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[DYNASTY] End of Bench RBs (1 Viewer)

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Looking at a lot of dynasty drafts held so far this year (Zealots and others), it looks like there are about 70 RBs that are pretty consistently taken. After that, though, there are a bunch of end-of-bench types that are all of marginal to zero value on week 1 of the 2006 season.

I've listed 40 players below that may or may not have some future value, either this year or in future years, depending on circumstances in the ever-changing NFL.

Please rank your top 10-20 players from this list, assuming a dynasty format.

Alstott, Mike TB

Brown, Dee KC

Buckhalter, Correll PHI

Cartwright, Rock WAS

Cobb, DeAndra ATL

Cobbs, Cedric DEN

Crockett, Zack OAK

Evans, Heath NE

Fargas, Justin OAK

Fisher, Tony STL

Gates, Lionel BUF

Goings, Nick CAR

Gordon, Lamar PHI

Graham, Earnest TB

Green, William CLE

Griffin, Quentin KC

Herron, Noah GB

Hicks, Maurice SF

Mahe, Reno PHI

Minor, Travis MIA

Morris, Sammy MIA

Mungro, James IND

Nash, Damien TEN

Pass, Patrick NE

Payton, Jarrett TEN

Perry, Bruce PHI

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Pinner, Artose DET

Robertson, Jamal CAR

Scobey, Josh SEA

Shipp, Marcel ARI

Smith, Antowain NO

Smith, Musa BAL

Sproles, Darren SD

Stecker, Aaron NO

Thomas, Anthony NO

Thompson, Tyson DAL

Ward, Derrick NYG

Williams, Moe MIN

Williams, Shaud BUF

 
I've always liked Justin Fargas. He's never really been a given a chance in Oakland, but he's a good athlete and I can see him making an impact at some point in the future.

The same also applies to William Green. He's no star, but he's never been given an opportunity with a competent coaching staff and a decent supporting cast. He could be the next Thomas Jones (he's a free agent after next season).

Other than that, the list is pretty bare. Tyson Thompson and Cedric Cobbs might be worth a flyer.

 
Guys who I think have the most upside:

Cobbs, Cedric DEN

Fargas, Justin OAK

Goings, Nick CAR

Green, William CLE

Griffin, Quentin KC

Mungro, James IND

Payton, Jarrett TEN

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Smith, Musa BAL

Sproles, Darren SD

Thomas, Anthony NO

 
It's hard to rank top twenty, I'll be honest I'm too lazy to rank twenty :D

However, I'll list twenty that I wouldn't mind having on a dynasty roster.

Buckhalter, Correll PHI

Cobb, DeAndra ATL

Cobbs, Cedric DEN

Fargas, Justin OAK

Fisher, Tony STL

Goings, Nick CAR

Gordon, Lamar PHI

Graham, Earnest TB

Green, William CLE

Griffin, Quentin KC

Hicks, Maurice SF

Mungro, James IND

Pass, Patrick NE

Payton, Jarrett TEN

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Pinner, Artose DET

Smith, Musa BAL

Sproles, Darren SD

Thomas, Anthony NO

Williams, Shaud BUF

 
I'll be keeping an eye on second-year back Lionel Gates. If he can emerge as the primary backup behind McGahee, his value will go up.

He's a 7th round pick from last year, and I don't believe he saw any NFL action last year. Not much to go on, but his measurables at the combine last year were decent - 6'0", 222; 40 Yrd Dash: 4.60; 20 Yrd Dash: 2.80; 10 Yrd Dash: 1.69; Wonderlic: 21; 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23; Vertical Jump: 36; Broad Jump: 10'1"; 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.12; 3-Cone Drill: 7.17.

In 2004, he had 817 yards and eleven touchdowns on 141 carries (5.8 avg) while splitting carries with Eric Shelton and Michael Bush.

ETA: Got my facts wrong. From buffalobills.com: "Despite missing time in 2004, the 6-0 223-pound rusher ran for 373 yards and seven touchdowns in his senior season." The 817 yards rushing was 2003.

