Travdogg's positional rankings from week 7 onward (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

A little delayed today after the 2 major WR trades. I think its easier to project the Adams one, and we've seen Adams with Rodgers, and we've seen the Raiders without Adams, whereas Browns/Bills is entirely guess work.

QB
Tier 1:
1. Josh Allen (2), giving him the bump with Amari Cooper on board. Also, the insistence of running him on the 1 that Jackson just doesn't get.
2. Lamar Jackson (1)
3. Jayden Daniels (3)

Tier 2:
4. Jordan Love (5)
5. Jalen Hurts (4)
6. Joe Burrow (6)
7. CJ Stroud (7)

Tier 3:
8. Dak Prescott (10), yes he had an awful week, but we've been down this road with Dak before, and he always bounces back strong. Dallas is still a pass 1st team, that will put up 4000+ yards.
9. Patrick Mahomes (8)
10. Kyler Murray (9)

Tier 4:
11. Baker Mayfield (13), currently the QB2 overall, and I'll freely admit a guy I might be giving more credit if he wasn't Baker Mayfield. Just kinda keep waiting for a shoe to drop. He keeps stacking these 25+ games, and he'll be in the top-8 regardless.
12. Justin Fields (11)
13. Brock Purdy (12)
14. Caleb Williams (NR), been looking better weekly, and not just fantasy wise with 3 straight 100+ passer rating games. Also. WR group is fully healthy.
15. Geno Smith (14)

Dropped off: Sam Darnold (15), just doesn't offer the rushing upside Caleb does, nor does he have Geno's volume.

 

[travdogg]

RB
Tier 1:
1. Derrick Henry (2)
2. Saquon Barkley (1)
3. Alvin Kamara (3)
4. Kyren Williams (5)

Tier 2:
5. Joe Mixon (11), ideal role in a great offense, and he's shown more burst in a more downhill running scheme. Good year for RBs changing teams for the most part.
6. Kenneth Walker (10), suddenly getting Kamara-like pass catching usage only makes him more trustworthy in weeks he doesn't pop a big run. If Seattle stops falling behind early, he's a threat for RB1 overall in any given week.
7. Jonathan Taylor (4)
8. James Cook (7)
9. Jahmyr Gibbs (6)
10. Bijan Robinson (9)

Tier 3:
11. Aaron Jones (14)
12. Breece Hall (8)
13. Christian McCaffrey (15)

Tier 4:
14. David Montgomery (17)
15. De'Von Achane (12)
16. Tony Pollard (22), looks back to his pre-injury form, and is quietly leading the NFL in YAC/att. Now Spears has a hamstring injury, and while the Titans are saying they don't want Pollard to get a huge usage spike, he's the engine of the offense right now, so that's likely to happen anyway.
17. Josh Jacobs (18)

Tier 5:
18. D'Andre Swift (24), 3 straight games with 120+ yards and a TD. Bears offense is starting to look potent. Time will tell if its the easy schedule or just the new normal. I'm hedging as I don't trust Swift much as a player.
19. James Conner (13), loses snaps when Cards are trailing, and that seems likely a lot given their defense. Very boom/bust going forward, and its possible Benson starts taking more work going forward.
20. Jordan Mason (16)
21. Brian Robinson (19)
22. JK Dobbins (21)
23. Chuba Hubbard (20)

Tier 6:
24. Chase Brown (NR), has led the Bengals in carries 3 straight weeks. Its slowly but surely happening.
25. Nick Chubb (30)
26. Isiah Pacheco (27)
27. Rhamondre Stevenson (25)
28. Najee Harris (29)
29. Bucky Irving (NR), hoping the Bucs can realize that White might even be their 3rd best RB, but he's certainly behind Irving.
30. Tank Bigsby (NR), unlike the Bengals and Bucs, I don't think Bigsby is necessarily better than Etienne, or just running hot, but the timing of Etienne's injury is perfect for Tank.

Dropped off: Zack Moss (23), starting to take a backseat to Brown, which at 3.6 vs 5.5 YPC he absolutely should. Travis Etienne (26), starting job is probably still his when healthy, bit hammy injuries are tricky, especially for speed-based guys. Old role may not be there waiting for him when he's back. Devin Singletary (28), I'm not as wowed by Tyrone Tracy as others seem to be. I think Singletary absolutely isn't losing that job when healthy, but the touch monopoly will likely be gone, and you need that to be trustworthy in that offense.

