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dynasty ppr ...list your top ten rookies in order (1 Viewer)

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DansRams

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Mattews - Best all around back in draft. 3 down potential in a great young offence...what's not to like

Bryant - just draft and look forward to 5-8 pro bowls seasons

B Tate - I think he actually breaks into top 15 rb's due to the favorable situation

Best - IMO highest upside of any back in draft...like his situation better than Spillers

Spiller - Almost as high of upside as Best and a little less downside...but situation sucks

Thomas - Would be top 4 but the tebow situation makes me nervous

G Tate - Will be a very nice fantasy wr 2/3 and put in a situation to suceed early

S Bradford - You will have to be patient but the upside is worth it

Benn - Boom or bust in a "just ok" situation...as least he'll be starting soon

Hardesty - I like the player, but the 3rb situation in Cleveland is ugly

 
Ryan Mathews

Jahvid Best

Dez Bryant

Arrelious Benn

Ben Tate

Sam Bradford

Jimmy Clausen

Montario Hardesty

CJ Spiller

Taylor Price

 
Matthews

Bryant

Best

Spiller

B Tate

Hardesty

G Tate

Thomas ( would be higher except for the Tebo Factor)

Benn

D. Williams

 
Non-ppr:

1. Matthews

2. Spiller

3. Bryant

4. Best

5. Ben Tate

6. Hardesty

7. Thomas

8. Bradford

9. G. Tate

10. ??? McCluster/Benn/Dwyer

Trading out or up if I'm 1.08 or later.

 
There's probably 3 or 4 more WR's I would draft instead of Bradford. I don't think Bradford will be a bust but he's a long way from being a relevant fantasy QB.

 
Anyone that doesn't put Bryant at #1 in a ppr dynasty league is out of their damn mind.

Bryant

Mathews

Spiller

Best

B Tate

Benn

G Tate

Hardesty

Thomas

Gresham

Bradford

Gronkowski

Damien Williams

Decker

McCluster

Clausen

LaFell

Price

 
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JohnnyU said:
Anyone that doesn't put Bryant at #1 in a ppr dynasty league is out of their damn mind. BryantMathewsSpillerBestB TateBennG TateHardestyGreshamGronkowskiBradfordDamien WilliamsDeckerMcClusterClausenLaFellPrice
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Dwyer not in the top 17?
 
DansRams said:
lyon812 said:
Ryan MathewsJahvid BestDez BryantArrelious BennBen TateSam BradfordJimmy ClausenMontario HardestyCJ SpillerTaylor Price
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Wow...why so high on Benn, Clausen and Price and so low on Thomas, Spiller and G Tate?
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High on: Benn -- Great situation. Young, strong-armed QB who impressed. Clear #1WR without competition. Not the only threat on the field--he and Winslow will help each other.Clausen -- High familiarity with the system, and I had him rated about equal with Bradford. Upper tier dynasty QBs are a valuable commodity--they can be the anchor of your team for many years, and in many scoring systems are the top scorers year in, year out. Price -- Good hands and catches away from his body. Great intermediate and deep speed, good route runner with quick and agile cuts to ensure separation. I think he's in the perfect spot to be a top producer in 2-3 years. Low on:Thomas -- He's #1 on my list of bust candidates, which I've said plenty elsewhere. I think he'll take awhile to develop, if he does at all. He's boom-bust, and the predraft hype reminds me of DHB. That being said, he is #11 on my list. Spiller -- Because I see him more as Reggie Bush than Chris Johnson. I think he's destined to be the dynamic-but-lesser half of a committee. Really, I think this is representative of how people see Spiller: Half think uberstud, half think committee back, and both sides are convinced the other is crazy. Tate -- Just something about him doesn't fill me with confidence. As the Seahawks are my local team, I'd love to be wrong. He's #12 at the moment. He seems to be good enough but not great enough at anything.Didn't make the cut because they aren't drafted: Gilyard, Cooper, White, Dixon, Dwyer. If a RB goes to the Seahawks, he'll mandate serious consideration in the top 10.
 
