Dynasty: Young QBs, who are you targetting? (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Where I have beef is with the "game manager" label. Sanchez isn't a game manager. He's a quarterback who played in a system that didn't ask him to throw often. This tells us nothing about his upside if and when he's unleashed.

Um, that's the very definition of a game manager. Just sayin'

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Everyone thought Roethlisberger would always be a game manager because of how he was used in his rookie season. When I suggested that he had a lot more upside than people realized using arguments exactly like the ones I'm using to support Sanchez, they responded with things that sound exactly like what you're saying. I think the greater overall problem is a lopsided emphasis on "what have you done for me lately" and not enough foresight. If you start looking at what Sanchez can become rather than looking at what he was as a rookie, you might start to understand why dismissive claims about his long term upside are absurd this early in his career.

A good general rule of thumb is that good NFL QBs tend to become good FF QBs. If Sanchez ends up being a franchise caliber passer then it's pretty silly to think that his FF totals won't reflect it. Now if you don't happen to think he's the real deal then I'm fine with that, but to speak decisively about his long term potential is just silly at this point IMO.

Here's the Roethlisberger thread for the sake of reference: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=159670&hl=

What is Roethlisberger's upside since he's one bad date away from being suspended for the entire year? I'll hang up now and listen.

 

[ty247]

I think a great value buy this year is Josh Freeman; You can probably get him for next to nothing.

Here's why I think he's worth picking up.

He stepped into a dismal situation last year with Tampa Bay, with very few first team reps at all, and came out and produced.

His stats were comparable to Sanchez's during the regular season, and that's with a lesser supporting cast.

He's got first round pedigree, protypical size, cannon arm, and can run the football.

He has excellent movement in the pocket, and is able to avoid the rush, and he's so big and strong he's difficult to take down.

Tampa Bay looks to be building around him and added Benn and Williams, to go along with Stroughter and Winslow.. which gives him an excellent selection of young talent to throw to.

His work ethic is phenomenal.. all off-season while everyone else was either vacationing or recovering from injuries/surgery, he was in the Buccaneers facilities with Stroughter in the film room, weight room and practice field.

During the rookie mini camp, he was out there watching them, getting to know the new players.

If you can grab him on the cheap do so and stash him away.

 

[thevidon]

Where I have beef is with the "game manager" label. Sanchez isn't a game manager. He's a quarterback who played in a system that didn't ask him to throw often. This tells us nothing about his upside if and when he's unleashed.

Um, that's the very definition of a game manager. Just sayin'

Although I disagree with EBF in this thread, I will defend his point. He is saying that he feels Sanchez has the ceiling to allow him to be a top flight fantasy QB if he were placed in the right system. A true "game manager" QB cannot ever become a QB1 option no matter the system. Think of game managers as guys like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.

 

[FUBAR]

Where I have beef is with the "game manager" label. Sanchez isn't a game manager. He's a quarterback who played in a system that didn't ask him to throw often. This tells us nothing about his upside if and when he's unleashed.

Um, that's the very definition of a game manager. Just sayin'

Although I disagree with EBF in this thread, I will defend his point. He is saying that he feels Sanchez has the ceiling to allow him to be a top flight fantasy QB if he were placed in the right system. A true "game manager" QB cannot ever become a QB1 option no matter the system. Think of game managers as guys like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.

His current role is game manager but that could easily change.

 

[Bayhawks]

Where I have beef is with the "game manager" label. Sanchez isn't a game manager. He's a quarterback who played in a system that didn't ask him to throw often. This tells us nothing about his upside if and when he's unleashed.

Um, that's the very definition of a game manager. Just sayin'

Although I disagree with EBF in this thread, I will defend his point. He is saying that he feels Sanchez has the ceiling to allow him to be a top flight fantasy QB if he were placed in the right system. A true "game manager" QB cannot ever become a QB1 option no matter the system. Think of game managers as guys like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.

Well, that's just not true. Brady was a "game manager" when he first took over the Pats. I would say he's become a top-flight fantasy QB. Roethlisberger was a game manager in his first few years. He is (or was, before his "indiscretions") a top QB 2 of the last 3 years.

Brees was a game manager his first few years when he was QB for the Chargers. Now he's in the discussion for THE top QB.

 

[finito]

Where I have beef is with the "game manager" label. Sanchez isn't a game manager. He's a quarterback who played in a system that didn't ask him to throw often. This tells us nothing about his upside if and when he's unleashed.

