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[PhantomJB]

1. Haven't heard that McCoy is out indefinitely. What's the usual time table for broken ribs?2. Lynch is a major upgrade over Mike Bell3. Eagles are still playing in a division that is up for grabs4. I was going to post a "Lynch to Philly?" thread but decided not to...and yet here we are

Lynch is an upgrade over McCoy too.

The same Lynch who lost his starting job in Buffalo to an undrafted journeyman ?

Who then won it back from the first RB drafted...

 

[thayman]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

why dont they? literally nothing to lose

Because draft picks are valued very highly in the NFL.

 

[MIMN]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

why dont they? literally nothing to lose

Why would they without something to GAIN? It is a great point to recognize that Buffalo is not obligated to trade away a starting RB to the Pack, the Eagles or anyone else. The Pack and the Eagles are in the situation they are in because they valued the RB position less than other positions. Runningbacks getting hurt is not a new thing. It happens every year.Why doesn't GB just trade Rodgers to Buffalo? Because it doesn't make any sense. Buffalo needs to use its scant resources to the best of its ability. Giving them away for peanuts makes not sense for them.Green Bay and Philly are in the position they are in because of the decisions they have made. It is nobody else's obligation to get them out of it.

 

[N Zone]

1. Haven't heard that McCoy is out indefinitely. What's the usual time table for broken ribs?2. Lynch is a major upgrade over Mike Bell3. Eagles are still playing in a division that is up for grabs4. I was going to post a "Lynch to Philly?" thread but decided not to...and yet here we are

Lynch is an upgrade over McCoy too.

The same Lynch who lost his starting job in Buffalo to an undrafted journeyman ?

Lynch was out at the start of last season due to off field issues. Fred Jackson has never played for a team other than the Buffalo Bills. Get your facts straight. Oh, and Lynch is the starter in Buffalo today.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

why dont they? literally nothing to lose

Why would they without something to GAIN? It is a great point to recognize that Buffalo is not obligated to trade away a starting RB to the Pack, the Eagles or anyone else. The Pack and the Eagles are in the situation they are in because they valued the RB position less than other positions. Runningbacks getting hurt is not a new thing. It happens every year.Why doesn't GB just trade Rodgers to Buffalo? Because it doesn't make any sense. Buffalo needs to use its scant resources to the best of its ability. Giving them away for peanuts makes not sense for them.Green Bay and Philly are in the position they are in because of the decisions they have made. It is nobody else's obligation to get them out of it.

voice of reason

 

[cvnpoka]

this is exactly what the Bills have been holding out for: another suitor. Could be some logic to their stonewalling of the Packers' request.Play off the Eagles against the Packers.I think a deal will be going down.

Not to mention, I think Philly is a wiser organization that would realize a 3rd round pick for a pro-bowl caliber player (albeit RB) is a good deal.

3rd rounder for lynch is a horrible deal for philly. and lynch is not a pro bowl caliber player anyway.

 

[GoBirds]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

why dont they? literally nothing to lose

Because draft picks are valued very highly in the NFL.

Except in DC.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

1. Haven't heard that McCoy is out indefinitely. What's the usual time table for broken ribs?2. Lynch is a major upgrade over Mike Bell3. Eagles are still playing in a division that is up for grabs4. I was going to post a "Lynch to Philly?" thread but decided not to...and yet here we are

Lynch is an upgrade over McCoy too.

The same Lynch who lost his starting job in Buffalo to an undrafted journeyman ?

Lynch was out at the start of last season due to off field issues. Fred Jackson has never played for a team other than the Buffalo Bills. Get your facts straight. Oh, and Lynch is the starter in Buffalo today.

And he's looking good, doesn't he ?

 

[N Zone]

1. Haven't heard that McCoy is out indefinitely. What's the usual time table for broken ribs?2. Lynch is a major upgrade over Mike Bell3. Eagles are still playing in a division that is up for grabs4. I was going to post a "Lynch to Philly?" thread but decided not to...and yet here we are

Lynch is an upgrade over McCoy too.

The same Lynch who lost his starting job in Buffalo to an undrafted journeyman ?

Lynch was out at the start of last season due to off field issues. Fred Jackson has never played for a team other than the Buffalo Bills. Get your facts straight. Oh, and Lynch is the starter in Buffalo today.

And he's looking good, doesn't he ?

He does look good, yea...if you know how to analyze a running back, which obviously you do not.