 
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1. Green, William CLE - Has the tools/talent may just need a change of scenery- Currently buried on the depth chart.

2. Peterson, Adrian CHI - Showed this past season that he has the ability to carry a load. Keeps the legs moving. Unfortunately, he is behind two quality backs.

3. Pinner, Artose DET - Jones consistently injured. Was decent in spot/fill in time last season.

4. Pass, Patrick NE - Showed he has the ability last season. IF the Pats do not draft an RB, he holds more value with Dillon slowing down.

5. Fargas, Justin OAK - As EBF said- never really given the opportunity. Has the talent- highly regarded coming out of school. Fast, nice pass-catching ability.

6. Williams, Shaud BUF - Played well (two seasons ago was it?) when McGahee was out.

Rest:

7. Goings, Nick CAR

8. Shipp, Marcel ARI

9. Cartwright, Rock WAS

10. Hicks, Maurice SF

11. Graham, Earnest TB

12. Cobbs, Cedric DEN

13. Fisher, Tony STL

14. Brown, Dee KC

15. Buckhalter, Correll PHI

16. Payton, Jarrett TEN

17. Nash, Damien TEN

18. Griffin, Quentin KC

19. Smith, Musa BAL

20. Gates, Lionel BUF

 
I am in a 16-team league with 25 players per team (See roster in my sig)... and these are the only guys I can say deserve a roster spot in a league that big...

Goings, Nick CAR

Brown, Dee KC

Griffin, Quentin KC

Hicks, Maurice SF

Shipp, Marcel ARI

The following guys aren't owned but are guys to watch on the WW... or long-term looks

Morris, Sammy MIA (signed today, and could be Ronnie's backup)

Buckhalter, Correll PHI

Williams, Shaud BUF (especially if you have McGahee)

Pass, Patrick NE

Alstott, Mike TB

Nash, Damien TEN

Payton, Jarrett TEN

Smith, Musa BAL

Thompson, Tyson DAL

 
I've always liked Graham. IIRC, he is still on the TB roster behind Caddy. I know that Pittman and Alstott are there, but they'll be gone soon. Given Caddy's injury history last year, as well as Gruden using the RBBC a decent amount, I think that Caddy's future backup is worth keeping.

 
Looking at a lot of dynasty drafts held so far this year (Zealots and others), it looks like there are about 70 RBs that are pretty consistently taken.  After that, though, there are a bunch of end-of-bench types that are all of marginal to zero value on week 1 of the 2006 season. 

I've listed 40 players below that may or may not have some future value, either this year or in future years, depending on circumstances in the ever-changing NFL. 

Please rank your top 10-20 players from this list, assuming a dynasty format.
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Brown, Dee KC - Had decent success with Carolina late in the season a few years ago. Shown flashes in brief playing time. Sleeper Potential: C-

Buckhalter, Correll PHI - CBuck is a good power back that can't stay healthy. That's not a combination for success.

Sleeper Potential: D

Cobb, DeAndra ATL - Excellent KR skills, needs to be more patient as a RB. Sleeper Potential: C

Cobbs, Cedric DEN - Didn't do anything in New England, but has held onto a PS spot with Denver for almost a year. Good buzz about him out at Dove Valley. Sleeper Potential: C+

Fargas, Justin OAK - Good skill set, great speed. Injury history that reads like "War and Peace" dating back to his time at Michigan and USC. If he can shake the injury bug his talent is big.

Sleeper Potential: B-

Gates, Lionel BUF - Great sleeper potential here. Could emerge as McGahee's #2. Willis may be gone next year (RFA in '07 I believe)??

Sleeper Potential: C+

Gordon, Lamar PHI - Has never reached his potential, and now has a bigger injury history then when he started with the Rams. One of two power backs (currently) in Phili.

Sleeper Potential: C

Graham, Earnest TB - I'm a big Graham fan from his Gator days. I had him and Willie Parker on my PS two years ago. Willie paid off, now it's time for Earnest. Buried behind Caddy. Good to have Caddy's #2 though.