Um, that's the very definition of a game manager. Just sayin'

Although I disagree with EBF in this thread, I will defend his point. He is saying that he feels Sanchez has the ceiling to allow him to be a top flight fantasy QB if he were placed in the right system. A true "game manager" QB cannot ever become a QB1 option no matter the system. Think of game managers as guys like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.

Well, that's just not true. Brady was a "game manager" when he first took over the Pats. I would say he's become a top-flight fantasy QB. Roethlisberger was a game manager in his first few years. He is (or was, before his "indiscretions") a top QB 2 of the last 3 years.

Brees was a game manager his first few years when he was QB for the Chargers. Now he's in the discussion for THE top QB.

I think they're saying someone like Trent Dilfer could NEVER become a great QB1 because it simply wasn't in him - he wasn't good enough. Brady, Roeth and Brees were good enough to become QB #1s. So they weren't true game managers - they always had the talent to be great QBs and were being held back by the system. A true game manager does not have the same potential as those types. There's a big difference here -- some guys have the talent to become good #1s, others don't.

 

[EBF]

Everyone thought Roethlisberger would always be a game manager because of how he was used in his rookie season. When I suggested that he had a lot more upside than people realized using arguments exactly like the ones I'm using to support Sanchez, they responded with things that sound exactly like what you're saying. I think the greater overall problem is a lopsided emphasis on "what have you done for me lately" and not enough foresight. If you start looking at what Sanchez can become rather than looking at what he was as a rookie, you might start to understand why dismissive claims about his long term upside are absurd this early in his career.

A good general rule of thumb is that good NFL QBs tend to become good FF QBs. If Sanchez ends up being a franchise caliber passer then it's pretty silly to think that his FF totals won't reflect it. Now if you don't happen to think he's the real deal then I'm fine with that, but to speak decisively about his long term potential is just silly at this point IMO.

Here's the Roethlisberger thread for the sake of reference: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=159670&hl=

What is Roethlisberger's upside since he's one bad date away from being suspended for the entire year? I'll hang up now and listen.

Seeing as he was rated as ~QB18 at the time I made that post and he's since posted two top 10 seasons in the past three years, I think that justifies everything I said about him in that thread. You'll have to find something else to nitpick.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Everyone thought Roethlisberger would always be a game manager because of how he was used in his rookie season. When I suggested that he had a lot more upside than people realized using arguments exactly like the ones I'm using to support Sanchez, they responded with things that sound exactly like what you're saying. I think the greater overall problem is a lopsided emphasis on "what have you done for me lately" and not enough foresight. If you start looking at what Sanchez can become rather than looking at what he was as a rookie, you might start to understand why dismissive claims about his long term upside are absurd this early in his career.

A good general rule of thumb is that good NFL QBs tend to become good FF QBs. If Sanchez ends up being a franchise caliber passer then it's pretty silly to think that his FF totals won't reflect it. Now if you don't happen to think he's the real deal then I'm fine with that, but to speak decisively about his long term potential is just silly at this point IMO.

Here's the Roethlisberger thread for the sake of reference: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=159670&hl=

What is Roethlisberger's upside since he's one bad date away from being suspended for the entire year? I'll hang up now and listen.

Seeing as he was rated as ~QB18 at the time I made that post and he's since posted two top 10 seasons in the past three years, I think that justifies everything I said about him in that thread. You'll have to find something else to nitpick.

I wouldn't call bringing up the fact that he's one bad date away from a year suspension nitpicking, it's probably a fact. You can ignore it if you must.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Everyone thought Roethlisberger would always be a game manager because of how he was used in his rookie season. When I suggested that he had a lot more upside than people realized using arguments exactly like the ones I'm using to support Sanchez, they responded with things that sound exactly like what you're saying. I think the greater overall problem is a lopsided emphasis on "what have you done for me lately" and not enough foresight. If you start looking at what Sanchez can become rather than looking at what he was as a rookie, you might start to understand why dismissive claims about his long term upside are absurd this early in his career.

A good general rule of thumb is that good NFL QBs tend to become good FF QBs. If Sanchez ends up being a franchise caliber passer then it's pretty silly to think that his FF totals won't reflect it. Now if you don't happen to think he's the real deal then I'm fine with that, but to speak decisively about his long term potential is just silly at this point IMO.

Here's the Roethlisberger thread for the sake of reference: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=159670&hl=

What is Roethlisberger's upside since he's one bad date away from being suspended for the entire year? I'll hang up now and listen.

