Travdogg's positional rankings from week 8 onward (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

QB
Tier 1:
1. Lamar Jackson (2)
2. Jayden Daniels (3)
3. Josh Allen (1), I think overall I overreacted to the Cooper trade last week. Not by what happened Sunday, just in general, as I didn't really give myself time to really think about, just reacted quickly. I don't think the Bills offense as being as good as the Ravens/Commanders going forward.

Tier 2:
4. Jordan Love (4)
5. Joe Burrow (6)
6. Jalen Hurts (5)
7. CJ Stroud (7)

Tier 3:
8. Kyler Murray (10), has broken some long TD runs of late, and while I won't promise those continue, its nice to see the chance of those back in his game. Still think the passing can get better, as he's 45 YPG below his career average, and even 34 YPG behind last season in this very offense.
9. Dak Prescott (8)
10. Patrick Mahomes (9)

Tier 4:
11. Baker Mayfield (11)
12. Geno Smith (15), leads the NFL in passing yards, and has good target depth. Don't think Metcalf injury is serious.
13. Jared Goff (NR), extreme efficiency of late. You'd like to see about 10 more attempts per game, but Goff has turned it on after a poor start.
14. Brock Purdy (13)
15. Caleb Williams (14)

Dropped off: Justin Fields (12), lost his starting job to Wilson. If something happens to Wilson, he'd instantly be back on the list.

 

[travdogg]

RB
Tier 1:
1. Derrick Henry (1)
2. Saquon Barkley (2)
3. Kyren Williams (4)
4. Alvin Kamara (3)

Tier 2:
5. Joe Mixon (5)
6. Kenneth Walker (6)
7. Jonathan Taylor (7)
8. Jahmyr Gibbs (9)
9. Bijan Robinson (10)
10. Breece Hall (12)
11. Christian McCaffrey (13)

Tier 3:
12. David Montgomery (14)
13. James Cook (8), Cook came back to his usual role after Ray Davis breakout week, but I get a little bit of a squeamish feeling that it could trend more toward RB2 numbers than the elite stuff he was posting early. Only 3-26 receiving in last 3 games.
14. De'Von Achane (15)

Tier 4:
15. Aaron Jones (11), more about me wanting to move Hall, CMC, Monty, and Achane up, than anything about Jones. He's a high-end RB2. I do wonder if his receiving takes a hit with Hockenson back?
16. D'Andre Swift (18)
17. Josh Jacobs (17)

Tier 5:
18. Brian Robinson (21), I think his smaller workload has been easing him back in from his knee injury, but his effectiveness has been solid, and he's a TD threat every week. In some ways, he's like Monty but in an offense where the QB takes some of the rushing.
19. James Conner (19)
20. Tony Pollard (16), Spears is closer to coming back, and this is a bad offense regardless of QB. Pollard has a solid floor, but his ceiling isn't very high.
21. Chase Brown (24)

Tier 6:
22. JK Dobbins (22)
23. Chuba Hubbard (23)
24. Nick Chubb (25)

Tier 7:
25. Jordan Mason (20), CMC's return is looming, and Mason himself is perhaps wearing down.
26. Isiah Pacheco (26)
27. Tank Bigsby (30)

Tier 8:
28. Kareem Hunt (NR), he's on a bit of a volume/TD heater, but he's not a good RB. I still think its Pacheco's job the second he's back, and he's been sprinting this week, so he's getting closer. Still think he's a sell-high, but he is a solid RB2 at the moment.
29. Najee Harris (28)
30. Rhamondre Stevenson (27)

Dropped off: Bucky Irving (29), its a 3-man RBBC, and while I think Bucky is the most talented one, its not exactly an offense I'm excited to invest in.

 

[travdogg]

WR
Tier 1:
1. AJ Brown (1)
2. Ja'Marr Chase (2)
3. Justin Jefferson (4)
4. Malik Nabers (3)
5. Amon-Ra St. Brown (5)
6. CeeDee Lamb (6)

Tier 2:
7. Nico Collins (10)
8. Drake London (7)
9. Stefon Diggs (12)
10. Deebo Samuel (23), has to get over his illness (which might not be for a week or 2) but his splits without Aiyuk are extreme. Tier 1 level target shares and YPRR.
11. Davante Adams (15)
12. Tyreek Hill (9)

Tier 3:
13. Cooper Kupp (18)
14. Tee Higgins (25), has both more targets and catches than Chase since he came back. Just doesn't have Chase's elite RAC ability.
15. DK Metcalf (14)
16. Mike Evans (19)
17. Terry McLaurin (24), keeps moving his way up, and even had 98 yards with Mariota. Probably doesn't have much ceiling above this, but he's a steady WR2, and he was drafted as a WR4 in some leagues.
18. Garrett Wilson (20)
19. DeVonta Smith (13)
20. Marvin Harrison (8), still a huge believer in his talent, but the offense is just FAR too conservative right now. Its probably 50-50 if that changes, as Arizona isn't a great team, and Kyler is typically a gunslinger by nature. I think he's a decent buy-low still if owners are panicking, but he's a WR2 not the elite WR we were hoping for...yet.