Sleeper Potential: B-

Payton, Jarrett TEN - Son of sweetness has looked good in limited playing time with the Titans. Not a flashy runner, but opportunistic.

Sleeper Potential: B-

Peterson, Adrian CHI - Division II's leading rusher coming out of Georgia Southern. I've been impressed with what he's done in Chicago buried behind Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson.

Sleeper Potential: C+

Smith, Musa BAL - A Georgia Bulldog runner that hasn't stayed healthy. Needs to stay healthy because he could be Jamal's #2 with Chester off to the Vikings. Remember, both Mike Anderson and Jamal Lewis are one puff away from a year long suspension.

Sleeper Potential: C-

Thompson, Tyson DAL - Training Camp phenom that didn't impress in limited playing time.

Sleeper Potential: D-

Ward, Derrick NYG - One of my favorite sleepers out there. Tiki should be good for a couple more years, Brandon Jacobs runs too upright to be a feature back. Ward was impressive at Fresno State, and then at Ottowa JC. The Jets should've held onto this kid.

Sleeper Potential: B-

Williams, Shaud BUF - Not a fan of Shaud, but you can't deny what he's done with limited playing time. Too small to be featured regulary, but could have a few games here and there (ala Quentin Griffin).

Sleeper Potential: C+

That was from your list, now here's a few more names...

Pearman, Alvin JAX - Mike Mayock's former man-crush. Versatile back from Virginia in a backfield that's in upheaval.

Sleeper Potential: B-

Wilson, Quincy CIN - Diesel hates him, I think he's got potential. Hasn't shown much in limited playing time.

Sleeper Potential: D

Wright, Jason CLE - Versatile back from Northwestern. Buried on the depth chart, but I like his skill set.

Sleeper Potential: D+

Anderson, Damien ARI - Another Northwestern guy. He led the preseason in rushing a few years ago. Was in a horrific car accident and hasn't quite been the same.

Sleeper Potential: D

Russell, Fred STL - Iowa guy that is a tiny terror. Think Darren Sproles.

Sleeper Potential: D+

Carthon, Ran SEA - Actually scored a TD last year for Indy. Good bloodlines (Maurice's son), and has shown ability in limited playing time. Was sought after by several teams as an undrafted free agent when he came out of Florida.

Sleeper Potential: D

 
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how sad is it i have 4 of those?

Adrian Peterson, Musa Smith, Damien Nash, and Moe Williams (and I traded Tony Fisher last year)

 
this will sound stupid but i see alot more of cbuck than moats ?! w/ cbucks' history of injuries i would think moats would have more value...

 
this will sound stupid but i see alot more of cbuck than moats ?! w/ cbucks' history of injuries i would think moats would have more value...
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I think it's safe to assume Moats is in the top 70 RBs mentioned before the 40 listed are considered.
 
Alstott, Mike TB-thought he'd retire, maybe good for a TD here or there

Brown, Dee KC-big hopes but I feel like they may sign someone June 1st or somesuch

Buckhalter, Correll PHI-had enough of him

Cartwright, Rock WAS-interesting but I believe last year he was at risk to get cut. ALmost "out of the loop" in Gibbs' HB system

Cobb, DeAndra ATL

Cobbs, Cedric DEN -not much from above 2 except hope and wait

Crockett, Zack OAK -see Alstott

Evans, Heath NE -Intrigued if NE will play a FB and he'll be it. Then he could be a goalline alternate. Otherwise little value

Fargas, Justin OAK-had enough of him

Fisher, Tony STL-3rd down back

Gates, Lionel BUF-He or Shaud good preseason battle to watch. One could be good handcuff

Goings, Nick CAR-no surprise

Gordon, Lamar PHI -I think he fell as "what's his name" did well late last year

Graham, Earnest TB

Green, William CLE -I think Romeo is OK with him and not Suggs but it's rrrreal hard to tell. He was a solid workout guy for a change last year so maybe he earned something in Romeo's eyes.

