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[Dynasty] 2018 Draft Class (3 Viewers)
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BigTex
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Catching up with everything.
Weakest WR draft I've seen in a while. No can't-miss talent. Some of the day two guys look worse than day three guys from other years.
2-3 good TEs.
Deep RB draft. Obviously Barkley is locked in as the #1 guy. Penny and Michel will be favored for the next spots because of their draft slots, but really I see the next cluster as being pretty similar to them in terms of talent level and potential, so I'm tempted to lump the next 7 backs after Barkley into the same tier. Solving that group is probably key to the rookie draft, as you're going to have options and not all of these guys are going to hit.
Weakest WR draft I've seen in a while. No can't-miss talent. Some of the day two guys look worse than day three guys from other years.
2-3 good TEs.
Deep RB draft. Obviously Barkley is locked in as the #1 guy. Penny and Michel will be favored for the next spots because of their draft slots, but really I see the next cluster as being pretty similar to them in terms of talent level and potential, so I'm tempted to lump the next 7 backs after Barkley into the same tier. Solving that group is probably key to the rookie draft, as you're going to have options and not all of these guys are going to hit.
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Hankmoody
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Indy's problem was talent, not philosophy. Two TE's can work, that's been proven, they just have to not stink.
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Really quick RB/WR/TE tiers with thoughts on each player.
RB Saquon Barkley, Giants - Count yourself lucky if you have the 1.01 pick this year. Slam dunk pick here. Could even be the #1 overall startup pick.
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RB Nick Chubb, Browns - Before the injury, he looked like a top 10 NFL draft pick. Still very good, with a nice combination of size, speed, and underrated feet. Speed and big play skills are better than advertised. His cutback and plant-and-drive skills are much better than the typical big back. Loses value in PPR due to suspect receiving skills, but I think he's the 2nd best back in the draft.
RB Derrius Guice, Redskins - The combination of straight-line burst and size is rare. Not a nifty cutter in the second level and there's some off-field smoke. Talent-wise, there's a parallel with Kareem Hunt. The character element makes him a boom-or-bust pick. I can see him coming in with a big rookie year ala Eddie Lacy. Long-term, he seems like a volatile guy who could go any number of ways.
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RB Rashaad Penny, Seahawks - On paper, he has a lot of positives. Good size, speed, and elite production. I think he's solid, but he doesn't really pop off the screen for me. Walking into the starting job on a team that loves to run, you have to think he'll have good instant value by default, but I don't get the "wow" factor from his clips.
RB Sony Michel, Patriots - I want to like him because of the draft position/landing spot, but I don't know...I get kind of a Donald Brown/Felix Jones vibe here. He's not bad, he's just not great at anything. Average speed. Average size. Average moves. How will he win against NFL defenders? Situation alone has value and he shouldn't be a total bust. If nothing else, he'll catch passes. If Vereen can be useful here then so can Michel, but I don't see how he's going to be great.
RB Royce Freeman, Broncos - Solid without being great at anything. He has a big frame and decent quicks/speed. He broke a lot of big plays in his carer despite not always looking like the most electric athlete. He seems to run a bit timidly and lacks the violent aggression of someone like Guice or Barkley. He doesn't look like he loves to play football. I think he can plug in and be solid right away, but I don't see special traits. Still, you could be looking at a multi-year three down back here, so the value should be decent at his rookie draft ADP.
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RB Kerryon Johnson, Lions - Has some slashing cutting ability, but not really a nifty runner. Actually reminds me a lot of Kevin Smith, who the Lions took in a similar draft spot many years ago. Same striding, gliding running style. Same upright, leaner build. I do think he has a chance to be productive in spurts, but long-term he's not a guy I'd trust.
RB Ronald Jones, Bucs - Just not seeing it. He has nice cutting skills, but his speed is very average and he's not big enough. He's like a less juiced version of Kenyan Drake, who was himself like a discount version of David Johnson.
WR DJ Moore, Panthers - Dynamite athlete. Looks and plays fast and explosive. I think he's going to be solid. How high is his ceiling in the NFL? Is he going to be a #1 like Torry Holt or a feast-or-famine Donte Stallworth type? That's the big question for me, as I don't know if he necessarily has the look of a dominant target hog. The upside to be a star is there, but I feel more comfortable viewing him as a future FF WR2-WR3.
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WR Courtland Sutton, Broncos - Reminds me of Marques Colston with his long frame and gliding strides. He's not a choppy route runner and I think he may struggle to separate in the NFL. On the other hand, he's big and rangy with decent downfield ability. The upside to be a fringe FF WR1 is there, but he's a bit of a boom-or-bust pick IMO.
WR Calvin Ridley, Falcons - Electric, but really really small and light. Ultimately, I think he's more Harry Douglas than Julio.
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WR Christian Kirk, Cardinals - Limited height and downfield ability. Productive and instinctive player, but you wonder about the upside. He's more straight line than someone like Randall Cobb, but also thicker and stronger. Probably just a slot guy/second option in the NFL, which limits his ceiling.
The other round 2-4 WRs don't stand out to me and I'll probably be ducking them. Anything can happen, but this looks like the worst WR class I've seen in a long, long time.
TE Hayden Hurst, Ravens - I like him, but the fact that he's old and a TE caps his FF upside. I think you're getting a mid-low level FF TE1 for the next few years. What's that worth to you?
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TE Dallas Goedert, Eagles - Like the TE equivalent of Royce Freeman. He has the frame and overall athleticism to be a solid mid-level NFL starter. I don't think you're getting anything really special here, but in TE premium formats and deep leagues, he can be a useful piece.
