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[wannabee]

watch out for NE RB Hairston - not on this list but could be the three option behind Maroney, K. Faulk.

Maybe it is just me, but I have Morris in that role for now even though he is 30 years old. He had a 4.0 ypc in a bad situation in Miami. I think NE brought him in for a reason. Oddly, he and Welker (also brought in by NE) played together at Texas Tech.

 

[wannabee]

any other rankings that you would like commented on?

 

[Gottabesweet]

Allison, Aundrae

thoughts?

I just value your opinion.

 

[wannabee]

Allison, Aundrae thoughts?I just value your opinion.

I like him and took him in a dynasty PPR start up. I liked his athleticism and the lack of competition in Minny. My biggest fear is that he is too raw to take advantage this year. He is one lower ranked WR that could improve and emerge into a legit fantasy WR in a couple of years. But, make no mistake, with a young QB in TJax, the Minny pass offense will be ugly many times for fantasy owners.

 

[CA_7]

Nice work wanna, thanks for putting this together.

 

[wannabee]

Nice work wanna, thanks for putting this together.

thank you for the kind words.

 

[Blackjacks]

A ? for you wannabee. You have Rudi ranked #14 and Henry #17 and at first I thought that would have to do with age but after looking at it Johnson is only a year younger than Henry and I'd say he has taken alot more hits in the last couple of years. Plus he has a very talented (often injured) player behind him in Chris Perry and their new draft pick of Kenny Irons as where Henry has no one behind him at all. Not that I'm saying your wrong by any means I just want to know your justification for ranking Rudi 3 spots higher.(plus Rudi lost Steinbach)Again great work!!!!!!!

The Rudi ranking has to do with the receptions. Anyone that had Rudi as a RB1 in a PPR league will tell you that you need a better RB1. I say that because other RBs get the cheap 3-4 points a game from receptions that Rudi rarely sees. I think he averages a shade under 2 catches a game. I also like Irons, a lot. I think he could be the multi-dimensional runner many Bengal fans thought Perry would be. Also, Rudi's carry count the last 3.5 years worries me some. So, it is mixed reasoning and somewhat of a gut call. Since I think Rudi is a poor RB1, the RB14 ranking is basically saying he is a great RB2.On Henry, like many others I worry about the way Henry will be used in Denver. I love Henry in 2007. I have him as Rb10 in redraft (non-ppr). I just think the longer vantagepoint you look in the Denver run game, especially given Henry's age, you have to discount some.

I was actually asking why you had Johnson ranked better than Henry. I wasn't complaining about the ranking of Johnson. I just can't see putting Johnson over Henry in redraft or dynasty but then again I am a Henry owner and could be alittle bias about the situation.

 

[wannabee]

A ? for you wannabee. You have Rudi ranked #14 and Henry #17 and at first I thought that would have to do with age but after looking at it Johnson is only a year younger than Henry and I'd say he has taken alot more hits in the last couple of years. Plus he has a very talented (often injured) player behind him in Chris Perry and their new draft pick of Kenny Irons as where Henry has no one behind him at all. Not that I'm saying your wrong by any means I just want to know your justification for ranking Rudi 3 spots higher.(plus Rudi lost Steinbach)Again great work!!!!!!!

The Rudi ranking has to do with the receptions. Anyone that had Rudi as a RB1 in a PPR league will tell you that you need a better RB1. I say that because other RBs get the cheap 3-4 points a game from receptions that Rudi rarely sees. I think he averages a shade under 2 catches a game. I also like Irons, a lot. I think he could be the multi-dimensional runner many Bengal fans thought Perry would be. Also, Rudi's carry count the last 3.5 years worries me some. So, it is mixed reasoning and somewhat of a gut call. Since I think Rudi is a poor RB1, the RB14 ranking is basically saying he is a great RB2.On Henry, like many others I worry about the way Henry will be used in Denver. I love Henry in 2007. I have him as Rb10 in redraft (non-ppr). I just think the longer vantagepoint you look in the Denver run game, especially given Henry's age, you have to discount some.

I was actually asking why you had Johnson ranked better than Henry. I wasn't complaining about the ranking of Johnson. I just can't see putting Johnson over Henry in redraft or dynasty but then again I am a Henry owner and could be alittle bias about the situation.

Even when Portis was in Denver, he made the most of a reduced workload compared to what we think of. It is hard for me to imagine Henry with enough carries (and especially catches) to warrant being drafted as a WR1.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Great thread!A few that stuck out - Why Kitna so low?Why DeShawn Wynn.... at all?Could you go deeper into your McAllister ranking? Do you see him staying on the Saints, or go elsewhere and starting for a few years? Or do you not factor that sort of stuff into your rankings.Thanks!

I think most expect Kitna to play for the next two years in the Martz offense without missing starts. Whether it is late this year, or next, I expect the Lions to give Stanton a long look after eliminated from contention (week 5 ... sorry ). In addition, if/when Martz leaves, I cannot see Kitna keeping up the pace he has enjoyed. He was QB6 last year. I see that as his ceiling. The addition of Calvin should help, but the Lions will need a threat of a run game until KJ is back.DeShawn Wynn has to beat out Herron to make the team. He is a big tease. I just do not see him making a difference unless a couple of injuries. This does not include his injury history as a Gator. I like Deuce. I have him in a few leagues just because of value. I expect 1000-1200 total yards and 8-11 TDs in 2007. In 2008 and beyond, I can see him used on another team the way the Pats used Dillon. His skillset, like Dillon, is not dependent on a certain type of offense the way some RBs' are.

I disagree with your stance on Stanton, I think he won't amount to much in the pros. I'm clearly in the minority on that. My contention with Wynn is not that he is too low, but he is too high. I don't know if he should be on the list at all.You have him above Jerome Harrison, who is probably going to be seeing time as the third down back in Cleveland.Moore, who puts up respectable numbers as a third down back too.Musa Smith.... OK, I guess I'm a homer about him. But if he ever gets healthy.....Anthony Thomas, Cedric Houston, Wali Lundy - all guys that have 100 yard games and are young.Ryan Moats - a guy that averaged 5.0 ypc one year as Westy's backup, and only problem is being slow to learn the playbook.Wynn is going to do well just to make the squad. If Jackson and Morency don't produce this year, they will probably either acquire another RB or sign a FA, bumping Wynn off the roster.I just don't think he's worth even putting on the list at all. He was an underachiever in college. How many NFL RBs were underachievers in college? They probably don't stick on rosters too long just based on their collegiate talent.I guess the reason I'm putting effort into your #60 RB is because your list is pretty damned good to start with. Thanks for the thoughts!

 

[wannabee]

A ? for you wannabee. You have Rudi ranked #14 and Henry #17 and at first I thought that would have to do with age but after looking at it Johnson is only a year younger than Henry and I'd say he has taken alot more hits in the last couple of years. Plus he has a very talented (often injured) player behind him in Chris Perry and their new draft pick of Kenny Irons as where Henry has no one behind him at all. Not that I'm saying your wrong by any means I just want to know your justification for ranking Rudi 3 spots higher.(plus Rudi lost Steinbach)Again great work!!!!!!!

