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Which reminds me, Housh should probably have been on the overrated list. He's this year's version of last year's Santana Moss and Chris Chambers. I aexpect his numbers to be closer to their 2004 and 2005 levels, which doesn't make him a very good option as a WR1. Chad is a better WR and Henry is a better deep threat and red zone target.
You clearly don't watch many Bengals games. Housh has been on pace the past two seasons to put up the numbers he put up this year. Injuries forced him to miss games. He is a far superior WR than Holmes. It's not even close in my eyes. Give Holmes a few more years before you start comparing him to some of the best in the league. Besides, TJ has Chad and Henry stealing catches. Who does Holmes have? Ward (haha), Wilson (oh god), Nate "I'm a midget" Washington. TJ has to share the ball with much better WRs, and he still puts up superior numbers.If nothing else, I see Housh's numbers climbing a little more before leveling off.You should take in a Bengal game or two....then you might not speak out of your backside.
Why are you so contentious? EBF made salient points and sensible comparisons. You haven't done anything more than point out the obvious, take misguided potshots at Steelers WRs and act belligerently. I've watched every Bengals game as far back as I can remember, so I guess that qualifies me here...Housh is great, and he's a better football player than many non-Bengals fans realize. But he's also just had his career year. He's not going to keep putting up similar numbers to Chad Johnson. He's just not. Also, Hines Ward is simply one of the best WRs in the NFL. If you think he's laughable as a WR, then you should probably take in a Steelers game or two. Nate Washington has great size for a playmaking 3rd WR. Have you seen him play? He looks like Chris Chambers using his body and athleticism going up to get a ball. Can you name a handful of 3rd WRs who had a better year than Nate Washington last season?
 
How come you guys don't update your kicker rankings? They haven't been done in a long time.
I meant to do it but I haven't. I'll try and do that tomorrow.
"Mike Herman, you have a call on line 3. Paging Mike Herman"
Very funny....Here's an updated kicker ranking:

Kickers
You know you are doing a good job when the only complaint is about Kicker rankings.
 
How come you guys don't update your kicker rankings? They haven't been done in a long time.
I meant to do it but I haven't. I'll try and do that tomorrow.
"Mike Herman, you have a call on line 3. Paging Mike Herman"
Very funny....Here's an updated kicker ranking:

Kickers
Ye who have little faith in Steven Gostkowskishall soon see the light.

:bag:

 
How come you guys don't update your kicker rankings? They haven't been done in a long time.
I meant to do it but I haven't. I'll try and do that tomorrow.
"Mike Herman, you have a call on line 3. Paging Mike Herman"
Very funny....Here's an updated kicker ranking:

Kickers
You know you are doing a good job when the only complaint is about Kicker rankings.
:sadbanana: :thumbup:

 
How come you guys don't update your kicker rankings? They haven't been done in a long time.
I meant to do it but I haven't. I'll try and do that tomorrow.
"Mike Herman, you have a call on line 3. Paging Mike Herman"
Very funny....Here's an updated kicker ranking:

Kickers
Ye who have little faith in Steven Gostkowskishall soon see the light.

:yes:
:sadbanana: case in point :thumbup: Gostkowski is still young, had a ?able leg (they didn't try from outside the 30 for 1/2 the year last year, ask NE faithful like Bri, we checked) and he was like 3/6 to start. He did ok later in the year, but he was a weakness, not a strength. Add in the weather in NE and he's where he deserves to be.

Be thankful I have him at 20 - if you want him, go and get him cheap. (Is there such a thing as a cheap kicker? Is that like a discount penny?)

The bottom handful could all be gone this year with K churn. Olindo Mare could be heading to NO to replace Carney, last I heard. 5-6 teams a year turn over kickers it seems.

 
I see this in alot of ranking, but why no love for FWP. I think he is quickly taking Westy's place as the most undervalued RB in FF. He has been solid for 2 years, and although they had a change in coaches, I don't see his stats going down.

 
How come you guys don't update your kicker rankings? They haven't been done in a long time.
I meant to do it but I haven't. I'll try and do that tomorrow.
"Mike Herman, you have a call on line 3. Paging Mike Herman"
Very funny....Here's an updated kicker ranking:

Kickers
Ye who have little faith in Steven Gostkowskishall soon see the light.

:yes:
:sadbanana: case in point :thumbup: Gostkowski is still young, had a ?able leg (they didn't try from outside the 30 for 1/2 the year last year, ask NE faithful like Bri, we checked) and he was like 3/6 to start. He did ok later in the year, but he was a weakness, not a strength. Add in the weather in NE and he's where he deserves to be.