TE Mark Andrews, Ravens - Had his best statistical season in 2017, but in some ways I liked his 2015-2016 clips more. He got too big and lost some of his explosiveness. Still, he moves pretty well for a big target and has solid receiving skills. Low end TE1 potential in FF. How will the presence of Hurst impact his FF upside for the foreseeable future? He's going to slide to a low ADP in rookie drafts when you add it all up, so he could be a decent stash for patient owners in deep leagues.
TE Mike Gesicki, Dolphins - Not really seeing it despite the workout numbers. Looks and plays too lean and stringy, reminiscent of past busts like Chase Coffman.
RB Saquon Barkley, Giants - Count yourself lucky if you have the 1.01 pick this year. Slam dunk pick here. Could even be the #1 overall startup pick.
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RB Nick Chubb, Browns - Before the injury, he looked like a top 10 NFL draft pick. Still very good, with a nice combination of size, speed, and underrated feet. Speed and big play skills are better than advertised. His cutback and plant-and-drive skills are much better than the typical big back. Loses value in PPR due to suspect receiving skills, but I think he's the 2nd best back in the draft.
RB Derrius Guice, Redskins - The combination of straight-line burst and size is rare. Not a nifty cutter in the second level and there's some off-field smoke. Talent-wise, there's a parallel with Kareem Hunt. The character element makes him a boom-or-bust pick. I can see him coming in with a big rookie year ala Eddie Lacy. Long-term, he seems like a volatile guy who could go any number of ways.
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RB Rashaad Penny, Seahawks - On paper, he has a lot of positives. Good size, speed, and elite production. I think he's solid, but he doesn't really pop off the screen for me. Walking into the starting job on a team that loves to run, you have to think he'll have good instant value by default, but I don't get the "wow" factor from his clips.
RB Sony Michel, Patriots - I want to like him because of the draft position/landing spot, but I don't know...I get kind of a Donald Brown/Felix Jones vibe here. He's not bad, he's just not great at anything. Average speed. Average size. Average moves. How will he win against NFL defenders? Situation alone has value and he shouldn't be a total bust. If nothing else, he'll catch passes. If Vereen can be useful here then so can Michel, but I don't see how he's going to be great.
RB Royce Freeman, Broncos - Solid without being great at anything. He has a big frame and decent quicks/speed. He broke a lot of big plays in his carer despite not always looking like the most electric athlete. He seems to run a bit timidly and lacks the violent aggression of someone like Guice or Barkley. He doesn't look like he loves to play football. I think he can plug in and be solid right away, but I don't see special traits. Still, you could be looking at a multi-year three down back here, so the value should be decent at his rookie draft ADP.
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RB Kerryon Johnson, Lions - Has some slashing cutting ability, but not really a nifty runner. Actually reminds me a lot of Kevin Smith, who the Lions took in a similar draft spot many years ago. Same striding, gliding running style. Same upright, leaner build. I do think he has a chance to be productive in spurts, but long-term he's not a guy I'd trust.
RB Ronald Jones, Bucs - Just not seeing it. He has nice cutting skills, but his speed is very average and he's not big enough. He's like a less juiced version of Kenyan Drake, who was himself like a discount version of David Johnson.
WR DJ Moore, Panthers - Dynamite athlete. Looks and plays fast and explosive. I think he's going to be solid. How high is his ceiling in the NFL? Is he going to be a #1 like Torry Holt or a feast-or-famine Donte Stallworth type? That's the big question for me, as I don't know if he necessarily has the look of a dominant target hog. The upside to be a star is there, but I feel more comfortable viewing him as a future FF WR2-WR3.
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WR Courtland Sutton, Broncos - Reminds me of Marques Colston with his long frame and gliding strides. He's not a choppy route runner and I think he may struggle to separate in the NFL. On the other hand, he's big and rangy with decent downfield ability. The upside to be a fringe FF WR1 is there, but he's a bit of a boom-or-bust pick IMO.
WR Calvin Ridley, Falcons - Electric, but really really small and light. Ultimately, I think he's more Harry Douglas than Julio.
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WR Christian Kirk, Cardinals - Limited height and downfield ability. Productive and instinctive player, but you wonder about the upside. He's more straight line than someone like Randall Cobb, but also thicker and stronger. Probably just a slot guy/second option in the NFL, which limits his ceiling.
The other round 2-4 WRs don't stand out to me and I'll probably be ducking them. Anything can happen, but this looks like the worst WR class I've seen in a long, long time.
TE Hayden Hurst, Ravens - I like him, but the fact that he's old and a TE caps his FF upside. I think you're getting a mid-low level FF TE1 for the next few years. What's that worth to you?
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TE Dallas Goedert, Eagles - Like the TE equivalent of Royce Freeman. He has the frame and overall athleticism to be a solid mid-level NFL starter. I don't think you're getting anything really special here, but in TE premium formats and deep leagues, he can be a useful piece.
TE Mark Andrews, Ravens - Had his best statistical season in 2017, but in some ways I liked his 2015-2016 clips more. He got too big and lost some of his explosiveness. Still, he moves pretty well for a big target and has solid receiving skills. Low end TE1 potential in FF. How will the presence of Hurst impact his FF upside for the foreseeable future? He's going to slide to a low ADP in rookie drafts when you add it all up, so he could be a decent stash for patient owners in deep leagues.
TE Mike Gesicki, Dolphins - Not really seeing it despite the workout numbers. Looks and plays too lean and stringy, reminiscent of past busts like Chase Coffman.