lyon812 said:
DansRams said:
lyon812 said:
Ryan MathewsJahvid BestDez BryantArrelious BennBen TateSam BradfordJimmy ClausenMontario HardestyCJ SpillerTaylor Price
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Wow...why so high on Benn, Clausen and Price and so low on Thomas, Spiller and G Tate?
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High on: Benn -- Great situation. Young, strong-armed QB who impressed. Clear #1WR without competition. Not the only threat on the field--he and Winslow will help each other.Clausen -- High familiarity with the system, and I had him rated about equal with Bradford. Upper tier dynasty QBs are a valuable commodity--they can be the anchor of your team for many years, and in many scoring systems are the top scorers year in, year out. Price -- Good hands and catches away from his body. Great intermediate and deep speed, good route runner with quick and agile cuts to ensure separation. I think he's in the perfect spot to be a top producer in 2-3 years. I also trust NE and their system. That being said, I completely understand why someone would put Thomas here. Low on:Thomas -- He's #1 on my list of bust candidates, which I've said plenty elsewhere. I think he'll take awhile to develop, if he does at all. He's boom-bust, and the predraft hype reminds me of DHB. That being said, he is #11 on my list. Spiller -- Because I see him more as Reggie Bush than Chris Johnson. I think he's destined to be the dynamic-but-lesser half of a committee. Really, I think this is representative of how people see Spiller: Half think uberstud, half think committee back, and both sides are convinced the other is crazy. Tate -- Just something about him doesn't fill me with confidence. As the Seahawks are my local team, I'd love to be wrong. He's #12 at the moment. He seems to be good enough but not great enough at anything.Didn't make the cut because they aren't drafted: Gilyard, Cooper, White, Dixon, Dwyer. If a RB goes to the Seahawks, he'll mandate serious consideration in the top 10.
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No way are Gronk and Gresham ahead of Bradford..
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You're right. I should move Bradford ahead of Gronkowski. I like any elite WR or TE over a QB. I just don't see Bradford as being all that.
 
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Ryan Mathews

Dez Bryant

Jahvid Best

Dwyer

B. Tate

D. Thomas

Hardesty

G. Tate

A. Roberts

Clausen

Bradford

Spiller

Benn

D. Williams

LaFell

Gilyard

Easley

 
awesomeness said:
Ryan MathewsDez BryantJahvid BestDwyerB. TateD. ThomasHardestyG. TateA. RobertsClausenBradfordSpillerBennD. WilliamsLaFellGilyardEasley
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So if Dwyer is drafted into an unknown he still makes it to #4??what if a team loaded at RB takes him?
 
Garts said:
awesomeness said:
Ryan MathewsDez BryantJahvid BestDwyerB. TateD. ThomasHardestyG. TateA. RobertsClausenBradfordSpillerBennD. WilliamsLaFellGilyardEasley
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So if Dwyer is drafted into an unknown he still makes it to #4??what if a team loaded at RB takes him?
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I'm just making my rankings with the information that i currently have. I'm not gonna drop him because of the possibility that he will be drafted into a bad situation because there is just as good a chance he will be drafted into a good situation.
 
Garts said:
So if Dwyer is drafted into an unknown he still makes it to #4??what if a team loaded at RB takes him?
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If Dwyer is the goods, he'll get his.I'll let someone else take Ben Tate that high. Lot of players get put in good situations, but fail.
 
massraider said:
Garts said:
So if Dwyer is drafted into an unknown he still makes it to #4??what if a team loaded at RB takes him?
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If Dwyer is the goods, he'll get his.I'll let someone else take Ben Tate that high. Lot of players get put in good situations, but fail.
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:goodposting: Massraider on all 3 points!!Dez BryantRyan MathewsJahvid BestSpillerDwyerBennHardestyG. TateD. ThomasA. RobertsMcClusterB. TateBradfordD. WilliamsDeckerGronkowski
 
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In my eyes, a big drop-off occurs from 1.6-1.7:

RB Matthews Chargers

RB Spiller Bills

RB Best Lions

WR Bryant Cowboys

RB B Tate Texans

RB Hardesty Browns

WR Benn Bucs

WR Thomas Broncos

WR G Tate Seahawks

WR McCluster Chiefs

WR Decker Broncos

RB Gerhart Vikings

WR LaFell Panthers

WR Shipley Bengals

WR Roberts Cardinals

 
jonboltz said:
In my eyes, a big drop-off occurs from 1.6-1.7:RB Matthews ChargersRB Spiller BillsRB Best LionsWR Bryant CowboysRB B Tate TexansRB Hardesty BrownsWR Benn BucsWR Thomas BroncosWR G Tate SeahawksWR McCluster ChiefsWR Decker BroncosRB Gerhart VikingsWR LaFell PanthersWR Shipley BengalsWR Roberts Cardinals
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:thumbup: Agreed on the oceanic drop-off after #6 as of right now.Non-PPR:MatthewsBestSpillerBryantTateHardestyD. Thomas (big risk/reward, but reward will take at least three years)Dwyer, Dixon, and McKnight could pop somewhere on the list around the 4th tier if they go to a favorable RB situation like Seattle.
 