Seeing as he was rated as ~QB18 at the time I made that post and he's since posted two top 10 seasons in the past three years, I think that justifies everything I said about him in that thread. You'll have to find something else to nitpick.

I wouldn't call bringing up the fact that he's one bad date away from a year suspension nitpicking, it's probably a fact. You can ignore it if you must.

This discussion relates to how Ben progressed as a QB in the NFL. What he does off the field doesn't matter to this discussion. It's a red herring you are throwing out there.

 

[Sabertooth]

So people use game manager as a derogatory term as opposed to a functional term. Just for the record, which QBs under 26 don't have the potential to become better than Trent Dilfer? It is easy to see these guys in hindsight, but apparently to the crack scout team at FBG, they should be plain as day before they fail.

 

[Childress]

This thread makes me feel much better about my Cutler-Kolb-Stafford set of QB's in my dynasty league.What was a crap position for me last year could be a plus this year and garner a quality player via trade. I know you all don't give a crap about my team, but it is just a picture of what being patient and drafting well in rookie drafts can do for you from year to year. I've even got a fourth starter in Jason Campbell on my roster as a nice throw in for someone needing a backup QB.

I had a terrible time winning with Cutler, Cassel, Stafford last year so I did some deals and ended up with Cutler, Kolb, Stafford, Campbell. I'm going to love my QBBC this year!!

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Everyone thought Roethlisberger would always be a game manager because of how he was used in his rookie season. When I suggested that he had a lot more upside than people realized using arguments exactly like the ones I'm using to support Sanchez, they responded with things that sound exactly like what you're saying. I think the greater overall problem is a lopsided emphasis on "what have you done for me lately" and not enough foresight. If you start looking at what Sanchez can become rather than looking at what he was as a rookie, you might start to understand why dismissive claims about his long term upside are absurd this early in his career.

A good general rule of thumb is that good NFL QBs tend to become good FF QBs. If Sanchez ends up being a franchise caliber passer then it's pretty silly to think that his FF totals won't reflect it. Now if you don't happen to think he's the real deal then I'm fine with that, but to speak decisively about his long term potential is just silly at this point IMO.

Here's the Roethlisberger thread for the sake of reference: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=159670&hl=

What is Roethlisberger's upside since he's one bad date away from being suspended for the entire year? I'll hang up now and listen.

Seeing as he was rated as ~QB18 at the time I made that post and he's since posted two top 10 seasons in the past three years, I think that justifies everything I said about him in that thread. You'll have to find something else to nitpick.

I wouldn't call bringing up the fact that he's one bad date away from a year suspension nitpicking, it's probably a fact. You can ignore it if you must.

This discussion relates to how Ben progressed as a QB in the NFL. What he does off the field doesn't matter to this discussion. It's a red herring you are throwing out there.

If you want to talk about Ben's upside you have to factor in what would happen to that upside should he mess with the wrong girl again. Doesn't that factor into what the title of this thread is, "Young QBs, who are you targeting?". I sure as hell look at more than just talent when I target anyone.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

This discussion relates to how Ben progressed as a QB in the NFL. What he does off the field doesn't matter to this discussion. It's a red herring you are throwing out there.

If you want to talk about Ben's upside you have to factor in what would happen to that upside should he mess with the wrong girl again. Doesn't that factor into what the title of this thread is, "Young QBs, who are you targeting?". I sure as hell look at more than just talent when I target anyone.

I don't buy the argument. I didn't see anyone in that thread from 2005 telling people to avoid Big Ben because of his character concerns. It was entirely based on the game manager thoughts about him. We are not talking about Pac-Man Jones here, the character concerns with Ben snuck up on everyone.

 

[OnThInIcE911]

Tier 1

Joe Flacco, BAL - Age 25

Matt Ryan, ATL - Age 24

Matthew Stafford, DET - Age 22

Tier 2

Kevin Kolb, PHI - Age 25

Mark Sanchez, NYJ - Age 23

Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24

Vince Young, TEN - Age 26

Tier 3

Sam Bradford, STL - Age 22

Josh Freeman, TB - Age 22

Alex Smith, SF - Age 25

Tier 4

Matt Moore, CAR - Age 25

Tim Tebow, DEN - Age 22

Matt Leinart, ARI - Age 26

Jimmy Clausen, CAR - Age 22

Dennis Dixon, PIT - Age 24

Colt McCoy, CLE - Age 23

Tier 5 AKA Grab Bag

Josh Johnson, TB - Age 23

Troy Smith, BAL - Age 25

Pat White, MIA - Age 23

Brady Quinn, DEN - Age 24

These are more or less my rankings. I think too many people are overestimating Kolb and there is not enough Sanchez love.