The Rudi ranking has to do with the receptions. Anyone that had Rudi as a RB1 in a PPR league will tell you that you need a better RB1. I say that because other RBs get the cheap 3-4 points a game from receptions that Rudi rarely sees. I think he averages a shade under 2 catches a game. I also like Irons, a lot. I think he could be the multi-dimensional runner many Bengal fans thought Perry would be. Also, Rudi's carry count the last 3.5 years worries me some. So, it is mixed reasoning and somewhat of a gut call. Since I think Rudi is a poor RB1, the RB14 ranking is basically saying he is a great RB2.On Henry, like many others I worry about the way Henry will be used in Denver. I love Henry in 2007. I have him as Rb10 in redraft (non-ppr). I just think the longer vantagepoint you look in the Denver run game, especially given Henry's age, you have to discount some.

I was actually asking why you had Johnson ranked better than Henry. I wasn't complaining about the ranking of Johnson. I just can't see putting Johnson over Henry in redraft or dynasty but then again I am a Henry owner and could be alittle bias about the situation.

Even when Portis was in Denver, he made the most of a reduced workload compared to what we think of. It is hard for me to imagine Henry with enough carries (and especially catches) to warrant being drafted as a WR1.

Portis' workload was not huge in Denver. Here are his career stats:+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 den | 16 | 273 1508 5.5 15 | 33 364 11.0 2 || 2003 den | 13 | 290 1591 5.5 14 | 38 314 8.3 0 || 2004 was | 15 | 343 1315 3.8 5 | 40 235 5.9 2 || 2005 was | 16 | 352 1516 4.3 11 | 30 216 7.2 0 || 2006 was | 8 | 127 523 4.1 7 | 17 170 10.0 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 68 | 1385 6453 4.7 52 | 158 1299 8.2 4

 

[Rodeojones]

I especially like your work Wannabe, great job.

I am trying to find something in your rankings to argue about but have yet to find anything...sorry.

 

[gianmarco]

There's a huge flaw in your list.

I don't see David Boston

 

[wannabee]

There's a huge flaw in your list.I don't see David Boston

Huge is right. If I was going that deep, I might have had Hilliard over him as the WR4 in TB. I defeinitely have Joes, Clayton and Stovall ahead of Boston.

 

[Sultans]

I didn't look too deep tonight, but the one who caught my eye right away was Vernon Davis. I personally see him a lot higher, and he had some impressive games at the end of last season. His upside is limitless. I personally have him 2nd in dynasties. I think he is a can't miss stud.

I also feel this is where you are most off. I think the sky is the limit for Mount Vernon. Physical Freaks of nature like Davis tend to succeed. I would take him 2 as well. I also agree with the Grossman thing. This guy was on a great team with Weapons and was still pathetic most of the time.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Why is S. Alexander so low, while Rudi much higher. I think they are similar in that they carried the ball alot the past few years. ShuanA is much more talented and doesn't have a soul being groomed for his spot, while CIN has tried to get into place C. Perry and now Irons. So, job security would surely be in favor of ShaunA. Both play little part in the reception dept., which everyone knows, so why is there such a difference in ranking?

 

[gianmarco]

Ok, I was able to look a little closer, and for the most part rankings look great, especially the RB's. Some issues I have both bc of personal preference but also that I guess an explanation would help

QB--

1) Hasselbeck is a little too high for my liking in terms of dynasty at #11. Having lost DJax and with SA getting up there and key losses to the line, I think we've seen him peak. Because this is a dynasty, I'd prefer some of the younger guys with a little more upside (Leinart, Cutler, Rivers, etc.) over Hasselbeck. He's not a QB I'd like to build my team around.

2) Alex Smith at #22 is way too low for my taste. Guy finished 18th overall in his rookie season. Gets back Vernon Davis who was out most of all last year and adds DJax, who even hobbled, is one of the better WR's in the league. I think it's a bit early to rank him that low. I know not everyone is sold on the SF offense, but I think he needs to move up a bit.

3) Leftwich is a bit too high for me. I don't see him remaining as a starter much longer.

4) Pennington too low. He's still pretty young and has finally shown he can stay healthy at least for a year. As he's ranked lower than someone like Leftwich or T. Jackson, I'd feel much more comfortable with him on my squad.

Nothing glaring for me at RB

WR--

1) AJ at #4 is a bit high. And I own the guy. Believe me, I'd like nothing more than you to be right, but the fact of the matter is, even in a PPR league, Houston just doesn't score enough for him to crack the top 5. He's a bottom tier WR1 or excellent WR2 unless something changes. I don't think Schaub is it. Even if he might be, #4 is a bit too high until there's a little indication.

2) Fitzgerald too low. If you flip-flopped Fitz and AJ, I think it would make a little more sense. At least Fitz finished 2nd overall in 2005 and has shown he can be up there. When healthy, he may be one of the most talented WR's on the field.

3) Drew Bennett is a bit too low for me. You've got him below a # of very mediocre WR's with no upside. This guy lit it up at least for one year with Volek. He's now on a new team that is VERY pass-happy. With Bruce really getting up there, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as St. Louis's #2 by the end of this year. While he may not do much with it, it's completely conceivable that he put's up Bruce-like #'s in that offense. That alone should vault him up. Given his new situation and where he is, I'd easily take him over guys like Hagan or Muhammad or Horn as well as several others.

TE

1) Gonzalez is entirely too high, I think. There's no question how good he is. But, in your WR rankings, you've got guys like TO or Harrison almost out of the top 20. Harrison was the #1 WR last year and TO was top 5. However, I understand in terms of dynasty why they're dropped lower. Well, you gotta do the same for Gonzo then. He doesn't deserve the #2 ranking if you're doing that to guys like Harrison and TO who are still performing. He's only 1 yr younger than TO and on a declining KC team. I'd move up those WR's before I bumped up Gonzo, even though for the next year or 2 I still think he'll perform quite well. But I think those WR's can do the same. Just don't see the consistency with these positions when you relate the 2.

All in all, great rankings though and appreciate the time. My comments above are both to find out some reasoning, as I stated above, and to explain why I feel the way I do about some of these guys.

 

[wannabee]

I didn't look too deep tonight, but the one who caught my eye right away was Vernon Davis. I personally see him a lot higher, and he had some impressive games at the end of last season. His upside is limitless. I personally have him 2nd in dynasties. I think he is a can't miss stud.

I also feel this is where you are most off. I think the sky is the limit for Mount Vernon. Physical Freaks of nature like Davis tend to succeed. I would take him 2 as well. I also agree with the Grossman thing. This guy was on a great team with Weapons and was still pathetic most of the time.

I have read more on Davis in the Davis thread that confirms my feelings. I rank them how I would draft. If I have the choice in a PPR dynasty draft, I am choosing Witten, with the way Romo went to him often, over Davis. Those down on Grossman from a fantasy perspective, I would urge you to look at his first 9 games last year. He had 8 games above 11 points out of the 9. Since this will only be his second year as "the guy", I look for further improvement.Thank you for the comments.