There is a pretty clear top 2:

Ryan Mathews - Every down RBs in favorable situations are hard to come by in fantasy. Mathews is one of those guys though I don't think he is an elite talent (elite being a guy like Peterson/Gore/Johnson).

Dez Bryant - Couldn't have landed in a better spot IMO. Has a great infrastructure around him, a good QB, great Oline, great running game to prevent too much attention from coverage and one of the best TE's in the NFL to keep the middle and S's honest.

B. Tate - I've been a big believer in Tate for a while now and think Hou is a perfect spot for him and his running strengths.

A. Benn - Highly underrated player who will be the #1 WR on his team very, very soon.

D. Thomas - Although I think he has huge bust potential and I'm terrified as to what is going to happen with the Tebow experiment, he should be the #1 WR in Den very shortly. Or at least he will have the opportunity to be the #1.

Clausen - IMO the most NFL ready QB in this class and maybe the best overall QB in this class as well. His drop was scary but in the end landing in Car is probably the best thing that could have ever happened to him. Familiar system, great running attack with 2 elite RBs to rely on and little competition in front of him.

Hardesty - Like Tate, I've been a fan of this guy for a while. Physically he can do it all but isn't going to blow anyone away in any one category. What I love about Hardesty most is his ability to break tackles. Harrison is all that stands in his way and IMO that isn't much. Clev is a mess or else he would be higher.

Jahvid Best - This is the best (no pun intended) pure runner in the draft. Take away some of the medical concerns and I think he goes 10 picks earlier. I'd love to place him higher on the list but there is some serious concern for RBBC and quite frankly I just don't know that I can ever see him as an every down player, despite his abilities.

Spiller - Like Best, Spiller has great natural ability and is maybe the most explosive player in the entire draft. I question his ability to run between the tackles though and I'm not sure I ever see him as a featured RB.

LaFell - I loved LaFell a couple of years ago but he hasn't grown quite as well as one would have hoped. Could some of the QB issues at LSU be to blame? I don't know. LaFell has the ability to become a great NFL WR though. He has a great frame, adequate speed and uses his body well in traffic.

Bradford - Not a huge fan of Bradford but I think he has the ability to become a decent starter. My largest worry with him however is the pressure he will face in St.L due to the Oline and lack of weapons.

G. Tate - I know Tate had a pretty impressive off-season, but I'm just not sold on him and going to Sea didn't really help me feel any better about his situation.

 
Christo said:
JohnnyU said:
Anyone that doesn't put Bryant at #1 in a ppr dynasty league is out of their damn mind.
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There's more to it than strictly long term fantasy production comparison. I would take Matthews because of his added short term trade value. After the 2010 season, chances are that you could trade away Matthews in a modest bundle for any receiver in the league. Dez has lots of competition in Dallas to put up big number immediately. Who's going to take the hit? Austin? Whitten? Then you add Felix's potential... I just think there's one too many guys there. Something has to give - so I'm not putting my money on the unproven rookie over Miles Austin.So if you are forced to keep (and not trade) the player you draft at 1.01, then I would probably go Dez. But solid, every-down running backs command too much value accrss fantasy leagues to pass up a player like Matthews in a situation like San Diego. Think about it like this... The best you could hope for is that Dez is the next Moss or Fitz or Andre Johnson... Yet in every single dynasty draft in the world right now has CJ, AP, RR, and MJD as the top 4 clear cut picks. Why is that? Perceived value.
 
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footballsavvy said:
Christo said:
JohnnyU said:
Anyone that doesn't put Bryant at #1 in a ppr dynasty league is out of their damn mind.
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:popcorn:
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There's more to it than strictly long term fantasy production comparison. I would take Matthews because of his added short term trade value. After the 2010 season, chances are that you could trade away Matthews in a modest bundle for any receiver in the league. Dez has lots of competition in Dallas to put up big number immediately. Who's going to take the hit? Austin? Whitten? Then you add Felix's potential... I just think there's one too many guys there. Something has to give - so I'm not putting my money on the unproven rookie over Miles Austin.So if you are forced to keep (and not trade) the player you draft at 1.01, then I would probably go Dez. But solid, every-down running backs command too much value accrss fantasy leagues to pass up a player like Matthews in a situation like San Diego. Think about it like this... The best you could hope for is that Dez is the next Moss or Fitz or Andre Johnson... Yet in every single dynasty draft in the world right now has CJ, AP, RR, and MJD as the top 4 clear cut picks. Why is that? Perceived value.
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Yet at the end of the day one thing is the same. Ryan Mathews is good but not great and Dez is great. Let's not forget how bad the SD OL is, but that's a moot point. The point here is talent.
 
