is ridiculous. Floyd will be fine. Much ado about nothing in here. 6'3"2204.47 40 time at the combine36.5" vertical leapconsecutive 1000+ yard seasonstop 15 pickYes, please.

BMW had more yards(1265, 1314) and TD's (14, 16) in both of his seasons than Floyd had in either (1025, 1147) and (12, 9).So BMW was bigger and .1 of a second slower in the 40.

Pre-draft measureables Height - 6 ft 5 3/4 in Weight - 231 lb 40 - 4.56 s 10-yd split - 1.66 s 20-yd split - 2.70 s 20-ss - 4.23 s 3C - 6.98 s Vert - 38 1/2 in Broad - 10 ft 3 in Wonderlic - 20All values from USC Pro Day, except Ht, Wt, 40-yd dash (and splits), and Wonderlic, which are from NFL Combine.[2][3]

 

[werdnoynek]

???There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

I'm telling you the honest truth about what I think about him. I'm not a professional scout there's a very good chance I may be wrong but I've seen enough of different receivers to get a bad feeling about some of them. While I think he'll be a good role player he reminds me of BMW. I don't see him as a special talent and don't think he'll live up to his draft position. Players bust all the time and I don't think we should be afraid to call it when we see it.

you compare floyd to BMW here and blackmon to green in another thread... i think you may need to have your eyes checked.

 

[cstu]

???There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

I'm telling you the honest truth about what I think about him. I'm not a professional scout there's a very good chance I may be wrong but I've seen enough of different receivers to get a bad feeling about some of them. While I think he'll be a good role player he reminds me of BMW. I don't see him as a special talent and don't think he'll live up to his draft position. Players bust all the time and I don't think we should be afraid to call it when we see it.

you compare floyd to BMW here and blackmon to green in another thread... i think you may need to have your eyes checked.

The NFL doesn't think it's that far off: Green #4 overall, Blackmon #5 overallBMW #10 overall, Floyd #13 overall

 

[HE DID WHAT!?]

Ronnie Hillman landed himself in a really nice situation in Denver. I have him as a deep sleeper in my round based keeper leagues.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

???There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

I'm telling you the honest truth about what I think about him. I'm not a professional scout there's a very good chance I may be wrong but I've seen enough of different receivers to get a bad feeling about some of them. While I think he'll be a good role player he reminds me of BMW. I don't see him as a special talent and don't think he'll live up to his draft position. Players bust all the time and I don't think we should be afraid to call it when we see it.

you compare floyd to BMW here and blackmon to green in another thread... i think you may need to have your eyes checked.

The NFL doesn't think it's that far off: Green #4 overall, Blackmon #5 overallBMW #10 overall, Floyd #13 overall

Matt millen picks shouldnt count

 

[finito]

I think the main reason BMW failed is because he lacked heart. Floyd doesn't IMO - he will work hard, he will bust his butt, he is a competitor. I don't think he's lazy like BMW was. IF BMW really put the work in I think he would have been a good WR. Just my take.

 

[MAC_32]

I think the main reason BMW failed is because he lacked heart. Floyd doesn't IMO - he will work hard, he will bust his butt, he is a competitor. I don't think he's lazy like BMW was. IF BMW really put the work in I think he would have been a good WR. Just my take.

 

[cstu]

Back to non-Floyd matters...

Beyond the Shutdown 50 - Brock Osweiler.

 

[werdnoynek]

???There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

I'm telling you the honest truth about what I think about him. I'm not a professional scout there's a very good chance I may be wrong but I've seen enough of different receivers to get a bad feeling about some of them. While I think he'll be a good role player he reminds me of BMW. I don't see him as a special talent and don't think he'll live up to his draft position. Players bust all the time and I don't think we should be afraid to call it when we see it.

you compare floyd to BMW here and blackmon to green in another thread... i think you may need to have your eyes checked.

The NFL doesn't think it's that far off: Green #4 overall, Blackmon #5 overallBMW #10 overall, Floyd #13 overall

draft position and college statistics do not say a whole lot about how someone plays the game, but if that's what you want to have as the basis of player evaluation, so be it. you'll find yourself rostering alot of busts.i don't see how them being drafted in similar positions makes them similar players... does. not. compute.

 

[identikit]

???

There is likely only one WR in the world better than Fitz, and that's up for debate. What does that have to do with whether or not Floyd is a good WR or the price of tea in China? Just feeling argumentative?

I'm telling you the honest truth about what I think about him. I'm not a professional scout there's a very good chance I may be wrong but I've seen enough of different receivers to get a bad feeling about some of them. While I think he'll be a good role player he reminds me of BMW. I don't see him as a special talent and don't think he'll live up to his draft position. Players bust all the time and I don't think we should be afraid to call it when we see it.

you compare floyd to BMW here and blackmon to green in another thread... i think you may need to have your eyes checked.

The NFL doesn't think it's that far off: Green #4 overall, Blackmon #5 overall

BMW #10 overall, Floyd #13 overall

draft position and college statistics do not say a whole lot about how someone plays the game, but if that's what you want to have as the basis of player evaluation, so be it. you'll find yourself rostering alot of busts.i don't see how them being drafted in similar positions makes them similar players... does. not. compute.

Indeed.Comparing draft positions across different draft years means nothing.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Absolutely positive he knows more about playing WR than anybody on this board.

Matt Millen knows more football than this board combined too. Just saying...

 

[cstu]

Absolutely positive he knows more about playing WR than anybody on this board.

Matt Millen knows more football than this board combined too. Just saying...

Mel Kiper also had him ranked at the best player in the draft.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Absolutely positive he knows more about playing WR than anybody on this board.

Matt Millen knows more football than this board combined too. Just saying...

actually I think he proved he dont. anyone of us could ruin a franchise and go 0-16. He knows X's and O's and how to play, but running a franchise and making talent based decisions, well he dont know anymore than any of us.