Interseptopus
Footballguy
I do like that spot. Whomever the giants draft I will probably take in my rookie draft high round 2. I have a feeling Jones ends up in Miami or something
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[Dynasty] 2019 NFL Draft Class (1 Viewer)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Comparison of Josh Jacobs 20yd runs
I don’t see how people can be this nuts about this guy. Maybe I’ll eat my words (and, ya, I didn’t like Kamara) but this guy screams bias to me. I don’t know if he’ll make my top 10 until others prove to be less than qualifiable as athletes or he goes to a plus plus situation. There is zero reason a guy with an 11% total market share and 3 20+ yd runs is the top RB, let alone a top 5 guy. Yes he had an injury last season, he’s had two full seasons healthy and failed to capture a significant share. It’s all well and good he looked great vs Oklahoma. Last I checked my grandmother would have looked good against Oklahoma this year, that’s why their DC was fired in season. I know I’ll get attacked and people will vehemently disagree but I’m not seeing it and I’m not breaking process because Dane Brugler had one too many drinks before the playoff game and got the fantasy community in a huff. If Kalen Ballage entered this draft would everyone have him at 1 or above their respective top 5 except Jacobs? Because that’s who he is to me right now.
Edit to add: Jacobs has four career games of 100 yards combined rushing/recieving in his career. Darrell Henderson had 7 games of 200+ yds this season alone. Rodney Anderson has 8 100+ yard games in 15 career games. Just makes no sense to me.
I don’t see how people can be this nuts about this guy. Maybe I’ll eat my words (and, ya, I didn’t like Kamara) but this guy screams bias to me. I don’t know if he’ll make my top 10 until others prove to be less than qualifiable as athletes or he goes to a plus plus situation. There is zero reason a guy with an 11% total market share and 3 20+ yd runs is the top RB, let alone a top 5 guy. Yes he had an injury last season, he’s had two full seasons healthy and failed to capture a significant share. It’s all well and good he looked great vs Oklahoma. Last I checked my grandmother would have looked good against Oklahoma this year, that’s why their DC was fired in season. I know I’ll get attacked and people will vehemently disagree but I’m not seeing it and I’m not breaking process because Dane Brugler had one too many drinks before the playoff game and got the fantasy community in a huff. If Kalen Ballage entered this draft would everyone have him at 1 or above their respective top 5 except Jacobs? Because that’s who he is to me right now.
Edit to add: Jacobs has four career games of 100 yards combined rushing/recieving in his career. Darrell Henderson had 7 games of 200+ yds this season alone. Rodney Anderson has 8 100+ yard games in 15 career games. Just makes no sense to me.
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I for sure will not be attacking your or your rationale even if I disagree with it but the bolded was one super lame and inaccurate comment on your part.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
It’s an exaggeration but it is entirely accurate that Jacobs over ranking is centered on Brugler. I get it. He’s good at what he does. He also doesn’t look at things at all from an analytical point of view. The fact that his production sucks (and there is no two ways about it, his production flat out SUCKS) is ignored by Brugler and that goes for all of his evaluations.
When Bell came out I recall one of the massive knocks on him was something like his longest run of his career was in the 40'sh range. Lesson one learned.
In 2016 Sammie Coates was in a 6 way tie for 40+ yard receptions in the NFL. Fact he did it on 21 catches when lowest amount of next person who was tied with 6 40+ yard catches had 47 it was kind of impressive and along with Steelers stellar track record of WR's I had a soft spot for Coates. Lesson two learned.
I'm not trying to learn another hard lesson here.
In 2016 Sammie Coates was in a 6 way tie for 40+ yard receptions in the NFL. Fact he did it on 21 catches when lowest amount of next person who was tied with 6 40+ yard catches had 47 it was kind of impressive and along with Steelers stellar track record of WR's I had a soft spot for Coates. Lesson two learned.
I'm not trying to learn another hard lesson here.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Who started the fire then? Who was talking about Josh Jacobs as the top back and a first rounder before the OU game?
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You said earlier he started talking about Jacobs BEFORE the playoff game. That's inaccuracy #1, he had him as his #1RB before the bowl games.
Inaccuracy #2 you could find out if you'd bother to read through this thread just a little, like as in last day or two. What you'll see is that some of us credit Brugler for turning us onto him. But to say he got the fantasy community into a huff is blatantly wrong as is the notion that it's just Dane on him. Dane got JJ on my radar as I said, Jeremiah got my fire started if you will and not just because of how he feels about him or where he mocked him but some of the comments he relayed the NFL scout mentioned to him. I've also heard another current working NFL scout say anyone who drafts Jacobs is getting a steal. You are portraying this as we are just swinging on whatever Dane is telling us, again that is highly inaccurate.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Le’veon Bell had a 94th percentile dominator rating, a 75th percentile target share, 90th percentile agility and a 72nd percentile SPARQ score.
Sammie Coates was a decent bet... sometimes stuff doesn’t translate.