 

[wannabee]

Why is S. Alexander so low, while Rudi much higher. I think they are similar in that they carried the ball alot the past few years. ShuanA is much more talented and doesn't have a soul being groomed for his spot, while CIN has tried to get into place C. Perry and now Irons. So, job security would surely be in favor of ShaunA. Both play little part in the reception dept., which everyone knows, so why is there such a difference in ranking?

I like Alexander. But, he is on the wrong side of 30 years of age and has not proven he is healthy. These rankings are fluid. If he proves healthy, I will move him up.

 

[wannabee]

Ok, I was able to look a little closer, and for the most part rankings look great, especially the RB's. Some issues I have both bc of personal preference but also that I guess an explanation would helpQB--1) Hasselbeck is a little too high for my liking in terms of dynasty at #11. Having lost DJax and with SA getting up there and key losses to the line, I think we've seen him peak. Because this is a dynasty, I'd prefer some of the younger guys with a little more upside (Leinart, Cutler, Rivers, etc.) over Hasselbeck. He's not a QB I'd like to build my team around.2) Alex Smith at #22 is way too low for my taste. Guy finished 18th overall in his rookie season. Gets back Vernon Davis who was out most of all last year and adds DJax, who even hobbled, is one of the better WR's in the league. I think it's a bit early to rank him that low. I know not everyone is sold on the SF offense, but I think he needs to move up a bit.3) Leftwich is a bit too high for me. I don't see him remaining as a starter much longer.4) Pennington too low. He's still pretty young and has finally shown he can stay healthy at least for a year. As he's ranked lower than someone like Leftwich or T. Jackson, I'd feel much more comfortable with him on my squad.Nothing glaring for me at RBWR--1) AJ at #4 is a bit high. And I own the guy. Believe me, I'd like nothing more than you to be right, but the fact of the matter is, even in a PPR league, Houston just doesn't score enough for him to crack the top 5. He's a bottom tier WR1 or excellent WR2 unless something changes. I don't think Schaub is it. Even if he might be, #4 is a bit too high until there's a little indication. 2) Fitzgerald too low. If you flip-flopped Fitz and AJ, I think it would make a little more sense. At least Fitz finished 2nd overall in 2005 and has shown he can be up there. When healthy, he may be one of the most talented WR's on the field.3) Drew Bennett is a bit too low for me. You've got him below a # of very mediocre WR's with no upside. This guy lit it up at least for one year with Volek. He's now on a new team that is VERY pass-happy. With Bruce really getting up there, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as St. Louis's #2 by the end of this year. While he may not do much with it, it's completely conceivable that he put's up Bruce-like #'s in that offense. That alone should vault him up. Given his new situation and where he is, I'd easily take him over guys like Hagan or Muhammad or Horn as well as several others.TE1) Gonzalez is entirely too high, I think. There's no question how good he is. But, in your WR rankings, you've got guys like TO or Harrison almost out of the top 20. Harrison was the #1 WR last year and TO was top 5. However, I understand in terms of dynasty why they're dropped lower. Well, you gotta do the same for Gonzo then. He doesn't deserve the #2 ranking if you're doing that to guys like Harrison and TO who are still performing. He's only 1 yr younger than TO and on a declining KC team. I'd move up those WR's before I bumped up Gonzo, even though for the next year or 2 I still think he'll perform quite well. But I think those WR's can do the same. Just don't see the consistency with these positions when you relate the 2.All in all, great rankings though and appreciate the time. My comments above are both to find out some reasoning, as I stated above, and to explain why I feel the way I do about some of these guys.

Hasselbeck reasoning from a buy low post in the wannabee thread:Matt Hasselbeck – The Seattle offense as a whole had a difficult season in 2006. The injury to Shaun Alexander, the loss of Steve Hutchinson, and the injury to Darrell Jackson all contributed to a down year for Hasselbeck, who missed 4 games himself. In 2006, Hasselbeck had his lowest pass completion percentage; yards per attempt average, and Quarterback rating in several years. He did have 18 Touchdowns in 12 games. In the offseason, the Seahawks cut Jerramy Stevens, the starting Tight End, and traded Darrell Jackson, the best Wide Receiver. The Seahawks say they have faith in D.J. Hackett to step up into the void left by Jackson. Also, Bobby Engram is healthy, which should help, as he is a very good slot receiver. The Seahawks signed the veteran Marcus Pollard to replace Stevens. Currently, Hasselbeck is being drafted as the fourteenth Quarterback taken. With a healthy Shaun Alexander, the Seahawk offense should be much more productive. That offense revolves around a strong running game and Maurice Morris did not garner respect from opposing defenses. Just like with Eli Manning above, I prefer to draft Quarterbacks that have performed at a high level in the past. Being able to draft Matt Hasselbeck as a backup Quarterback is a steal. He should perform as a passable starting quarterback, but is being drafted as a fantasy backup. Alex Smith - I am not sold on the SF offense the way others seem to be. It relies on three injury-prone WRs, a RB with an injury past in Gore, a young TE, a new offensive coordinator, and a team still building. Just a ton of uncertainty for me. Leftwich - was a top QB when healthy. I thought I would hear about having him too low Pennington - I have a tough time raising him any since I cannot see him outperforming those infornt of him on a consistent basis.AJ - addressed a few posts agoFitz - addressed earlier. I just have a tough time seeing him put up consistent top 5 numbers for a few years in a row. I can see AJ doing it in a PPR league.Drew Bennett - He is a WR3 on his team and is oft-injured. I just do not think he is a reliable fantasy option .... unless Volek is throwing to him Gonzo has more years remaining than TO and Harrison, imo. He is on a team void of WRs, with rookie WRs taking a little while to mature and kennison being 34 years old. Hope this helps.

 

[wannabee]

thanks to everyone for the feedback and comments.

 

[gianmarco]

Hasselbeck reasoning from a buy low post in the wannabee thread:

Matt Hasselbeck – The Seattle offense as a whole had a difficult season in 2006. The injury to Shaun Alexander, the loss of Steve Hutchinson, and the injury to Darrell Jackson all contributed to a down year for Hasselbeck, who missed 4 games himself. In 2006, Hasselbeck had his lowest pass completion percentage; yards per attempt average, and Quarterback rating in several years. He did have 18 Touchdowns in 12 games. In the offseason, the Seahawks cut Jerramy Stevens, the starting Tight End, and traded Darrell Jackson, the best Wide Receiver. The Seahawks say they have faith in D.J. Hackett to step up into the void left by Jackson. Also, Bobby Engram is healthy, which should help, as he is a very good slot receiver. The Seahawks signed the veteran Marcus Pollard to replace Stevens. Currently, Hasselbeck is being drafted as the fourteenth Quarterback taken. With a healthy Shaun Alexander, the Seahawk offense should be much more productive. That offense revolves around a strong running game and Maurice Morris did not garner respect from opposing defenses. Just like with Eli Manning above, I prefer to draft Quarterbacks that have performed at a high level in the past. Being able to draft Matt Hasselbeck as a backup Quarterback is a steal. He should perform as a passable starting quarterback, but is being drafted as a fantasy backup.

