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Dynasty: Next guy up at RB? (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth

Sabertooth

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I am combing my waiver wire this morning and noticed a couple of guys seperating themselves as the clear #2 running backs. For dynasty this has been a place where you can locate value in the past. Guys like Rashad Jennings, Lamar Miller, CJ Anderson, Lesean McCoy, Justin Forsett, Jeremy Hill, Alfred Morris, and Jamal Charles all carried the clubs for a year or two before stepping up to prominent roles.

Dynasty is all about divining what is going to happen. If you picked CJ Anderson up last season instead of Ronnie Hillman, you were gold. If you too Jeremy Hill in the late first/early second round of your rookie draft, well you are sitting pretty (Gio be damned).

So this year here are a few guys that have some injury upside but also some long term upside.

Juwan Thompson: Scooped him this morning off the scrap heap when I read this comment from Kubiak via rotoworld:

(Rotoworld)Second-year RB Juwan Thompson is reportedly challenging for the Broncos' No. 2 running back job.

Analysis: Thompson averaged 5.0 yards on 54 carries as an undrafted rookie out of Duke last season, scoring three touchdowns. He's reportedly putting heat on Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman behind C.J. Anderson. "Forty (Thompson's number) looked unbelievable today," coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's practice. "He's built for what we do." It's time to add Thompson in all Dynasty leagues and put him on the re-draft sleeper radar.

Note he doesn't say looked adequate or solid, he says "Unbelievable." That seems like some lofty praise from a guy who has seen a few backs in his day. Obviously Thompsons upside if he wins the 2 spot and CJ were to get hurt is huge. We saw it last season, when Anderson banged out 25+ point a game.

Robert Turbin: He's shown that he can play when pressed into action. His surgeries (double hip surgery) this offseason was a bit of a flag but I believe he's cleared to play. He's a free agent after this season so even without a Lynch injury I'd be adding him all over. I could really see him going to a team and making a splash. I'm not saying Dallas, but does anyone think Randle would be the guy with Turbin there? I don't. Athletic freak Christine Michael is another possibility but let be honest, he's never threatened Turbin.

Michael Dyer: Let's face it, Latavius Murray is the starter. But who is there after him? Murray looks to my like a player who has yet to establish himself as a starter. He had a very good game vs. KC but he didn't do enough to cement himself. If he falters, or gets hurt again, who is going to pick up the slack. I think it's Dyer. Remember just last season Murray was in this same position and now he's a top 20 back despite not doing a ton.

Knile Davis: Love the kid, love his talent. He'd start for probably 10-15 teams pretty easily. I mention him 4th because he's most likely already rostered in dynasty leagues. The guys above all have a chance to be on waiver wires.

Who else is out there that has the skills and just needs the chance to turn into dynasty gold?

 
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Dan Herron is a guy I'm keeping an eye on. Indy signed Gore to be the bellcow, but who knows how much he has left in the tank and Herron performed very well last year when given the opportunity. And in that offense, look out.

 
Cameron Artis-Payne should be on your list. Reports out of camp are he's looked good and he has a fragile Stewart as the starting RB.

 
Am I the only one that prefers Josh Robinson to Herron, from a dynasty perspective?

Also, have seen some love for Rex Burkhead... in theory he could fill in for either Gio or Hill should one of them go down. Even ran in the slot some last year and has been used as a bit of a swiss army knife in camp so far.

 
Sabertooth said:
Juwan Thompson: Scooped him this morning off the scrap heap when I read this comment from Kubiak via rotoworld:

(Rotoworld)Second-year RB Juwan Thompson is reportedly challenging for the Broncos' No. 2 running back job.

Analysis: Thompson averaged 5.0 yards on 54 carries as an undrafted rookie out of Duke last season, scoring three touchdowns. He's reportedly putting heat on Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman behind C.J. Anderson. "Forty (Thompson's number) looked unbelievable today," coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's practice. "He's built for what we do." It's time to add Thompson in all Dynasty leagues and put him on the re-draft sleeper radar.