 

[gehazi]

1. Haven't heard that McCoy is out indefinitely. What's the usual time table for broken ribs?2. Lynch is a major upgrade over Mike Bell3. Eagles are still playing in a division that is up for grabs4. I was going to post a "Lynch to Philly?" thread but decided not to...and yet here we are

Lynch is an upgrade over McCoy too.

Not a chance. Not in that offense. Lynch has disappointed. Buffalo wouldn't have drafted Spiller if they thought much of Lynch.

1. I don't think the Bills expected they would still have Lynch after the draft. I think, as reported, they tried to trade him. So it was not entirely about Spiller. 2. You realize you're using what the Bills management thinks of a player as in indication of how good or talented they are? If you haven't noticed, the Bills management has only been outdone in completely sucking by the Lions. I am sorry but I'm not a huge believer in McCoy. He just runs soft. And at this point, he has not done that much.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

Sorry, but I just don't have a ton of faith in McCoy. I am sorry but I'm not a huge believer in McCoy. He just runs soft. And at this point, he has not done that much.

Marshawn "lazy bum" Lynch hasn't done a zip since 2008 but McCoy is the one who has not done muchLMAO

 

[scott72]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

The joke will be on the Packers if that atrocious running game continues for them.

3-1..Color me not worried..

 

[King of the Jungle]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

The joke will be on the Packers if that atrocious running game continues for them.

3-1..Color me not worried..

Packers 28 Detroit 26. Nothing to worry about?

 

[scott72]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

No I don't expect them to just hand him over, but he's doing nothing for the Bills and they clearly need the picks, so why try and get a king's ransom when they could get a quality 3rd maybe even a 2nd. Teams are just going to let the Bills be stuck with the guy and if gets hurt they get nothing. Stupid move on their part.

 

[scott72]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

why dont they? literally nothing to lose

Why would they without something to GAIN? It is a great point to recognize that Buffalo is not obligated to trade away a starting RB to the Pack, the Eagles or anyone else. The Pack and the Eagles are in the situation they are in because they valued the RB position less than other positions. Runningbacks getting hurt is not a new thing. It happens every year.Why doesn't GB just trade Rodgers to Buffalo? Because it doesn't make any sense. Buffalo needs to use its scant resources to the best of its ability. Giving them away for peanuts makes not sense for them.Green Bay and Philly are in the position they are in because of the decisions they have made. It is nobody else's obligation to get them out of it.

you make no sense. You act like the Eagles and Packers are asking to get Lynch for a bag of footballs or something. A 2nd or 3rd rounder is MORE than fair for someone like Lynch. And further more, no one ever said the Bills are OBLIGATED to bail the Packers or Eagles out. If they want to keep Lynch so be it. Life goes on and so will our seasons..

 

[scott72]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

The joke will be on the Packers if that atrocious running game continues for them.

3-1..Color me not worried..

Packers 28 Detroit 26. Nothing to worry about?

Have you watched Detroit at all this year? They're not the same bums from years past.

 

[Please See Mine]

The Eagles should also inquire about Slaton since he may be available on the cheap and is a similar type of player that McCoy is.

as long as Slaton won't fumble. Because this won't go over well in Philly.

where would it go over well?

 

[CaptainHook]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

Well, do you expect teams that suck to just hand over RBs for next to nothing, just to help out a team that is suddenly in need of a RB? The fact that teams like GB and Philly suddenly need a RB means their desperation means a team like the Bills, who have an abundance of wealth at the RB position, can afford to ask for a lot. This isn't MLB where a bad team just hands over a player who can make a contender THE team to beat for a few minor leaguers, ya know.

why dont they? literally nothing to lose

Why would they without something to GAIN? It is a great point to recognize that Buffalo is not obligated to trade away a starting RB to the Pack, the Eagles or anyone else. The Pack and the Eagles are in the situation they are in because they valued the RB position less than other positions. Runningbacks getting hurt is not a new thing. It happens every year.Why doesn't GB just trade Rodgers to Buffalo? Because it doesn't make any sense. Buffalo needs to use its scant resources to the best of its ability. Giving them away for peanuts makes not sense for them.Green Bay and Philly are in the position they are in because of the decisions they have made. It is nobody else's obligation to get them out of it.

they would gain a draft pick or two...lol. sorry to burst your bubble because you seemed to really enjoy insulting the eagles and packers but RBs are CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL. use its scant resources to the best of its ability...in what way is letting their #9 pick rot on the bench and losing out on valuable draft picks using their resources to the best of their ability

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/opinions/blogs/...o-get-done.html

The Bills and Eagles spoke during the day today, but a league source said nothing came of the talks and said it was actually the Bills that initiated the conversation between the two teams.