 

[bostonfred]

I guess I really see things completely differently from some of you.

Matt Ryan, ATL - Age 24 - hit the ground running and put up good numbers. have we seen his ceiling?

Matthew Stafford, DET - Age 22 - looks like a leader and throwing to calvin on a rapidly improving team, and he'll likely be throwing inside the five as often as not.

Matt Leinart, ARI - Age 26 - has put up solid numbers and finally gets to prepare for the starting job for the entire preseason instead of competing with a HOFer. still throws to fitz

Mark Sanchez, NYJ - Age 23 - team added holmes and maybe coles at receiver and he gets another year with braylon after looking like a budidng star last year.

Joe Flacco, BAL - Age 25 - on a team built around running and defense, flacco is solid but unspectacular. will be interesting to see what he can do with boldin.

Kevin Kolb, PHI - Age 25 - the eagles clearly like him, and he looked good in the couple games he played, but we have so little data. for the first time in a long time philly has good receivers.

Vince Young, TEN - Age 26 - has put up bigger numbers than some of the guys ahead of him and has shown huge talent at times but the meltdown was scary. hard to move him to the top tier for now.

Alex Smith, SF - Age 25 - it seems like they're trying to be a run first team. play action is probably good for crabtree, but bad for smith's upside.

Sam Bradford, STL - Age 22 - you're probably going to be waiting for a while, because the talent around him is pretty thin, but he seems like a good bet long term

Josh Freeman, TB - Age 22 - has the potential to move a lot higher on this list but he doesn't seem to be as talented as bradford nor does he have the receivers that some of the others do.

Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24 - a running team that uses the wildcard at the goal line.

Tim Tebow, DEN - Age 22 - has the clearest long term path to a starting job of the rest of these guys

Colt McCoy, CLE - Age 23 - seems likely to be the Cleveland starter, but he slipped a long way in the draft for a reason

Jimmy Clausen, CAR - Age 22 - I think he's going to be their starter some day.

Matt Moore, CAR - Age 25 - Or maybe he is. It's hard to say.

Brady Quinn, DEN - Age 24 - Yes, he sucked, but he was in Cleveland. He may get to start this year on a team with a lot more talent at receiver. If he does anything with his shot, he could get traded somewhere and put up decent numbers some day.

Dennis Dixon, PIT - Age 24 - Not hard to imagine Roethlisberger screwiing up again or getting traded

Pat White, MIA - Age 23 - Potentail converstion to WR gives him some small amount of value.

Josh Johnson, TB - Age 23 - Does it get much worse than the backup QB in Tampa?

Troy Smith, BAL - Age 25 - Oh, it does. The backup QB on Baltimore.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I guess I really see things completely differently from some of you. Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24 - a running team that uses the wildcard at the goal line.

He threw the ball a lot more than you give him credit towards the end of the season, especially when you throw that bad weather game out in Pittsburgh in Week 17.They just traded for one of the best young wide receivers in the game and who knows how long they'll use the wildcat near the goaline but to use that as a reason not to like this guy IMO is a mistake. I definately like him this season in where he's going in most drafts which is a late tier QB2 guy, I have no problem with that gamble.

 

[bostonfred]

I guess I really see things completely differently from some of you. Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24 - a running team that uses the wildcard at the goal line.

He threw the ball a lot more than you give him credit towards the end of the season, especially when you throw that bad weather game out in Pittsburgh in Week 17.They just traded for one of the best young wide receivers in the game and who knows how long they'll use the wildcat near the goaline but to use that as a reason not to like this guy IMO is a mistake. I definately like him this season in where he's going in most drafts which is a late tier QB2 guy, I have no problem with that gamble.

He plays in a town whose college football team is named the hurricanes and he plays road games in Buffalo, Foxboro and New Jersey every year. Why would I throw out the bad weather game? He threw more once Ronnie Brown got hurt. That's not really a statement about him throwing more long term. Yes, they traded for a top young receiver. But the guys ahead of him are throwing to Roddy, Calvin, Fitzgerald, the mess of receivers on the Jets, Boldin, DeSean Jackson, and Crabtree. The only guys who don't meet that criteria are Vince Young (who appears more talented and a better runner than Henne), Bradford (who was a #1 overall pick this year) and Freeman (who I wouldn't mind switching with Henne, because they're not that far apart IMO, but also has some new young receivers for the long term). I might put Henne ahead of Brady for THIS year, but for dynasty, I would trade him straight up for any of the guys I have ahead of him.