Be thankful I have him at 20 - if you want him, go and get him cheap. (Is there such a thing as a cheap kicker? Is that like a discount penny?)

The bottom handful could all be gone this year with K churn. Olindo Mare could be heading to NO to replace Carney, last I heard. 5-6 teams a year turn over kickers it seems.
What you fail to mention, Jeffis when the pressure was on him the most,

during the playoffs, he went 8 for 8 with a long

of 50 yards.

Belichick brought him along slowly, admittedly,

but has already performed perfectly in a playoff atmosphere.

Redraft in the 20's ? yes, but not in a dynasty.

 
why so much love to Stover/Casey?
Stover is $$$.Baltimore should score more, and he's a consistent K.

Kickers are like apples - there's a bunch of them to pick from, but don't get one that's green or overripe.

Stover is 39, Kasay is 37. That's still young for a kicker.

Stover knows the NFL and nothing rattles him.

Matt Stover

Top 10 last four years and well over 80% accuracy.

In fact, he's Top 10 5 of 6 years and over 85% in all 6.

Kasay

Kasy isn't as rock solid as Stover, but he kicks in a nice environment and plays in a division with warmth (TB, CAR) and/or domes (NO, ATL).

Strange track record - 2 Top 10s the last 4 years, but one of those (05) was his worst for accuracy (76%). He's 84-89% the other three, but had an off year last year and in 04 - but that's due to attempts, not accuracy.

So, good climate, accurate kicker, seasoned vet - all he needs is kicks. Also, he has a big leg still - made a 50+ kick every year since 2003.

 
How come you guys don't update your kicker rankings? They haven't been done in a long time.
I meant to do it but I haven't. I'll try and do that tomorrow.
"Mike Herman, you have a call on line 3. Paging Mike Herman"
Very funny....Here's an updated kicker ranking:

Kickers
Ye who have little faith in Steven Gostkowskishall soon see the light.

:yes:
:lmao: case in point :lmao: Gostkowski is still young, had a ?able leg (they didn't try from outside the 30 for 1/2 the year last year, ask NE faithful like Bri, we checked) and he was like 3/6 to start. He did ok later in the year, but he was a weakness, not a strength. Add in the weather in NE and he's where he deserves to be.

Be thankful I have him at 20 - if you want him, go and get him cheap. (Is there such a thing as a cheap kicker? Is that like a discount penny?)

The bottom handful could all be gone this year with K churn. Olindo Mare could be heading to NO to replace Carney, last I heard. 5-6 teams a year turn over kickers it seems.
What you fail to mention, Jeffis when the pressure was on him the most,

during the playoffs, he went 8 for 8 with a long

of 50 yards.

Belichick brought him along slowly, admittedly,

but has already performed perfectly in a playoff atmosphere.

Redraft in the 20's ? yes, but not in a dynasty.
Prove it beyond 8 games.... that's a good kicker. See Rackers, Neil.I'm not saying he cannot ascend the charts - but right now, he's not a starter for me.

(How long until the draft? We're debating kickers......)

 
I think you're dead wrong here. This guy is one of the top 10-15 RBs in the NFL. You really only expect him to get 200 carries next season? I actually think his carries will go up. He kept Cedric Benson on the bench and he'll keep Leon Washington on the bench. I think he'll be in the neighborhood of 300 carries. NYJ has a pretty good line and supporting cast, so I look for 2007 to be the best FF year of TJ's career.
Jeff,Trying to understand this love of TJ? Is the top 10-15 based on real NFL talent or fantasy? I don't see either. He is mediocre. He is pretty slow so he doesn't have breakaway ability. He has some power, but not real good. He cuts OK and catches OK and has OK vision, he does pick up the blitz well...Talent wise he is about 20 and fantasy wise will be about the same this year. He was 19th fantasy wise and he only had a beat up Benson to outplay and when Benson got healthy he was losing out to Benson at the end of the year.Hard to say how good Leon Washington is, but TJ is basically Ruben Droughns a great backup and a weak starter.
 
Not sure why DeAngelo Williams and Jones-Drew are ahead of Addai. Joseph Addai is the starter with little compeition playing on the best offense in football, while the other two guys are arguably not even starters.
I think Addai is a good back in a good situation. I think MJD is a better back in a worse short term situation, but will outperform Addai over time.