Tier 4:
21. Jayden Reed (17)
22. Brian Thomas (27)
23. DJ Moore (21)
24. Chris Olave (22)
25. Puka Nacua (26)

Tier 5:
26. Diontae Johnson (28)
27. Zay Flowers (32)
28. Jaylen Waddle (30)

Tier 6:
29. Jameson Williams (31)
30. George Pickens (37), certainly benefitted instantly from Russell Wilson starting. While the big plays indicate a higher ceiling, this is still a run 1st offense, that wins with defense.
31. Amari Cooper (16), I'm expecting a bit of a WRBC approach. He's at the top, but I think plugging him into something close to the Diggs role was an in the moment overreaction.
32. Michael Pittman (34)

Tier 7:
33. Darnell Mooney (33)
34. Jordan Addison (40)
35. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (35)

Tier 8:
36. Xavier Worthy (39)
37. Jakobi Meyers (NR), someone has to catch passes while trailing besides Bowers. Meyers is a good target earner, and can be a PPR scam. Has at least 5 catches (and 9 targets) in every game without Adams.
38. Ladd McConkey (NR), been on the edge on the top-40. I think injuries limited him this past week, but I think he's Chargers clear #1 and should only get better as the season wears on.
39. Rome Odunze (NR), been teetering around the last cutoff, injuries push him up. I'm a bit of a believer in the post-bye rookie bump, and I don't really trust Kmet to be as involved as he's been of late.
40. Tank Dell (36)

Dropped off: Chris Godwin (11), really sad to see, especially in a contract year. Brandon Aiyuk (29), good thing he got paid this offseason. Rashid Shaheed (38), was a fun flier this season, who maybe is still the #2 again next season with NO in cap hell.

 

[travdogg]

TE
Tier 1:
1. George Kittle (4), is kinda the last man standing right now in SF. His splits when either Aiyuk or Deebo are out are TE1 overall levels, and its spiked even more without CMC.
2. Brock Bowers (2)
3. Trey McBride (3)
4. Travis Kelce (1), bit of a stinker after 2 high usage weeks, the issue is he's clearly slowed down. He's obviously gonna score some TDs soon, but the ceiling post-Rice isn't looking as high as hoped.

Tier 2:
5. Jake Ferguson (5)
6. Sam LaPorta (6)
7. Dalton Kincaid (14), role showed no change with the Cooper trade. Upside is limited, but he's seen 6+ targets in 4 straight, and is actually playing better than last season, just seeing less balls.
8. TJ Hockenson (8)

Tier 3:
9. Dallas Goedert (9)
10. David Njoku (7)
11. Kyle Pitts (10)
12. Evan Engram (12)

Tier 4:
13. Cole Kmet (NR), he's earned a spot on the list, but man I don't trust him at all. TE being what it is, he may not be a sell-high, but he's certainly been at his ceiling.
14. Tucker Kraft (11)
15. Taysom Hill (13)

Dropped off: Isaiah Likely (15), Andrews has been resurrected, and Kolar plays a higher number of snaps than Likely or Andrews owners would like. Its TEBC.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

1. I stand corrected on Mixon. What a beast.
2. Baker Mayfield's ranking unchanged even though Godwin out for the year and Evans looking at an extended absence? Goff feels like he should be above Mayfield.
3. I know RB looks crowded...but dropping Aaron Jones who has take control of that backfield and has a career full of high efficiency work. Tough crowd.
4. With Tua back, Tyreek at #12 is worth revisting, no?
5. Njoku with Winston in/Watson out feels at the very least like a high upside optimistic play.

 

[need2know]

I think you crazy to leave danlies that high and andrews needs to be higher at te

 

[TheWinz]

I think you crazy to leave danlies that high and andrews needs to be higher at te

It took me a moment to figure out who Danlies was

 

[ShamrockPride]

As far as TE goes, idk man....I gotta put Bowers on top. The targets are out of this world right now. As good as you'll find for any pass catcher in the league, and (so far) much less injury-prone than Kittle.

I also think Hunter Henry should be entering the TE list. Obviously more evidence needed, but he's looking like a Maye favorite.

 

[TheWinz]

Surprised to see Cade Otton left off the TE list. He's top 15 in every category (for the per game stats, I included all TE's who've played in at least 4 games):
Catches - 5th (tied)
Catches per game - 9th (tied)
Targets - 4th
Targets per game - 7th
Yards - 11th (tied)
Yards per game - 15th (tied)
TD's - 10th (tied)(only 9 have more than 1)
PPR FP - 10th
PPR PPG - 14th

Cade was useless for the first 2 games, but since the start of week 3, he is TE5. With the injuries to Evans & Godwin, I would certainly make room for him in the top 15, where he already sits stat-wise.