Alex Smith - I am not sold on the SF offense the way others seem to be. It relies on three injury-prone WRs, a RB with an injury past in Gore, a young TE, a new offensive coordinator, and a team still building. Just a ton of uncertainty for me.

Leftwich - was a top QB when healthy. I thought I would hear about having him too low

Pennington - I have a tough time raising him any since I cannot see him outperforming those infornt of him on a consistent basis.

AJ - addressed a few posts ago

Fitz - addressed earlier. I just have a tough time seeing him put up consistent top 5 numbers for a few years in a row. I can see AJ doing it in a PPR league.

Drew Bennett - He is a WR3 on his team and is oft-injured. I just do not think he is a reliable fantasy option .... unless Volek is throwing to him

Gonzo has more years remaining than TO and Harrison, imo. He is on a team void of WRs, with rookie WRs taking a little while to mature and kennison being 34 years old.

Hope this helps.

1) Hass--Yeah, he's a "passable" starting QB. Which is why I wouldn't have him in my top 12. But it's ok if you still believe in him2) Smith--It's still too early to tell, so that was more of a personal preference for me. I just think he did just fine last year and has more weapons than he did last year. I see an improvement, but how much remains to be seen.

3) Leftwich--Sorry, but I just don't agree he was a top QB when healthy. He's thrown 3 TDs in a game all of twice in his career and only throw for over 300 yds three times in his career (46 games). That's just not very good. He's never ranked higher than 17, and that's when he missed only 1 game. The fact that he can't stay healthy is another huge knock. Too many other options to with at QB, IMO.

4) Pennington--Should at least be ahead of Leftwich

5) Fitz/AJ--Ok, I don't see it the same way but that's fine. Splitting hairs, really.

6) Bennett--Bruce is going to be 35 this year. Just don't see him lasting more than another year, really. Bennett is currently #3 but that really should change very soon. And he's only missed 3 games in the last 3 yrs (all 3 in 2005), playing in 16 both last year and 2004. I'm not counting on him either, but his upside is definitely better than some around him who have little to no chance to make any impact. This is a guy who caught almost 1300 yds and 11 TDs in 2004 which is more than can be said than a lot of WR's. Where he's at in the rankings, there's just so little risk and I personally like to move guys up that have SOME upside. Don't see upside in Horn or Muhammad is all.

7) Gonzalez--Do you really see more than 2-3 yrs of production left at 31? Do you think he'll have an increased blocking role and if so, will that hurt him? Loss of Green hurt?

 

[jeter23]

Thanks for sharing your rankings wannabee!

 

[thecardiackid]

rettywork:

Here's a few I'd rank differently ~

QBs

VY - #7 seems bold to me considering he has yet to prove he's elite (passing anyway) and his WRs and RBs in the near future are brutal.

Cutler, Romo, and Campbell - I think these guys are going to out perform VY, Leinart, Rivers, Lossman, etc.

RBs

DWill / Norwood - one of these guys will jump into the 12-15 range @ some point this season.

T Jones - maybe not a real long term dynasty solution, but he looks like he'll have at least 2/3 solid years.

Caddy - will rebound into respectable status if Garcia can generate even a average passing game in TB.

Long shot - B Leonard - STL will figure out a way to get him involved sooner than later and he could be decent PPR wise.

WRs

Driver - in a PPR he's $, and at least for 2/3 more years - even w/ Favre's pending retirement.

Welker - maybe I'm crazy, but I see him producing well in NE - especially in PPR as he assumes the Troy Brown role. 5-6 catches in the middle of the field a game with Moss and Stallworth keeping the DBs busy.

Reg. Brown / Curtis - one of these guys will jump into the 14-18 range IF McNabb can stay on the field.

Furrey - no respect. TDs will drop off, but PPR wise he'll still be a factor (like Welker above)

Tab Perry - one more DUI or High School party away from Henry's FT role and half a season to prove he can produce.

TEs

Troupe over Scafie - just my guess here

E Johnson - IF the guy can stay off the crutches (BIG IF), he could jump into the top 10 range

Otherwise, your lists are solid. This is just nitpicking anyway, but you asked for it, right?

Nice contribution to the pool - this along w/ F&L's list should help many a Dynasty drafter. Thanks for the effort!

 

[Penguin]

First off, excellent work. It's always nice to read someone's well thought out opinions/projections etc. It's not easy putting yourself "out there" as you are assured of seeing multiple posts bashing your rankings etc. It's an inexact science that takes a lot of time & effort to end up even remotely accurate.

Off the top of my head I see a few players that we differ on....you may be completely correct as I may be over or under valueing these guys but....

At RB I have Portis, McGahee & McAllister quite a bit lower. I love Clinton and own him on several dynasties but I need to see a complete injury free season from him before I put him in the top 10. Yes he's young and if you also have Betts you have locked up a very nice RB spot in Washington, unless of course they do a modified RBBC, ie. 65/35 or 60/40 between the two. In that case you have a low end #2 RB and a high end #3 between the two. That's the scenerio that concerns me in 2007 and quite frankly a little bit in 2008 (until I see how 2007 shakes out. If the 2007 split gives Betts anything more than 20% of the load then Portis' value drops in '08 and beyond.)

Willis McGahee at #13 seems a little aggressive to me as well. I was high on McGahee just a short time ago (once again I own him in multiple leagues) but for some reason I just have the feeling that he lost "it." In this case I think it's the desire & fire to be great, I can't put my thumb on it exactly, it's just a gut feeling. I think he'll do fine in Baltimore, heck Jamal Lewis went for over 2k a few years back, but I don't think he'll ever be first round material again.

Another that jumped out at me was Duece McAllister at #25. I have the one time New Orleans warrior currently at #23 in a redraft. I think that number only continues to decline after this year. Fact is that he may not even be in New Orleans next year, some of you may be quick to point out that that means "No more Reeggie Bush!", it also means no more explosive offense with Brees, Bush, Colston etc demanding attention. Heck, Duece may end up as a back up somewhere or in a complimentary postion etc. His current role may be the better of what he's going to see from now on, we just don't know. I can't rank him in the top 25 for Dynasty purposes at this time.

 

[Penguin]

There are a few RB's that I think you are under-valueing right now. The first is Joseph Addai, I too was very conservative with my initial rankings of him earlier this year but I have come to the realization that Addai is going to get the bulk of the work (I do not believe in Dee Dee Dorsey) in what has traditionaly been a very high scoring FF position in the past (Starting RB for the Indianapolis Colts.) I look back on his '06 numbers and I am suprised at the stats he put up while spitting time with D.Rhodes. The kid has some game, he may not be the greatest but he doesn't need to be in that offense, I think #10 is too low.

