The Jacket
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The guy who put up 60 yards on 7 touches?
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theplayer11
Footballguy
right...because the guy who has 29 yards on 11 touches is such a threat.The guy who put up 60 yards on 7 touches?
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Taking Jamaal Charles off your watch list, I think is a big mistake. This kid has done nothing but dominate since he was handed the starting gig last season.Similar size as Chris Johnson, and similar numbers during the 2nd half of last year. He's averaging 7 yards per carry during the preseason, I don't think he's in CJ's class, but he is a stud in the making, imo.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Chiefs could be a solid team with a NT and if Cassel didn't suck so badly. The running game and back 7 is coming together pretty nicely. Could certainly use some more pieces but what they really need is to replace Captain Wobblelauncher.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Kolb is really 6 for 19 for 47 yards and an int...
wow. preseason or not, this could be ugly. he could look very good in practice, but you still gotta do better then this.
wow. preseason or not, this could be ugly. he could look very good in practice, but you still gotta do better then this.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Was there ever a report that said Charles is OK? Or is he just standing on the sidelines and we're assuming he's OK?
I agree, but it does look like Thomas Jones is going to get a decent size slice of the pie, and McCluster could see 4-5 carries a game, all of which will eat into Charles' touches. I like Charles a lot as a player but if he only gets 12-15 touches a game his ceiling is a bit limited.
You Kolb owners absolutely kill me! Talk about overreacting--you are taking way too much stock in a pre-season game, in which his best weapon left the game in the first quarter. Now, do I think he will go through growing pains this year? Yes. I also think he will continue to get better as the season progresses. I'm a huge fan of Reid and feel as if he will make sure the O-line is straightened out before the first game of the regular season. The bottom line for me is that some people put way too much stock in the pre-season.
ThePhillyPhanatic
Footballguy
5/5 for 56 yards this drive.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Sweet - Kolb finally looked decent against 2nd strings in the 4th quarter of a preseason game.
Misses on 3rd down, though, so still no TD all preseason. 
Machiavelli
Footballguy
is mccoy still playing or benched????
ThePhillyPhanatic
Footballguy
McCluster looks great.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Dexter mcluster looks damn good.
The Jacket
Footballguy
McCluster: 8 carries, 47 yards (including an OL breakdown which was a 4-yard loss, so 7-51 if you will).
At this point I think they just want to get him lots of work ... but it's going to be hard to not give him the ball if he keeps running like this, even with a beast like Charles in the lineup.
Jones should be an afterthought IMO (I know he won't be).
At this point I think they just want to get him lots of work ... but it's going to be hard to not give him the ball if he keeps running like this, even with a beast like Charles in the lineup.
Jones should be an afterthought IMO (I know he won't be).
I agree I mean if all we are using to determine this is preseason then IMO the Eagles have upgraded because Mcnabb has looked worse then Kolb. I know people are blaming the Oline and they should but most of the sacks are blitzes that aren't picked up I have a feeling the Mcglynn is responsible for a lot of it and it will look much better when Jackson is back at center.Bigboy10182000 said:
View from a Chiefs fan who watched the game on TV :
Chiefs running game : Charles is the man, but Jones and Dexter should allow him to stay healthy/fresh throughout the season. In reality, you probably don't want Charles touches at 30 a game. The guy is explosive....give him 20-25 touches and at least 3 of them will either go for long distance or be within inches of it. Dexter has gotten time in the backfield as a straight RB, but it's with the 2s and 3s. When the 1s are on the field, Dexter is primarily a slot receiver that moves around a lot.
Chiefs passing game : Jury still out on Cassel. As a backup fine, but don't depend on him to help you very often. Bowe looks very good physically. He has his burst back (clearly trimmer this season), but still a load to bring down. He's caught virtually every ball his way as well.
Chiefs D/ST : They could be a sneaky matchup play this year. With a solid secondary, blitzing LBs and Arenas/McCluster returning kicks, they'll score some points.
As for the Eagles, I was surprised at how poor they looked in the passing game. The Chiefs are mediocre from a pass rushing standpoint, but they got to Kolb repeatedly. He didn't handle it well either IMO.