 

[travdogg]

1. I stand corrected on Mixon. What a beast.
2. Baker Mayfield's ranking unchanged even though Godwin out for the year and Evans looking at an extended absence? Goff feels like he should be above Mayfield.
3. I know RB looks crowded...but dropping Aaron Jones who has take control of that backfield and has a career full of high efficiency work. Tough crowd.
4. With Tua back, Tyreek at #12 is worth revisting, no?
5. Njoku with Winston in/Watson out feels at the very least like a high upside optimistic play.

Big fan of Aaron Jones, he's always been my guy and I think he's a top-5 NFL RB. I just think the guys above him have higher ceilings (almost nobody has a higher floor) and I do have some small concern about Hockenson taking those short catches Jones was getting. Wouldn't argue against someone having him 3 spots higher. I just don't think he has Monty's TD upside or Cook/Achane's big play upside. He probably does have a higher floor than any of them though.

I've been ranking all Dolphins as if Tua was always gonna be back in week 8. I never really even considered the possibility he wouldn't be. I've lost some faith in McDaniel in the meantime. Could certainly argue Hill 5 spots higher.

Baker is tough because while obviously Godwin and to a lesser extent Evans are huge losses, I think that offense still runs through Mayfield, and he's been so productive. He's also been rushing more than ever. I'm not against having Goff higher, but I think Baker can make it work for a couple weeks spreading it around until Evans is back.

I actually wonder if going from Watson to Winston is good for Njoku. I know Winston threw the TD to Njoku this week, but Watson was a checkdown guy, and Jameis has never and will never be that. It likely doesn't hurt Njoku, but the winners from Watson going down are probably the WRs, which feel like Jeudy and Tillman to me. Tillman especially feels like a guy who could crack the top-40 in due time.

 

[travdogg]

I think you crazy to leave danlies that high and andrews needs to be higher at te

Why is it crazy to have Daniels that high? He's been QB3 overall so far, and his injury doesn't seem like something likely to keep him out more than a game if that even.

Andrews feels like an excellent sell-high to me. Its a 3-TE show, and while Lamar is having an excellent year, he's not throwing 5 TDs every week, and likely won't again this season. Andrews feels a lot like Cole Kmet does to me, but with even more risk. Been a great waiver pickup though for people who nabbed him when he was cut in many leagues.

 

[travdogg]

As far as TE goes, idk man....I gotta put Bowers on top. The targets are out of this world right now. As good as you'll find for any pass catcher in the league, and (so far) much less injury-prone than Kittle.

I also think Hunter Henry should be entering the TE list. Obviously more evidence needed, but he's looking like a Maye favorite.

My concern with Bowers is 100% Minshew being FAR worse than Purdy. Kittle's splits with Aiyuk or Deebo out are so huge, and not a small sample as one of them has missed time every season since 2020. I almost made them their own tier. Huge Bowers fan. I actually have them both in a dynasty league and have started both a couple times.

Its possible I'm being stubborn or just expecting something else to happen, but Henry wasn't even in my cut down from 20 to 15. I kinda throw out last week for Henry, as the Jags pass defense over the middle is as bad as I've seen in ages. Its also why I'm not super reacting to what Kmet/Allen did against the Jags in London, they simply can't cover the middle at all. Also gave up big games to Khalil Shakir, Josh Downs, and even Jerry Jeudy. Jags play GB this week, and I'm fully expecting Kraft/Reed to have nice weeks.

 

[travdogg]

Surprised to see Cade Otton left off the TE list. He's top 15 in every category (for the per game stats, I included all TE's who've played in at least 4 games):
Catches - 5th (tied)
Catches per game - 9th (tied)
Targets - 4th
Targets per game - 7th
Yards - 11th (tied)
Yards per game - 15th (tied)
TD's - 10th (tied)(only 9 have more than 1)
PPR FP - 10th
PPR PPG - 14th

Cade was useless for the first 2 games, but since the start of week 3, he is TE5. With the injuries to Evans & Godwin, I would certainly make room for him in the top 15, where he already sits stat-wise.

He was in my 20 to 15 cutdown. I'm not sure the injuries around him help him much, as he'll also likely see increased attention, as opposed to being mostly ignored. I was impressed by some of his tough catches last night though. He's in that just missed bucket with guys like Freiermuth and Ertz.

 

[BespokeJort]

Brian Thomas is still low. Wr6 overall in half ppr, on an upward trajectory, and Lawrence and the team haven’t even been good. They put anything at all together and he’s due for a big spike week

 

[Judge Smails]

Just traded Hunt for Pickens since you were so down on him. No pressure, ‘Dogg!

