Eagles Training Camp Report (1 Viewer)

[JaxBill]

FWIW, according to the Eagles' MB, Philly sports radio is reporting that Baskett will start alongside Reggie Brown tomorrow night with Pinkston's injury. Gaffney will stay in the slot.

 

[cstu]

sounds like its time to downgrade the eagles secondary

 

[Biabreakable]

Im still trying to figure out which Wrs will do well in this offense.

Right now Brown is hurt.. that will slow his development.

Greg Lewis is a possibility.

Stinkston is hard for me to put much hope in.

Jabar Gaffney was nothing special with the Texans.

Then there are the rookies Avery and Bloom.

Would like to hear more from people paying closer attention to the situation about the Wrs roles in 2006.

LJ Smith and Westbrook look like the best options in the passing game. Smith could have a huge year if he stays healthy.

Seems like the Iggles traditionaly have used "other" positions than Wr as thier primary recieving options.

 

[Raider Nation]

Probably the first time in the history of the English language that Pinkston and dominate have ever been used in the same sentence.

"Todd Pinkston will never be a dominate receiver."

 

[JaxBill]

Eagles Personnel Rotation for HoF game

 

[Provy Wit]

I'm listenting to 610 WIP and Gary Cobb who has a pretty good plus on the Eagles situation (a former Eagles LB himself) said that he thinks Jabar Gaffney is on his way in getting the pink slip. The coaches arent happy with him at all.

NO way this team can go into the season with Hank Baskett as thier #2 since it looks like Pinkstons achilles will have him out for the first few weeks of the season.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Well let me ask.

Iggle fans...is this finally the year your team brings a championship to Philadelphia?

I live in Philly and I swear I have never seen fans that, every single year, firmly believe their team is, by far, the best team in the NFL. Sometimes it borders on comical. But I do give credit for blind homerism.

Talent-wise they have just as good a chance this year as any team in the NFL. Usually teams that get to the Superbowl are the ones that limit/overcome injuries. The Eagles are in better position this year to deal with injuries then they were last year.

There are a strong set of arguments to make that they are the worst team in their division. They certainly did the least of any team in that division to improve themselves, and are the only team in the division to suffer a net loss of talent when TO went from them to Dallas (not saying they should have kept him BTW, but still).

I believe getting McNabb healthy and getting rid of T.O. was all they needed to do to improve. Hell, they've been really good for the last few years. Weren't the Steelers 6-10 a couple years ago, in the AFC 'chip the year after that and followed that up with a S.B. win? Some big injuries contributed to the 6-10 as they did to the Eagles last year. I am one that wouldn't be surprised to see any NFC East team win that division.

 

[massraider]

Im still trying to figure out which Wrs will do well in this offense.Greg Lewis is a possibility.

That's my guess.

 

[cr8f]

Well let me ask.

Iggle fans...is this finally the year your team brings a championship to Philadelphia?

I live in Philly and I swear I have never seen fans that, every single year, firmly believe their team is, by far, the best team in the NFL. Sometimes it borders on comical. But I do give credit for blind homerism.

Talent-wise they have just as good a chance this year as any team in the NFL. Usually teams that get to the Superbowl are the ones that limit/overcome injuries. The Eagles are in better position this year to deal with injuries then they were last year.

There are a strong set of arguments to make that they are the worst team in their division. They certainly did the least of any team in that division to improve themselves, and are the only team in the division to suffer a net loss of talent when TO went from them to Dallas (not saying they should have kept him BTW, but still).

I believe getting McNabb healthy and getting rid of T.O. was all they needed to do to improve. Hell, they've been really good for the last few years. Weren't the Steelers 6-10 a couple years ago, in the AFC 'chip the year after that and followed that up with a S.B. win? Some big injuries contributed to the 6-10 as they did to the Eagles last year. I am one that wouldn't be surprised to see any NFC East team win that division.

That 6-10 allowed them to draft Roethlisberger.

 

[H.K.]