 

[travdogg]

WR
Tier 1:
1. AJ Brown (1)
2. Ja'Marr Chase (2)
3. Malik Nabers (4)
4. Justin Jefferson (5)
5. Amon-Ra St. Brown (6)
6. CeeDee Lamb (7)

Tier 2:
7. Drake London (12), a good lesson about following role and usage more than points. This breakout was easy to see coming.
8. Marvin Harrison (8)
9. Tyreek Hill (10)

Tier 3:
10. Nico Collins (3), was day-to-day this time last week. Now on IR, he's a tier 1 guy the second he's back, but 3 more weeks is no small chunk.
11. Chris Godwin (11)
12. Stefon Diggs (13)
13. DeVonta Smith (14)
14. DK Metcalf (9)
15. Davante Adams (15)

Tier 4:
16. Amari Cooper (36), ceiling is Diggs level if things break right, but floor should be solid WR2. Should instantly be the clear cut #1 for Josh Allen.
17. Jayden Reed (21)
18. Cooper Kupp (22)
19. Mike Evans (17)
20. Garrett Wilson (19)
21. DJ Moore (23)

Tier 5:
22. Chris Olave (16), still really like his talent, and he's among the unluckiest about getting tackled at the 1. But Carr is out, and Olave has quietly had 4 known concussions now, so it may be time to be wary of that. Still, not a bad buy-low if owners wanna hop ship on the cheap.
23. Deebo Samuel (18)
24. Terry McLaurin (28)
25. Tee Higgins (26)

Tier 6:
26. Puka Nacua (24)
27. Brian Thomas (25)
28. Diontae Johnson (29)
29. Brandon Aiyuk (20), not everybody eats in SF every week, but it seems like its been Aiyuk missing meals the most. His efficiency last year was always unsustainable, but he's been under 50 yards in all but 1 game, and at 5 or fewer targets in all but 2. Can't blame the 49ers, everyone else is doing more with their targets.

Tier 7:
30. Jaylen Waddle (27)
31. Jameson Williams (32)
32. Zay Flowers (35)

Tier 8:
33. Darnell Mooney (NR), predictably came down after his huge TB game, nonetheless I'm encouraged by his role. He's kind of a lesser version of Jameson Williams with that boom/bust WR3 profile.
34. Michael Pittman (39)
35. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (30)
36. Tank Dell (37)
37. George Pickens (31), its just not happening. Targets have been ok, and he's been getting open, but its just not happening. Upside is still there, but floor is scary low.

Tier 9:
38. Rashid Shaheed (33)
39. Xavier Worthy (34)
40. Jordan Addison (38)

Dropped off: Rome Odunze (40), Keenan Allen seems to be rounding back into form, and I think that makes both of them (and I'd agrue Kmet too) a little whack a mole.

 

[travdogg]

TE
Tier 1:
1. Travis Kelce (3)
2. Brock Bowers (1)
3. Trey McBride (2)

Tier 2:
4. George Kittle (4)
5. Jake Ferguson (5)
6. Sam LaPorta (6)

Tier 3:
7. David Njoku (15), well my logic last week of keeping Njoku on the list because of a path to being the #1 sure came true quickly. Decent chance Njoku leads all TEs in targets going forward.
8. TJ Hockenson (9)
9. Dallas Goedert (7)

Tier 4:
10. Kyle Pitts (14), has 3 games of 59 or more yards sandwiched around his goose egg against NO. That's enough for me to hesitantly step back on the bandwagon. Will still be boom/bust.
11. Tucker Kraft (10)
12. Evan Engram (NR), came back off injury with a vengeance. I do wonder how much of that was matchup, as the Bears have a true shutdown #1 CB, and were down their SS, and #3 CB. Still nothing stopping Engram from being a top-2 option in this limited offense.

Tier 5:
13. Taysom Hill (12)
14. Dalton Kincaid (8), on the flip side of Njoku, I think Cooper could really crater Kincaid, as the Bills likely run FAR less 2-TE stuff going forward, and cut back on manufactured touches to spark the pass game. Might be TD or bust going forward, and honestly, with zero games over 51 yards, he wasn't far above that already. Was just giving him potential #1 benefit of the doubt to this point.
15. Isaiah Likely (11)

Dropped off: Pat Freiermuth (13), coming off 2 lowest yardage games, and team still rotates TEs more than you'd like to see.

 

[jon_mx]

jamo still not cracking the top 30....too funny. He is top 20 scoring and has played 1 less game than 90 percent of the guys in front of him.

 

[irish eyes]

How is MHJ 8? Hasn't had more than 5 catches in a game & now he's hurt. Major disappointment.

 

[EBF]

Rankings are probably not reactionary enough in general. Winds can change quickly in the NFL.

I'd put Dobbins and Swift higher. On the other hand, Achane and Pollard are too high. Dolphins and Titans are putrid. For that to change, you'd be counting on Levis figuring it out or Tua getting healthy/staying healthy. All very hard to assume. Meanwhile Dobbins plays with Herbert for a good HC that loves to run, and Swift is looking dynamite now that Caleb is becoming viable. Arrows are moving here.