 

[FairWarning]

1. I stand corrected on Mixon. What a beast.
2. Baker Mayfield's ranking unchanged even though Godwin out for the year and Evans looking at an extended absence? Goff feels like he should be above Mayfield.
3. I know RB looks crowded...but dropping Aaron Jones who has take control of that backfield and has a career full of high efficiency work. Tough crowd.
4. With Tua back, Tyreek at #12 is worth revisting, no?
5. Njoku with Winston in/Watson out feels at the very least like a high upside optimistic play.

Love Mixon, just has to stay healthy.

 

[need2know]

I think you crazy to leave danlies that high and andrews needs to be higher at te

Why is it crazy to have Daniels that high? He's been QB3 overall so far, and his injury doesn't seem like something likely to keep him out more than a game if that even.

Andrews feels like an excellent sell-high to me. Its a 3-TE show, and while Lamar is having an excellent year, he's not throwing 5 TDs every week, and likely won't again this season. Andrews feels a lot like Cole Kmet does to me, but with even more risk. Been a great waiver pickup though for people who nabbed him when he was cut in many leagues.

That injury could easily be more than a game. I own him and hope you are right

 

[sho nuff]

Where are we putting D Hop now?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

 

[need2know]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

Yeah any cracks and he’ll drop like a rock. Remember Purdy last year? Groundswell support then he played the Ravens.

Goff’s lone cold weather game is Week 16 at Chicago. Next week we go back to Levi’s. Then probably playing for something Week 18 home vs MIN.

That’s if he stays on this heater all year. Who knows, maybe he got his always-happens-2-games-a-year bad ones out of the way earlier.

I know one thing. Ben Johnson isn’t the one ripping daggers while a DE is swiping across. Goff’s deep ball has been insane this year. Perhaps announcers could, at some point, acknowledge the schematic advantage and talent around him - key ingredients, to be sure - are not the sole reasons he is playing at a historically good level.

 

[travdogg]

Brian Thomas is still low. Wr6 overall in half ppr, on an upward trajectory, and Lawrence and the team haven’t even been good. They put anything at all together and he’s due for a big spike week

I don't totally disagree with any of this, but its a lot of ifs coming together. If Lawrence plays better, if the Jags put it together, and if Thomas sees the playing time he should, he's still seeing fewer snaps/routes than Gabe Davis.

There is definitely top-15 upside with Thomas but like with Jayden Reed (which is a reason why I tier then together) there are some issues that suggest this could be the peak more than the floor.

 

[travdogg]

Just traded Hunt for Pickens since you were so down on him. No pressure, ‘Dogg!

I think you'll be fine with that deal, though I would have guessed you could have gotten Pickens plus though.

 

[travdogg]

I think you crazy to leave danlies that high and andrews needs to be higher at te

Why is it crazy to have Daniels that high? He's been QB3 overall so far, and his injury doesn't seem like something likely to keep him out more than a game if that even.

Andrews feels like an excellent sell-high to me. Its a 3-TE show, and while Lamar is having an excellent year, he's not throwing 5 TDs every week, and likely won't again this season. Andrews feels a lot like Cole Kmet does to me, but with even more risk. Been a great waiver pickup though for people who nabbed him when he was cut in many leagues.

That injury could easily be more than a game. I own him and hope you are right

Even if it is 2 games (and it might be zero) "crazy" is a stretch. Not like I ranked Kirk Cousins at #2 or something like that. Daniels has been QB3 and might have been QB2 if he'd finished that game, as if Mariota could go for 20, Daniels was gonna breeze by 30.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Have you ever not wanted to open a thread because your team is so full of holes and injuries that you're going to cry when you read the weekly rankings?
You're brave TDogg, I almost don't want to look any more with all the big name WRs going down across all my rosters
I know I can't be alone or the only one out here that is absorbing that
Good job keeping up with all this

 

[travdogg]

Where are we putting D Hop now?

He's on the top-40 radar. I will say, its highly unrealistic to expect Rashee Rice like production. Hopkins has never been that great of a RAC guy (out of 105 qualifiers he's 104th in YAC/catch this season) and Mahomes isn't one who throws many jump balls. I know JuJu had that 1 nice game, but that always felt fluky, as JuJu had multiple plays in that game where he was basically uncovered.

If he looks healthy, I'd guess he'll probably be somewhere in the 30's next week. But he also could be the #3 option on an increasingly low upside offense. I like him a lot less than Adams, and a bit less than Cooper. I'd say low-end WR3 is the most likely scenario, with maybe some top-25 upside if everything breaks right, and Mahomes gets back to normal.