Griffin, Quentin KC -nothing, he was cut last year

Herron, Noah GB-won't make the team unless they keep 4 RBs

Hicks, Maurice SF -eh

Mahe, Reno PHI -eh

Minor, Travis MIA -3rd down back

Morris, Sammy MIA -If Ricky plays, he or Minor makes the team not both

Mungro, James IND -Unexciting but solid RB. I could see a frustrated Dungy going to him but if they draft a RB his value plummets.

Nash, Damien TEN -Payton is higher up on the food chain then him and they sit far behind Henry and Brown

Pass, Patrick NE -Very interested in him.

Payton, Jarrett TEN - Can ya say Brown and Henry won't get hurt? NO but you can't predict they'll be hurt the same time so.....very little value

Perry, Bruce PHI-nada

Peterson, Adrian CHI -Benson will soundly beat him out of the backup role this year. I don't think he smells the field much

Pinner, Artose DET -Has he re-signed?

Robertson, Jamal CAR -nothing

Scobey, Josh SEA -nothing KR

Shipp, Marcel ARI -I'd expect a cut or last minute trade on draft day for a late late pick. I don't see the use for him in Zona anymore

Smith, Antowain NO -Bennett washes away his value

Smith, Musa BAL - He gets hurt "sitting on the bench"

Sproles, Darren SD - Dante Hall's twin;-), like KC San Diego doesn't know how to use him in their O

Stecker, Aaron NO -former NFLE guy may beat out Antowain

Thomas, Anthony NO -I think he gets cut because he won't play special teams

Thompson, Tyson DAL -spots like last year, Barber and Jones way ahead on the depth chart and also young. Little value

Ward, Derrick NYG -Decent pile mover seems to play only when Coughlin isn't putting Jacobs in for whatever reason.

Williams, Moe MIN -wow are his best days behind him

Williams, Shaud BUF-above

 
I'm not going to rank the #71-90 RBs. I will however, comment on the ones I'd give passing thought to rostering.

Cobbs, Cedric DEN - Bronco, RB. 'nuff said. Oh, and he supposedly has some talent.

Fargas, Justin OAK - Huggy bear, Jordan goes down, he might start in a decent enough system / role

Green, William CLE - has talent, has more issues. as a late roster filler, why not?

Griffin, Quentin KC - Chiefs, RB. 'nuff said

Hicks, Maurice SF - possibly the best back on the team, given Gore's injury issues and Barlow's sucking issues.

 
Here are the guys that stand out to me:

Cobbs, Cedric DEN - this guy has some talent. Im not sure what went wrong in New England, but Denver is like a pet cemetery (apologies to stephen king) for running backs.

Gates, Lionel BUF - Gates is an interesting big back who was much faster than advertised because of an injury during the pre-draft last year.

Goings, Nick CAR - Don't ever count out Nick Goings. Foster gets hurt, this we know. Guess who the only other at all proven back on the roster is?

Hicks, Maurice SF - Almost every time this guy has gotten some playing time, he has produced.

Pass, Patrick NE - Looked way better than I expected when he was called upon last year.

Peterson, Adrian CHI - Ran hard and well when asked to last year.

Thompson, Tyson DAL - a bigger version of willie parker - he was on the verge of breaking out last year before mental mistakes in practice opened the door for Marion Barber

 
At this point in a dynasty draft (70 RBs taken), rosters will generally already have 5-6 RBs depending on league size. Given that, among the 40 listed what I'd be after is upside, not just the ability to put up points here and there in a reserve role. I'll classify the listed RBs into four general categories, and highlight in red the 10 I think are the best dynasty roster choices. The NFL draft will of course alter some of these categorizations. Listed is age at start of 2006 season.

(1) #2 on his team, could produce decent fantasy points if the starter is injured. Dynasty value is both as a handcuff/injury replacement starter on his NFL team and as a player with the youth and possible upside to become a starter on some NFL team in future years.