Chiefs running game : Charles is the man, but Jones and Dexter should allow him to stay healthy/fresh throughout the season. In reality, you probably don't want Charles touches at 30 a game. The guy is explosive....give him 20-25 touches and at least 3 of them will either go for long distance or be within inches of it. Dexter has gotten time in the backfield as a straight RB, but it's with the 2s and 3s. When the 1s are on the field, Dexter is primarily a slot receiver that moves around a lot.
Chiefs passing game : Jury still out on Cassel. As a backup fine, but don't depend on him to help you very often. Bowe looks very good physically. He has his burst back (clearly trimmer this season), but still a load to bring down. He's caught virtually every ball his way as well.
Chiefs D/ST : They could be a sneaky matchup play this year. With a solid secondary, blitzing LBs and Arenas/McCluster returning kicks, they'll score some points.
As for the Eagles, I was surprised at how poor they looked in the passing game. The Chiefs are mediocre from a pass rushing standpoint, but they got to Kolb repeatedly. He didn't handle it well either IMO.
Traditional running back, but mostly with the 2s. He did get some totes with the 1s with Charles on the bench in the 2nd half.
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
I waited on QB in my main league draft...grabbed Kolb in the 10th, damn glad I grabbed VY in the 12th. I hope tonight wasn't an indication of things to come....Routilla said:
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
Reid shows nothing in preseason. Eagles something like 2-10 last 4 years ATS.
Maybe, but they ran Vick, they ran hurry up, they threw deep, they ran wildcat, etc. No team shows everything, but it wasn't like they didn't look to mix things up a bit.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
Wasn't saying they just run it into the line.
Moobin Steadily
Footballguy
What's the word on the KC guy who got hurt?
PahtyTom
Footballguy
demorrio williams said after the game that the players were told that he has movement but haley said nothing official
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
It may be overreacting to a degree, but preseason is very important for an unproven QB and there has to be some concern.FGITLOTR said:
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The line has been terrible this preseason. There are serious problems at center that won't be fixed until Jamaal Jackson comes back, and we don't know when that will be. Herremans, the LG, just returned yesterday. Jason Peters is seriously lacking focus. Things should get better but it may be rough going in the early part of the season.T.Rex said:
Gopher State
Footballguy
No update on Charles, I heard rumors shoulder?? You have to bump Thomas Jones up even more now.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
I've been worried about Kolb since I saw the first pre-season game. He can make plays, but if you noticed every good play came when he was running for his life outside of the pocket, throwing the ball while falling backwards (like Kerry Collins). I admit he has pretty good accuracy throwing in situations like that - but its very far from ideal. It seems that he rarely has the time to pass from the pocket. I dunno, I just would like to see more plays work as designed, as opposed to the majority of his yardage coming after the play has broken down and the receivers are breaking off routes and just getting open by running around finding windows while Kolb scrambles around.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
Even more than what? lolIf Charles is hurt (and it seems that he really is based on the few reports I found), then of course Charles needs to be bumped down. But bumping up Jones is risky. He's an average player who is old and playing for a bad team. At best he will average 4 ypc on 250 carries. Sure that's a valuable ceiling to someone, but not me.If anyone deserves a closer look, its McCluster.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
i've been watching the re air on nfln. Charles is fine. i spotted him on the sidelines several times joking and with nothing(ice/splint/holding his arm) on his arm. and the fact he still had his pads on and his standing so close to the coaches at times makes me think he wanted to go back in but the coaches were just being cautious. the injury did not look serious to me at all as some have posted. it literally looked like he was hit or came down on his funny bone and he had a burner or numbness for a bit. if anyone wants to verify the clearest scene was just after thomas jones scores his TD, TJ makes his way to the bench and Charles follows him and sits down next to him and talks to him. there is nothing on his shoulder/arm/wrist and he's not holding it.the biggest concern out of this game fantasy wise is who the real returner will be or if arenas/mcCluster will platoon.............they are both electricthat and Cassell leaves so much to be desired
The Jacket
Footballguy
I thought Arenas was the no-brainer returner, and he has looked the part on KRs (a 45-yarder, a 50-yarder and a 99-yard TD called back in 3 weeks of action), but McCluster looked very explosive himself and, despite the work he'll get on offense, might get some looks back there. Especially in 2nd halfs if the Chiefs trail and Arenas hasn't done much in the game.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Cassell looks like Scott Mitchell Part 2.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Thanks for posting... seemed odd that there wasn't any news on it.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
McCluster may be a tough SOB, but getting jacked like that in two preseason games makes me nervous for the guy. It looked like he was hit by car and went airborne. It was impressive to see Dexter pop up like no big deal. That had to be one of the biggest hits I've ever seen Asante Samuel get.