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JohnnyU said:
Yet at the end of the day one thing is the same. Ryan Mathews is good but not great and Dez is great. Let's not forget how bad the SD OL is, but that's a moot point. The point here is talent.
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If Dez is so great then why did Mathews get pick before him and why did Thomas get pick before him?I'm just playing devil's advocate here a little of course but still, it's a valid question. Bryant, despite what people on the board here may think, is far from a lock type prospect.
 
footballsavvy said:
Christo said:
JohnnyU said:
Anyone that doesn't put Bryant at #1 in a ppr dynasty league is out of their damn mind.
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:goodposting:
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There's more to it than strictly long term fantasy production comparison. I would take Matthews because of his added short term trade value. After the 2010 season, chances are that you could trade away Matthews in a modest bundle for any receiver in the league. Dez has lots of competition in Dallas to put up big number immediately. Who's going to take the hit? Austin? Whitten? Then you add Felix's potential... I just think there's one too many guys there. Something has to give - so I'm not putting my money on the unproven rookie over Miles Austin.So if you are forced to keep (and not trade) the player you draft at 1.01, then I would probably go Dez. But solid, every-down running backs command too much value accrss fantasy leagues to pass up a player like Matthews in a situation like San Diego. Think about it like this... The best you could hope for is that Dez is the next Moss or Fitz or Andre Johnson... Yet in every single dynasty draft in the world right now has CJ, AP, RR, and MJD as the top 4 clear cut picks. Why is that? Perceived value.
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It's a rookie draft. Talent first, talent second, talent third. And then I would consider . . . talent.
 
jurb26 said:
JohnnyU said:
Yet at the end of the day one thing is the same. Ryan Mathews is good but not great and Dez is great. Let's not forget how bad the SD OL is, but that's a moot point. The point here is talent.
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If Dez is so great then why did Mathews get pick before him and why did Thomas get pick before him?I'm just playing devil's advocate here a little of course but still, it's a valid question. Bryant, despite what people on the board here may think, is far from a lock type prospect.
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Matthews was picked first because of need. And everyone and their dog knows Thomas went first for the same reason Marshall was traded--coach's ego.Dez is the closest thing to a lock as there is in this draft.
 
It seems like people here are just regurgitating one-liners that they are used to reading on fantasy sties. There are other variables, and when the obvious gets ignored you end up kicking yourself.

The concept of "drafting talent over situation" mostly applies to scenarios like Spiller in Buffalo. I confidently feel that if I draft Matthews I would ultimately use him to build a better team than simply drafting Dez and holding on to him. I could draft Matthews and end up with Dez, plus some, by 2011.

 
Hmmm.... so how does the Mike Williams pick affect Benn's value? All of those comments about Benn being the immediate primary receiver in TB might not be quite as relevant now. I'm short on Benn knowledge, but it seems like Williams is the bigger play maker. Is Benn the "possession" guy of the two?

 
footballsavvy said:
It seems like people here are just regurgitating one-liners that they are used to reading on fantasy sties. There are other variables, and when the obvious gets ignored you end up kicking yourself.The concept of "drafting talent over situation" mostly applies to scenarios like Spiller in Buffalo. I confidently feel that if I draft Matthews I would ultimately use him to build a better team than simply drafting Dez and holding on to him. I could draft Matthews and end up with Dez, plus some, by 2011.
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:shrug: :bye:
 
Christo said:
footballsavvy said:
It seems like people here are just regurgitating one-liners that they are used to reading on fantasy sties. There are other variables, and when the obvious gets ignored you end up kicking yourself.The concept of "drafting talent over situation" mostly applies to scenarios like Spiller in Buffalo. I confidently feel that if I draft Matthews I would ultimately use him to build a better team than simply drafting Dez and holding on to him. I could draft Matthews and end up with Dez, plus some, by 2011.
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:shrug: :bye:
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Sorry bro, I don't really know how to interpret all those little cartoon things. If you use words, I might have a relevant response.
 