The Bills are believed to be looking for a third-round pick in exchange for Lynch, and the Eagles wouldn't be willing to give up anything close to a three for the 24-year-old running back

 

[MIMN]

they would gain a draft pick or two...lol. sorry to burst your bubble because you seemed to really enjoy insulting the eagles and packers but RBs are CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL. use its scant resources to the best of its ability...in what way is letting their #9 pick rot on the bench and losing out on valuable draft picks using their resources to the best of their ability

Running backs are "cheap and plentiful." Why would the Packers or Eagles need one of the Bills'? They can get a stud RB any day of the week. No need to even give up a draft pick. Just sign one of the millions on the street and let the Bills wallow in their ineptitude.Answer: The only reason the teams are talking to the Bills is because those team believe that the RB they can get from the Bills is superior to anything they can get off the street.

 

[Pipes]

Smart move by the eagles. If the price is right, there is no reason not to upgrade from Mike Bell. Bell looks terrible out there. Although I hope this doesn't mean the McCoy injury is worse than we think it is right now...

The price won't be right. They wanted a 3rd and a starting player from the Packers..What a joke..

The joke will be on the Packers if that atrocious running game continues for them.

3-1..Color me not worried..

Packers 28 Detroit 26. Nothing to worry about?

And the Saints struggled to beat a winless Carolina team at home, The Falcons needed be bailed out by stupidity to beat a winless 49er team at home, The Bears were pounded by a mediocre Giants team, Two of the preseason favorites (Vikes and Cowboys) are 1-2 and looking very mediocre. No one in the NFC is playing great football right now so as a Packer fan I'm not really worried.

Don't get me wrong I do believe they need to add another RB at some point this season but they don't need to panic either. It's not like the Packers are getting left in the dust by anyone in the NFC.

 

[packersfan]

Don't get me wrong I do believe they need to add another RB at some point this season but they don't need to panic either. It's not like the Packers are getting left in the dust by anyone in the NFC.

True, but as a Packers fan the fact this team can't run the ball at all and got lit up by Shaun Hill doesn't lead me to feeling very confident about its ability to make a strong Super Bowl run. Chances are, they'll need to run the football at some point and chances are they're going to face better QBs than Shaun Hill in the playoffs.

 

[JD8p]

McCoy is day to day...it would not surprise me if he plays on Sunday.

 

[CaptainHook]

they would gain a draft pick or two...lol. sorry to burst your bubble because you seemed to really enjoy insulting the eagles and packers but RBs are CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL. use its scant resources to the best of its ability...in what way is letting their #9 pick rot on the bench and losing out on valuable draft picks using their resources to the best of their ability

Running backs are "cheap and plentiful." Why would the Packers or Eagles need one of the Bills'? They can get a stud RB any day of the week. No need to even give up a draft pick. Just sign one of the millions on the street and let the Bills wallow in their ineptitude.Answer: The only reason the teams are talking to the Bills is because those team believe that the RB they can get from the Bills is superior to anything they can get off the street.

they are talking to the bills because they can probably get a good one for cheap. and if the bills werent ######ed theyd make the deal for anything they could possibly get

 

[MIMN]

they would gain a draft pick or two...lol. sorry to burst your bubble because you seemed to really enjoy insulting the eagles and packers but RBs are CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL. use its scant resources to the best of its ability...in what way is letting their #9 pick rot on the bench and losing out on valuable draft picks using their resources to the best of their ability

Running backs are "cheap and plentiful." Why would the Packers or Eagles need one of the Bills'? They can get a stud RB any day of the week. No need to even give up a draft pick. Just sign one of the millions on the street and let the Bills wallow in their ineptitude.Answer: The only reason the teams are talking to the Bills is because those team believe that the RB they can get from the Bills is superior to anything they can get off the street.

they are talking to the bills because they can probably get a good one for cheap. and if the bills werent ######ed theyd make the deal for anything they could possibly get

But they are cheap and plentiful (according to you). No need to even discuss with the Bills. Just pick up one of the plentiful starting RBs that can be had for cheap. Cheap would mean no need to give up ANY draft picks. Just offer the league minimum to one of the plentiful starting RB quality players sitting around. If the Bills are being difficult just take the next RB waiting in line that has the talent to help take them to the Super Bowl. They are plentiful, right? Make that "CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL." Just grab one out the the crowd.The bottom line is that they aren't as cheap and plentiful as you say they are or else there wouldn't an issue. When multiple teams get in a bind because of injuries, the value of those resources goes up. The question is, how much are the teams willing to pay and how willing to trade is Buffalo?