 

[*****]

Miami is an offense trending toward more passing. Henne had 3 300 yd games in his last five weeks. Miami likes what they see in Henne and they invested heavily in his development as a passer with Marshall. If you think that this is going to continue to be such a run heavy offense you are looking behind, not ahead.

Comments about Henne remind me of similar comments about the early careers of Brees and Brady. When a QB proves they can put up points, running teams quickly become passing teams. Miami will be no different.

This is Henne's second year at the helm. He may not get to tak the training wheels off this year but it will happen soon.

Also, Brown (maybe) and Williams (definitely) could be gone after this year.

 

[bweiser]

At this point, I don't think it would be an upset to see Brian Brohm win the job in Buffalo.

He's still young and has some pedigree - he was a second-round pick.

Where do you rank him?

 

[EBF]

I always take it as a bad sign when a team cuts a guy they drafted. It basically says, "We don't think you can play at all." The Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm just a couple short years ago. If he had shown any signs of potential whatsoever, I think they would've found an excuse to keep him on the roster.

I'm admittedly something of a Trent Edwards apologist, but at least he has shown signs of becoming a capable NFL starter. That's more than you can say about the other guys on the roster. I think Edwards wins this job and gets one last chance to prove himself. If (when?) he fails, they'll send him to the bench, give the other bums a chance, and then draft their next QB in 2011. The Bills should have a realistic shot at the 1.01 next year considering that the other three teams in their division should steamroll them.

 

[bweiser]

I always take it as a bad sign when a team cuts a guy they drafted. It basically says, "We don't think you can play at all." The Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm just a couple short years ago. If he had shown any signs of potential whatsoever, I think they would've found an excuse to keep on the roster. I'm admittedly something of a Trent Edwards apologist, but at least he has shown signs of becoming a capable NFL starter. That's more than you can say about the other guys on the roster. I think Edwards wins this job and gets one last chance to prove himself. If (when?) he fails, they'll send him to the bench, give the other bums a chance, and then draft their next QB in 2011. The Bills should have a realistic shot at the 1.01 next year considering that the other three teams in their division should steamroll them.

well, the packers didn't cut brohm. they had him on the practice squad. that allows other teams to steal him.

 

[EBF]

I always take it as a bad sign when a team cuts a guy they drafted. It basically says, "We don't think you can play at all." The Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm just a couple short years ago. If he had shown any signs of potential whatsoever, I think they would've found an excuse to keep on the roster. I'm admittedly something of a Trent Edwards apologist, but at least he has shown signs of becoming a capable NFL starter. That's more than you can say about the other guys on the roster. I think Edwards wins this job and gets one last chance to prove himself. If (when?) he fails, they'll send him to the bench, give the other bums a chance, and then draft their next QB in 2011. The Bills should have a realistic shot at the 1.01 next year considering that the other three teams in their division should steamroll them.

well, the packers didn't cut brohm. they had him on the practice squad. that allows other teams to steal him.

Same difference, basically. They thought so little of him that they couldn't justify spending one of their 53 roster spots to lock up his services. In a league where any QB with a pulse is valuable, that speaks volumes about Green Bay's assessment of Brohm.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I imagine anyone who owns a Manning, Brady, McNabb, Favre or Hasselbeck is starting to eye the younger talent as a potential replacement down the road. Who are you targetting and why? I've included Tiering with a brief one liner about each player. I'm sure some of you have your favorite sleeper picks that I neglected to include on this list, so tell me why they need to be on here.

Tier 1

Joe Flacco, BAL - Age 25 - Two solid seasons and now has a stud WR, this should be his year to shine.

Matt Ryan, ATL - Age 24 - Seems to be a very well rounded QB at the age of 24, I see now reason he wont become and stay a top 10 QB for many years.

Kevin Kolb, PHI - Age 25 - Might be a bit of a high ranking, but the eagles have plenty of young playmakers and he did show some big time flash last season.

Tier 2

Matthew Stafford, DET - Age 22 - a #1 overall pick with a good arm. Has a young Stud WR that can go get any ball. Det added some more playmakers this year.

Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24 - Solid QB that now has a big time weapon. Main concern here is that Miami is built to run.

Vince Young, TEN - Age 26 - His rushing yards will always give him value. If Britt and Cook develop, he could have some nice options to throw to.

Sam Bradford, STL - Age 22 - Unproven, but sounded like multiple NFL franchises think he could be the guy.