As an aside, speaking of WR trade candidates, a lot of people were hoping for Kupp to KC (which never passed mustard to me) but Kupp to TB makes a ton of sense if that happens, as the 2024 Godwin role, was basically modeled after Kupp, as TB OC Liam Coen was on the Rams staff as a WR coach/QB coach/OC throughout Kupp's career.

 

[sho nuff]

Yeah. He is my 4 now after losing Aiyuk (after already having lost Rice) who never really lived up to being my #2. Have AJ Brown, Pickens and Cooper. But those latter two don’t give me a ton of confidence game to game.
Not expecting Rice production…hoping he becomes more consistent than Pickens and Cooper or Cooper gels with Allen going forward.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

Yeah any cracks and he’ll drop like a rock. Remember Purdy last year? Groundswell support then he played the Ravens.

Goff’s lone cold weather game is Week 16 at Chicago. Next week we go back to Levi’s. Then probably playing for something Week 18 home vs MIN.

That’s if he stays on this heater all year. Who knows, maybe he got his always-happens-2-games-a-year bad ones out of the way earlier.

I know one thing. Ben Johnson isn’t the one ripping daggers while a DE is swiping across. Goff’s deep ball has been insane this year. Perhaps announcers could, at some point, acknowledge the schematic advantage and talent around him - key ingredients, to be sure - are not the sole reasons he is playing at a historically good level.

Goff has so many weapons to choose from, and he has a really good OL plus two RBs who can tote the rock. He could still have “Goff moments” eventually, but the dude is set up for success.

 

[travdogg]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

I can't see a single good reason to have him ahead of Lamar, Daniels, or even Henry for MVP.

He's running hot this last month, but it feels so fragile. He should have had 3 turnovers against the Vikings but had 0. He's been catching a lot of breaks. Not as many as Josh Allen (who has 0 INT's despite being more reckless as a passer than he was last season when he was 2nd in the NFL with 18) but these things tend to even out over time.

I will say Ben Johnson is certainly looking like the #1 HC candidate this offseason. Guys are wide open constantly, which isn't to say Goff isn't hitting them, but much like Purdy (or Tua) last season, the degree of difficulty is much lower than most QBs have it. Much like those guys, Goff is doing his part (its not like just anyone could do it) but I hesitate to put him in the MVP conversation.

ETA: I should read the thread all the way through instead of going one by one, you addressed the fragility I was talking about, and the Purdy similarity.

 

[travdogg]

Have you ever not wanted to open a thread because your team is so full of holes and injuries that you're going to cry when you read the weekly rankings?
You're brave TDogg, I almost don't want to look any more with all the big name WRs going down across all my rosters
I know I can't be alone or the only one out here that is absorbing that
Good job keeping up with all this

As someone whose 2 biggest player ownership shares this season are/were Jayden Daniels and Chris Godwin, it wasn't the most fun week last week. As someone whose 2 biggest ownership shares after that are Amon-Ra and Achane, I'm ever optimistic things are looking up.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

Yeah any cracks and he’ll drop like a rock. Remember Purdy last year? Groundswell support then he played the Ravens.

Goff’s lone cold weather game is Week 16 at Chicago. Next week we go back to Levi’s. Then probably playing for something Week 18 home vs MIN.

That’s if he stays on this heater all year. Who knows, maybe he got his always-happens-2-games-a-year bad ones out of the way earlier.

I know one thing. Ben Johnson isn’t the one ripping daggers while a DE is swiping across. Goff’s deep ball has been insane this year. Perhaps announcers could, at some point, acknowledge the schematic advantage and talent around him - key ingredients, to be sure - are not the sole reasons he is playing at a historically good level.

Goff has so many weapons to choose from, and he has a really good OL plus two RBs who can tote the rock. He could still have “Goff moments” eventually, but the dude is set up for success.

None of those ancillary factors are helping him put up historic numbers when pressured. That vaunted OL, still a premium unit in the run game, has been decidedly middle class (14tg) in pass pro. Goff saw pressure at a higher rate than any QB this season in the Vikings game, and played out of his mind.

But I get it. Doesn’t fit the traditional narrative about 16 so it has to be attributed to the soft spoken savant from North Carolina.

Never mind he was the guy has resurrected his career in a way that is extraordinarily rare. Jim Plunkett & Rich Gannon come to mind.

Goff isn’t just painting by numbers out there. He deserves more credit than what the mssm gives him.

 

[rockaction]

Hopkins has never been that great of a RAC guy (out of 105 qualifiers he's 104th in YAC/catch this season) and Mahomes isn't one who throws many jump balls. I know JuJu had that 1 nice game, but that always felt fluky, as JuJu had multiple plays in that game where he was basically uncovered.

Ugh. It’s that bad, huh? I talked about it in the Kupp thread, but I didn’t realized how low the YAC/catch was for Hopkins.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

Yeah any cracks and he’ll drop like a rock. Remember Purdy last year? Groundswell support then he played the Ravens.