 

[CaptainHook]

lol. your definition of cheap is league minimum and a free agent. we're done here.

(Note: the redskins actualy DID just get a guy from there for the record)

 

[pack66]

You're all talking as if Packers football was all about running. The Packers have never really been about running the football. Running has always been used to set up the pass. Holmgren did it, even with Levens and McCarthy has done it the past few years. They can still do that while platooning Kuhn/Jackson.

Would Lynch be better? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, in season player trades rarely get done. And as for draft picks, Randy Moss was sent to the Patriots for a 4th. I think Lynch for a 3rd or 4th reasonable. I just don't think the Bills want to trade him.

Would I like the Pack to get Lynch? Sure. Will it happen? Probably not. One thing as an aside, whatever happens with the Pack, the RB who plays for them *must* be a good pass blocker, because the franchise is Aaron Rodgers. No RB will start for the Packers w/o decent pass blocking skills.

 

[BallparkFrank]

The same paper that broke this yesterday is already saying Lynch to Philly talks are dead and that it was actually Buffalo that made contact with the Eagles. That seems to contradict everything that Schefter ever tweets about this saying that the Bills have no interest in trading Lynch. Shocker!

It appears that Pro Bowl running back Marshawn Lynch won't be coming to the Eagles.

Lynch, who has fallen out of favor with the Bills after 1,000-yard seasons in 2007 and 2008, is on the trading block, and the Eagles are taking a look at available running backs, with LeSean McCoy having suffered a broken rib during the Eagles' 17-12 loss to the Redskins Sunday.

McCoy is having a Pro Bowl year, with 445 net yards of offense through four games - fourth-most in the NFC and seventh-most in the NFL. Head coach Andy Reid didn't rule him out for the Eagles' game at San Francisco Sunday, but it's possible McCoy could be out for a bit.

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The Bills and Eagles spoke during the day today, but a league source said nothing came of the talks and said it was actually the Bills that initiated the conversation between the two teams.

The Bills are believed to be looking for a third-round pick in exchange for Lynch, and the Eagles wouldn't be willing to give up anything close to a three for the 24-year-old running back, who was DeSean Jackson's teammate at Cal.

As of now, the Eagles have only Mike Bell (1.7 average on 12 carries), Eldra Buckley (critical fumble on his only touch of the year) and undrafted rookie Joique Bell (has never played in an NFL game) behind McCoy.

October 04, 2010 09:05 PM

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[kface]

You're all talking as if Packers football was all about running. The Packers have never really been about running the football. Running has always been used to set up the pass. Holmgren did it, even with Levens and McCarthy has done it the past few years. They can still do that while platooning Kuhn/Jackson. Would Lynch be better? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, in season player trades rarely get done. And as for draft picks, Randy Moss was sent to the Patriots for a 4th. I think Lynch for a 3rd or 4th reasonable. I just don't think the Bills want to trade him.Would I like the Pack to get Lynch? Sure. Will it happen? Probably not. One thing as an aside, whatever happens with the Pack, the RB who plays for them *must* be a good pass blocker, because the franchise is Aaron Rodgers. No RB will start for the Packers w/o decent pass blocking skills.

If thompson doesn't make this deal his head needs to roll...this is the year for the pack. They have a great team with a superbowl chance. But they need at least the guise of a rushing threat in the backfield. He's the missing piece (or someone else for that matter) in the pack's championship run. I come from a packer family and everyone is really angry with thompson at this point after watching how crappy the current stable of rb's is and barely beating detroit.