I'd have Purdy and Baker higher. Great weapons. Good production so far.

Dak is too high. Unreliable player with one good receiver to throw to.

 

[BobbyLayne]

A little delayed today after the 2 major WR trades. I think its easier to project the Adams one, and we've seen Adams with Rodgers, and we've seen the Raiders without Adams, whereas Browns/Bills is entirely guess work.

QB
Tier 1:
1. Josh Allen (2), giving him the bump with Amari Cooper on board. Also, the insistence of running him on the 1 that Jackson just doesn't get.
2. Lamar Jackson (1)
3. Jayden Daniels (3)

Tier 2:
4. Jordan Love (5)
5. Jalen Hurts (4)
6. Joe Burrow (6)
7. CJ Stroud (7)

Tier 3:
8. Dak Prescott (10), yes he had an awful week, but we've been down this road with Dak before, and he always bounces back strong. Dallas is still a pass 1st team, that will put up 4000+ yards.
9. Patrick Mahomes (8)
10. Kyler Murray (9)

Tier 4:
11. Baker Mayfield (13), currently the QB2 overall, and I'll freely admit a guy I might be giving more credit if he wasn't Baker Mayfield. Just kinda keep waiting for a shoe to drop. He keeps stacking these 25+ games, and he'll be in the top-8 regardless.
12. Justin Fields (11)
13. Brock Purdy (12)
14. Caleb Williams (NR), been looking better weekly, and not just fantasy wise with 3 straight 100+ passer rating games. Also. WR group is fully healthy.
15. Geno Smith (14)

Dropped off: Sam Darnold (15), just doesn't offer the rushing upside Caleb does, nor does he have Geno's volume.

Jared Goff turned 30 yesterday

Among all QBs in NFL history before turning 30, he ranked:

- 3rd in completions (2,763)
- t-3rd in 300-yd. games (38)
- 4th in yards (31,759)
- 4th in attempts (4,256)
- t-4th in starts (122)
- 6th in passing TDs (193)

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Last 2 games:

Rk	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm	Opp	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	Pts
4	09-30	4	4	29.352	DET 42	SEA 29	*	18	18	100.00	292	2	0	155.8	3	26	16.22	18.44	2	-2	-1.00	0	1	1	7	7.00	1	100.0%	7.00	1	6
5	10-13	5	6	29.365	DET 47	DAL 9	*	18	25	72.00	315	3	0	153.7	2	17	12.60	15.00	3	5	1.67	0	0	0	0		0	0.0%		0	0
	2024							106	149	71.14	1330	8	4	105.3	9	73	8.93	8.79	11	21	1.91	0	1	1	7	7.00	1	100.0%	7.00	1	6

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The only QBs in NFL history to produce a QB rating of 150.0+ in consecutive games (15 attempt minimum):
1. Lions QB Jared Goff (2024)
2. Drew Brees (2018)

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Goff is the only QB since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger to have a completion percentage of 80.0%+ and a passer rating of 140.0+ over any three-game span (50 attempt. minimum).

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Next Gen Stats Passing Chart

Jared Goff completed 6-of-7 passes for 178 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure against the Cowboys, his most passing yards under pressure over the last five seasons, and the most by a quarterback in a game this season.

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TF is this list, @travdogg - mans running the best offense in the league, and you don't have him in your Top 15??

89 points in the last 2 games wasn't enough for you?

 

[BobbyLayne]

The rest of the ranking lists are fine, e.g., you ranked my guys higher than the last time.

In all seriousness, appreciate you 1) taking the effort, thoughtfulness and time to do this, and 2) you often respond to almost every post with reasonable explanations of why you have players ranked where you do.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Hard to know with CMC but I think I would take all of tier 4/5 and Tank Bigsby over him

 

[IHEARTFF]

Similarly no way would I trade any tier 6 or 7 wr for Puka

 

[BlackCrowes]

a lot of inertia. Nice to see Monty move up a little!

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I was curious to see how you ranked Adams.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Agreed about Aiyuk. He is really frustrating.

 

[Judge Smails]

Thanks dogg. No Kareem Hunt?

 

[travdogg]

jamo still not cracking the top 30....too funny. He is top 20 scoring and has played 1 less game than 90 percent of the guys in front of him.

24th in PPR (though he does have 1 fewer game than most like you said)

My issue with him is he's just not the type I value. He's all or nothing. He has 16 catches in 5 games, he plays on a run 1st team, where he's not the top option in the passing game. Over the last 3 games he has 6 catches. To me that SCREAMS regression and sell high. There is zero chance he keeps this up all season. So unless the Lions greatly change their offense (and why would they?) this feels like his ceiling, which is 20th in PPG in PPR.