I would take Dez first because of the longetivity of WR's compared to RB's, but Mathews is the goods people and is quite talented himself.

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As for those excited about Dez ending up in Dallas, it often takes 2-3 years for a WR to really contribute or for the lightbulb to come so to speak, any concern that Romo is 30 years old this year? By the time Dez hits his stride, Romo might be near the end of his career. I'm not sure it really matters too much, but it did occur to me just now.

 
footballsavvy said:
Hmmm.... so how does the Mike Williams pick affect Benn's value? All of those comments about Benn being the immediate primary receiver in TB might not be quite as relevant now. I'm short on Benn knowledge, but it seems like Williams is the bigger play maker. Is Benn the "possession" guy of the two?
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TB had a huge hole at WR entering this draft. Benn was picked a full 2 rounds earlier than Williams so I don't think there is going to be much expectation for Williams to take the #1 role from him. Of course he could if he turns out to be the better pro but Williams is a swing for the fences type prospect IMO. If both guys work out then I would see it unfolding the way you do. Benn would be the "possession" guy but with a bit more downfield ability than the average "possession" guy and Williams would be the field stretching big play guy.
 
jurb26 said:
footballsavvy said:
Hmmm.... so how does the Mike Williams pick affect Benn's value? All of those comments about Benn being the immediate primary receiver in TB might not be quite as relevant now. I'm short on Benn knowledge, but it seems like Williams is the bigger play maker. Is Benn the "possession" guy of the two?
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TB had a huge hole at WR entering this draft. Benn was picked a full 2 rounds earlier than Williams so I don't think there is going to be much expectation for Williams to take the #1 role from him. Of course he could if he turns out to be the better pro but Williams is a swing for the fences type prospect IMO. If both guys work out then I would see it unfolding the way you do. Benn would be the "possession" guy but with a bit more downfield ability than the average "possession" guy and Williams would be the field stretching big play guy.
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Sounds reasonable... however, the only reason Mike Williams wasn't a 2nd round pick (or 1st?) was character concerns. If those turned out not to be an issue I'm not sure he would not be afforded the same immediate opportunity as Benn, regardless of his round selection. We can't forget about Straughter, who showed flashes last year. Oh, whats up with the insane Dwyer slide? How many months has it been since he was considered the top RB prospect in this year's draft? I ridiculed a mock last week that had Dwyer going in the 7th.... now, I'm preparing to shove my foot in my mouth.
 
Buckna said:
I would take Dez first because of the longetivity of WR's compared to RB's, but Mathews is the goods people and is quite talented himself.~~~~~As for those excited about Dez ending up in Dallas, it often takes 2-3 years for a WR to really contribute or for the lightbulb to come so to speak, any concern that Romo is 30 years old this year? By the time Dez hits his stride, Romo might be near the end of his career. I'm not sure it really matters too much, but it did occur to me just now.
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I appreciate your posts, but sorry, it's not going to take a beast like Bryant years to "hit his stride". He's better than Crabtree, Britt, Nicks, etc. How did they look last year? Your statement about Romo is not a good one with regards to Bryant.
 
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JohnnyU said:
Buckna said:
I would take Dez first because of the longetivity of WR's compared to RB's, but Mathews is the goods people and is quite talented himself.~~~~~As for those excited about Dez ending up in Dallas, it often takes 2-3 years for a WR to really contribute or for the lightbulb to come so to speak, any concern that Romo is 30 years old this year? By the time Dez hits his stride, Romo might be near the end of his career. I'm not sure it really matters too much, but it did occur to me just now.
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I appreciate your posts, but sorry, it's not going to take a beast like Bryant years to "hit his stride". He's better than Crabtree, Britt, Nicks, etc. How did they look last year? Your statement about Romo is not a good one with regards to Bryant.
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:thumbup: Kid is a superstar in the making with a huge chip on his shoulder ala Randy Moss. He will make teams pay for passing on him.
 
jurb26 said:
JohnnyU said:
Yet at the end of the day one thing is the same. Ryan Mathews is good but not great and Dez is great. Let's not forget how bad the SD OL is, but that's a moot point. The point here is talent.
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If Dez is so great then why did Mathews get pick before him and why did Thomas get pick before him?I'm just playing devil's advocate here a little of course but still, it's a valid question. Bryant, despite what people on the board here may think, is far from a lock type prospect.
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The answer to your first question is need. SD needed a RB in the worst way. Second, McDaniel is an idiot.
 
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