Travis Henry at #18 The reason I disagree is that when throwing out Dynasty rankings/projections we should only projext out 3 years as there are too many variables (injuries, team changes, rookies drafted, scheme changes, coaching changes etc) to predict any further. Heck, we fail miserably at redraft projetcions. I love Travis Henry this year, I think he's a potential top 5 RB that should finish no lower than #8 or #9 if he remains healthy. I love Travis next year as well, I do not see many RB's leap frogging him next year, maybe one rookie and another vet? So, I have Travis in my top 10 RB's in '07 & '08, how can I have him almost outside of the top 20 in a Dynasty. I know I might be being shortsighted here, but I'll take two top 10 seasons from him and see what I get in '09

That leads me to Shaun Alexander at #20. I believe Shaun has one very good season left in him, I'm talking about a 1400/15 rushing and 200/2 receiving year that would put him in the top 8 or so. I also think he'll have a very nice year after that, somewhere around 1200/12 rushing & 150/1 receiving that will put him in the #12-#14 range. With those two seasons I can not rank him as low as #20. There will be a few guys currently ranked above him that just disappear, it always happens, this makes it even harder to rank him as low as #20.

 

[oukurt]

Nice work, Jeff.

 

[Penguin]

Once again wannabee, no disrespect here, I love what you have done and the pasion that you put into your rankings. I'm just pointing out where we differ.

At WR I see a few that I have ranked somewhat lower than you. As has already been mentioned by someone else, Andre Johnson. I love him, but the Houston offense is like a hard limiter in that he's gotta be capped at some point, and that point is lower than #4 overall for me. As I've said before, I love him, he's an exceptional talent but even Matt Schaub doesn't elevate hime to #4 in my mind. There are some very very good young WR's out there that are going to be playing in the league for a long time (barring injury.) I'll give you Boldin (on talent alone, it's still very close and I like Boldin's situation much more, but for the sake of arguement) I can't rank Larry Fitz below him or even Tory Holt for that matter. Once again, we are not looking 5 years down the road, you can't with any accuracy. Tory will outscore AJ in '07 & '08 barring an injury to him, Bulger or S.Jackson. He may outscore him in '09 as well, I can not rank Andre over Mr. Consistancy. I'll gamble on ROY as I think that Calvin will only add to his production, now he'll only be doubled 50% of the time. Seriously, there is plenty to go around in Detroit to not only maintain but boost ROY's #'s.

Another WR that I believe will dominate is Javon Walker. There is noone else in Denver for Cutler to throw to. He's an exceptional talent that proved last year that he could put up big numbers without a stud RB or another viable WR. Travis Henry is now in town and that will only help him. Brandon Marshall (if he can ever stay healthy) will be an upgrade over the ailing Rod Smith of 2006. Someone else will eventually emerge as a #3, heck, maybe Brandon Stokley remains healthy for more than 3 games in a row. Bottom line is that it can't get any worse for Walker. Cutler is a year improved, Henrey is an upgrade at RB, Marshall should be an upgrade over Smith of '06. Also, do not count out Marvin Harrison just yet, the old man finished #1 last year, he can not be dismissed.

 

[Penguin]

Continuing with the WR's....

Lee Evans, I love his raw talent & speed but I can't see a scenerio where I rank him #7 in a dynasty, ahead of A.Boldin. R.Williams, J.Walker & even TJ Housmanzadah, ok the last one is very debatable.

Mark Clayton in the top 20. I won't deny that he has the potential but I need to see him finish in the top 20 this season before I even consider him a top 20 Dynasty prospect. Add to that that McNair will be gone soon, will the Ravens revert back to Boller or will Troy Smith take over? Either one is a huge downgrade from McNair.

Deon Branch..... where do I start. I have never been a Branch fan. I think he is and has always been overrated. I don't care about the talk of Seattle featuring him this year, I don't thinbk he's talented enough to succeed at the WR1 spot and Hackett is not good enough to draw attention away from him. #22 isn't especially high but I'd be suprised if Deon finished in the top 20, ever.

D.Jackson, now here is a guy that I really liked as a player, he had skillz. Unfortunately for DJax he came down with a severe case of turf toe that I hear is still severely limiting him til this day. It was reported that he had trouble walking on it earlier this spring and that it's very likely that he'll suffer with this throughout his carear. Turf toe can be a very dibilitating injury for an athelete, especially a RB or WR that must get up on his toes for explossion off of the line. I have to severely downgrade DJAX at this time, until he proves that he is completely healthy.

 

[Penguin]

WR's that I feel are a little low....

Of course you've already read about my man crush on Javon Walker, I think #12 is too low. I see him around #6 or #7. I think that his 2007 output will change a few minds around here and at this point (pre-season) it appears as if I am over-valueing him, which in fact I may be doing.

I'll make this next one short... Marvin Harrison, the dude finished as the #1 WR last year, he's been top 5 or so almost every year since 2000, ranking him at #18 is just not right. I too think that Reggie Wayne finishes with better #'s this year but Marvin is still in the top 6 or so. He'll be a top 10 WR in 2008 and probably a top 15 or so WR in 2009, this has to be the one ranking that varies the most from mine out of all your rankings. Old Man Harrison needs a little love here

Greg Jennings and Santonio Holmes, I really like these two. If you are going to rank anyone based purely on potential and not on accomplishments I think these two are the ones. Jennings showed flashes of greatness before being injured in his rookie year. Holmes finished up 2006 very strong. #'s 29 & 31 respectively are both too low for my liking. I beleive they will both finish 5+ spots higher in 2007 and progress from there.

 

[Penguin]

I'm too tired to continue, I'll finish up tomorrow. Once again, excellent jon wannabee!

 

[wannabee]

Thank you Cardiac, I will try to reply within your questions.

Here's a few I'd rank differently ~

QBs

VY - #7 seems bold to me considering he has yet to prove he's elite (passing anyway) and his WRs and RBs in the near future are brutal.

Cutler, Romo, and Campbell - I think these guys are going to out perform VY, Leinart, Rivers, Lossman, etc.

I like VY and think he has worlds of upside. I still think he is a year away from topping out.

RBs

DWill / Norwood - one of these guys will jump into the 12-15 range @ some point this season. See my Panther RB breakdown says why I am down on Williams.

T Jones - maybe not a real long term dynasty solution, but he looks like he'll have at least 2/3 solid years. I think Jones goes back to the Jones in AZ and TB. The situation in Chicago made him look better than he should.

Caddy - will rebound into respectable status if Garcia can generate even a average passing game in TB. Too many variables to buy into Caddy. There are several things I do not like about Caddy in TB

Long shot - B Leonard - STL will figure out a way to get him involved sooner than later and he could be decent PPR wise. I see Leonard as a situational RB, not starter material.

WRs

Driver - in a PPR he's $, and at least for 2/3 more years - even w/ Favre's pending retirement. Answered above .

Welker - maybe I'm crazy, but I see him producing well in NE - especially in PPR as he assumes the Troy Brown role. 5-6 catches in the middle of the field a game with Moss and Stallworth keeping the DBs busy. I have Welker higher than most. I like him. But tons of competition and the ball spread around too much.