 

[CaptainHook]

they would gain a draft pick or two...lol. sorry to burst your bubble because you seemed to really enjoy insulting the eagles and packers but RBs are CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL. use its scant resources to the best of its ability...in what way is letting their #9 pick rot on the bench and losing out on valuable draft picks using their resources to the best of their ability

Running backs are "cheap and plentiful." Why would the Packers or Eagles need one of the Bills'? They can get a stud RB any day of the week. No need to even give up a draft pick. Just sign one of the millions on the street and let the Bills wallow in their ineptitude.Answer: The only reason the teams are talking to the Bills is because those team believe that the RB they can get from the Bills is superior to anything they can get off the street.

Haha boy do you look silly. the bills actually ARE trying to dump him for whatever they can get. and other teams dont care at all because of how CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL rbs are.

 

[basher]

You're all talking as if Packers football was all about running. The Packers have never really been about running the football. Running has always been used to set up the pass. Holmgren did it, even with Levens and McCarthy has done it the past few years. They can still do that while platooning Kuhn/Jackson. Would Lynch be better? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, in season player trades rarely get done. And as for draft picks, Randy Moss was sent to the Patriots for a 4th. I think Lynch for a 3rd or 4th reasonable. I just don't think the Bills want to trade him.Would I like the Pack to get Lynch? Sure. Will it happen? Probably not. One thing as an aside, whatever happens with the Pack, the RB who plays for them *must* be a good pass blocker, because the franchise is Aaron Rodgers. No RB will start for the Packers w/o decent pass blocking skills.

If thompson doesn't make this deal his head needs to roll...this is the year for the pack. They have a great team with a superbowl chance. But they need at least the guise of a rushing threat in the backfield. He's the missing piece (or someone else for that matter) in the pack's championship run. I come from a packer family and everyone is really angry with thompson at this point after watching how crappy the current stable of rb's is and barely beating detroit.

the running game hasn't been the problem for the Packers. Poor turnovers and a defense that hasn't been able to make stops due to no depth and injuries are a far bigger factor right now then the running game.

 

[kface]

You're all talking as if Packers football was all about running. The Packers have never really been about running the football. Running has always been used to set up the pass. Holmgren did it, even with Levens and McCarthy has done it the past few years. They can still do that while platooning Kuhn/Jackson. Would Lynch be better? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, in season player trades rarely get done. And as for draft picks, Randy Moss was sent to the Patriots for a 4th. I think Lynch for a 3rd or 4th reasonable. I just don't think the Bills want to trade him.Would I like the Pack to get Lynch? Sure. Will it happen? Probably not. One thing as an aside, whatever happens with the Pack, the RB who plays for them *must* be a good pass blocker, because the franchise is Aaron Rodgers. No RB will start for the Packers w/o decent pass blocking skills.

If thompson doesn't make this deal his head needs to roll...this is the year for the pack. They have a great team with a superbowl chance. But they need at least the guise of a rushing threat in the backfield. He's the missing piece (or someone else for that matter) in the pack's championship run. I come from a packer family and everyone is really angry with thompson at this point after watching how crappy the current stable of rb's is and barely beating detroit.

the running game hasn't been the problem for the Packers. Poor turnovers and a defense that hasn't been able to make stops due to no depth and injuries are a far bigger factor right now then the running game.

That's a simple analysis though...passing leads to the D being on the field more often which hurts the pack. we can't sustain long grinding drives right now. As well, detroit kept 6-7 guys in the box that whole game which makes it so much harder to throw the ball. We need the threat of a rb to keep teams honest and open the passing game. Our running game right now is the worst in the league...it can be stopped with 6 guys in the box.

 

[qimqam]

You're all talking as if Packers football was all about running. The Packers have never really been about running the football. Running has always been used to set up the pass. Holmgren did it, even with Levens and McCarthy has done it the past few years. They can still do that while platooning Kuhn/Jackson.

Would Lynch be better? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, in season player trades rarely get done. And as for draft picks, Randy Moss was sent to the Patriots for a 4th. I think Lynch for a 3rd or 4th reasonable. I just don't think the Bills want to trade him.

Would I like the Pack to get Lynch? Sure. Will it happen? Probably not. One thing as an aside, whatever happens with the Pack, the RB who plays for them *must* be a good pass blocker, because the franchise is Aaron Rodgers. No RB will start for the Packers w/o decent pass blocking skills.

If thompson doesn't make this deal his head needs to roll...this is the year for the pack. They have a great team with a superbowl chance. But they need at least the guise of a rushing threat in the backfield. He's the missing piece (or someone else for that matter) in the pack's championship run. I come from a packer family and everyone is really angry with thompson at this point after watching how crappy the current stable of rb's is and barely beating detroit.

the running game hasn't been the problem for the Packers. Poor turnovers and a defense that hasn't been able to make stops due to no depth and injuries are a far bigger factor right now then the running game.

