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[DYNASTY] rookie rankings (1 Viewer)

(mix)... the 1.04 pick is...

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JayMan

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Let's get Peterson / Johnson / Lynch out of the way... since they are the concensus top3 this year...

Suppose you have to choose: the next RB - the next WR - the next guy... who is it?

I know that roster requirements, number of teams, scoring system, etc. are all influencial factors... but, in general, if you had to pick one guy for each poll...

 
Let's get Peterson / Johnson / Lynch out of the way... since they are the concensus top3 this year...Suppose you have to choose: the next RB - the next WR - the next guy... who is it?I know that roster requirements, number of teams, scoring system, etc. are all influencial factors... but, in general, if you had to pick one guy for each poll...
Great Idea Jayman. Maybe you can do one after the draft to see the changes, if any.I like Irons at 1.04. Not a strong pick there but IMO best option with what's left. If I needed WR I really like Bowe.Of course I have 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 and 1.07 so I'll have plenty of options.
 
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I think people are knocking Jarrett down too much based on suspected 4.40 time.

He hired a conditioning coach last season, improved his speed, weight, etc. and showed he has can work.

Separation at the next level may be an issue, but I don't think he should be knocked as much as he has. Guys are bumping up Bowe and Meachem a hell of a lot, much like CJax was bumped last year following the combine. Now, I'm not saying that these two won't be solid NFL WRs, but I think they are being hyped a bit too much and vice-versa.

ETA: Note that I have Meachem and Jarrett at 2/3 WR on the board interchangibly - post was made primarily to discuss Jarrett's drop.

 
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Three way race for the RBs: Booker / Irons / Pittman...

Four way race for the WRs: Bowe / Meachem / Jarrett / Rice...

I'm a bit surprised by Hunt and Ginn's respective rankings so far...

The mix (1.04) pick is even more blurred... that doesn't bode well for that particular pick... when no one can agree on a guy, it usually means that there is a big talent dropoff...

 
I think the 1.04 pick will become clearer after the NFL draft, at least with regards to which RB is the best option.

 
I think the 1.04 pick will become clearer after the NFL draft, at least with regards to which RB is the best option.
I agree with this. There are several Rbs who in the right situation will emerge as the clear choice.As it stands right now Qb Russell ( my other vote for 1.04) is a very good option as well. He has the tools to possibly become a top 5 Qb if developed properly. I know most people will not look to Qb this early but who wouldn't want to take Carson Palmer @ pick 1.04 with what they know now?
 
The mix (1.04) pick is even more blurred... that doesn't bode well for that particular pick... when no one can agree on a guy, it usually means that there is a big talent dropoff...
Or the WR class is deep?
For owners who have 2 or more WR they value somewhat equaly those owners may be more inclined to make a early pick at another position thinking that one of the several WRs they like will still be available to them with a later pick.If several owners are thinking this way it could cause WRs to drop in the draft.
 
In a dynasty format I really like Bush. He may not play much this season, but he will get a crack at being a workhorse for a team sometime in the next few seasons.

Great guy to stash away.

 
I think it's foolish looking for RB gold iin the middle of the 1st rd in the 2007 draft with such a deep draft at WR, unless you have several 1st rd picks. Even if I'm strong at WR, I think it's easier to trade a very good WR than a RB that probably won't amount to much. If a team is weak at QB I can see drafting either Russell or Quinn at 1.4 depending on their situation. I believe this is one of the weakest RB classes in recent memory outside of Peterson and Lynch. By the way, I like Lynch more than Peterson.

 
I think it's foolish looking for RB gold iin the middle of the 1st rd in the 2007 draft with such a deep draft at WR, unless you have several 1st rd picks. Even if I'm strong at WR, I think it's easier to trade a very good WR than a RB that probably won't amount to much. If a team is weak at QB I can see drafting either Russell or Quinn at 1.4 depending on their situation. I believe this is one of the weakest RB classes in recent memory outside of Peterson and Lynch. By the way, I like Lynch more than Peterson.
I keep hearing this sentiment that "this Rb class is weak" but I never see such a statement being backed up.I think a more accurate statement would be "this Wr class is strong".May need to start another thread on the subject comparing this Rb class to the last 5 years. When you do that I do not really see why the 2007 Rb class is "weak". It just so happens that this Wr class is stronger than most have been since the Fitz class of Wrs.
 
