DYNASTY - Mikel Leshoure (1 Viewer)

[todisco1]

So Demaryius Thomas suffered the same injury as Leshoure (torn Achilles). Thomas came back yesterday, less than a year after his injury, and looks like he can play. Does this give people hope that Leshoure may come back as well? Thomas was injured in November '10, Leshoure was injured in August this year, so he'll have several extra months to recover. There is a clear opening IMO for a pound it out runner in Detroit to compliment Best (and Best is someone the coaches may want to limit somewhat anyway to try and keep him healthy).

I'm thinking Leshoure may be a decent buy right now in dynasty - he's young and has plenty of time to recover, Thomas' return seems to indicate players can return from this type of injury, though obviously the jury is still out. And opportunities abound in a young, talented offense. If Leshoure makes it back he could be a great contributor to the team, possibly even more productive than Best.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[finito]

It gives hope to his recovery. If he comes back to form he should be their pounder, though they may trade/draft another guy as both Best and Leshoure are significant injury risks.

 

[Abraham]

I don't think any player has ever had that injury and come back to be more then an average player.

 

[finito]

I don't think any player has ever had that injury and come back to be more then an average player.

Demaryous Thomas is a great test subject though - he's back from the same injury. If he's bad, then it doesn't bode well for Leshoure. But if he's good, then there could be a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[loose circuits]

Was Demaryus' achilles partially torn and Leshoure's a full tear?

 

[BigJim®]

I don't think any player has ever had that injury and come back to be more then an average player.

Is there any actual history on 21 year olds? Seems to me the predominant info is based on a study of recovery of 28-30 year old NFL players, who, surprise, were not as productive the 3 years folloing surgery as as they were the 3 years of their prime before surgery. I'm guessing that 'conclusion' is also true as to uninjured NFL player around that age.

 

[Xue]

RB's have to plant and cut much harder than WR's do. I think we should compare each to a player of the same position.

 

[The Comedian]

RB's have to plant and cut much harder than WR's do. I think we should compare each to a player of the same position.

Not sure about that - a lot of routes call for sudden cuts with drastic changes of angles. RB's have to cut and be explosive no doubt, but it's mainly in the same direction. I think it's pretty important to both positions.When people say that no players have ever come back from this injury, I would like to know how many have suffered this injury and how long ago. I know some LB recently had one, can't remember which one - was it Julian Peterson?Anyway, medicine technology is improving so rapidly that I would think that it's possible for there to be a much better prognosis these days. Hell, ACL injuries used to be multi-year injuries, no?

 

[sharkbait006]

I'm debating on whether to stash Ryan Williams or Leshoure. Both have serious injuries, Leshoure probably the more serious. However, Leshoure's situation in Detroit couldn't be better. Best can't get over the concussion issues and that's an explosive offense that needs a running game to really take off. I love Ryan William's talent but the situation in Arizona is murky given Beanie's success this season. Granted, Beanie is injury prone as well and Arizona's offense is no where near Detroit's right now.

 

[The Comedian]

I'm debating on whether to stash Ryan Williams or Leshoure. Both have serious injuries, Leshoure probably the more serious. However, Leshoure's situation in Detroit couldn't be better. Best can't get over the concussion issues and that's an explosive offense that needs a running game to really take off. I love Ryan William's talent but the situation in Arizona is murky given Beanie's success this season. Granted, Beanie is injury prone as well and Arizona's offense is no where near Detroit's right now.

See, I'm lucky in this regard - I drafted them both in my main dynasty league so I don't have to make this decision.

 

[strong]

I don't think any player has ever had that injury and come back to be more then an average player.

Is there any actual history on 21 year olds? Seems to me the predominant info is based on a study of recovery of 28-30 year old NFL players, who, surprise, were not as productive the 3 years folloing surgery as as they were the 3 years of their prime before surgery. I'm guessing that 'conclusion' is also true as to uninjured NFL player around that age.

ronald curry comes to mind. 24 or 25 at time of injury. freakishly great athlete and was finally breaking out as a wide receiver. rehabbed. looked okay following season but reinjured his achilles in game two.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think any player has ever had that injury and come back to be more then an average player.

Medical science is always moving forward. ACL injuries used to mean you were a year or two out. Then Welker proved that wrong.

 

[domvin]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-10-07/sports/chi-lions-leshoure-frustrated-20111007_1_mikel-leshoure-illini-rehab

This article is certainly not as granular as I hoped it would be, but it at least tells us where he is dong

his rehab and he is still interacting with the team.

Too often injured guys will go AWOL, at least this guy stayed in Detroit and the Team is overseeing it,

and he is engaged.

I have Leshoure on 3 dynasty teams....and if he comes back strong it will be like an extra first round pick....

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'm on record as panning the Foot and Ankle study as limited and using a lot of fancy talk to pile bad arguments (we don't have many players in the study and couldn't see their medical records but marginal players who haven't been significantly invested in by their teams didn't score many fantasy points) to make what should have been a very reasonable point (i.e. this is a really hard injury to recover from) seem more ominous than it really is. I've seen plenty of talented defensive players -- Derrick Burgess, Greg Ellis, Julian Peterson, Takeo Spikes (and you'll probably soon be able to add DeMeco Ryans to this list) return to their former levels of straight line explosiveness and ability to change direction well.

But Leshoure is going to be the interesting test case here. Some backs can get by with a measure of straight line explosiveness. But most need well above-average lateral agility and explosiveness to be long term successful NFL running backs. I don't think I'd say that the edge rushing LBs who turned in double digit sacks or Spikes showed that skill despite their impressive recoveries. And I'm not certain that's something we'll know right away either. He could take an extra few months to recover that ability if it's not there initially, depending on whether it's physical or mental.

Unlike nearly all of the players in the Foot and Ankle study, though, Leshoure is a first round pick that's more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt by a team that's wants/needs him to be successful.

 

[Da Guru]

I like his upside for sure. It is looking like Best may have a short career. Even if they are both healthy next season Best will probably have limited touches due his inablity to stay healthy.

 

[NorrisB]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-10-07/sports/chi-lions-leshoure-frustrated-20111007_1_mikel-leshoure-illini-rehabThis article is certainly not as granular as I hoped it would be, but it at least tells us where he is donghis rehab and he is still interacting with the team.Too often injured guys will go AWOL, at least this guy stayed in Detroit and the Team is overseeing it, and he is engaged.I have Leshoure on 3 dynasty teams....and if he comes back strong it will be like an extra first round pick....

welker was not himself last year

 

[Bob Magaw]

the aforementioned study i think also involved now 10-15 year old surgical and rehab techniques...

 

[BigJim®]

Curious where people stand on this after week 3 since this topic garnered a lot of discussion last season. I did not see Leshoure play Sunday, so curious if there were any observations on how he looked vs. his college performances? What can we make of the study mentioned in this thread, given the return of Demaryius Thomas and (maybe) Leshoure 1 year following their death sentences? Are these players a fraction of themselves, or good dynasty prospects again? Do we start expecting same recovery as ACL when achilles happens to the next prospect?