Goff’s lone cold weather game is Week 16 at Chicago. Next week we go back to Levi’s. Then probably playing for something Week 18 home vs MIN.

That’s if he stays on this heater all year. Who knows, maybe he got his always-happens-2-games-a-year bad ones out of the way earlier.

I know one thing. Ben Johnson isn’t the one ripping daggers while a DE is swiping across. Goff’s deep ball has been insane this year. Perhaps announcers could, at some point, acknowledge the schematic advantage and talent around him - key ingredients, to be sure - are not the sole reasons he is playing at a historically good level.

Goff has so many weapons to choose from, and he has a really good OL plus two RBs who can tote the rock. He could still have “Goff moments” eventually, but the dude is set up for success.

None of those ancillary factors are helping him put up historic numbers when pressured. That vaunted OL, still a premium unit in the run game, has been decidedly middle class (14tg) in pass pro. Goff saw pressure at a higher rate than any QB this season in the Vikings game, and played out of his mind.

But I get it. Doesn’t fit the traditional narrative about 16 so it has to be attributed to the soft spoken savant from North Carolina.

Never mind he was the guy has resurrected his career in a way that is extraordinarily rare. Jim Plunkett & Rich Gannon come to mind.

Goff isn’t just painting by numbers out there. He deserves more credit than what the mssm gives him.

Just to be clear, my comments weren’t meant as criticism of Goff. Rather, I think those factors paired with how Goff is making decisions suggest that Goff can sustain his exceptional performance.

 

[travdogg]

Hopkins has never been that great of a RAC guy (out of 105 qualifiers he's 104th in YAC/catch this season) and Mahomes isn't one who throws many jump balls. I know JuJu had that 1 nice game, but that always felt fluky, as JuJu had multiple plays in that game where he was basically uncovered.

Ugh. It’s that bad, huh? I talked about it in the Kupp thread, but I didn’t realized how low the YAC/catch was for Hopkins.

Only Polk has been worse.

 

[efactor]

Hopkins has never been that great of a RAC guy (out of 105 qualifiers he's 104th in YAC/catch this season) and Mahomes isn't one who throws many jump balls. I know JuJu had that 1 nice game, but that always felt fluky, as JuJu had multiple plays in that game where he was basically uncovered.

Ugh. It’s that bad, huh? I talked about it in the Kupp thread, but I didn’t realized how low the YAC/catch was for Hopkins.

Only Polk has been worse.

But Polk does have the best hands in the league, so hope springs eternal

 

[Stealthycat]

29. Najee Harris (28)

19th ranked RB in my league is 28 ?? hmmmm we'll see

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

Yeah any cracks and he’ll drop like a rock. Remember Purdy last year? Groundswell support then he played the Ravens.

Goff’s lone cold weather game is Week 16 at Chicago. Next week we go back to Levi’s. Then probably playing for something Week 18 home vs MIN.

That’s if he stays on this heater all year. Who knows, maybe he got his always-happens-2-games-a-year bad ones out of the way earlier.

I know one thing. Ben Johnson isn’t the one ripping daggers while a DE is swiping across. Goff’s deep ball has been insane this year. Perhaps announcers could, at some point, acknowledge the schematic advantage and talent around him - key ingredients, to be sure - are not the sole reasons he is playing at a historically good level.

Goff has so many weapons to choose from, and he has a really good OL plus two RBs who can tote the rock. He could still have “Goff moments” eventually, but the dude is set up for success.

None of those ancillary factors are helping him put up historic numbers when pressured. That vaunted OL, still a premium unit in the run game, has been decidedly middle class (14tg) in pass pro. Goff saw pressure at a higher rate than any QB this season in the Vikings game, and played out of his mind.

But I get it. Doesn’t fit the traditional narrative about 16 so it has to be attributed to the soft spoken savant from North Carolina.

Never mind he was the guy has resurrected his career in a way that is extraordinarily rare. Jim Plunkett & Rich Gannon come to mind.

Goff isn’t just painting by numbers out there. He deserves more credit than what the mssm gives him.

Just to be clear, my comments weren’t meant as criticism of Goff. Rather, I think those factors paired with how Goff is making decisions suggest that Goff can sustain his exceptional performance.

Oh that was rain? I had no idea it was raining. Thanks for letting me know! Sorry for thinking you were taking a leak there.

I kid, I kid - ya know us Lions [fans, we] are wholly unaccustomed to excellence or greatness. Someone talks about Detroit it’s a conditioned response to presume danger danger Will Robinson.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Jared Goff was under pressure on a season-high 51.7% of his dropbacks against the Vikings, finishing 10-of-11 for 164 yards and 2 touchdowns under pressure.

Goff is averaging a league-high 11.6 YPA under pressure this season; no other QB is over 9.0.