Note he doesn't say looked adequate or solid, he says "Unbelievable." That seems like some lofty praise from a guy who has seen a few backs in his day. Obviously Thompsons upside if he wins the 2 spot and CJ were to get hurt is huge. We saw it last season, when Anderson banged out 25+ point a game.
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This guy, right here. He played well at Duke, looked good last camp. Wanted to see him play more last year, but another year of development should help. Ball has talent but the opportunity is there for Juwan. (FWIW, I grabbed him last year before the season, a definite hold or buy now)

 
FUBAR said:
Sabertooth said:
Juwan Thompson: Scooped him this morning off the scrap heap when I read this comment from Kubiak via rotoworld:

(Rotoworld)Second-year RB Juwan Thompson is reportedly challenging for the Broncos' No. 2 running back job.

Analysis: Thompson averaged 5.0 yards on 54 carries as an undrafted rookie out of Duke last season, scoring three touchdowns. He's reportedly putting heat on Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman behind C.J. Anderson. "Forty (Thompson's number) looked unbelievable today," coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's practice. "He's built for what we do." It's time to add Thompson in all Dynasty leagues and put him on the re-draft sleeper radar.

Note he doesn't say looked adequate or solid, he says "Unbelievable." That seems like some lofty praise from a guy who has seen a few backs in his day. Obviously Thompsons upside if he wins the 2 spot and CJ were to get hurt is huge. We saw it last season, when Anderson banged out 25+ point a game.
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This guy, right here. He played well at Duke, looked good last camp. Wanted to see him play more last year, but another year of development should help. Ball has talent but the opportunity is there for Juwan. (FWIW, I grabbed him last year before the season, a definite hold or buy now)
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i liked him last year but the RB situation in Denver is a mess. CJ, Montee, Hillman and Juwan too? a lot has to break right for him to be relevant. he's got the tools including the personal recommendation of Cutcliffe who is *very* close to Peyton.

 
Sabertooth said:
I am combing my waiver wire this morning and noticed a couple of guys seperating themselves as the clear #2 running backs. For dynasty this has been a place where you can locate value in the past. Guys like Rashad Jennings, Lamar Miller, CJ Anderson, Lesean McCoy, Justin Forsett, Jeremy Hill, Alfred Morris, and Jamal Charles all carried the clubs for a year or two before stepping up to prominent roles.
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I like the idea, but I wonder if some of their are different types of RBs and without looking, which types seem to jump onto the scene.

For instance, Hill and Morris had great rookie seasons. They never carried anyone's clubs for a year or two. How could you see the signs? Morris was hyped like crazy and Hill was a 2nd round pick where the incumbent was solid but not really considered a bell cow. Morris also didn't have much in the way, so once they played well they were able to easily entrench themselves.

McCoy and Charles didn't do much their rookie seasons except look good enough to be the guy. Charles had 5.3 ypc and 10+ ypr and McCoy had almost 1000 total yards. Not too FF as rookies, but it seemed like they could takeover when given the chance. Charles had 30 year old LJ in front of him who had missed 12 games the prior two seasons after getting over 800 touches the two seasons before that. Reading the tea leaves, it wouldn't have been hard to think LJ would fall apart. I know I grabbed Charles late in 2009 and enjoyed a couple great keeper years out of him before the ACL. McCoy had a 30 year old Westbrook in front of him who only got 61 carries in McCoy's rookie season. Again, pretty easy to see the light at the end of the tunnel his second year. That said, McCoy and Charles were 2nd and 3rd round picks, so they had talent as well. Charles probably went lower just based on his smaller frame (sub 200 lbs).

Miller was a little slower than McCoy/Charles in terms of doing well in year 3. His rookie year Bush was the man, but in year 2, he didn't really take the bull by the horns. That said, in year 2, it definitely got clear that Thomas was not better, so that showed the opening for being the guy in year 3. I think I would put Miller in the McCoy/Charles boat, but less talented, so maybe the break out took a little longer, but the clear sight to being the man was there.