26-Fargas, Justin OAK (#2 with Crockett aging, good talent, injuries always the issue)

25-Griffin, Quentin KC (likely to be #2 ahead of D Brown if Priest is done as expected. Has started in Den, still young and may get another shot somewhere if he shows well in KC)

26-Ward, Derrick NYG (#2a or 2b, I don't really see a feature role in his future, but Lammey likes him and that carries weight, right?)

25-Williams, Shaud BUF (#2 currently, though small and not very powerful. I'd drop him into category (4) if he wasn't currently listed as the backup to McGahee)

(2) #2 on his team, could produce decent fantasy points if the starter is injured, but destined to return to a reserve role afterward. Dynasty value is as a handcuff/injury replacement starter on his NFL team and a possible spot-starter on a fantasy team, with little future upside due to age or lack of feature back talent. NFL draft may push some of these guys to category (4).

26-Fisher, Tony STL (though #3, could move to #2 if Faulk doesn't return so I'll put him here)

28-Goings, Nick CAR (while unclear if he will officially be #2 over Shelton, I'm comfortable putting him here for now. Decent value given Foster's injury history)

29-Morris, Sammy MIA (poor #2, will move to category (4) once Ricky returns or a satisfactory #2 found)

28-Pass, Patrick NE (while technically #3 behind K Faulk, would probably get more carries while KF retains 3rd down role if Dillon hurt)

28-Pinner, Artose DET (not fast or shifty, shares #2 with Bryson, career #2+)

(3) Young #3, not likely to produce enough fantasy points if the starter is injured to be worthy of starting for a fantasy team unless the #2 is also hurt. Dynasty value is based on the talent and time to become a #2 handcuff or possibly a starter on some NFL team in future years.

25-Cobb, DeAndra ATL (#3, small scatback, return man. Lots of speed)

25-Cobbs, Cedric DEN (very intriguing, especially with DEN current situation iffy and their penchant for giving starting chances to lower round players. Cobbs, when drafted, was tabbed to be the heir apparent for the starting job in NE. Worth keeping an eye on)

24-Gates, Lionel BUF (#3 last year, should become #2 this year I'd think)

26-Gordon, Lamar PHI (still a FA, let's see what situation he ends up in)

26-Graham, Earnest TB (Alstott and Pittman both 30+)

26-Green, William CLE (former #1 picks usually get another chance somewhere)

25-Payton, Jarrett TEN (#3, lacks speed, but did well in NFLE and has done OK with chances with Titans)

27-Peterson, Adrian CHI (#3, stellar college career and has done well with limited NFL chances. Needs change of team to become starter though)

24-Smith, Musa BAL (#3, I don't really know what to make of him since his severe leg injury. Entered the league very young, he's still young)

23-Sproles, Darren SD (#3, at his size it's hard to see him ever be a feature back, but that was said when he was in college too - then he led the nation in rushing at a Big-12 school)

(4) #3 or deeper, role player, often also a special teams player. May produce some fantasy points (e.g., TD vulture) but not consistently. Isn't the #2 handcuff/injury replacement, and no real potential to be a future starter (due to age or lack of special talent) except during periods where the #2 is also hurt, returning to his reserve role afterwards.

32-Alstott, Mike TB (TD vulture)

28-Brown, Dee KC (likely to be behind Griffin even if Priest returns)

27-Buckhalter, Correll PHI (behind #2 Moats, injury history jeopardizes roster spot)

26-Cartwright, Rock WAS (#3, special teams)

33-Crockett, Zack OAK (has been #2, but now 33 and RBBC at best)

27-Evans, Heath NE (FB; brief 2005 opportunity was due to 3 guys ahead of him injured)

24-Herron, Noah GB (young, but lacks speed and IMO not NFL feature back material)

28-Hicks, Maurice SF (#3, special teams. Did well last year at RB but no future as regular starter)

26-Mahe, Reno PHI (career backup and special teams)

27-Minor, Travis MIA (career backup and special teams)

28-Mungro, James IND (FB role + backup to rookie and Rhodes)

24-Nash, Damien TEN (#4, hasn't shown much, considered a reach when drafted)

25-Perry, Bruce PHI (#4/#5, Westbrook/Moats clone with less ability)

26-Scobey, Josh SEA (#3, kick return guy)

27-Shipp, Marcel ARI (#3, time and chances are behind him)

34-Smith, Antowain NO (wasn't he already old with New England a bunch of years ago?)