In standard, he's worth a bit more, though I think he's still at his peak. I'm probably selling everyone in Detroit who isn't Amon-Ra (and some concern is beginning with him) or a RB right now. Which includes:

A little delayed today after the 2 major WR trades. I think its easier to project the Adams one, and we've seen Adams with Rodgers, and we've seen the Raiders without Adams, whereas Browns/Bills is entirely guess work.

QB
Tier 1:
1. Josh Allen (2), giving him the bump with Amari Cooper on board. Also, the insistence of running him on the 1 that Jackson just doesn't get.
2. Lamar Jackson (1)
3. Jayden Daniels (3)

Tier 2:
4. Jordan Love (5)
5. Jalen Hurts (4)
6. Joe Burrow (6)
7. CJ Stroud (7)

Tier 3:
8. Dak Prescott (10), yes he had an awful week, but we've been down this road with Dak before, and he always bounces back strong. Dallas is still a pass 1st team, that will put up 4000+ yards.
9. Patrick Mahomes (8)
10. Kyler Murray (9)

Tier 4:
11. Baker Mayfield (13), currently the QB2 overall, and I'll freely admit a guy I might be giving more credit if he wasn't Baker Mayfield. Just kinda keep waiting for a shoe to drop. He keeps stacking these 25+ games, and he'll be in the top-8 regardless.
12. Justin Fields (11)
13. Brock Purdy (12)
14. Caleb Williams (NR), been looking better weekly, and not just fantasy wise with 3 straight 100+ passer rating games. Also. WR group is fully healthy.
15. Geno Smith (14)

Dropped off: Sam Darnold (15), just doesn't offer the rushing upside Caleb does, nor does he have Geno's volume.

Jared Goff turned 30 yesterday

Among all QBs in NFL history before turning 30, he ranked:

- 3rd in completions (2,763)
- t-3rd in 300-yd. games (38)
- 4th in yards (31,759)
- 4th in attempts (4,256)
- t-4th in starts (122)
- 6th in passing TDs (193)

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Last 2 games:

Rk	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm	Opp	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	Pts
4	09-30	4	4	29.352	DET 42	SEA 29	*	18	18	100.00	292	2	0	155.8	3	26	16.22	18.44	2	-2	-1.00	0	1	1	7	7.00	1	100.0%	7.00	1	6
5	10-13	5	6	29.365	DET 47	DAL 9	*	18	25	72.00	315	3	0	153.7	2	17	12.60	15.00	3	5	1.67	0	0	0	0		0	0.0%		0	0
	2024							106	149	71.14	1330	8	4	105.3	9	73	8.93	8.79	11	21	1.91	0	1	1	7	7.00	1	100.0%	7.00	1	6

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The only QBs in NFL history to produce a QB rating of 150.0+ in consecutive games (15 attempt minimum):
1. Lions QB Jared Goff (2024)
2. Drew Brees (2018)

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Goff is the only QB since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger to have a completion percentage of 80.0%+ and a passer rating of 140.0+ over any three-game span (50 attempt. minimum).

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Next Gen Stats Passing Chart

Jared Goff completed 6-of-7 passes for 178 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure against the Cowboys, his most passing yards under pressure over the last five seasons, and the most by a quarterback in a game this season.

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TF is this list, @travdogg - mans running the best offense in the league, and you don't have him in your Top 15??

89 points in the last 2 games wasn't enough for you?

Age counting stats are meaningless in my opinion. Especially for QBs. Its just a different game than it once was.

The completion percentage and passer rating stats are neat but mean little for fantasy. These last 2 games were nice, but even then, easy matchups, and a fluky receiving score really goose the numbers. He's QB10 in PPG, and that feels very unsustainable for guy who doesn't run and has topped 18 completions 1 time all season.

Goff was in the cutdown from 20, but never really came all that close to making the top-15. If anything with the Lions I kind of want to move LaPorta down, but I'm probably being too stubborn based on the state of TE.

 

[travdogg]

How is MHJ 8? Hasn't had more than 5 catches in a game & now he's hurt. Major disappointment.

Not worried about the injury at all.

Harrison has been disappointing, no argument there, but I think he's also gonna be a big 2nd half of the season guy. Cards D is leading to big deficits early, and Harrison is a locked in top-2 option for them, who should only grow. Throwing out last week, I see a guy averaging 8.5 targets a game, on a bad team, and upside for lots more.

I think he's a really good buy-low.

 

[travdogg]

Rankings are probably not reactionary enough in general. Winds can change quickly in the NFL.