Alex Smith, SF - Age 25 - I'm not ready to give up on him, SF should be a high scoring Offense this year. Although I think most will be on the ground.

Tier 3

Mark Sanchez, NYJ - Age 23 - Showed flashes, and has some big weapons. Could be great, but the ball control Offense will limit fantasy production.

Matt Leinart, ARI - Age 26 - Make or break year IMO. But with Larry Fitz, just putting the ball up for grab could be enough for leinart to get by.

Josh Freeman, TB - Age 22 - Obviously Tampa has committed to him. I'm not expecting too much for the next year or two, but this cat could be good.

Matt Moore, CAR - Age 25 - I think Moore is "ok". Steve Smith can still make a decent QB look good. The problem is that Moore is on a short leash. Clausen is probably more talented.

Tier 4

Tim Tebow, DEN - Age 22 - Worth the risk for the potential upside. I know people hate him, and while I'm not a fan, he could pan out.

Jimmy Clausen, CAR - Age 22 - Will be the Carolina starter in a couple years. Now much value right now.

Dennis Dixon, PIT - Age 24 - This is his chance to show what hes got. I think he will beat out Lefty for the starting job while Ben is gone.

Colt McCoy, CLE - Age 23 - Hard to get excited about a Cleveland QB, but he will get his shot in 2011, if not sooner.

Tier 5 AKA Grab Bag

Josh Johnson, TB - Age 23 - Was always a project QB, and I like what this kid can do. He will need to move on from Tampa to have some real value, but I think this guy will be a good QB in the NFL someday.

Troy Smith, BAL - Age 25 - Again, stuck behind a good QB. Smith has some potential. If he gets out of Baltimore, he could be on everyone's radar real quick.

Pat White, MIA - Age 23 - Might never be anything special, but a QB that can run always has value. He still has a long way to go to be relevant.

Brady Quinn, DEN - Age 24 - The potential is there, and Orton could be beat out in training camp. He might make a splash on a decent team.

I hold Sanchez and Freeman as backups behind Brees in one league, and Alex Smith behind Garrard/Cassel in another. So I guess I'm tier 2 and tier 3.

 

[Donnybrook]

I always take it as a bad sign when a team cuts a guy they drafted. It basically says, "We don't think you can play at all." The Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm just a couple short years ago. If he had shown any signs of potential whatsoever, I think they would've found an excuse to keep him on the roster. I'm admittedly something of a Trent Edwards apologist, but at least he has shown signs of becoming a capable NFL starter. That's more than you can say about the other guys on the roster. I think Edwards wins this job and gets one last chance to prove himself. If (when?) he fails, they'll send him to the bench, give the other bums a chance, and then draft their next QB in 2011. The Bills should have a realistic shot at the 1.01 next year considering that the other three teams in their division should steamroll them.

I am one of the few people that thinks Trent Edwards still has potential but it seems like most Buffalo homers have lost faith in him. It is strange that there are so many people on the Alex Smith's bandwagon and so few on Trent Edward's bandwagon.

 

[EBF]

I always take it as a bad sign when a team cuts a guy they drafted. It basically says, "We don't think you can play at all." The Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm just a couple short years ago. If he had shown any signs of potential whatsoever, I think they would've found an excuse to keep him on the roster. I'm admittedly something of a Trent Edwards apologist, but at least he has shown signs of becoming a capable NFL starter. That's more than you can say about the other guys on the roster. I think Edwards wins this job and gets one last chance to prove himself. If (when?) he fails, they'll send him to the bench, give the other bums a chance, and then draft their next QB in 2011. The Bills should have a realistic shot at the 1.01 next year considering that the other three teams in their division should steamroll them.

I am one of the few people that thinks Trent Edwards still has potential but it seems like most Buffalo homers have lost faith in him. It is strange that there are so many people on the Alex Smith's bandwagon and so few on Trent Edward's bandwagon.

Edwards definitely regressed last season, but he has shown some glimmers of competence and it's not like Buffalo has been a talent-laden powerhouse known for getting the most out of its players. It's a wasteland where talent goes to die. I kind of doubt Trent will succeed there next season, but he seems like one of those guys who could resurface on a new team as a mid-level starter in the mold of a Hasselbeck/Bulger/Pennington.

 

[LessThanZero]

I liked Edwards enough to draft him as a rookie, and was high on him when he took over for Losman. That said, I think he's been Carr'd into oblivion at this point. Per Rotoworld, just two of his 183 pass attempts were 40 yards or longer last year. He's earned the title of Captain Checkdown for a reason.