You’re good enough for Detroit.

#mvp

Feels like he peaking too early. No way he keeps this up all year. But hey im rooting for ya

Yeah any cracks and he’ll drop like a rock. Remember Purdy last year? Groundswell support then he played the Ravens.

Goff’s lone cold weather game is Week 16 at Chicago. Next week we go back to Levi’s. Then probably playing for something Week 18 home vs MIN.

That’s if he stays on this heater all year. Who knows, maybe he got his always-happens-2-games-a-year bad ones out of the way earlier.

I know one thing. Ben Johnson isn’t the one ripping daggers while a DE is swiping across. Goff’s deep ball has been insane this year. Perhaps announcers could, at some point, acknowledge the schematic advantage and talent around him - key ingredients, to be sure - are not the sole reasons he is playing at a historically good level.

Goff has so many weapons to choose from, and he has a really good OL plus two RBs who can tote the rock. He could still have “Goff moments” eventually, but the dude is set up for success.

None of those ancillary factors are helping him put up historic numbers when pressured. That vaunted OL, still a premium unit in the run game, has been decidedly middle class (14tg) in pass pro. Goff saw pressure at a higher rate than any QB this season in the Vikings game, and played out of his mind.

But I get it. Doesn’t fit the traditional narrative about 16 so it has to be attributed to the soft spoken savant from North Carolina.

Never mind he was the guy has resurrected his career in a way that is extraordinarily rare. Jim Plunkett & Rich Gannon come to mind.

Goff isn’t just painting by numbers out there. He deserves more credit than what the mssm gives him.

Just to be clear, my comments weren’t meant as criticism of Goff. Rather, I think those factors paired with how Goff is making decisions suggest that Goff can sustain his exceptional performance.

Oh that was rain? I had no idea it was raining. Thanks for letting me know! Sorry for thinking you were taking a leak there.

I kid, I kid - ya know us Lions are wholly unaccustomed to excellence or greatness. Someone talks about Detroit it’s a conditioned response to presume danger danger Will Robinson.

Fair enough BL. Goff gets too much criticism and not enough love. While my loyalty is always to the Pack, I really enjoy seeing this Detroit team play!

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I expected Jayden Reed to be higher than tier 4 / WR21.

What's up there? Is it the uncertainty of the GB WR corp?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I expected Jayden Reed to be higher than tier 4 / WR21.

What's up there? Is it the uncertainty of the GB WR corp?

Expert Consensus Ranking for RoS is WR9 for Reed

1. Jefferson
2. Chase
3. ARSB
4. Lamb
5. AJ Brown
6. Nabers
7. London
8. Tyreek
9. Reed
10. Collins
11. McLaurin
12. Adams

 

[VikingFrog]

I expected Jayden Reed to be higher than tier 4 / WR21.

What's up there? Is it the uncertainty of the GB WR corp?

Expert Consensus Ranking for RoS is WR9 for Reed

1. Jefferson
2. Chase
3. ARSB
4. Lamb
5. AJ Brown
6. Nabers
7. London
8. Tyreek
9. Reed
10. Collins
11. McLaurin
12. Adams

Is Puca 0. ?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I expected Jayden Reed to be higher than tier 4 / WR21.

What's up there? Is it the uncertainty of the GB WR corp?

Expert Consensus Ranking for RoS is WR9 for Reed

1. Jefferson
2. Chase
3. ARSB
4. Lamb
5. AJ Brown
6. Nabers
7. London
8. Tyreek
9. Reed
10. Collins
11. McLaurin
12. Adams

Is Puca 0. ?

ECR was WR29 when the rankings were gathered before TNF & nobody knew if/how much he might play

Let's give them a week to true it up

 

[BobbyLayne]

This didn't age well

EXPERT NOTE​

Nacua has been activated and will play tonight, per reports. It's impossible to feel confident in starting Nacua tonight with his snap share and role a mystery. If your team is decimated by injuries, I understand if you're forced to start him, but I wouldn't feel great about it. You're hoping that he spikes a touchdown in what could be a limited snap role in Week 8. The Vikings have allowed the second-most receiving yards per game and the eighth-most fantasy points per game to perimeter wide receivers.

 

[Insein]

Surprised no Cade Otton in your TE rankings considering his MNF performance and the loss of Godwin and Evans for a month.

 

[travdogg]

I expected Jayden Reed to be higher than tier 4 / WR21.

What's up there? Is it the uncertainty of the GB WR corp?

I think he's an extremely boom/bust player who was living off unsustainable efficiency. I think his week 1 numbers are every bit as likely in a given week as his last week's numbers.

Personally, I think he's GB's best WR, and should be featured as such, but its clear they don't think that, as he frequently is the #3 guy in snaps and routes. He basically only plays in 3-WR sets.