29-Robertson, Jamal CAR (#4, special teams)

30-Stecker, Aaron NO (#3, signing of Bennett drops him down a notch. Still 3rd down RB due to superior pass-catching ability though)

28-Thomas, Anthony NO (FA I think. Could be the end of the line for him)

25-Thompson, Tyson DAL (#3, although young I don't see the talent to ever be more than #3)

32-Williams, Moe MIN (probably will retire)

 
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I would go with RB- Adrian Peterson. He did a nice job last year as a fill in player. I don't see how they can keep Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson for the long term.

He has the ability to get the job done. Don't see much value in 2006,but 2007 should be the main backup to Benson. The Bears have been a Run 1st team for years. Would make a nice sleeper pick if Benson goes down for anytime.

 
Cartwright, Rock WAS

Cobbs, Cedric DEN

Evans, Heath NE

Fargas, Justin OAK

Goings, Nick CAR

Green, William CLE

Hicks, Maurice SF

Payton, Jarrett TEN

Pinner, Artose DET

Thompson, Tyson DAL

Out of your list these are the only end of the bench players worth even rostering. The others would actually provide more value to be cut for a bye week defense.

 
Worth a mention but not its own thread, so I'll put it here:

3/31 Blurb on Cobbs

• Cedric Cobbs, running back

He will get a long look in training camp. Though he has yet to play a game for the Broncos after a year on their practice squad, he has intrigued them.

Enough that Shanahan has already said: "Very talented, very talented. (He's) 235 pounds and looks skinny. (He's) a guy that we had ranked very high coming out in the draft. He looked very impressive on our scout team. He's got the ability to come in and compete."

Cobbs spent the 2004 season with New England, though the first seven weeks of the season he was on the physically unable to perform list before appearing in four games in the regular season. The Patriots made him a fourth-round pick in the 2004 draft, but he would have gone higher if not for some injury troubles and an off-the-field driving under the influence arrest at the University of Arkansas.

He rushed for 1,320 yards in 2003, his last season for the Razorbacks, including 198 against Alabama and 169 against Louisiana State.

Cobbs' injury history at Arkansas - he took a medical redshirt in 2000 after shoulder surgery and battled hamstring and toe injuries in 2001, 2002 and 2003 - also made some teams shy away.

 
I keep having recuring dreams where Marcel Shipp gets traded to Indy on draft day.

If that comes true, his value goes much higher.

 
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Buckhalter, Correll PHI

Cobbs, Cedric DEN

Evans, Heath NE

Fargas, Justin OAK

Fisher, Tony STL

Goings, Nick CAR

Gordon, Lamar PHI

Green, William CLE

Griffin, Quentin KC

Hicks, Maurice SF

Mungro, James IND

Pass, Patrick NE

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Smith, Musa BAL

Stecker, Aaron NO

Thomas, Anthony NO

Those are the ones I think have some value. My top 5:

Goings, Nick

Hicks, Maurice

Stecker, Anthony

Cobbs, Cedric

Griffin, Quentin

 
28-Brown, Dee KC (likely to be behind Griffin even if Priest returns)
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You give the runt (Griffin) waay to much credit. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a preseason cut.
 
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Green

Cobbs

Musa Smith

Peterson

Thomas

Gordon

Shipp

Griffin

Fargas

Hicks

Goings

Its already more than ugly enough. I'm already ranking guys who will be lucky to have a #2 job.

 
Graham sure looked good pre season last year. Too bad he is buried in Tampa because he could be a serviceable back if ever given the opprtunity. There is one back on that original list really lights my eyes. One other poster mentioned it. (my secreat late round pick) haha

 
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