I'm not sure y'all were even watching the same game I was!!!!????
First of all...Ried is more vanilla in pre-season then most coaches, so take everything with a grain of salt. One look at Philly's pre-season record under his tenure bares this out.
McCoy looked good in limited action. I am beginning to suspect that he really is much improved from last year, and the Eagles are protecting him while evaluating a fairly unproven depth chart.
The O-line pass blocked OK in the first two games against teams not bringing much pressure, but didn't run block worth a darn. The Chiefs attacked them differantly, consistantly bringing 5 or 6 players, sometimes 7, including overloading one (usually the Eagles right) side. Oddly...REID NEVER ADJUSTED TO IT. No max protect, no screens (other then one bubble screen to a WR). I didn't even see any 2 TE sets which would have helped protection. The offensive play calling would NOT be the same in the regular season.
SO...the O-line did a better job in run blocking, which was good to see, but looked bad in pass protection...which was just as much play calling as line play. As a result, Kolb got pummeled and looked a bit inconsistant. Except for the one Interception though, Kolb generally made good decisions with the ball. Those dumping on Kolb right now are being premature and reactionary. The line did allow a sack on a rare 3 man rush in the late third quarter though...so it's fair to say the jury is still out on the Eagles O-line.
The Eagles Defense looked generally good. They mixed in a couple of blitzes this game, but not many. The starters dominated much of the first half.
KC looked good on defense, but it was painfully obvious that they gameplanned far more then the Eagles, and brought heavy pressure consistantly. While it certainly appears an upgraded unit over last year, they won't find pressure so easy to come by most weeks.
Bowe looks primed for a big year. Cassel looked his way early and often, and he delivered (at least, after the first quarter). Charles started, but took a while to get on track. His talent was obvious though. They moved McCluster around a lot, but folks should know that most of McCluster's RB carries came later in the game against second string defenders. It's obvious they plan to heavily utilize the multi-faceted talent, but I wouldn't expect that many carries most weeks...dude looks like a midget out there.
First of all...Ried is more vanilla in pre-season then most coaches, so take everything with a grain of salt. One look at Philly's pre-season record under his tenure bares this out.
McCoy looked good in limited action. I am beginning to suspect that he really is much improved from last year, and the Eagles are protecting him while evaluating a fairly unproven depth chart.
The O-line pass blocked OK in the first two games against teams not bringing much pressure, but didn't run block worth a darn. The Chiefs attacked them differantly, consistantly bringing 5 or 6 players, sometimes 7, including overloading one (usually the Eagles right) side. Oddly...REID NEVER ADJUSTED TO IT. No max protect, no screens (other then one bubble screen to a WR). I didn't even see any 2 TE sets which would have helped protection. The offensive play calling would NOT be the same in the regular season.
SO...the O-line did a better job in run blocking, which was good to see, but looked bad in pass protection...which was just as much play calling as line play. As a result, Kolb got pummeled and looked a bit inconsistant. Except for the one Interception though, Kolb generally made good decisions with the ball. Those dumping on Kolb right now are being premature and reactionary. The line did allow a sack on a rare 3 man rush in the late third quarter though...so it's fair to say the jury is still out on the Eagles O-line.
The Eagles Defense looked generally good. They mixed in a couple of blitzes this game, but not many. The starters dominated much of the first half.
KC looked good on defense, but it was painfully obvious that they gameplanned far more then the Eagles, and brought heavy pressure consistantly. While it certainly appears an upgraded unit over last year, they won't find pressure so easy to come by most weeks.
Bowe looks primed for a big year. Cassel looked his way early and often, and he delivered (at least, after the first quarter). Charles started, but took a while to get on track. His talent was obvious though. They moved McCluster around a lot, but folks should know that most of McCluster's RB carries came later in the game against second string defenders. It's obvious they plan to heavily utilize the multi-faceted talent, but I wouldn't expect that many carries most weeks...dude looks like a midget out there.
I have a hard time believing the Eagles wouldn't adjust their protection if their QB continues to get hit. The o-line just got beat repeatedly. The Chiefs run a 34 D, so yeah, the LBs blitzed. That's what they do, not sure it was so much game planning as it was doing what they'll do every game in the regular season.I'm sure Kolb will be fine....Reid knows what he's doing.