Unless his role changes (or one of the other WRs get injured) he's more likely to move down than up for me.

ETA: I wish they featured him more, he's a playmaker for sure.

 

[Ray_T]

Surprised no Cade Otton in your TE rankings considering his MNF performance and the loss of Godwin and Evans for a month.

yeah, I think he needs to be on the list somewhere.

 

[BassNBrew]

LOL - As I predicted, another week, another one slot drop for Mahommes. Not sure if there are enough games left to get to his rightful position.

 

[BlackCrowes]

LOL - As I predicted, another week, another one slot drop for Mahommes. Not sure if there are enough games left to get to his rightful position.

Finally dropped him for Caleb

 

[BobbyLayne]

He should have had 3 turnovers against the Vikings but had 0.

nope

PFF graded him as having two (2) turnover worthy plays (TWP).

• One was a fumble that he regained control of in a few tenths of a second (ball came out and he literally had two hands on it as he was going to the ground.)
• The other was a Will Levis decision to arm going forward fumble it to where a gaggle of 3 Detroit OL were gathered (2 had just turnstyled their man, the 3rd was Frank asking WTH man.) Neither fumble was ever in danger of being recovered.
• None were related to a thrown ball leaving the pocket with the intention of being completed.
• Three incompletions; two were tipped/batted balls, and neither were turnover worthy.

1. first incompletion 7:52 3rd Q
   - was 15 of 15 up to then. tipped pass intended for LaPorta; ball was redirected upward and was still directly online with the target. not a TWP.
2. second incompletion 6:04 4thQ
   - was 20 of 21 up to then. short pass over the middle to Monty, touch low but hit him in the hands. Van Ginkel tipped it on the way out which is why it was basically uncatchable. not a TWP.
3. third incompletion 5:14 4th Q
   - next pass attempt was a sail route up the left side to Raymond which was caught OOB. caused by Van Ginkel moving him off his spot. only bad throw of the game out of 25 ATT. not a TWP.
   
   That covers all of his Week 7 incompletions, and none of them were TWP.
   
   
4. fumble #1 11:52 4th Q
   - blitz, Greenard 2-hand swipes the turnstyle and drills Goff, arms over the top tip the ball out, Goff gets lucky because ball (which ain't round) bounces off the turg directly into his stomach. Was never close to being recovered, but that is some incredible horseshoe luck, def a deserved 1st TWP.
5. fumble #2 5:07 4th Q
   -4-man rush, 2 DL get through, JG spins away from Greenard and Van Ginkel on a stunt twist hits him as he is trying to get it to Gibbs in the flat. ball flies directly to where the Ragnow & the 2 OL who got beat are standing, the Pro Ball C falls on it. Though it was never at risk of being recovered, that's a Will Levis kind of error, def a twp, def lucky, officially the 2nd TWP.

That's it. Two TWP, and while he did get "lucky" to not turn it over, the fact is the Vikings never got near either ball. Not even close to being. a turnover.

You must think one of the 3 contested catches to Amon-Ra St Brown was too risky and those were TWP? PFF did not grade them as such. If you think Goff throwing to ARSB in a tight window is unacceptable risk, then you [have not] watched much Lions film. BTW, those were the only 3 times Goff threw into tight coverage Week 7.

Oh, but he's setup for success, they have the best offensive line in the league. They are road graders, but in pass protection this year they are ranked 14th.

Frank Ragnow had the best game of the week at C, Glasgow at RG was good, and Penei was his usual self (1 sack in his last 1289 snaps). 3 pressures between those stalwarts.

LT Decker (6 pressures) and RG Kayode Awosika (backup in for Zeitler, 4 pressures) were hot garbage. The RBs were assigned blitz pickup 5x and gave up 3 pressures.

LaPorta (4), Wright (2), and Patrick (the TD to St Brown) were a perfect 7/7 when Ragnow asked them to cover the blitz.

Vikings blitzed on 17 of 29 (58.6) drop backs per PFF which resulted in 1 (one) sack. Highest blitz rate any QB has faced this year.

15/16 165 TD 130.5
(not a surprise, Goff has always been a blitz beater - he knows where the hot read is, that's why his time to throw was 2.31. That's his bread n butter, getting the ball out on time & on target.)

Goff was under pressure 16 times (55.1%). Highest of any QB in the NFL this season. 4 sacks.

11/13 156 TD 142.3
(This is the part that is new; Jared Goff has always wilted under pressure. This year he's like "oh, you're swiping across my arm, no worries, lemme just shuffle up & rip a bullet." )

When pressured this season - not blitzed, but actual felt pressure - Jared Goff currently leads all qualified quarterbacks in:

• yards per attempt (11.6) - next highest is 9.0
• completion percentage (71.6%)
• CPOE (+9.6%)
• passer rating (125.7)