Reg. Brown / Curtis - one of these guys will jump into the 14-18 range IF McNabb can stay on the field. I see the Eagles spreading the ball around too much fro one to emerge too high.

Furrey - no respect. TDs will drop off, but PPR wise he'll still be a factor (like Welker above). I just do not see a viable fantasy WR. What happens when Martz leaves? The uncertainty of Kitna/Martz, etc hurts Furrey.Tab Perry - one more DUI or High School party away from Henry's FT role and half a season to prove he can produce. I think Henry made the WR3 in Cincy viable. Henry has much more talent than Perry.

TEs

Troupe over Scafie - just my guess here I like Scaife a lot as a sleeper.E Johnson - IF the guy can stay off the crutches (BIG IF), he could jump into the top 10 range Big IF

Otherwise, your lists are solid. This is just nitpicking anyway, but you asked for it, right?

Nice contribution to the pool - this along w/ F&L's list should help many a Dynasty drafter. Thanks for the effort!

Thanks again for the feedback, cardiac.

 

[wannabee]

Thank you Penguin for the well thought out post (s). I will try to answer everything. Let me know if I missed anything.Portis is one RB I like this year. He has another year of Saunders and should improve. I am not afraid of Betts at all.Willis is one RB I expect to take a huge step forward. I expect him to perform much better in the Raven offense than Lewis did. The Bills offense was always low in the league on the rush attempts. I expect Willis to get better opportunities for TDs, receptions, and a less conservative offense. Deuce is a RB that many disagree on. I can tell you some of the staffers have Deuce higher than I do. I just see a solid RB2 for 2-3 years. I addressed it earlier, but I see Deuce fitting into a Dillon-type role as he ages. Deuce was a solid RB2 last year as RB18 overall. My ranking is not a stretch, imo. I expect the Saints to be ahead in games and using Deuce to salt away the time.

First off, excellent work. It's always nice to read someone's well thought out opinions/projections etc. It's not easy putting yourself "out there" as you are assured of seeing multiple posts bashing your rankings etc. It's an inexact science that takes a lot of time & effort to end up even remotely accurate.Off the top of my head I see a few players that we differ on....you may be completely correct as I may be over or under valueing these guys but....At RB I have Portis, McGahee & McAllister quite a bit lower. I love Clinton and own him on several dynasties but I need to see a complete injury free season from him before I put him in the top 10. Yes he's young and if you also have Betts you have locked up a very nice RB spot in Washington, unless of course they do a modified RBBC, ie. 65/35 or 60/40 between the two. In that case you have a low end #2 RB and a high end #3 between the two. That's the scenerio that concerns me in 2007 and quite frankly a little bit in 2008 (until I see how 2007 shakes out. If the 2007 split gives Betts anything more than 20% of the load then Portis' value drops in '08 and beyond.) Willis McGahee at #13 seems a little aggressive to me as well. I was high on McGahee just a short time ago (once again I own him in multiple leagues) but for some reason I just have the feeling that he lost "it." In this case I think it's the desire & fire to be great, I can't put my thumb on it exactly, it's just a gut feeling. I think he'll do fine in Baltimore, heck Jamal Lewis went for over 2k a few years back, but I don't think he'll ever be first round material again. Another that jumped out at me was Duece McAllister at #25. I have the one time New Orleans warrior currently at #23 in a redraft. I think that number only continues to decline after this year. Fact is that he may not even be in New Orleans next year, some of you may be quick to point out that that means "No more Reeggie Bush!", it also means no more explosive offense with Brees, Bush, Colston etc demanding attention. Heck, Duece may end up as a back up somewhere or in a complimentary postion etc. His current role may be the better of what he's going to see from now on, we just don't know. I can't rank him in the top 25 for Dynasty purposes at this time.

 

[wannabee]

On Addai, I have researched 2nd yr RBs, and the odds are that most 2nd year RBs are overrated. I have a hesitation on Addai due to him not carrying the load in college (before injury to the starter). I am in "wai and see" mode with Addai. He has had injury problems in the past and I just want to see more.On Henry and Alexander, I answered above.

There are a few RB's that I think you are under-valueing right now. The first is Joseph Addai, I too was very conservative with my initial rankings of him earlier this year but I have come to the realization that Addai is going to get the bulk of the work (I do not believe in Dee Dee Dorsey) in what has traditionaly been a very high scoring FF position in the past (Starting RB for the Indianapolis Colts.) I look back on his '06 numbers and I am suprised at the stats he put up while spitting time with D.Rhodes. The kid has some game, he may not be the greatest but he doesn't need to be in that offense, I think #10 is too low.Travis Henry at #18 The reason I disagree is that when throwing out Dynasty rankings/projections we should only projext out 3 years as there are too many variables (injuries, team changes, rookies drafted, scheme changes, coaching changes etc) to predict any further. Heck, we fail miserably at redraft projetcions. I love Travis Henry this year, I think he's a potential top 5 RB that should finish no lower than #8 or #9 if he remains healthy. I love Travis next year as well, I do not see many RB's leap frogging him next year, maybe one rookie and another vet? So, I have Travis in my top 10 RB's in '07 & '08, how can I have him almost outside of the top 20 in a Dynasty. I know I might be being shortsighted here, but I'll take two top 10 seasons from him and see what I get in '09That leads me to Shaun Alexander at #20. I believe Shaun has one very good season left in him, I'm talking about a 1400/15 rushing and 200/2 receiving year that would put him in the top 8 or so. I also think he'll have a very nice year after that, somewhere around 1200/12 rushing & 150/1 receiving that will put him in the #12-#14 range. With those two seasons I can not rank him as low as #20. There will be a few guys currently ranked above him that just disappear, it always happens, this makes it even harder to rank him as low as #20.

 

[wannabee]

If AJ could produce top WR numbers last year, I think he can do so again. On Walker, one issue is the way his numbers went down when Cutler took over. I do expect improvement, but in PPR, I like the 90 catch WRs and I do not see Walker in that tier. Also, the addition of a legit RB in Henry could hurt, or help, Walker. Too early to tell. I will move him up if I think the offense will improve.

Once again wannabee, no disrespect here, I love what you have done and the pasion that you put into your rankings. I'm just pointing out where we differ.At WR I see a few that I have ranked somewhat lower than you. As has already been mentioned by someone else, Andre Johnson. I love him, but the Houston offense is like a hard limiter in that he's gotta be capped at some point, and that point is lower than #4 overall for me. As I've said before, I love him, he's an exceptional talent but even Matt Schaub doesn't elevate hime to #4 in my mind. There are some very very good young WR's out there that are going to be playing in the league for a long time (barring injury.) I'll give you Boldin (on talent alone, it's still very close and I like Boldin's situation much more, but for the sake of arguement) I can't rank Larry Fitz below him or even Tory Holt for that matter. Once again, we are not looking 5 years down the road, you can't with any accuracy. Tory will outscore AJ in '07 & '08 barring an injury to him, Bulger or S.Jackson. He may outscore him in '09 as well, I can not rank Andre over Mr. Consistancy. I'll gamble on ROY as I think that Calvin will only add to his production, now he'll only be doubled 50% of the time. Seriously, there is plenty to go around in Detroit to not only maintain but boost ROY's #'s. Another WR that I believe will dominate is Javon Walker. There is noone else in Denver for Cutler to throw to. He's an exceptional talent that proved last year that he could put up big numbers without a stud RB or another viable WR. Travis Henry is now in town and that will only help him. Brandon Marshall (if he can ever stay healthy) will be an upgrade over the ailing Rod Smith of 2006. Someone else will eventually emerge as a #3, heck, maybe Brandon Stokley remains healthy for more than 3 games in a row. Bottom line is that it can't get any worse for Walker. Cutler is a year improved, Henrey is an upgrade at RB, Marshall should be an upgrade over Smith of '06. Also, do not count out Marvin Harrison just yet, the old man finished #1 last year, he can not be dismissed.