Forsett and Jennings, are tougher ones. They took so long to break out and honestly if McFadden wasn't made of glass, Jennings is likely still a back up nobody knows. The one thing both had was a clear sight and both, albeit in limited touches, achieved over 5ypc in 2 years before breaking out to become FF viable.

CJ Anderson is somewhat of a fluke. Montee Ball was supposed to break out in 2014. In 2014, he appeared to be the McCoy/Charles above. Moreno was gone, door open and he was supposed to go through it. CJ Anderson was hyped a little, but honestly, no one before the drafts was predicting he would be leading FF teams to championships.

So, we have guys with lots of hype in pre-season of rookie years who don't have much in the way to become the primary ball carrier, guys with some talent with a door open in their second (or third if lower round picks) year, guys who have been around as backups and flashed high ypc in limited time and then have open doors and guys who were basically fluke waiver wire pickups.

Seems like cases 1 to 3 could be spotted, but case 4 is just luck of the draw.

 
saintfool said:
FUBAR said:
Sabertooth said:
Juwan Thompson: Scooped him this morning off the scrap heap when I read this comment from Kubiak via rotoworld:

(Rotoworld)Second-year RB Juwan Thompson is reportedly challenging for the Broncos' No. 2 running back job.

Analysis: Thompson averaged 5.0 yards on 54 carries as an undrafted rookie out of Duke last season, scoring three touchdowns. He's reportedly putting heat on Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman behind C.J. Anderson. "Forty (Thompson's number) looked unbelievable today," coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's practice. "He's built for what we do." It's time to add Thompson in all Dynasty leagues and put him on the re-draft sleeper radar.

Note he doesn't say looked adequate or solid, he says "Unbelievable." That seems like some lofty praise from a guy who has seen a few backs in his day. Obviously Thompsons upside if he wins the 2 spot and CJ were to get hurt is huge. We saw it last season, when Anderson banged out 25+ point a game.
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This guy, right here. He played well at Duke, looked good last camp. Wanted to see him play more last year, but another year of development should help. Ball has talent but the opportunity is there for Juwan. (FWIW, I grabbed him last year before the season, a definite hold or buy now)
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i liked him last year but the RB situation in Denver is a mess. CJ, Montee, Hillman and Juwan too? a lot has to break right for him to be relevant. he's got the tools including the personal recommendation of Cutcliffe who is *very* close to Peyton.
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Are you thinking Thompson could pass CJ? Just wondering as I know Peyton lauded CJ a few times after some incredible plays. I think Peyton likes CJ alot.

For instance: LINK nice play beating a hell of a player

That's the type of stuff that makes me like CJ a lot this year. That said, I like the info because you want to make sure you get a the best handcuff.

 
saintfool said:
FUBAR said:
Sabertooth said:
Juwan Thompson: Scooped him this morning off the scrap heap when I read this comment from Kubiak via rotoworld:

(Rotoworld)Second-year RB Juwan Thompson is reportedly challenging for the Broncos' No. 2 running back job.

Analysis: Thompson averaged 5.0 yards on 54 carries as an undrafted rookie out of Duke last season, scoring three touchdowns. He's reportedly putting heat on Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman behind C.J. Anderson. "Forty (Thompson's number) looked unbelievable today," coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's practice. "He's built for what we do." It's time to add Thompson in all Dynasty leagues and put him on the re-draft sleeper radar.

