Concept Coop
Footballguy
Who is more valuable in dynasty formats--Rice or Pierce?
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Dynasty: More Valuable Baltimore RB? (1 Viewer)
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I'll take pierce. Between age, use, and suspension, I'd try to sell Rice (if I owned him) before the floor falls out
Concept Coop
Footballguy
My thoughts were no-ADP context. I like Pierce overall, but especially so when accounting for ADP.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Rice by a lot in PPR formats.
In standard both are mired by the committee, and I don't really want either.
Not going to make an off color pun.
In standard both are mired by the committee, and I don't really want either.
Not going to make an off color pun.
cstu
Footballguy
Between Rice being the worst starting RB in the NFL last year and beating his GF I have doubts about him being a starting RB for much longer.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Worse than Trent?!thriftyrocker said:
cstu
Footballguy
According to PFF:
TRich: -3.7 rating
Pierce: -1.7 rating
Rice: -16.0 rating (next worst was McFadden at -9.8)
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Football Outsiders has DVOA
TR -22.2%
RR -28.0%
BP -29.3%
They are the 3 worst RB with significant carries.
TR -22.2%
RR -28.0%
BP -29.3%
They are the 3 worst RB with significant carries.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Rice's situation my just have you adding Cierre Wood as a choice on this very soon....looks like a little more speed over Pierce and Rice. Might be welcomed in Bal?
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/RB-Cierre-Wood-rumbles-in-win-over-Cowboys/5380873f-ba85-4287-8e7c-e82194dfc597
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/RB-Cierre-Wood-rumbles-in-win-over-Cowboys/5380873f-ba85-4287-8e7c-e82194dfc597
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Cierre Wood is an undrafted scrub who is on his 3rd team in less than a year. He's no threat to anyone.
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
I'll take the contrarian position. Cost aside, I think Rice will be the superior producer by a decent amount in PPR for the next few years, and I like him in standard as well (though not by nearly as much). No real reason for rebuilding teams to invest in Rice regardless of price.
I think the pendulum of public opinion has swung too far against Rice.
I think the pendulum of public opinion has swung too far against Rice.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Cierre Wood was only cut from his first team because he was caught smoking cush in his hotel room the night before a game. He was a threat to 3 other undrafted scrubs when he beat them out in Texans training camp.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
This topic is funny. Anyone say Pierce owns him. Rice is superior in every category.
I don't own either but will look to get rice in redraft this season.
I don't even think pierce is the heir apparent after Rice is gone.
I don't own either but will look to get rice in redraft this season.
I don't even think pierce is the heir apparent after Rice is gone.
cstu
Footballguy
What will keep Rice in Balt. is his contract - one of the best constructed RB contracts I've seen. He was given a $7M option bonus last year which in addition to his $15M signing bonus has the Ravens on the hook for $14M in dead money. That's compared to a relatively low $4M salary this year. Next year his salary is just $3M with $9.5M in dead money.
Both should bounce back but IMO this has the makings of full blown RBBC.
Young 8
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Beating out other scrub rookies for a roster spot =/= beating out two established quality NFL RBs for meaningful regular season touches.
I doubt either is on the team in 2016...if looking at dynasty situation in Balt, you really are looking at short-term, so I would evaluate it like I was evaluating in redraft.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Rice's contract runs through 2016 and contained a big signing bonus and other guaranteed money making it pretty unlikely that he gets cut outright. Baltimore is looking at almost $5 million in dead money against the cap, at a minimum, if they cut Rice prior to the 2016 season.Pierce will be a UFA after 2015, but he'll be 26 for the 2016 season while Rice will be 29 -- it's pretty hard to predict the future obviously, but I'd lean toward Baltimore keeping him around as their RB of the future -- Pierce looked good as a rookie before the wheels fell off of that entire offense last year.
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
He was already toast(ed) at that point, trying to latch onto a team that already has 4 solid RB. I am not championing him as a great talent like the previous poster, I just have an issue with the misappropriation of facts. He is a backup quality RB whose career got ruined, the end.
Team can't live with terrible production that much longer. Whoever that 3rd RB is, even if it is a RB worse than Wood, would have value in that spot. If Wood latches onto a team, for sure pick him off of waivers. He's no more a scrub than Mike James, Andre Brown/Peyton Hillis, Rashad Jennings, Edwin Baker, or any other backup RB left to pick up the pieces of a bad situation.
This thread needs a Blount link
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336133/article/report-legarrette-blount-on-baltimore-ravens-radar
I recently traded for Rice and gave the 1.14 and 2.01 for him and Reggie Wayne. I then acquired Pierce as a throw in in another deal. I was content to keep both until someone offered me his 2015 1st(around 6th overall last 3 years) for Pierce. I gladly shipped him off because I think Rice is the "starter" there for the next two years and as Sweet Love mentioned above, they could both very well be gone/obsolete in 2016.