I'd put Dobbins and Swift higher. On the other hand, Achane and Pollard are too high. Dolphins and Titans are putrid. For that to change, you'd be counting on Levis figuring it out or Tua getting healthy/staying healthy. All very hard to assume. Meanwhile Dobbins plays with Herbert for a good HC that loves to run, and Swift is looking dynamite now that Caleb is becoming viable. Arrows are moving here.

I'd have Purdy and Baker higher. Great weapons. Good production so far.

Dak is too high. Unreliable player with one good receiver to throw to.

I can see most of those arguments. My concerns on Dobbins are mostly him wearing down, and his 2 nice games early in the year coming against bottom feeder defenses. His efficiency has really nosedived since, though one could counter argue OL injuries played a part too. I'm hedging a bit on him. Swift is a guy I'll probably always be a little lower on. I just don't think he is a very good RB. He's had some nice fantasy weeks 3 games in a row now, but even in those games, he's underachieved. He's also got a long history of a few nice weeks before cratering, so I'm not getting my hopes too high. I'm a Bears fan, so I'd love to be wrong on Swift.

I think Tua is back week 8, and I think Miami looks like a solid (not elite) offense again. I understand there is some risk there. I also feel like Achane has tier 1 upside, though obviously being ranked 15, I'm not banking on it, just staying open for the possibility. Pollard has been really good this year (as a player better than any of those other RBs mentioned) he looks like the guy he was in Dallas before last season. He's the centerpiece of the offense, and the threat to his workload is injured. Even despite Levis Pollard has 1 bad game all season. He's a volume bet.

I'm 1 more week away on Baker. No real disagreement there. Purdy I'm a little lower on, because he's on a run 1st team. He's pretty nebulous though, and I'm a huge fan of his as an NFL player.

I feel like I've seen this movie with Dak a dozen times before. He has an awful game, and everyone questions him or is ready to move on, and then he follows it up by looking like an all-pro. Feels like it happens every year. I also like his weapons just fine. I think Ferguson is a very good TE, and Tolbert has some skills. He and Lamb were slow starters before the bye last season too, and were league winners down the stretch, not promising that will happen again, but I think its very much on the table. Its worth noting Dallas has probably had the hardest schedule of any team in the NFL, at least when it comes to defenses.

 

[travdogg]

Hard to know with CMC but I think I would take all of tier 4/5 and Tank Bigsby over him

Similarly no way would I trade any tier 6 or 7 wr for Puka

I feel like I'm always a little above consensus on injured guys.

 

[travdogg]

a lot of inertia. Nice to see Monty move up a little!

With how run heavy the Lions are trending, its an incremental boost every week.

 

[travdogg]

Thanks dogg. No Kareem Hunt?

Last omission. Still think its Pacheco's job whenever he's back, but faith in Hunt in the meantime is increasing. Still some concern he wears down, as he was on much smaller workloads in recent years in Cleveland. Think he's a great flex while Pacheco is out though.

 

[travdogg]

I was curious to see how you ranked Adams.

I was mostly thinking Jets all along, so this has mostly worked out how I expected. I said it in the Adams thread (or the Wilson thread?) but I think the NYJ passing game could end up mirroring TB a little bit, with 1 guy (Adams in this case, Godwin in TB) being the consistent every week guy, and 1 guy (Wilson) being the more boom/bust guy who has more big plays.

Its very possible more than 50% of the Jets targets go to those 2 guys, but I trust Adams a bit more both due to his relationship with Rodgers, and I think being a bit better player right now.

 

[jon_mx]

jamo still not cracking the top 30....too funny. He is top 20 scoring and has played 1 less game than 90 percent of the guys in front of him.

24th in PPR (though he does have 1 fewer game than most like you said)

My issue with him is he's just not the type I value. He's all or nothing. He has 16 catches in 5 games, he plays on a run 1st team, where he's not the top option in the passing game. Over the last 3 games he has 6 catches. To me that SCREAMS regression and sell high. There is zero chance he keeps this up all season. So unless the Lions greatly change their offense (and why would they?) this feels like his ceiling, which is 20th in PPG in PPR.

In standard, he's worth a bit more, though I think he's still at his peak. I'm probably selling everyone in Detroit

All or nothing? He has 4 out of 5 good weeks.

Regression? He has 18.7 and 16 points the last two weeks during this regression. Targets are down because tge Lions were run heavy the last three weeks, that changes when they go up against better defenses and they stop targeting offensive linemen in a blowout.

Peaked? Are you kidding. He has just scratched the surface. He has not even broken a long run yet.