The lesson should be how to look at the tools. Right now what I’m seeing is someone who massively underachieved. He will come nowhere near Le’veon’s production but I will not deny his athleticism. How can we judge the difference between Christine Michael and Alvin Kamara? That’s where this guy lies. Is that worth the #1 pick when I believe there will be players whose range of outcomes will be more accurate? Maybe to some I suppose. I would be interested to see where his stock would be in a place, say, like Cleveland or NYG.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Anyone watching the Shrine Game? So far it’s been mostly a defensive showing. Brett Rypien and Nick Brossette had a nice first drive. Ta’amu missed a wide open Jamal Custis 50 yds downfield. Ty Johnson had a nice 20 yd run. Terry Godwin had a nice catch called back on a hold.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Terry Godwin with a second nice catch but then stripped by the CB. TD Ozigbo, not touched. I don’t know that I’ve watched this game in the past. It’s clear the guys are a tier below what you see in the Senior Bowl.
Sammie Coates can't catch a football. All the speed in the world can't fix that. That was a guy that was never even on my draftboard. I'm not totally sold on Jacobs. I think Ozigbo could be better. There are a ton of RBs that are all the same and none are good enough to be rated well above the rest. This draft will separate them. Location & opportunity is #1.
Not watching now and don't normally watch because of what you said, these guys are clearly below Senior Bowl level.
Speaking of Senior Bowl the guy they got in charge of it now seems to have done a heck of a job assembling the rosters. I'm actually already looking forward to Senior Bowl practice reports.
He was used in context of why focusing on 20/40 yards plays is not an ideal tool to rank players.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I’m a bit confused about the Wes Hills add. Highlights are sort of fun (looks like an alien) but he’s always been a subdivision guy (Delaware and Slippery Rock), I don’t think he has a lot of long speed and he never had a 1000 yd season. I suppose I’d rather a small school guy than a someone they already have a sharp read on and is known to already be a combine invite.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Stephen Jones:
“So, yeah, I think tight end is very important in terms of one of our top needs, what we’ll be looking at in the draft, and looking for ways to make that a stronger spot. Certainly [Cole] Beasely is a chain-mover, forever Jason Witten was a chain-mover. Certainly, Blake made some strides this year, but I think it’s obvious right now we don’t have that ‘Jason Witten, Jay Novacek, No. 1’ tight end.”
Just thought I’d share because whoever they draft should be on everyone’s radar.
Tex
“So, yeah, I think tight end is very important in terms of one of our top needs, what we’ll be looking at in the draft, and looking for ways to make that a stronger spot. Certainly [Cole] Beasely is a chain-mover, forever Jason Witten was a chain-mover. Certainly, Blake made some strides this year, but I think it’s obvious right now we don’t have that ‘Jason Witten, Jay Novacek, No. 1’ tight end.”
Just thought I’d share because whoever they draft should be on everyone’s radar.
Tex
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
RaiderBones
Footballguy
I can't speak for others but for me Dane Brugler put Jacobs on my radar but I haven't crowned Jacobs yet. I have to see how he performs during the combine, pro day, and see where he gets drafted before I decide where I'm going to slot Jacobs. I don't think this is worth getting your feathers ruffled over. It's a long process before we get to the NFL draft and our fantasy rookie drafts.
I do respect your opinion and don't think your nuts at all. I have some healthy skepticism about him at the moment. I need to see more from him before I decide where I want to slot him in my fantasy rookie rankings.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Jacobs is a nice looking player on film (highlights) but is there evaluation value for film guys in 2 car for 3yds against Citadel or 5 for 14 against Arkansas State? I think there should be a healthy skepticism in the same manner, and I hate to keep barking up this tree but, as Kalen Ballage last year. I think he’ll probably test extremely well. His lateral agility is apparent to the eye and I’ve seen rumored speed measurements into 21 mph, he tweeted out he got into the 22’s which would be, possibly, faster than Matt Breida. I sort of doubt that but he is a fast guy so anything is possible. I certainly don’t hate athletic players, quite the contrary. I just don’t understand the rocket ship for a backup to a back who really doesn’t look that spectacular independent of blocking in Harris. In a class where there isn’t a clear cut top guy but is full of depth, I think people are reaching in desperation to call him the next Kamara. That historically has carried a lot of risk. I would almost advise to trade down and try to take 2 or 3 of the early round backs over buying into a player who doesn’t have the production profile of a can’t miss guy. This isn’t Saquon Barkley or Nick Chubb. Anywho... I’m off it for now. I get the appeal of the Kamara thought and he will probably measure well enough to where I balance out my thought process. I owned plenty of Ballage from last year, I just couldn’t fathom taking him in at the top of the draft.
Speaking of outliers... what the heck was Georgia doing with Terry Godwin. He looks great today at the Shrine Game and by all accounts had a big week.
Speaking of outliers... what the heck was Georgia doing with Terry Godwin. He looks great today at the Shrine Game and by all accounts had a big week.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
By the time the NFL draft is over people are going to wish they had a top 5 pick for 2019. I’ve said it a million times buy now while the stock is low.
Whiteside, Sternberger, Kyler, Brown, Brown, Harry, Harmon, Fant, Monty, Grier, these guys will be hot come July/August.
I can imagine Kyler in NY with Engram, Barkley, OBJ.