DeW is the best talent of the 3, and has the biggest upside. Once he is the true feature back, possibly as soon as September, watch out.
What makes you think Williams is a better back than Addai, or Drew for that matter?
Start with the faceoff on Carolina RB last year.He was the #1 guy in NCAA for all-purpose yardage. So was Westbrook at 1-AA Villanova. I see them in the same vein and playing style. He has all the tools - speed, vision, quickness, power, hands. I can't find much not to like, aside from experience and adjusting to the NFL level.
I think Westbrook is much better than Williams. Better moves in open space, better acceleration and better hands and feel. Williams can get better at his feel and all, but he is a poor mans Westbrook right now
 
Big time :thumbup: posting this in the forum when non-members can't gain access. I feel so.....unsatisfied. :rounders:
:pickle: I agree I think they should have members only section in the forum for postings like this so that paying members can discuss ranking and other pay content without upsetting non-paying forum members!
This isn't a new practice - you guys have both been here awhile. :shrug:
I guess you're right. Only, I don't recall seeing a post by a mod talking about rankings in the past. Usually, you start a thread and everybody chimes in with their rankings etc. by position, even non-members for use in the FBG rankings. It was early, kids were sleeping and my coffee was brewing so I was just a little bummed when I couldn't gain access.For what its worth, I am an old school fantasy baller who still refuses to pay for fantasy info. Even from here, which is one of only a very few sites I frequent regularly. Maybe this is the year I suck it up and pay the 25 something bucks, if for no other reason than payment for so many years of most excellent service and access to one of the best message boards I have seen.
Dynasty rankings are (relatively) new, so whenever I update mine (as there are just 3 of us) I take the time to discuss them if anyone wants some insight.
Silver and Black, pony up the money as a contribution to the cause. I give them my money because it is worthy of getting the money. People run free sites and ask for donations, these guys would get my $20 whether it was mandatory or contributions were welcome.
 
Prove it beyond 8 games.... that's a good kicker. See Rackers, Neil.I'm not saying he cannot ascend the charts - but right now, he's not a starter for me.(How long until the draft? We're debating kickers......)
Obviously, I'm being VERY nitpicky here, but I disagree with Kaeding at #15. Sure he plays with that FG vulture, LT2, but he's top 5 on my (imaginary) list of dynasty kickers. He's young, he's established a good fantasy track record, he plays in great weather, and (LT2 aside), he's in a great situation. When it comes to kickers, I value a guy I can pencil as my starter for the next 10+ years.
 
Jeff,

Will you moving up McGahee now that he is in Baltimore? I would :loco:

Thanks for all your answering of people's emails. It is real easy for us to nit pick one or two players out of all the ones you rank, especially on the 34th ranked guy.

 
Liquid Tension said:
I think you're dead wrong here. This guy is one of the top 10-15 RBs in the NFL. You really only expect him to get 200 carries next season? I actually think his carries will go up. He kept Cedric Benson on the bench and he'll keep Leon Washington on the bench. I think he'll be in the neighborhood of 300 carries. NYJ has a pretty good line and supporting cast, so I look for 2007 to be the best FF year of TJ's career.
Jeff,Trying to understand this love of TJ? Is the top 10-15 based on real NFL talent or fantasy? I don't see either. He is mediocre. He is pretty slow so he doesn't have breakaway ability. He has some power, but not real good. He cuts OK and catches OK and has OK vision, he does pick up the blitz well...Talent wise he is about 20 and fantasy wise will be about the same this year. He was 19th fantasy wise and he only had a beat up Benson to outplay and when Benson got healthy he was losing out to Benson at the end of the year.Hard to say how good Leon Washington is, but TJ is basically Ruben Droughns a great backup and a weak starter.
That's not my writing in that quote. :banned:
 
Put me in the pro Thomas Jones camp. He now has the best supporting cast of his career and is in great position to have a very solid year. I like him as a top 15 RB in redraft.

 
Mister CIA said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Prove it beyond 8 games.... that's a good kicker. See Rackers, Neil.I'm not saying he cannot ascend the charts - but right now, he's not a starter for me.(How long until the draft? We're debating kickers......)
Obviously, I'm being VERY nitpicky here, but I disagree with Kaeding at #15. Sure he plays with that FG vulture, LT2, but he's top 5 on my (imaginary) list of dynasty kickers. He's young, he's established a good fantasy track record, he plays in great weather, and (LT2 aside), he's in a great situation. When it comes to kickers, I value a guy I can pencil as my starter for the next 10+ years.
This is probably a valid point.He wasn't rock solid in the playoff game vs. the Jets, so it's probably more of a "clutch" (or lack thereof) I had an issue with.He should probably be higher based on the criteria (young but not a rookie, good weather, good offense) but he didn't have many tries from 50+ and he led the league in XPts (surprise - guess why).In a more realistic offense, you could make a case that he'd have fewer extra pts, but then again that might mean more FGs. His % is good too.I'll bump him up next time. Thanks for the assist.
 