Note he doesn't say looked adequate or solid, he says "Unbelievable." That seems like some lofty praise from a guy who has seen a few backs in his day. Obviously Thompsons upside if he wins the 2 spot and CJ were to get hurt is huge. We saw it last season, when Anderson banged out 25+ point a game.
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This guy, right here. He played well at Duke, looked good last camp. Wanted to see him play more last year, but another year of development should help. Ball has talent but the opportunity is there for Juwan. (FWIW, I grabbed him last year before the season, a definite hold or buy now)
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i liked him last year but the RB situation in Denver is a mess. CJ, Montee, Hillman and Juwan too? a lot has to break right for him to be relevant. he's got the tools including the personal recommendation of Cutcliffe who is *very* close to Peyton.
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I don't think he's going to have a lot of trouble ascending to the 2 spot. After that, it's going to be pretty hard to unseat CJ.
 
Sabertooth said:
saintfool said:
FUBAR said:
Sabertooth said:
Juwan Thompson: Scooped him this morning off the scrap heap when I read this comment from Kubiak via rotoworld:

(Rotoworld)Second-year RB Juwan Thompson is reportedly challenging for the Broncos' No. 2 running back job.

Analysis: Thompson averaged 5.0 yards on 54 carries as an undrafted rookie out of Duke last season, scoring three touchdowns. He's reportedly putting heat on Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman behind C.J. Anderson. "Forty (Thompson's number) looked unbelievable today," coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's practice. "He's built for what we do." It's time to add Thompson in all Dynasty leagues and put him on the re-draft sleeper radar.

Note he doesn't say looked adequate or solid, he says "Unbelievable." That seems like some lofty praise from a guy who has seen a few backs in his day. Obviously Thompsons upside if he wins the 2 spot and CJ were to get hurt is huge. We saw it last season, when Anderson banged out 25+ point a game.
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This guy, right here. He played well at Duke, looked good last camp. Wanted to see him play more last year, but another year of development should help. Ball has talent but the opportunity is there for Juwan. (FWIW, I grabbed him last year before the season, a definite hold or buy now)
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i liked him last year but the RB situation in Denver is a mess. CJ, Montee, Hillman and Juwan too? a lot has to break right for him to be relevant. he's got the tools including the personal recommendation of Cutcliffe who is *very* close to Peyton.
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I don't think he's going to have a lot of trouble ascending to the 2 spot. After that, it's going to be pretty hard to unseat CJ.
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Sure. But at his price, he's worth the chance of injury to CJA

 
Sure is. And if he could certainly Wally Pip him as well. This team isn't married to CJ any more than they are to Monte Ball.

 
This thread just reminds my of the pain I caused myself for dropping CJ, after holding him for a year, for Juwan in dynasty last year. I'm an idiot.

 
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All in on Juwan Thompson, Michael Dyer and Josh Robinson.

I do own both CJ and Latavius, but think if anything happens to either player - Thompson and Dyer will be the "next man up".

Juwan had me worried for a moment last year, as a CJ owner - the kid looked good. CJ is the better back, but Juwan seemed to have instincts that Ball clearly lacked.

Dyer Can start in this league. And I'm a firm believer in Lat Murray - there are only 2 NFL caliber RB's on the Raiders - Murray and Dyer. Murray has the "Peterson-lite/Demarco" potential, and Dyer has the stronger/steady, more classic RB style that most starting RB's have. (Meaning not elite, but still feature back).

Josh Robinson is in a great situation - bummed I wasn't able to land him in my rookie draft. Sometging screams "big future" about him. Young tough bowling ball back in an elite passing offense - I'm buying cheap early.

A guy that nobody seems to talk about, that I really still like is - Lorenzo Tailiaferro. I think he is the sure backup to Forsett and will flash every down potential this season.

Honorable mention: Zach Zenner

Great thread.

 
David Johnson - All he has is a undersized Ellington in his way. Who just happened to have a pretty poor year last year.

Andre Williams - Maybe to late but he might be on someones WW. He's not going to get you many catches but double digit TD's and 1000 yards is possible.

Mike Davis - There's a chance he wrestles the job away from Hyde. It wouldn't take much. If he is focused and in shape I would love to grab him for a cheap stash.

 
Milkman said:
David Johnson - All he has is a undersized Ellington in his way. Who just happened to have a pretty poor year last year.