That's a simple analysis though...passing leads to the D being on the field more often which hurts the pack. we can't sustain long grinding drives right now. As well, detroit kept 6-7 guys in the box that whole game which makes it so much harder to throw the ball. We need the threat of a rb to keep teams honest and open the passing game. Our running game right now is the worst in the league...it can be stopped with 6 guys in the box.

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

 

[basher]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc... It is becoming a throw first league and hopefully enough of a run game to keep teams honest. The packers aren't even close to the worst statistical running offense in teh NFL right now and won't finish as the worst either. The ONLY reason they struggled against detroit was 3 consecutive turnovers basically giving detroit the football the entire second half ... 2x giving detroit field position inside the 50. The "keep your franchise QB healthy" line is a HUGE stretch. Your "simple formula" runs out of gas come playoff time (if you want an example of that check out the Indy/NYJ game from last seasons playoffs) ohh and ask the vikings how much running the ball cuts down on turnovers. I will admit that having Lynch would be nice ... but they could use depth on the d-line far, far more. The Packers have spent almost all season in their nickel/dime packages w/ 2 down lineman ... the 2 down lineman isn't by choice ... it is because they only have 3 adequate players on the roster. In goalline stands (like the one they stuffed the lions on this weekend) they needed to bring in reserve offensive lineman to play D. Also, Kuhn was effective enough on sunday especially on the last drive where he saw 8 man fronts the entire time.

 

[kface]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc... It is becoming a throw first league and hopefully enough of a run game to keep teams honest. The packers aren't even close to the worst statistical running offense in teh NFL right now and won't finish as the worst either. The ONLY reason they struggled against detroit was 3 consecutive turnovers basically giving detroit the football the entire second half ... 2x giving detroit field position inside the 50. The "keep your franchise QB healthy" line is a HUGE stretch. Your "simple formula" runs out of gas come playoff time (if you want an example of that check out the Indy/NYJ game from last seasons playoffs) ohh and ask the vikings how much running the ball cuts down on turnovers. I will admit that having Lynch would be nice ... but they could use depth on the d-line far, far more. The Packers have spent almost all season in their nickel/dime packages w/ 2 down lineman ... the 2 down lineman isn't by choice ... it is because they only have 3 adequate players on the roster. In goalline stands (like the one they stuffed the lions on this weekend) they needed to bring in reserve offensive lineman to play D. Also, Kuhn was effective enough on sunday especially on the last drive where he saw 8 man fronts the entire time.

The colts, patriots and chargers have all run the ball with great success...its still run to set up the pass, not the other way around. You need the threat and rb's that average 2 yards a carry is not a threat. A good running game opens everything up including saving your qb because the Dline at least has to consider not going straight to the qb.

And we have played some easy to rush on teams...we haven't been lining up against the jets, baltimore and pitt. We should be averaging 150 a game against these teams.

 

[basher]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc... It is becoming a throw first league and hopefully enough of a run game to keep teams honest. The packers aren't even close to the worst statistical running offense in teh NFL right now and won't finish as the worst either. The ONLY reason they struggled against detroit was 3 consecutive turnovers basically giving detroit the football the entire second half ... 2x giving detroit field position inside the 50. The "keep your franchise QB healthy" line is a HUGE stretch. Your "simple formula" runs out of gas come playoff time (if you want an example of that check out the Indy/NYJ game from last seasons playoffs) ohh and ask the vikings how much running the ball cuts down on turnovers. I will admit that having Lynch would be nice ... but they could use depth on the d-line far, far more. The Packers have spent almost all season in their nickel/dime packages w/ 2 down lineman ... the 2 down lineman isn't by choice ... it is because they only have 3 adequate players on the roster. In goalline stands (like the one they stuffed the lions on this weekend) they needed to bring in reserve offensive lineman to play D. Also, Kuhn was effective enough on sunday especially on the last drive where he saw 8 man fronts the entire time.

The colts, patriots and chargers have all run the ball with great success...its still run to set up the pass, not the other way around. You need the threat and rb's that average 2 yards a carry is not a threat. A good running game opens everything up including saving your qb because the Dline at least has to consider not going straight to the qb.