 

[wannabee]

thank you again for the feedback. On Evans, I think any improvement in Losman will translate to Evans. I LOVE Clayton. He is across from an aging WR. HE is emerging. I do see top 15 as his ceiling. But, Clayton is a future stud and is being drafted a s a top 60 player in startup dynasty drafts. I thought I had Branch lower than most. You are convincing me to move him down even further. How far would you move him in these rankings?DJax I have way lower than most everyone. I think he is an injury waiting to happen. He will have a good ppg, but 8-10 games played. Do you think he should be lower than I have him?

Continuing with the WR's....Lee Evans, I love his raw talent & speed but I can't see a scenerio where I rank him #7 in a dynasty, ahead of A.Boldin. R.Williams, J.Walker & even TJ Housmanzadah, ok the last one is very debatable. Mark Clayton in the top 20. I won't deny that he has the potential but I need to see him finish in the top 20 this season before I even consider him a top 20 Dynasty prospect. Add to that that McNair will be gone soon, will the Ravens revert back to Boller or will Troy Smith take over? Either one is a huge downgrade from McNair.Deon Branch..... where do I start. I have never been a Branch fan. I think he is and has always been overrated. I don't care about the talk of Seattle featuring him this year, I don't thinbk he's talented enough to succeed at the WR1 spot and Hackett is not good enough to draw attention away from him. #22 isn't especially high but I'd be suprised if Deon finished in the top 20, ever. D.Jackson, now here is a guy that I really liked as a player, he had skillz. Unfortunately for DJax he came down with a severe case of turf toe that I hear is still severely limiting him til this day. It was reported that he had trouble walking on it earlier this spring and that it's very likely that he'll suffer with this throughout his carear. Turf toe can be a very dibilitating injury for an athelete, especially a RB or WR that must get up on his toes for explossion off of the line. I have to severely downgrade DJAX at this time, until he proves that he is completely healthy.

 

[EBF]

Not too bad overall. Dynasty rankings are always tough once you get past the elite guys at each position.

The only rankings I strongly disagree with at first glance are Alex Smith and Carnell Williams.

Smith is better than at least 4-5 of the QBs you have ranked ahead of him. The 49ers are one of the rising franchises in the league. I definitely expect Smith to benefit from that. He's probably a top 15 dynasty QB right now.

As for Cadillac, you have him below the likes of Morency, Jacobs, and Barber. Unless his back problems are more severe than we know, he should probably be at least ten spots higher. You can make a pretty good case for him as high as 13-15.

Look for Brad Smith to climb these lists over the next two or three years. He could be the next Hackett or Berrian.

 

[wannabee]

Jennings, like Driver, will be hurt by the loss of Favre. I am interested to see how it sorts out. He did impress last year.Holmes, I have a tough time with. I think his ceiling is much lower than others. I see his ceiling about where Branch is now.

WR's that I feel are a little low....Of course you've already read about my man crush on Javon Walker, I think #12 is too low. I see him around #6 or #7. I think that his 2007 output will change a few minds around here and at this point (pre-season) it appears as if I am over-valueing him, which in fact I may be doing.I'll make this next one short... Marvin Harrison, the dude finished as the #1 WR last year, he's been top 5 or so almost every year since 2000, ranking him at #18 is just not right. I too think that Reggie Wayne finishes with better #'s this year but Marvin is still in the top 6 or so. He'll be a top 10 WR in 2008 and probably a top 15 or so WR in 2009, this has to be the one ranking that varies the most from mine out of all your rankings. Old Man Harrison needs a little love here Greg Jennings and Santonio Holmes, I really like these two. If you are going to rank anyone based purely on potential and not on accomplishments I think these two are the ones. Jennings showed flashes of greatness before being injured in his rookie year. Holmes finished up 2006 very strong. #'s 29 & 31 respectively are both too low for my liking. I beleive they will both finish 5+ spots higher in 2007 and progress from there.

 

[EBF]

Also, Holmes is a lot better than Branch, IMO. Branch is one of the most overrated players in FF. In five NFL seasons, he has career highs of 998 yards and 5 receiving TDs. Holmes could very well top those numbers next season. IMO, he has TJ Housh/Reggie Wayne potential if things fall perfectly. He's this year's version of last year's Mark Clayton and is a very solid investment.

 

[wannabee]

Not too bad overall. Dynasty rankings are always tough once you get past the elite guys at each position.The only rankings I strongly disagree with at first glance are Alex Smith and Carnell Williams. Smith is better than at least 4-5 of the QBs you have ranked ahead of him. The 49ers are one of the rising franchises in the league. I definitely expect Smith to benefit from that. He's probably a top 15 dynasty QB right now. As for Cadillac, you have him below the likes of Morency, Jacobs, and Barber. Unless his back problems are more severe than we know, he should probably be at least ten spots higher. You can make a pretty good case for him as high as 13-15. Look for Brad Smith to climb these lists over the next two or three years. He could be the next Hackett or Berrian.

I answered Smitha nd Caddy above. Each has reasons I am not comfortable with. I am not buying into the assumption that the Niner offense will take another step forward for a few reasons.I might be off on Caddy, but I just do not see his upside as high as everyone else. MB3 produced more in 2006 and has more upside, imo Jacobs and Morency are starters in the NFL as well and each has shown flashes.

 

[wannabee]

Also, Holmes is a lot better than Branch, IMO. Branch is one of the most overrated players in FF. In five NFL seasons, he has career highs of 998 yards and 5 receiving TDs. Holmes could very well top those numbers next season. IMO, he has TJ Housh/Reggie Wayne potential if things fall perfectly. He's this year's version of last year's Mark Clayton and is a very solid investment.

maybe so, but I do not see it. I agree on Branch .... which says what i think of Holmes

 

[wannabee]

Also, I appreciate all of the comments and feedback. In the next few days, I might answer some of the questions with another username. You will know it is me with a kid as the avatar and the same signature.

 

[EBF]

I answered Smitha nd Caddy above. Each has reasons I am not comfortable with. I am not buying into the assumption that the Niner offense will take another step forward for a few reasons.