Andre Williams - Maybe to late but he might be on someones WW. He's not going to get you many catches but double digit TD's and 1000 yards is possible.

Mike Davis - There's a chance he wrestles the job away from Hyde. It wouldn't take much. If he is focused and in shape I would love to grab him for a cheap stash.
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agree strongly with 1st and 3rd hereAlso, the bengals willingness to get Burkhead on the field should tell us how good he actually is. If he ever gets a chance...

 
I think Juwan Thompson is a good stash in dynasty leagues. He's currently their RB3 (ahead of Ball), but something tells me he would pass Hillman fairly quickly if Anderson went down. He's a better fit in their offense. Kubiak seems to love Thompson & he's vastly underrated, IMO.

I also think it's a possibility Thompson could take the feature back role from Anderson at some point (whether this season or in 2016). Thompson is a strong natural runner with surprising burst. He's also their best pass protector & is a good receiver.

 
Bryce Brown didn't fumble last night. The Bills unexpectedly cut Fred Jackson. It seems Buffalo feels good about what they have behind McCoy.

I think Brown is the #2 behind McCoy as long as he holds onto the ball. If McCoy goes down Bryce Brown becomes a solid RB2.

 
Anyone picking up antonio andrews? Cobb seems injury prone and sankey could lose goaline touches to andrews or more if he falls flat.

 
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Juwan Thompson dead even with Bryce Brown for me.
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But he wasnt in your OP. Not trolling, just wondering why. Is it because he is rostered in most leagues.

I had to trade some RB depth to get a TE yesterday. Im looking for someone I can pick up and both of these guys are available (keeper league). I have CJ Anderson. Wondering if either will pay dividends this year

 
Who Bryce? Well, Fred Jackson was kind of a big obstacle to all Bills getting playing time.

If I had CJ, I'd lean Juwan for sure. All things being equal I have Juwan even with Bryce, both have their drawbacks. However all things being equal, I'll always snag the handcuff.

 
I think it's pretty safe to assume the book has been written on Bryce Brown. Sure he's talented and all but the fumbles just don't stop. Coaches can't trust him and Karlos has sealed up #2 duty in my mind now that Jackson is gone. He's the McCoy handcuff not Bryce.

 
Zyphros said:
I think it's pretty safe to assume the book has been written on Bryce Brown. Sure he's talented and all but the fumbles just don't stop. Coaches can't trust him and Karlos has sealed up #2 duty in my mind now that Jackson is gone. He's the McCoy handcuff not Bryce.
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I've posted it elsewhere multiple times. The fumbles are kind of a tired narrative. He fumbled four times his rookie year in ~150 touches. Since he's fumbled once across nearly the same amount of touches.

Fumbling can be fixed. Look at Tiki Barber. To me, Brown has a ton of pure talent running the football.

 
JFS171 said:
Zyphros said:
I think it's pretty safe to assume the book has been written on Bryce Brown. Sure he's talented and all but the fumbles just don't stop. Coaches can't trust him and Karlos has sealed up #2 duty in my mind now that Jackson is gone. He's the McCoy handcuff not Bryce.
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I've posted it elsewhere multiple times. The fumbles are kind of a tired narrative. He fumbled four times his rookie year in ~150 touches. Since he's fumbled once across nearly the same amount of touches.

Fumbling can be fixed. Look at Tiki Barber. To me, Brown has a ton of pure talent running the football.
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And how long have we been waiting for him to fix his fumbles? It's been all 3 years and every year is the one where we think he's fixed his issues and is going to get playing time. It's the same thing every year, "Chip can fix his fumble issues and gain his trust", oh no he's not an eagle anymore. "Rex can fix his issues and make him a star" oh he's being outplayed by a rookie whose been a RB for less than 3 years... It's his 4th year in the league, and not just for him, but most books are complete by that time. He could be an exception but I have plenty of doubts so I'll take a flyer elsewhere.

 
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