And we have played some easy to rush on teams...we haven't been lining up against the jets, baltimore and pitt. We should be averaging 150 a game against these teams.

First off this is wrong and has been analyzed as wrong ad nauseum over the last few years. It is a pass to setup the run league aside from a few select teams. Also, why does it matter against the Jets/Pitt/Baltimore? Teams with great running games haven't been anymore successful then those with great passing games against those teams.

 

[Texican]

So.....is Lynch going to Philly?

 

[kface]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc... It is becoming a throw first league and hopefully enough of a run game to keep teams honest. The packers aren't even close to the worst statistical running offense in teh NFL right now and won't finish as the worst either. The ONLY reason they struggled against detroit was 3 consecutive turnovers basically giving detroit the football the entire second half ... 2x giving detroit field position inside the 50. The "keep your franchise QB healthy" line is a HUGE stretch. Your "simple formula" runs out of gas come playoff time (if you want an example of that check out the Indy/NYJ game from last seasons playoffs) ohh and ask the vikings how much running the ball cuts down on turnovers. I will admit that having Lynch would be nice ... but they could use depth on the d-line far, far more. The Packers have spent almost all season in their nickel/dime packages w/ 2 down lineman ... the 2 down lineman isn't by choice ... it is because they only have 3 adequate players on the roster. In goalline stands (like the one they stuffed the lions on this weekend) they needed to bring in reserve offensive lineman to play D. Also, Kuhn was effective enough on sunday especially on the last drive where he saw 8 man fronts the entire time.

The colts, patriots and chargers have all run the ball with great success...its still run to set up the pass, not the other way around. You need the threat and rb's that average 2 yards a carry is not a threat. A good running game opens everything up including saving your qb because the Dline at least has to consider not going straight to the qb.

And we have played some easy to rush on teams...we haven't been lining up against the jets, baltimore and pitt. We should be averaging 150 a game against these teams.

First off this is wrong and has been analyzed as wrong ad nauseum over the last few years. It is a pass to setup the run league aside from a few select teams. Also, why does it matter against the Jets/Pitt/Baltimore? Teams with great running games haven't been anymore successful then those with great passing games against those teams.

The point i'm making is that we are in the bottom half of the league in rushing even though we played some of the worst defenses in the league...and come december and in the playoffs you better be damn sure you can rush the ball or you are going to lose...but hey, if you believe this is a superbowl team averaging 2 ypc then that's your perogative

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The funniest part about this whole ordeal is that the Packers and Eagles will probably spend multiple picks within the first 4 rounds on backup running backs over the course of Lynch's prime. The Eagles alone have spent four picks in that range on running backs in the last five years.

It's amazing the amount that NFL GMs overvalue 3rd-4th round picks in the middle of the season. There's what, a 20% chance that a 3rd/4th rounder will even end up being a competent backup for a team?

 

[CaptainHook]

running is like justice its only resorted too when you lack the power to do the other thing

 

[qimqam]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc... It is becoming a throw first league and hopefully enough of a run game to keep teams honest. The packers aren't even close to the worst statistical running offense in teh NFL right now and won't finish as the worst either. The ONLY reason they struggled against detroit was 3 consecutive turnovers basically giving detroit the football the entire second half ... 2x giving detroit field position inside the 50. The "keep your franchise QB healthy" line is a HUGE stretch. Your "simple formula" runs out of gas come playoff time (if you want an example of that check out the Indy/NYJ game from last seasons playoffs) ohh and ask the vikings how much running the ball cuts down on turnovers. I will admit that having Lynch would be nice ... but they could use depth on the d-line far, far more. The Packers have spent almost all season in their nickel/dime packages w/ 2 down lineman ... the 2 down lineman isn't by choice ... it is because they only have 3 adequate players on the roster. In goalline stands (like the one they stuffed the lions on this weekend) they needed to bring in reserve offensive lineman to play D. Also, Kuhn was effective enough on sunday especially on the last drive where he saw 8 man fronts the entire time.

It addresses all of the concerns in the post I replied to ... and it has worked forever Steelers, Ravens, Giants to name a few.

 

[Pipes]

The funniest part about this whole ordeal is that the Packers and Eagles will probably spend multiple picks within the first 4 rounds on backup running backs over the course of Lynch's prime. The Eagles alone have spent four picks in that range on running backs in the last five years.