I had assumed Arenas as well but NFL.com has McCluster with a 37 yard KO return average. That's beastly. Of course Arenas is averaging 29 yards and has a bigger sample size.
Watch the replays carefully. On at least two of those sacks, and many of the pressures, every lineman was already matched up 1 on 1 with a defender and there was NOBODY left to take the man hitting Kolb. Not fair to blame the line when that happens.
The Jacket
Footballguy
McCoy looks so average. His only hope is getting a bunch of work, which won't happen. . The 18-yarder was a gimme if ever there was one. I didn't see many heavy blitzes. In fact, they got there a couple times on very standard delayed blitzes, which made the Philly offense look lost. That's not about gameplanning - you can't gameplan for a delayed blitz - it's about having smart players. I was surprised at the continued struggles their front had with it. The RBs need to step up and put a shoulder on someone. I laughed when Williams got his 2nd sack on the exact same play. If you think teams purposely don't adjust to something like that because it's preseason, you're mistaken. A sack like that could've well knocked Kolb out for the year. Philly's backs and overall protection packages will have to be a lot better in the regular season.
The KC D didn't gameplan much at all. You'd hope so given how they handled the Eagles with relative ease, despite the fact that they'll probably suck in the regular season. They were playing soft zone coverage and didn't vary the blitz packages much at all. It was pretty standard 3 man fronts with Hali off the edge and the occassional ILB delay blitz. On 3rd downs they have a package with Gilberry and Dorsey in the dirt and Hali/Studebaker on the edges.
I expect Green Bay to attack Philly with some delayed and inside blitzes. Peters is very overrated but, worse, that interior OL is just awful. After the Packers put up 14 on the Birds in the first 10 minutes, it could get ugly for Kolb trying to catch up.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
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delusional
Footballguy
yea but after your 3rd preseason game, you don't want your Oline looking as bad as the Eagles O line did.
Watch the blitzes again. When every lineman is engaged with a rusher, all one on one....you can't blame the line when another rusher comes free on the edge...which is exactly where the majority of the pressure came from. It was a scheme/play calling issue, not a blocking issue. I counted 6 or 7 rushers on MOST pass plays, yet the Eagles never had more then 6 guys blocking, and usually only 5.I'm still concerned about the O-line play...don't misunderstand me...I'm just pointing out that with those schemes and play calling the line never had a chance. Watching the one on one blocking (I have it TVO'd), the line didn't perform nearly as horribly as it appeared on first glance.McCoy looks so average. His only hope is getting a bunch of work, which won't happen. . The 18-yarder was a gimme if ever there was one. I didn't see many heavy blitzes. In fact, they got there a couple times on very standard delayed blitzes, which made the Philly offense look lost. That's not about gameplanning - you can't gameplan for a delayed blitz - it's about having smart players. I was surprised at the continued struggles their front had with it. The RBs need to step up and put a shoulder on someone. I laughed when Williams got his 2nd sack on the exact same play. If you think teams purposely don't adjust to something like that because it's preseason, you're mistaken. A sack like that could've well knocked Kolb out for the year. Philly's backs and overall protection packages will have to be a lot better in the regular season.
The KC D didn't gameplan much at all. You'd hope so given how they handled the Eagles with relative ease, despite the fact that they'll probably suck in the regular season. They were playing soft zone coverage and didn't vary the blitz packages much at all. It was pretty standard 3 man fronts with Hali off the edge and the occassional ILB delay blitz. On 3rd downs they have a package with Gilberry and Dorsey in the dirt and Hali/Studebaker on the edges.
I expect Green Bay to attack Philly with some delayed and inside blitzes. Peters is very overrated but, worse, that interior OL is just awful. After the Packers put up 14 on the Birds in the first 10 minutes, it could get ugly for Kolb trying to catch up.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
great posts rene. why do you think kolb was so slow to catch on to the free rusher that seemed to keep coming through? maybe reid was just testing him to see if he was smart enough to react properly?
are these just growing pains?
are these just growing pains?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
As I said in another thread, its not like anything we're seeing in the games is different than camp. All camp long center has been a huge issue and Kolb has made bad decisions. This idea that we should discount the entirety of the last six weeks mystifies me.