Liquid Tension said:
Jeff,Will you moving up McGahee now that he is in Baltimore? I would :blackdot: Thanks for all your answering of people's emails. It is real easy for us to nit pick one or two players out of all the ones you rank, especially on the 34th ranked guy.
RBs 7 - 15 are a matter of personal preference, really. I could see an argument to McGahee moving up, but then again the O-line in Baltimore is very quietly declining.
 
I'll bump him up next time. Thanks for the assist.
I'm blushing.
:banned:If that's the only flaw in my rankings, I'd be shocked.You can't please everyone, so I take a good shot at it and see what happens.
You still have Feely on the Giants and pretty high. Josh Huston is the current Giants kicker, and they seem to like him from what I've read.
The FBG database updates after the draft, so yes he's still on the Giants.Huston is a nice sleeper, but he better practice a lot in that stadium.Rookies get added in May as well.
 
I'll bump him up next time. Thanks for the assist.
I'm blushing.
:hophead:If that's the only flaw in my rankings, I'd be shocked.You can't please everyone, so I take a good shot at it and see what happens.
You still have Feely on the Giants and pretty high. Josh Huston is the current Giants kicker, and they seem to like him from what I've read.
The FBG database updates after the draft, so yes he's still on the Giants.Huston is a nice sleeper, but he better practice a lot in that stadium.Rookies get added in May as well.
I am shocked at all the concern over kickers. They have the largest random factor in success over the years and their impact is limited on the win total so I don't get worked up over kickers. There are usually a group of 8 kickers I would be OK with.
 
Liquid Tension said:
I think you're dead wrong here. This guy is one of the top 10-15 RBs in the NFL. You really only expect him to get 200 carries next season? I actually think his carries will go up. He kept Cedric Benson on the bench and he'll keep Leon Washington on the bench. I think he'll be in the neighborhood of 300 carries. NYJ has a pretty good line and supporting cast, so I look for 2007 to be the best FF year of TJ's career.
Jeff,Trying to understand this love of TJ? Is the top 10-15 based on real NFL talent or fantasy? I don't see either. He is mediocre. He is pretty slow so he doesn't have breakaway ability. He has some power, but not real good. He cuts OK and catches OK and has OK vision, he does pick up the blitz well...Talent wise he is about 20 and fantasy wise will be about the same this year. He was 19th fantasy wise and he only had a beat up Benson to outplay and when Benson got healthy he was losing out to Benson at the end of the year.Hard to say how good Leon Washington is, but TJ is basically Ruben Droughns a great backup and a weak starter.
That's not my writing in that quote. :hophead:
My bad; it was was EBF's quote. EBF, you say that he has the best supporting cast around him, but the Bears RB is better than the Jets (The Jets pass protection is top notch though). Pennington's weak arm keeps linebackers and safeties close to the LOS which limits success of runs as well. I would expect Thomas' meager receiving totals to go up (for you folks who haven't realized PPR is a silly rule) :D because Pennington is the king of the dump off pass. But, at the end of the day, I like to look at the skill level of the individual and TJ is simply not that skilled and the Jets are not the Colts in terms of situation. I see similar production out of TJ ranking him around 18th.
 
The FBG database updates after the draft, so yes he's still on the Giants.
Ummm... why? To be honest, I was going to post something regarding this (not updated data). First it makes FBGs look like they aren't up to date. Second, the rankings are a little confusing with old data. My first impression was that, although there is a date for your ranking, that the rankings were old. It seemed you ranked players at certain positions based on their old teams.Bottom line is, it shouldn't be difficult to update one field. I wouldn't want my stock ticker database updated after each trading day. I know FF data isn't as crucial as stock data but you get my point. Its not that big of a deal but its confusing and annoying.

 
I would like to here or read your reasons (Jeff, Sig) for the rankings of Devery Henderson, Wes Welker, and Ron Curry. They are close together on average ranking, but each is at least 18 spots different between your 2 rankings.

 
I would like to here or read your reasons (Jeff, Sig) for the rankings of Devery Henderson, Wes Welker, and Ron Curry. They are close together on average ranking, but each is at least 18 spots different between your 2 rankings.
We just recorded the WR debate and covered Henderson and Welker. :eek:
 
I would like to here or read your reasons (Jeff, Sig) for the rankings of Devery Henderson, Wes Welker, and Ron Curry. They are close together on average ranking, but each is at least 18 spots different between your 2 rankings.
We just recorded the WR debate and covered Henderson and Welker. :blush:
Where is it? Can't find it anywhere.
You'll have to bear with us, we've been recording too much - there's a multistep process the podcasts go through between recording and being up on the server - we have that show + some player interviews (Kyle Shotwell, Eric Weddle) and interviews with media (Rick Gosselin, Scott Wright), and agents (Peter Schaffer) all in the pipeline for you, and we have interviews with five more players booked between now and Tuesday.
 