 

[cstu]

I always take it as a bad sign when a team cuts a guy they drafted. It basically says, "We don't think you can play at all." The Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm just a couple short years ago. If he had shown any signs of potential whatsoever, I think they would've found an excuse to keep on the roster. I'm admittedly something of a Trent Edwards apologist, but at least he has shown signs of becoming a capable NFL starter. That's more than you can say about the other guys on the roster. I think Edwards wins this job and gets one last chance to prove himself. If (when?) he fails, they'll send him to the bench, give the other bums a chance, and then draft their next QB in 2011. The Bills should have a realistic shot at the 1.01 next year considering that the other three teams in their division should steamroll them.

well, the packers didn't cut brohm. they had him on the practice squad. that allows other teams to steal him.

The practice squad is only slightly above being cut. Teams don't put any players there that they care to lose.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I guess I really see things completely differently from some of you. Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24 - a running team that uses the wildcard at the goal line.

He threw the ball a lot more than you give him credit towards the end of the season, especially when you throw that bad weather game out in Pittsburgh in Week 17.They just traded for one of the best young wide receivers in the game and who knows how long they'll use the wildcat near the goaline but to use that as a reason not to like this guy IMO is a mistake. I definately like him this season in where he's going in most drafts which is a late tier QB2 guy, I have no problem with that gamble.

He plays in a town whose college football team is named the hurricanes and he plays road games in Buffalo, Foxboro and New Jersey every year. Why would I throw out the bad weather game? He threw more once Ronnie Brown got hurt. That's not really a statement about him throwing more long term. Yes, they traded for a top young receiver. But the guys ahead of him are throwing to Roddy, Calvin, Fitzgerald, the mess of receivers on the Jets, Boldin, DeSean Jackson, and Crabtree. The only guys who don't meet that criteria are Vince Young (who appears more talented and a better runner than Henne), Bradford (who was a #1 overall pick this year) and Freeman (who I wouldn't mind switching with Henne, because they're not that far apart IMO, but also has some new young receivers for the long term). I might put Henne ahead of Brady for THIS year, but for dynasty, I would trade him straight up for any of the guys I have ahead of him.

I live in Detroit where Matthew Stafford plays and he plays for the Lions. I can assure you that there are no Lions actually in the area just like I'm sure there aren't hurricanes as the norm in Miami when they're playing at home.I say throw out the bad weather game versus Pittsburgh not because it doesn't count, but because it's not a true reflection on what Miami was really doing at the end of last season. I guess you could temper his statistics some due to various weather conditions the Dolphins may play in but Dan Marino racked up quite a few yards playing in Miami, so it can be done.There's a perception that Bill Parcells is just a running guy and that Miami will be a running team only. I don't believe that. I believe that Bill Parcells is a football guy. I think he/they went to the Wildcat because they believed at the time, they were outmanned in most games they entered and that running the Wildcat helped neutralize that talent gap and hoped to catch the defense unprepared.If Miami has the weapons to pass, they'll do it. They won't just run it because that's what Bill Parcells does. What will happen is they'll do whatever it takes to try and win a game, whether it's run, pass or create some offense that may throw a defense into a tizzy for awhile.Henne definately has the tools to be a solid passer in this league and with Marshall, he's got a big time player to throw the ball too for many years to come. I like him and I like where you can get him right now. At the end of this year, I expect him to move up to a low end QB 1 or very high QB2 where he'd be effective as a QB by committee guy. If he finishes anywhere outside of QB 14 and plays 16 games this year I'll be flat out wrong about him.

 

[pyite76]

my later round rookie QB who I am looking to invest in this year? (besides John Skelton):

Mike Kafka - PHI - He's got the body and arm strength to make it in the NFL, and he got drafted into a situation where he will be asked to sit and watch for at least a year (probably more), but there is some upside for him to blossom into more, since Kolb is not a sure thing in my opinion. Plus Reid's pretty good at developing QBs. Add in the fact that he's intelligent and a high character guy and I think you have a pretty decent dynasty project here.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think a great value buy this year is Josh Freeman; You can probably get him for next to nothing.Here's why I think he's worth picking up.He stepped into a dismal situation last year with Tampa Bay, with very few first team reps at all, and came out and produced.His stats were comparable to Sanchez's during the regular season, and that's with a lesser supporting cast.He's got first round pedigree, protypical size, cannon arm, and can run the football. He has excellent movement in the pocket, and is able to avoid the rush, and he's so big and strong he's difficult to take down.Tampa Bay looks to be building around him and added Benn and Williams, to go along with Stroughter and Winslow.. which gives him an excellent selection of young talent to throw to.His work ethic is phenomenal.. all off-season while everyone else was either vacationing or recovering from injuries/surgery, he was in the Buccaneers facilities with Stroughter in the film room, weight room and practice field.During the rookie mini camp, he was out there watching them, getting to know the new players.If you can grab him on the cheap do so and stash him away.