It's amazing the amount that NFL GMs overvalue 3rd-4th round picks in the middle of the season. There's what, a 20% chance that a 3rd/4th rounder will even end up being a competent backup for a team?

Are we positive this is all the Bills are asking? Everything I've seen says they want a pick plus a starting calibur player. I find it hard to believe that if a 3rd rounder is the asking price someone would've jumped on that by now.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc...

The Patriots had a decent running back during each of their Superbowl years. The Colts had Addai that one year who may not be great, but he is decent. And I don't think the Chargers have ever won the Superbowl.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

So.....is Lynch going to Philly?

Nope, Seattle, as per other thread. We can lock this one now.

 

[basher]

A simple formula that has worked since the beggining of time ... Control the clock with a running game. Less chance of turnovers, less chance of injuring your franchise QB, keep your defense off the field and fresh.

you are making a lot of rather unsubstantiated statements here. This isn't how teams have been winning since the "beginning of time" ... ask the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, etc... It is becoming a throw first league and hopefully enough of a run game to keep teams honest. The packers aren't even close to the worst statistical running offense in teh NFL right now and won't finish as the worst either. The ONLY reason they struggled against detroit was 3 consecutive turnovers basically giving detroit the football the entire second half ... 2x giving detroit field position inside the 50. The "keep your franchise QB healthy" line is a HUGE stretch. Your "simple formula" runs out of gas come playoff time (if you want an example of that check out the Indy/NYJ game from last seasons playoffs) ohh and ask the vikings how much running the ball cuts down on turnovers. I will admit that having Lynch would be nice ... but they could use depth on the d-line far, far more. The Packers have spent almost all season in their nickel/dime packages w/ 2 down lineman ... the 2 down lineman isn't by choice ... it is because they only have 3 adequate players on the roster. In goalline stands (like the one they stuffed the lions on this weekend) they needed to bring in reserve offensive lineman to play D. Also, Kuhn was effective enough on sunday especially on the last drive where he saw 8 man fronts the entire time.

It addresses all of the concerns in the post I replied to ... and it has worked forever Steelers, Ravens, Giants to name a few.

Two of the teams in question had top 5 defenses in NFL history. The Giant's team in question had an incredible d-line and is pretty widely considered one of the most random super bowl winners in NFL history. The only reason your "formula" works is because the defenses in question were so dominant that they offset a lack of offensive ability (you can also lump the TB Buccaneers D that beat the Raiders single handedly in this argument as well)The packers are not averaging 2ypc this season, they are averaging 3.9ypc which is actually pretty close to the league average and it is more then Indy was capable of last season (a superbowl team mind you) and more then the Chargers (maybe not super bowl but playoff caliber at least) had by over a half a yard. They were .2ypc off of teams like the Vikings of 09. Kuhn may not be pretty but he gets positive yardage and picks up 4-7 yards when teams sag coverage.

point being the running game is an issue but it isn't a mountain .. it is a mole hill. The bigger problem is depth on defense (which might be possible to address via picks in a trade but I doubt it) and cutting down on penalties and turnovers (which has plagued this team so far this year ... turnovers at inopportune times).

 

[delusional]

The funniest part about this whole ordeal is that the Packers and Eagles will probably spend multiple picks within the first 4 rounds on backup running backs over the course of Lynch's prime. The Eagles alone have spent four picks in that range on running backs in the last five years.It's amazing the amount that NFL GMs overvalue 3rd-4th round picks in the middle of the season. There's what, a 20% chance that a 3rd/4th rounder will even end up being a competent backup for a team?

lol yet the eagles trade down further in the 5th round area and use those and later guys as starters.eagles won't draft a back next year unless its like a 6th rounder..they will just bring in a vet to be back up.

 

[CaptainHook]

The funniest part about this whole ordeal is that the Packers and Eagles will probably spend multiple picks within the first 4 rounds on backup running backs over the course of Lynch's prime. The Eagles alone have spent four picks in that range on running backs in the last five years.It's amazing the amount that NFL GMs overvalue 3rd-4th round picks in the middle of the season. There's what, a 20% chance that a 3rd/4th rounder will even end up being a competent backup for a team?

it really is astounding to see the type of players you can get for these midround picks. i always assumed it had more to do with salary cap bs than anything else. 3rd and 4th round picks are pretty much slave labor while lynch is gonna cost a couple mil a season.