I think it's foolish looking for RB gold iin the middle of the 1st rd in the 2007 draft with such a deep draft at WR, unless you have several 1st rd picks. Even if I'm strong at WR, I think it's easier to trade a very good WR than a RB that probably won't amount to much. If a team is weak at QB I can see drafting either Russell or Quinn at 1.4 depending on their situation. I believe this is one of the weakest RB classes in recent memory outside of Peterson and Lynch. By the way, I like Lynch more than Peterson.
I keep hearing this sentiment that "this Rb class is weak" but I never see such a statement being backed up.I think a more accurate statement would be "this Wr class is strong".May need to start another thread on the subject comparing this Rb class to the last 5 years. When you do that I do not really see why the 2007 Rb class is "weak". It just so happens that this Wr class is stronger than most have been since the Fitz class of Wrs.
Saying that the RB class is weak is just speculation. We won't know the answer to that for a few years. Of course this class could surprise us, but from what I've read on scouting reports, I get a general sense this class isn't strong. It's not like I'm an expert at scouting NFL players, or I would would have a job in the NFL. I only know what I read and make a judgement. There will be diamonds in the rough, there almost always are, but I think a fantasy team is better off taking a very good WR and work a trade for a RB.
 
Biabreakable said:
I keep hearing this sentiment that "this Rb class is weak" but I never see such a statement being backed up.
Obvously you don't know for a few years how a class grades, but a couple of things serve as evidence and reasonable speculation that supports at least the draft will result in this appearing to be a weak class, which makes it an applicable statement regarding the draft class at the time they're drafted:- I've never seen a year where as many of the top senior prospects were disappointments across the board. Regardless of the role injury played for some, that impacts draft value. Irons, Bush, Moss, and Darby had a huge drop off from their outstanding previous production. Booker ended his college career failing to ever have a year that matched his hype. DeShawn Wynn had his typical solid, but unspectacular year. Pretty much the only top senior RB prospect that had a great season was Tony Hunt, and he just had a horrible Pro Day.- only two RBs are projected as first round picksWhat determines a strong class is subjective and in flux even after the fact b/c of the turnover/short lifespan at the position. I mean you look at 2000 when there were 5 1st round picks...that seems like a strong class, but out of those five, only Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis have achieved substantial consistent success. Thomas Jones didn't hit for five years (and probably a waiver or two in many dynasty leagues) and we'll see if he can beyond two years, while lower round guys like Mike Anderson and Rueben Droughns were one-hit (or two hit...Anderson had two good years, didn't he?) wonders. Of course, that year there were no second round RBs and just four more day one RBs, so if you want to look at it as Day One RBs, it was more top heavy than great all-around even out of the draft.If you look at any RB class, you're hard pressed to find more than two or three guys who have achieved consistent success. So while I agree it's always too early to define any segment of a draft as 'weak' before they've even taken the field, there are two relevant things about a statement like that:(1) Leading up to a draft, you define it terms of how many prospects will be highly selected, where it is applicable(2) For a RB class, it only takes three guys to find consistent success (which is just > 2 yrs) as a feature runner for that class to be "strong"
 
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The 2007 Rb draft class does not appear to be as strong as last year 2006 which ended up being perhaps the most exceptional Rb draft class we have seen in recent history.

Addai and Maroney are allready uncontested starters with White potentialy being one as well.

MJD performed exceptionaly in COP role that could increase. We have not seen a small Rb like him pan out in previous draft classes.

Bush and DeAngelo Williams still have compitition but have shown to be promising Rbs.

That is 6 possible starters from 2006 with Norwood possibly panning out as well. Some of these may not live up to expectations but that this many are possible starters at this point is exceptional. Not sure if there has ever been a better draft class than this one looks to be right now.

2005 had 3 Rbs drafted in the 1st 5 picks. That was exceptional as well. However I think it was more a product of lack of talent at other positions more than the talent of those 3 Rbs that caused this. Benson still has not proven capable of being a starting back yet although now he will get his chance. Carnell Williams had a terrible season in 2006 and looks to be still sharing with role players in 2007. Brown has not played up to expectations yet at this point either. Gore has been the best Rb so far from this draft class. Marion Barber and Brandon Jacobs are in the mix to have bigger roles in 2007.

So while I would call the last 2 years Rb crops very strong and 2007 does not look as promising as those were that does not mean that the 2007 group is weak. It just isn't as good as the 2 previous years. And because of the strength of the previous 2 years there are less openings and opportunities for Rbs right now in the league. To be fair however we need to compare this draft class with other previous Rb groups that have not been as good as 2005 and 2006.