100% agree

 

[sholditch]

I guess I really see things completely differently from some of you. Chad Henne, MIA - Age 24 - a running team that uses the wildcard at the goal line.

He threw the ball a lot more than you give him credit towards the end of the season, especially when you throw that bad weather game out in Pittsburgh in Week 17.They just traded for one of the best young wide receivers in the game and who knows how long they'll use the wildcat near the goaline but to use that as a reason not to like this guy IMO is a mistake. I definately like him this season in where he's going in most drafts which is a late tier QB2 guy, I have no problem with that gamble.

He plays in a town whose college football team is named the hurricanes and he plays road games in Buffalo, Foxboro and New Jersey every year. Why would I throw out the bad weather game? He threw more once Ronnie Brown got hurt. That's not really a statement about him throwing more long term. Yes, they traded for a top young receiver. But the guys ahead of him are throwing to Roddy, Calvin, Fitzgerald, the mess of receivers on the Jets, Boldin, DeSean Jackson, and Crabtree. The only guys who don't meet that criteria are Vince Young (who appears more talented and a better runner than Henne), Bradford (who was a #1 overall pick this year) and Freeman (who I wouldn't mind switching with Henne, because they're not that far apart IMO, but also has some new young receivers for the long term). I might put Henne ahead of Brady for THIS year, but for dynasty, I would trade him straight up for any of the guys I have ahead of him.

I live in Detroit where Matthew Stafford plays and he plays for the Lions.

Can anyone else take this one? I'm too hungover.

 

[thatguy]

The young QB that I would target is Freeman. I think he has the best combination of upside and value--he won't cost you near as much as Henne, who I'm also high onl, but he has just as much upside. For how young he is, what he did last season was downright impressive.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't get why people are so high on Bradford... he'll be a project. STL s HORRIBLE. they've got next to nothing on the o-line, and very little for him to throw too. almost zero talent at WR and TE. He's going to dump it off to Sjax 10x a game. add in the fact that he took all the snaps from the shotgun in college.... he's going to take time to develop in the NFL and in fantasy. i just dont understand why he doesn't have the stigma of Tebow, Young, Alex Smith, etc. Yes he's accurate.... but he doesn't know hot to play in pro style offense. We saw how many years it took Alex Smith to develop into something respectable... that should be roughly the frame for Bradford. so go ahead and target him if you're not concerned about starting him for 3 years.

On the other hand, Stafford is the guy with WAY more upside than Ryan, Flacco, Freeman. Him and Kolb. Detroit has (one of) the best playmakers in the league at WR1, a solid guy at WR2, and weapons at TE1/2 and now RB. they play in a dome. and he's already shown he has the talent for making big plays (see 5 TDs vs. Cleveland last year). I doubt Ryan, Flacco and Freeman will ever toss 5 in a game. he played in pro-style offense in college, and showed limited flashes last year despite dealing with injuries.

the fact that he took such a beating behind that sieve of an o-line last year and still had some nice games.... he's going to be a stud once the o-line solidifies. Get him while you can, when everyone thinks that detroit will be a losing franchise forever (not that it matters for fantasy anyways....) and people have concerns about his injury history. that's where you get the discount. look at Schaub... his injury stigma still keeps his price low despite the fact that he led the league in yardage last year at 4,700. Stafford will throw for 4,000 before Ryan, Flacco, or Freeman, and probably Henne due to their conservatives offenses.

Why do people keep saying this? I think over the first half of the season last year they gave up only 14 sacks which was in the upper third of the league. Injuries mounted in the latter half and things fell apart but when healthy the line is pretty good. They had a RB that led the NFC in rushing. Their #2 overall pick last year was a LT who was injured half the season. They had to start Alex Barron at LT for most of the season because of Jason Smith being injured, but despite that they had a good half season and run blocked really well all season. Smith is now healthy, they drafted a RT that can play everything but Center with the 1st pick of the second round. The receivers suck but that could be a product of bad QB play. It remains to be seen.

The Rams have some major holes but O-Line isn't one of them if they stay healthy.