Zero Chance? What there is zero chance of is he does not finish with 1000 plus yards and 9 plus TDs. He will easily stay in the top 20 all season.

 

[BassNBrew]

Thanks dogg. No Kareem Hunt?

That dogg don't hunt.

 

[FairWarning]

Not sure what Goff has to do to be in the top 15. I would have him in the top 8-10. They may need to score even more points with Hutch out and they play in a dome.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not sure what Goff has to do to be in the top 15. I would have him in the top 8-10. They may need to score even more points with Hutch out and they play in a dome.

in our league's format:

• Week 4 - QB2 18 / 18 292 2 TDs 1-7-1 receiving
• Week 6 - QB1 18 / 25 315 3 TDs

no turnovers either game, dude is on a heater on the most productive offense in the NFL

set multiple NFL records Week 4, bye Week, led the team to 9 scores in 9 drives Week 6 - on the road, and was near perfect when pressured (above)

What. does. he. have. to. do?

 

[BassNBrew]

Not sure what Goff has to do to be in the top 15. I would have him in the top 8-10. They may need to score even more points with Hutch out and they play in a dome.

in our league's format:

• Week 4 - QB2 18 / 18 292 2 TDs 1-7-1 receiving
• Week 6 - QB1 18 / 25 315 3 TDs

no turnovers either game, dude is on a heater on the most productive offense in the NFL

set multiple NFL records Week 4, bye Week, led the team to 9 scores in 9 drives Week 6 - on the road, and was near perfect when pressured (above)

What. does. he. have. to. do?

Take away the Cowboys game and he's ranked 15th. Mahomes and Williams are right behind him. I think he should be in tier 4, but he doesn't run enough or have enough attempts to be any highe than that. Travdogg is dropping Mahomes one spot per week. That means in 7 weeks Goff can claim Mahomes spot in tier 4.

 

[packer_junkie]

I really love these rankings-- read them every week and often use them as parameters when making trades.

Question: Obviously I think Nico> Puka.... but I would expect Puka back before or possibly at the same time as Nico w/ the injuries. Do you see them that far apart rest of season? I bought Puka super low after like week 2 and have been holding but am hopeful for a top 16 type WR here in a couple of weeks.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The completion percentage and passer rating stats are neat but mean little for fantasy. These last 2 games were nice, but even then, easy matchups, and a fluky receiving score really goose the numbers. He's QB10 in PPG, and that feels very unsustainable for guy who doesn't run and has topped 18 completions 1 time all season.

Goff was in the cutdown from 20, but never really came all that close to making the top-15. If anything with the Lions I kind of want to move LaPorta down, but I'm probably being too stubborn based on the state of TE

How many QBs in front of him in your rankings have Top 2 potential upside for the week? Because your most recent evidence - finished QB2 and QB1 his last two games - isn’t “nice”, those kind of booms win the matchup for the week.

 

[BassNBrew]

The completion percentage and passer rating stats are neat but mean little for fantasy. These last 2 games were nice, but even then, easy matchups, and a fluky receiving score really goose the numbers. He's QB10 in PPG, and that feels very unsustainable for guy who doesn't run and has topped 18 completions 1 time all season.

Goff was in the cutdown from 20, but never really came all that close to making the top-15. If anything with the Lions I kind of want to move LaPorta down, but I'm probably being too stubborn based on the state of TE

How many QBs in front of him in your rankings have Top 2 potential upside for the week? Because your most recent evidence - finished QB2 and QB1 his last two games - isn’t “nice”, those kind of booms win the matchup for the week.

He finished QB5 this week, behind Maye, Williams, Love, and Mayfield.

By week:

1 - 20
2 - 24
3 - 19
4 - 4

His boom this week was helpful, but not winning matchups. He's cost teams more games this year than he has won for them. I personally believe he's tier 4, but very certainly is enough evidence from this year to argue he's tier 5.

 

[FairWarning]

Not sure what Goff has to do to be in the top 15. I would have him in the top 8-10. They may need to score even more points with Hutch out and they play in a dome.

in our league's format:

• Week 4 - QB2 18 / 18 292 2 TDs 1-7-1 receiving
• Week 6 - QB1 18 / 25 315 3 TDs

no turnovers either game, dude is on a heater on the most productive offense in the NFL

set multiple NFL records Week 4, bye Week, led the team to 9 scores in 9 drives Week 6 - on the road, and was near perfect when pressured (above)

What. does. he. have. to. do?

Take away the Cowboys game and he's ranked 15th. Mahomes and Williams are right behind him. I think he should be in tier 4, but he doesn't run enough or have enough attempts to be any highe than that. Travdogg is dropping Mahomes one spot per week. That means in 7 weeks Goff can claim Mahomes spot in tier 4.