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Thanks Chris for the rankings :D

I like the calls on the Jacksonville WRs, Caddilac Williams, and I really like your receiver rankings, although bloom probably wont agree with them. I never understood why jeff was so down on Matt Jones and Reggie Williams. I really like the call on Greg Jennings, he just seems like another Antonio Chatman to me.

Any particular reason your so high on Hagan?

I like the Brian Westbrook call in particular, something about him I just dont like, can you explain that one to me?

 
Hey Jeff what scoring format and number of teams starting requirements are assumed for your rankings?
Standard FBG setup:12 teams1 QB2 RB3 WR1 TE1 K1 DNo PPRDefense has input from points and yards against in addition to sacks and turnovers (and TDs).Passing is 4 for a TD, -1 for an INT. IIRC, 1 pt = 20 yards passing = 10 yds rush / rec
 
Jeff,

I'm curious about your ranking of Addai. We've had quit a discussion here http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=314897 about where to rank him. You have him ranked as RB18. It's worth noting that with Rhodes to share carries he finished his rookie campaign ranked RB11. Now that Rhodes is gone you'd think Addai would improve on that ranking as the feature back.

Where do you see him going forward?

Thanks
I wasn't part of that thread, but I am reading basically the same sentiment from those who support Addai as those who think that MJD will eventually be the primary back in Jacksonville.Both backs have reasons to like them, but I'm not buying a feature back story for either.

I wasn't sold on Addai's talent, and his value comes, IMHO, mostly from being a Colt. His situation warrants recognition in that he's the one and only RB in Indy as of this moment (and less than 72 hours before that changes) not counting DeDe Dorsey.

I didn't like Addai that much coming into 2006, and I still don't think he was a Top 5 rookie RB last year. I think MJD is better - but neither are true #1s. Both need a second hand / back in town.

I believe that there are 17 better RBs and 35 better players, long term, to own in non-PPR leagues for production over the next 4 seasons.

 
Jeff,

I'm curious about your ranking of Addai. We've had quit a discussion here http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=314897 about where to rank him. You have him ranked as RB18. It's worth noting that with Rhodes to share carries he finished his rookie campaign ranked RB11. Now that Rhodes is gone you'd think Addai would improve on that ranking as the feature back.

Where do you see him going forward?

Thanks
I wasn't part of that thread, but I am reading basically the same sentiment from those who support Addai as those who think that MJD will eventually be the primary back in Jacksonville.Both backs have reasons to like them, but I'm not buying a feature back story for either.

I wasn't sold on Addai's talent, and his value comes, IMHO, mostly from being a Colt. His situation warrants recognition in that he's the one and only RB in Indy as of this moment (and less than 72 hours before that changes) not counting DeDe Dorsey.

I didn't like Addai that much coming into 2006, and I still don't think he was a Top 5 rookie RB last year. I think MJD is better - but neither are true #1s. Both need a second hand / back in town.

I believe that there are 17 better RBs and 35 better players, long term, to own in non-PPR leagues for production over the next 4 seasons.
Can you define feature back? Also, where do you put him if he gets 300+ carries and 350 touches?
 
Jeff,

I'm curious about your ranking of Addai. We've had quit a discussion here http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=314897 about where to rank him. You have him ranked as RB18. It's worth noting that with Rhodes to share carries he finished his rookie campaign ranked RB11. Now that Rhodes is gone you'd think Addai would improve on that ranking as the feature back.

Where do you see him going forward?

Thanks
I wasn't part of that thread, but I am reading basically the same sentiment from those who support Addai as those who think that MJD will eventually be the primary back in Jacksonville.Both backs have reasons to like them, but I'm not buying a feature back story for either.

I wasn't sold on Addai's talent, and his value comes, IMHO, mostly from being a Colt. His situation warrants recognition in that he's the one and only RB in Indy as of this moment (and less than 72 hours before that changes) not counting DeDe Dorsey.

I didn't like Addai that much coming into 2006, and I still don't think he was a Top 5 rookie RB last year. I think MJD is better - but neither are true #1s. Both need a second hand / back in town.

I believe that there are 17 better RBs and 35 better players, long term, to own in non-PPR leagues for production over the next 4 seasons.
Can you define feature back? Also, where do you put him if he gets 300+ carries and 350 touches?
Jeff, can you now respond to this?
 

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