I guess I can see looking at Pierce as a possible future starter, but I don't understand how he can be valued higher than Rice at the moment. At least Rice had more of an excuse(hip, overweight) for his lack of production last year. What was Pierce's excuse?(not counting team issues since those are a wash for both)
ETA: I shouldn't have used the word excuse. Reason is a better fit. There is no excuse for a well paid professional athlete to be overweight.
I guess I can see looking at Pierce as a possible future starter, but I don't understand how he can be valued higher than Rice at the moment. At least Rice had more of an excuse(hip, overweight) for his lack of production last year. What was Pierce's excuse?(not counting team issues since those are a wash for both)
ETA: I shouldn't have used the word excuse. Reason is a better fit. There is no excuse for a well paid professional athlete to be overweight.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Misappropriation of facts? Wat? Cierre Wood is absolutely scrubtastic man. Sorry, but he is. He's definitely much more of a scrub than any of the dudes you rattled off, well, maybe equal to Edwin Baker. He's waaaaaay more likely to get cut in TC and never get another crack in the NFL than he is to ever see meaningful NFL action. In no way whatsoever is he even remotely worth rostering in any format.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Plus saying "on his 3rd team in less than a year" is a little misleading since after being cut by the Texans we was signed to the Patriots' practice squad before being signed to the Ravens' roster. Being plucked from another team's practice squad is actually a positive.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Not trying to hate. Just trying to be accurate. If you cast him off based on his ND career or not being drafted, that's fine. But I do not see the same confirmation in his NFL career as you do, and wanted to state the case. If he's BAL's RB3 he's a top 100 RB and worth rostering. If he was still in HOU (didn't smoke that night) he's top 75, on par with CJ Anderson and Chris Polk. You're absolutely right that if Blount is signed or a RB is drafted, his spot is in jeopardy but that's completely beside the point to me. There's tons of guys who could be Ryan Grant or Earnest Graham. Yeah most don't but to judge them hastily is bad strategy. If your leagues don't roster NFL RB3s, then you don't care. But if your leagues roster practice squad players, you do.
Mike James is absolutely a mediocre RB. Andre Brown is worse than mediocre. Peyton Hillis is worse than Andre Brown. To say he can't be that mediocre when all we know is he did well in preseason and was cut for smoking indicates you require a high threshold of NFL production in order to make you care about a prospect.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Agree to disagree that simply being a team's RB3 puts anyone in the top 100 RBs. There are plenty of NFL RB3s out there with better pedigree and / or history of production than Cierre Wood. And yeah, the fact that he was undrafted, cut by the Texans (regardless of why), didn't make the active roster in NE, and is now on his 3rd NFL team outweighs preseason performance in my eyes. Wood currently sits 3rd on Baltimore's depth chart, sure. But he's behind two guys who aren't going anywhere, and it's a long way from now until September.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think arithmetic makes that case for me. But that wasn't the case I was trying to make. I value his college resume and winning the spot in HOU more than you. I think there is more value in BAL RB3 than you.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Good to see some consensus here.Rice or Pierce?
- Rice (35 votes [45.45%])
- Too close to call (7 votes [9.09%])
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, we can reasonably disagree on Wood himself and the specific value of Baltimore's RB3 spot.
But I definitely don't think that this statement is true -- there are definitely RB4s out there that I (and most people, I'd imagine) prefer to a guy like Cierre Wood, whether he ends up as the Ravens' 3rd RB or not -- guys with better pedigree, a more unsettled situation ahead of them, a better history of production, etc. it's hard to say right this minute who is where on depth charts exactly, with so much offseason left, but RB4 types last year like Brandon Bolden, CJ Anderson, Khiry Robinson, Felix Jones, Kenjon Barner, Stepfan Taylor, DuJaun Harris, Evan Royster, etc all have a clearer path to meaningful snaps and/or more talent and/or track record as opposed to Wood IMO.
Ha. Almost as much of a consensus as the Cierre Wood debate. If nothing else, this poll shows that the OP is justified in starting this thread. If you only went by fantasy "pro" ranking sheets, you would think Rice is favorite by a good margin. Just confirms why I treat this forum as my number one source for compiling data. Thanks to all who have given solid input.Good to see some consensus here.Rice or Pierce?
- Rice (35 votes [45.45%])
- Too close to call (7 votes [9.09%])
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Re: Rice vs Pierce, I think it depends entirely on individual team makeup, honestly. If I need a RB the next few years, Rice is an easy choice. If I'm set at RB, I'd prefer Pierce.