What's not to like about the Niners? They've been impressive in the draft and free agency for the past couple of years. They've added Vernon Davis, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie, and Darrell Jackson. Smith will definitely reap the rewards of those acquisitions. It's not like the guy is chopped liver. He was the number one overall pick and he showed major improvement last season. I don't see a huge gap between him and guys like Cutler.

I might be off on Caddy, but I just do not see his upside as high as everyone else. MB3 produced more in 2006 and has more upside, imo Jacobs and Morency are starters in the NFL as well and each has shown flashes.

Caddy's rookie year was almost identical to Tomlinson's. He has plent of upside and he's proven it in the past. The guy was a top 5 pick and arguably the best back from his draft class (although Gore has made a great case for himself since then).The Bucs are a bit of a mess, but to rank Caddy below RBBC types like Barber and stop-gap solutions like Morency and Jacobs is a mistake.

 

[EBF]

Also, Holmes is a lot better than Branch, IMO. Branch is one of the most overrated players in FF. In five NFL seasons, he has career highs of 998 yards and 5 receiving TDs. Holmes could very well top those numbers next season. IMO, he has TJ Housh/Reggie Wayne potential if things fall perfectly. He's this year's version of last year's Mark Clayton and is a very solid investment.

maybe so, but I do not see it. I agree on Branch .... which says what i think of Holmes

Holmes:- First round pick- First WR chosen in his draft - 800 receiving yards as a rookie- 500 receiving yards in the second half of his rookie year- Plays on a solid team with a competent QBWhat's not to like? IMO, he has all the makings of a solid player.

 

[wannabee]

Also, Holmes is a lot better than Branch, IMO. Branch is one of the most overrated players in FF. In five NFL seasons, he has career highs of 998 yards and 5 receiving TDs. Holmes could very well top those numbers next season. IMO, he has TJ Housh/Reggie Wayne potential if things fall perfectly. He's this year's version of last year's Mark Clayton and is a very solid investment.

maybe so, but I do not see it. I agree on Branch .... which says what i think of Holmes

Holmes:- First round pick- First WR chosen in his draft - 800 receiving yards as a rookie- 500 receiving yards in the second half of his rookie year- Plays on a solid team with a competent QBWhat's not to like? IMO, he has all the makings of a solid player.

You put a lot more stock in original draft position than I do. Just because he was the first WR drafted does not mean he will be the best of the draft by any means. I see a couple other WRs in that draft class I like better that were not as highly drafted, recruited out of high school or graded by scouts.

 

[az_prof]

QBs:

Peyton Manning

Carson Palmer

Tom Brady

Mark Bulger

Drew Brees

Don McNabb

Vince Young

Michael Vick

Matt Leinart

Ben Roethlisberger

Matt Hasselbeck

Jay Cutler

Phillip Rivers

Eli Manning

Rex Grossman

Tony Romo

Matt Schaub

JP Losman

Jon Kitna

Jamarcus Russell

Jason Campbell

Alex Smith

Tarvaris Jackson

Byron Leftwich

Brett Favre

Jake Delhomme

Brady Quinn

Drew Stanton

Chad Pennington

D Culpepper

Steve McNair

D Huard

A Rodgers

J. GarciaTrent Green

J Beck

B. Croyle

Joey Harrington

C Lemon

D. Anderson

D Garrard

Trent Edwards

Josh McCown

K Boller

David Carr

C Frye

K Kolb

C Simms

Quinn Gray

Kellen Clemens

S. Rosenfels

AJ Feeley

G. Frerotte

B Griese

Troy Smith

C. Batch

A Walter

First, great job. I have highlighted some of the rankings that I question, but I congratulate you on doing this.Brees: was in top 3 last year and I don't see why that should change. Bulger is a system guy and his WRs are aging and the longer in time we get away from the Martz era the lower Bulger's stock will fall. Brady is good, but never puts up top numbers because of balanced offense and good defense.

Vince Young: you aren't the only guy falling for the hype but when you consider he has the worst supporting cast in the league it is hard to see how he can do so well.

Vick: The threat of being suspended for a year alone should lower him further, outside of top 10. I certainly would not want to rely upon him to be my starting Qb this year or in the future.

Some old QBs like Green and Garcia are REALLY low. Now I can see downgrading them because of age, but I think you go too far. Even in dynasty you want to win this year.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

QBs:

Peyton Manning

Carson Palmer

Tom Brady

Mark Bulger

Drew Brees

Don McNabb

Vince Young

Michael Vick

Matt Leinart

Ben Roethlisberger

Matt Hasselbeck

Jay Cutler

Phillip Rivers

Eli Manning

Rex Grossman

Tony Romo

Matt Schaub

JP Losman

Jon Kitna

Jamarcus Russell

Jason Campbell

Alex Smith

Tarvaris Jackson

Byron Leftwich

Brett Favre

Jake Delhomme

Brady Quinn

Drew Stanton

Chad Pennington

D Culpepper

Steve McNair

D Huard

A Rodgers

J. GarciaTrent Green

J Beck

B. Croyle

Joey Harrington

C Lemon

D. Anderson

D Garrard

Trent Edwards

Josh McCown

K Boller

David Carr

C Frye

K Kolb

C Simms

Quinn Gray

Kellen Clemens

S. Rosenfels

AJ Feeley

G. Frerotte

B Griese

Troy Smith

C. Batch

A Walter

First, great job. I have highlighted some of the rankings that I question, but I congratulate you on doing this.Brees: was in top 3 last year and I don't see why that should change. Bulger is a system guy and his WRs are aging and the longer in time we get away from the Martz era the lower Bulger's stock will fall. Brady is good, but never puts up top numbers because of balanced offense and good defense.

Vince Young: you aren't the only guy falling for the hype but when you consider he has the worst supporting cast in the league it is hard to see how he can do so well.

Vick: The threat of being suspended for a year alone should lower him further, outside of top 10. I certainly would not want to rely upon him to be my starting Qb this year or in the future.

Some old QBs like Green and Garcia are REALLY low. Now I can see downgrading them because of age, but I think you go too far. Even in dynasty you want to win this year.

thank you for the feedback. I will try to answer all of the questions.My issue with Brees is that I see last year as his ceiling plus he lost his vet WR. Look at the WRs on that team. Colson is a 2nd year guy, Henderson 3rd, Copper is very inexperienced, Meachem a rookie. I see last year as one that everything fell perfect. Will be tough to duplicate.

Bulger and Brady get veteran weapons. They each might be "system" QBs, but so is Peyton. I expect Brady and Bulger to have very good 2007 seasons.

Vick is one I see as undervalued. I do not foresee a suspension. But, the talk of one is driving down his value.

Green - I do not see him making it through half of a season .... see Jason Taylor's comments about scrambled eggs.

Garcia - hard for me to foresee top 18-20 numbers for 1-2 seasons that he will be in the NFL. Since this is dynasty, there are other QB2 (value) I would prefer as backup QBs. Most of these would be younger QBs that offer some upside.

 

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a few comments:think Braylon is a little low, while Clayton is too high. I think they should be swapped