Goff doesn’t run enough true, interesting is Hurts and Lamar only have 2 TDs each.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Glad to see you finally, slowly (one foot at a time), easing off the Gibbs hopium.

Feel like you're a bit low on Zay Flowers. He doesn't have any pass-catching competition on that team, and Lamar looks to him more each week.

But yeah, his TDs may remain low with Henry, Andrews, and Lamar himself so strong when they get near the goalline.

 

[SoBeDad]

Jared Goff completed 6-of-7 passes for 178 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure against the Cowboys, his most passing yards under pressure over the last five seasons, and the most by a quarterback in a game this season.

So, can Goff have another good game versus a pressure defense like MIN? Historically, I thought Goff wasn't good under pressure.

 

[Evil G]

Zay Flowers is roughly the #15 to #18 WR in my leagues and is a PPR machine. He is top 20 with a single TD to his name.

How Kmet doesn't crack the TE list is beyond me. Put him in there at #16, or instead of Taysom, who half the time scores a goose egg. You can't start a guy who gets zero 50% of the time (except for Andrews, who didn't make the list either. 'Nuff said.)

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I'm having a hard time agreeing with Mahomes's ranking. In my 12-team, start 1 QB league, he has finished QB14, QB12, QB15, QB15, and QB14 for the weeks that the Chiefs have played. It's gotta be name-recognition, right?

Edit to add: I really appreciate the time and effort that goes into putting positional tiers together, and then the effort given when responding to our questions/concerns.

 

[travdogg]

I'm gonna lump the Jameson Williams and Jared Goff stuff together, and say I hate the Lions pass volume right now and find their recent efficiency (especially Goff's) to be 100% unsustainable. Goff doesn't run, he barely passes, and his QB2 finish is heavily goosed by an unrepeatable TD catch. Goff has faced 2 of the NFL's worst defenses the last 2 weeks. Seattle was missing their entire starting DL, and Dallas was missing 3 all-pro defenders, arguably their best 3 guys depending on how you feel about Diggs, who I find overrated).

Its possible that losing Hutchinson (who I'd argue was DPOY through 6 weeks) really sinks the defense and the Lions are actually forced to pass more often. But that's just a possibility.

 

[travdogg]

I really love these rankings-- read them every week and often use them as parameters when making trades.

Question: Obviously I think Nico> Puka.... but I would expect Puka back before or possibly at the same time as Nico w/ the injuries. Do you see them that far apart rest of season? I bought Puka super low after like week 2 and have been holding but am hopeful for a top 16 type WR here in a couple of weeks.

I think Nico is a much bigger talent than Nacua. Nico might honestly be the best WR in the AFC. He's taken a leap from even the end of last season. I like Puka, and he may be back sooner, but I don't think his ceiling is as high. I do think Puka will be a solid WR2 with upside for WR1 weeks (same as Kupp) whenever he comes back. I think Nico could be in the WR1 overall mix when he comes back.

 

[travdogg]

Glad to see you finally, slowly (one foot at a time), easing off the Gibbs hopium.

Feel like you're a bit low on Zay Flowers. He doesn't have any pass-catching competition on that team, and Lamar looks to him more each week.

But yeah, his TDs may remain low with Henry, Andrews, and Lamar himself so strong when they get near the goalline.

I feel like I'm mostly just closing the Gibbs/Monty gap. I'm honestly shocked how run heavy the Lions have been, and maybe the Hutchinson injury will open them up, but it could also make them double down trying to run out more clock, especially if teams aren't stopping the run. Can't help but think the second I put Gibbs too low, he's gonna have a monster week with a bunch of long gains. He does feel due.

Flowers is entirely dependent on the Ravens playing a team that can keep up with them. That's not a large amount of teams, so he's really boom/bust. The good thing is unlike a lot of boom/bust guys, its clearer what games to start him in.

 

[travdogg]

Zay Flowers is roughly the #15 to #18 WR in my leagues and is a PPR machine. He is top 20 with a single TD to his name.

How Kmet doesn't crack the TE list is beyond me. Put him in there at #16, or instead of Taysom, who half the time scores a goose egg. You can't start a guy who gets zero 50% of the time (except for Andrews, who didn't make the list either. 'Nuff said.)

Hill hasn't gotten zero once. He's as strong a TD candidate as any TE weekly when he plays. He's a huge part of their redzone offense, and its not a coincidence that Kamara is seeing as much redzone work as he has without Hill. Hill took 2 TDs in his last game played, and that's a lot of my expectation for him once he's back, likely in week 8.