Sternberger or Fant in Dallas with Dak and Zeke.
Whitside or Harmon in Philly with Wentz, Ertz, and Dallas or either in Washington with Guice.
Some of you are just not reading the tea leaves correctly. So what there’s no “clear cut” number one player. That’s why you should be buying now!!!! There’s talent in this draft and a lot of it. There’s no need to wait on the Combine! Lol the price is only going to go up!!! Unless you’re waiting to sell then ok I get it but if you’re buying, you’re running out of time.
Tex
Whiteside, Sternberger, Kyler, Brown, Brown, Harry, Harmon, Fant, Monty, Grier, these guys will be hot come July/August.
I can imagine Kyler in NY with Engram, Barkley, OBJ.
Sternberger or Fant in Dallas with Dak and Zeke.
Whitside or Harmon in Philly with Wentz, Ertz, and Dallas or either in Washington with Guice.
Some of you are just not reading the tea leaves correctly. So what there’s no “clear cut” number one player. That’s why you should be buying now!!!! There’s talent in this draft and a lot of it. There’s no need to wait on the Combine! Lol the price is only going to go up!!! Unless you’re waiting to sell then ok I get it but if you’re buying, you’re running out of time.
Tex
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I honestly wish I had the entire first round.
trying to trade my lowest first (1.8) with a 2020 2nd and 2020 3rd for a 2020 1st from teams who did not make the playoffs in 2018.
I've had the 7th and 8th place finishers (1.5 and 1.6) reject. I'm quite surprised.
I'm content keeping all 5 of my 1st rounders. just trying to spread it out. 2020 is a solid class, but it's not as hyped as people want to make it. rb is better at the top, but nfl teams looking for a rb are becoming few and far between. at least ones I want to own the rb on.
2019 lacks the top guy but it is crazy deep with great talent across the board. take Barkley away and 2018 could be less impressive as a whole than 2019.
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Zyphros
Footballguy
You are not wrong at all. I've only done eval's for WR's so far, and I'd have at least 3 of them firmly in the top25 dynasty WR ranks. Anywhere between 15-25 probably. I'm excited to get to the RB's and see what they deliver. And if the TE's are as good as what the hype is starting to say about this class being very good at TE, there's so many prime landing spots for those they're going to be highly ranked as well, especially in TE premium leagues (which is all I play).
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
There’s a certain amount of talent in every class you’ll have some options this year for sure and you’ll cash in. No one can count on 2020 to be the class it is today. Things will change, players will get injured, some will return, others will lose their value because they are not as good as we thought they were. This happens every year yet people still pass on talent in the “current” year while gambling on a year that hasn’t even come yet lol. A good rule of thumb....stock pile every year if you can. We’re in 2019 grab a few extra picks while looking to grab a few for 2020. But I like what I see this year and it looks damn good to me.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Ya he really did. I don’t understand how Georgia didn’t utilize a guy like that.Looked good to me.
ZWK
Footballguy
Ty Johnson is a 5-foot-10, 213-pounder. They measured him just this week. Come on Rotoworld, there was an article about those measurements right on your website.
Jim NagyVerified account @JimNagy_SB Jan 17
The @seniorbowl is excited to announce the addition of @SRURockFB RB #4 Wes Hills to the South roster. RB is typically limited depth-wise for all-star games because many RBs leave as juniors so we feel fortunate Hills was available after we lost a couple runners with injuries.
Seems deeper then how I viewed 2017 class at the time. Big miss in 2017 obviously was not being high enough on Kittle but this TE class has absolutely changed how I view the mid to late first in TE premium leagues.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just adding to your point that James Whites highest receptions for the Badgers was 39
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Really like Williams. I worry about putting him too high as he’ll only be a niche guy. James White had prolific ground numbers in comparison to Williams. I think he looks like what the NFL version of what White is in college, will be interested to see if that transitions well to the NFL. Jalen Hurd is like that in comparison to Cordarelle Patterson as well.Biabreakable said:
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Won the collegiate bowl MVP. I guess he knows more than me after all. Wait until people see the way he runs. It’s like the guy doesn’t have a stomach, his legs come all the way up to his chest.menobrown said:
You could have spoke for me on this post because this is about where I'm at. I'm not crowning JJ as the #1 guy, got a ways to go, but he has got me more excited about the potential of the 1.1 then anyone else yet so far.krsone21 said:
And I do agree that healthy skepticism is good. But along with healthy skepticism I think you got to keep an open mind and not dismiss Jacobs over an arbitrary stat or lack of usage. I know I mentioned Kamara before but I've been down this road with him in a thread just like this one. I posted around January or maybe early February the year he came out about him being a top 5 RB. Similar to Jacobs he was not on my radar until Mayock turned me onto him. First and I think only reply I got to that post was someone just trashing the idea that this lightly used RB, who was not even the starter, should be put in that kind of stratosphere. Not every lightly used RB is going to be a star, it's going to be more rare then not, I just don't think that should be a reason to dismiss a player especially in a case like Jacobs where he was a 3 star recruit on a team with the two RB's who were the #1RB's in their class coming out. My takeaway on his usage is more positive that he earned the role he did.
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