2004

1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State

1 26 Chris Perry RB Michigan

1 30 Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech

2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State

2 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame

4 119 Mewelde Moore RB Tulane

4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas

5 154 Michael Turner RB Northern Illinois

2003

1 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami

1 27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State

3 77 Musa Smith RB Georgia

3 93 Chris Brown RB Colorado

3 96 Justin Fargas RB Southern California

4 99 Artose Pinner RB Kentucky

4 101 Domanick Williams RB Louisiana State

4 105 Onterrio Smith RB Oregon

4 108 Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma

4 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech

2002

1 16 William Green RB Boston College

1 18 T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State

2 34 DeShaun Foster RB UCLA

2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami

2 54 Maurice Morris RB Oregon

2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa

3 91 Brian Westbrook RB Villanova

4 99 Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State

4 119 Travis Stephens RB Tennessee

4 135 Najeh Davenport RB Miami

2001

1 5 LaDainian Tomlinson RB Texas Christian

1 23 Deuce McAllister RB Mississippi

1 27 Michael Bennett RB Wisconsin

2 38 Anthony Thomas RB Michigan

2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland

2 58 Travis Henry RB Tennessee

3 65 James Jackson RB Miami

3 80 Kevan Barlow RB Pittsburgh

3 82 Heath Evans RB Auburn

3 85 Travis Minor RB Florida State

4 100 Rudi Johnson RB Auburn

2000

1 5 Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee

1 7 Thomas Jones RB Virginia

1 11 Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin

1 19 Shaun Alexander RB Alabama

1 31 Trung Canidate RB Arizona

3 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami, O.

3 81 Reuben Droughns RB Oregon

3 88 Doug Chapman RB Marshall

4 97 Curtis Keaton RB James Madison

4 115 Frank Moreau RB Louisville

5 144 Michael Wiley RB Ohio State

6 171 Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota

6 189 Mike Anderson RB Utah

Here are some of the 2007 prospects (some may emerge that are not listed yet)

Booker, Lorenzo 5-10 193 Florida State - seems a equal prospect to Tatum Bell, Canidate or Bennett upside could be Westbrook in perfect situation (Eagles might be the only perfect situation for him and its full)

Bush, Michael 6-3 253 Louisville - seems a equal prospect to Jacobs, Dayne or Duckett upside could be Rudi or Jamal/downside could be Shelton

Darby, Kenneth 5-10 213 Alabama - may be a similar prospect to Chester Taylor, Barlow, SOD, Droughns or perhaps worse.

Henry, Chris 6-0 228 Arizona - workout warrior hard to say if he can play or not.

Hunt, Tony 6-0 230 Penn State - similar to Lamont Jordan, Barlow maybe Turner.

Irons, Kenny 5-11 195 Auburn - similar prospect to Julius Jones, Travis Henry or Ladell Betts. Maybe not as good but possibly better.

Lynch, Marshawn 5-11 217 California - seems a equal prospect to Thomas Jones, Kevin Jones, Chris Perry or William Green. Upside could be Edge

Peterson, Adrian 6-2 218 Oklahoma - looks capable of being similar to LJ, Alexander, Deuce McAllister or Steven Jackson

Pittman, Antonio 5-11 195 Ohio State - Julius Jones, Thomas Jones, Bennett, T. Bell. Upside could be Westbrook or Portis/Downside Canidate, Morris or James Jackson.

Russell, Gary 5-11 217 Minnesota - had similar success to Marion Barber. Could have success like Anthony Thomas, Ladell Betts, DeShaun Foster, Chris Brown or possibly Travis Henry.

Wolfe, Garrett 5-7 177 Northern Illinois - most likely more Sproles or Morris than MJD.. MJD is rare.

Wynn, DeShawn 5-10 238 Florida - Mike Anderson, Barlow, Anthony Thomas, Jonathan Wells upside Rudi/downside Davenport.

These are not even all of the Rb prospects. But I see them as being competitive with what the 2000-2004 draft classes had to offer and possibly better than some of those. While the 1st round prospects may not be there as you can see being drafted 1st round does not equal talent or success. The 2000 draft class had 5 1st round picks that produced 1 star 1 decent starter 2 late bloomers and one darkstar Mike Anderson. You also have to consider the talent available at other positions in 2007 at Wr Cb and De that will push the Rbs down. The 2005 and 2006 drafts did not offer as much talent at Wr or De as this draft class does.

We have not seen a Wr group this strong since 2004 and this group may be deeper and more talented than 2004 was. 2004 was so notable because of the name recognition that many of the prospects had such as Eli and Winslow.

Perhaps the majority is right and most of these 2007 Rb prospects will be duds. I am just warning against underestimating them.

 

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