Kmet is on the cusp, but I also think he's been a little fluky. He has 1 game over 5 targets, and is often the #4 weapon in the passing game. I think he's more a case of a guy coming off a big week, and me just not reacting to it, because I don't think its a sign of things to come. Frankly, I think Keenan Allen is more likely to be sustainable than Kmet. He's in the 15-20 range for me, and a sell high if possible.

 

[travdogg]

I'm having a hard time agreeing with Mahomes's ranking. In my 12-team, start 1 QB league, he has finished QB14, QB12, QB15, QB15, and QB14 for the weeks that the Chiefs have played. It's gotta be name-recognition, right?

Edit to add: I really appreciate the time and effort that goes into putting positional tiers together, and then the effort given when responding to our questions/concerns.

There is certainly some past history attached to Mahomes. He did have his best yardage game before the bye week. Its more a question of who I'd move up. I can see the case for Mayfield, I'm aware I' being stubborn there, I just keep expecting the rug to be pulled out when I start trusting Baker. Kyler hasn't really been better except for 1 big game a month ago, maybe Caleb, but I don't wanna just jump to that yet.

I do expect Mahomes to be better than he's been. Sure, he's been this for a bit, but its just somewhat hard to put him much lower.

 

[the moops]

Thanks for putting these together. And wow, some of you sure do have intense strong feelings about some of these rankings. Geez

 

[TheWinz]

Trav, as far as your rankings, are they how you think the players will finish fantasy-wise from week 7 thru week 17 (typically fantasy SB week)? As if the season started this week?

 

[travdogg]

Trav, as far as your rankings, are they how you think the players will finish fantasy-wise from week 7 thru week 17 (typically fantasy SB week)? As if the season started this week?

Mostly, but with a little bit of PPG added too, for example, I don't know that Nico Collins will be a top-10 guy from weeks 7-17 as he'll miss 3 more games, but he'll likely be a top-5 guy once he's back, and I'd rather have Nico Collins and have to start someone like Mooney for 3 weeks, than I would start Jaylen Reed the entire time, if that makes sense.

 

[Gally]

My issue with him is he's just not the type I value. He's all or nothing. He has 16 catches in 5 games, he plays on a run 1st team, where he's not the top option in the passing game. Over the last 3 games he has 6 catches. To me that SCREAMS regression and sell high. There is zero chance he keeps this up all season. So unless the Lions greatly change their offense (and why would they?) this feels like his ceiling, which is 20th in PPG in PPR.

I know you have gone back and forth about over Jamo but I would disagree with a couple of these statements. I do agree the volume is lower than you like to see but Jamo doesn't need volume to be effective and he fits a very specific need for the Lions that opens up their offense. They will take shots to him every game. So while it seems he "can't keep this up" I don't see why not. He will get the chances. Now I am not saying he will score a 50+ yd TD a game but what I am saying he will get that chance every game at least once. Because of that it is possible to sustain and I think he does it more often then not. He is wide open on most of those plays and I don't think it's a fluke.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Can we start getting kickers ranked here. Asking for a friend.

 

[Chaka]

Gibbs/Monty should probably be flipped at this point. You don't add two years at $9mil/year when you still have two years left on a contract unless you love a guy.

#7RB vs #13RB on a very run heavy team feels more like a fact at this point.

 

[chad in Indy]

I feel like I'm always a little above consensus on injured guys.

What about Chubb?

There is certainly some past history attached to Mahomes. He did have his best yardage game before the bye week. Its more a question of who I'd move up. I can see the case for Mayfield, I'm aware I' being stubborn there, I just keep expecting the rug to be pulled out when I start trusting Baker. Kyler hasn't really been better except for 1 big game a month ago, maybe Caleb, but I don't wanna just jump to that yet.

I do expect Mahomes to be better than he's been. Sure, he's been this for a bit, but its just somewhat hard to put him much lower.

He's getting very hard to trust. On pace for his worst career stats in almost all categories with a less talented receiving core and a defense that can win games.

 

[travdogg]

Can we start getting kickers ranked here. Asking for a friend.

I play in 5 leagues, a mix of redraft, keeper, and dynasty. Only 1 has K/Def in it, so I'm probably not the guy for that.

 

[travdogg]

Gibbs/Monty should probably be flipped at this point. You don't add two years at $9mil/year when you still have two years left on a contract unless you love a guy.

#7RB vs #13RB on a very run heavy team feels more like a fact at this point.

I hear ya, but one could just as easily argue you don't draft a RB at #12 unless you love a guy.

 

[Donnybrook]

It is going to be interesting to watch Caleb play against a defense that isn't pathetic. After starting the year against bottom dwellers, the Bears have the toughest remaining schedule. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/remaining_schedule_strength

Not sure if these rating are very good. Based on Defensive play I rather play Dallas than the NY Jets.