I'm listenting to 610 WIP and Gary Cobb who has a pretty good plus on the Eagles situation (a former Eagles LB himself) said that he thinks Jabar Gaffney is on his way in getting the pink slip. The coaches arent happy with him at all.

Any insight as to why? Conditioning? Attitude? Understanding playbook? Talent? All/none of the above?TIA

 

[redman]

Well let me ask.

Iggle fans...is this finally the year your team brings a championship to Philadelphia?

I live in Philly and I swear I have never seen fans that, every single year, firmly believe their team is, by far, the best team in the NFL. Sometimes it borders on comical. But I do give credit for blind homerism.

Talent-wise they have just as good a chance this year as any team in the NFL. Usually teams that get to the Superbowl are the ones that limit/overcome injuries. The Eagles are in better position this year to deal with injuries then they were last year.

There are a strong set of arguments to make that they are the worst team in their division. They certainly did the least of any team in that division to improve themselves, and are the only team in the division to suffer a net loss of talent when TO went from them to Dallas (not saying they should have kept him BTW, but still).

I believe getting McNabb healthy and getting rid of T.O. was all they needed to do to improve. Hell, they've been really good for the last few years. Weren't the Steelers 6-10 a couple years ago, in the AFC 'chip the year after that and followed that up with a S.B. win? Some big injuries contributed to the 6-10 as they did to the Eagles last year. I am one that wouldn't be surprised to see any NFC East team win that division.

I don't disagree with the bolded part, but I think Eagles fans are too quick to think that the rookies they drafted - however good they end up being - are going to be difference makers right away. They drafted depth, but their skill positions are still, as a whole, easily the worst in the division. Easily.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Well let me ask.

Iggle fans...is this finally the year your team brings a championship to Philadelphia?

I live in Philly and I swear I have never seen fans that, every single year, firmly believe their team is, by far, the best team in the NFL. Sometimes it borders on comical. But I do give credit for blind homerism.

Talent-wise they have just as good a chance this year as any team in the NFL. Usually teams that get to the Superbowl are the ones that limit/overcome injuries. The Eagles are in better position this year to deal with injuries then they were last year.

There are a strong set of arguments to make that they are the worst team in their division. They certainly did the least of any team in that division to improve themselves, and are the only team in the division to suffer a net loss of talent when TO went from them to Dallas (not saying they should have kept him BTW, but still).

I believe getting McNabb healthy and getting rid of T.O. was all they needed to do to improve. Hell, they've been really good for the last few years. Weren't the Steelers 6-10 a couple years ago, in the AFC 'chip the year after that and followed that up with a S.B. win? Some big injuries contributed to the 6-10 as they did to the Eagles last year. I am one that wouldn't be surprised to see any NFC East team win that division.

I don't disagree with the bolded part, but I think Eagles fans are too quick to think that the rookies they drafted - however good they end up being - are going to be difference makers right away. They drafted depth, but their skill positions are still, as a whole, easily the worst in the division. Easily.

As a whole?I agree the WRs are amongst the overall worst group, but the QB is #1 in the division and Westbrook is 3rd after Tiki and Portis (arguably the same value). I'd take Westy of Julius Jones.

As for TE, every team has a Top 10 candidate guy. LJ Smith, Cooley and Witten can approach Shockey's value, when healthy.

It is an interesting debate, but I would say aside from WR (I know, big exclusion) the Eagles are about on par with the 3 other teams.

 

[redman]

Well let me ask.

Iggle fans...is this finally the year your team brings a championship to Philadelphia?

I live in Philly and I swear I have never seen fans that, every single year, firmly believe their team is, by far, the best team in the NFL. Sometimes it borders on comical. But I do give credit for blind homerism.

Talent-wise they have just as good a chance this year as any team in the NFL. Usually teams that get to the Superbowl are the ones that limit/overcome injuries. The Eagles are in better position this year to deal with injuries then they were last year.

There are a strong set of arguments to make that they are the worst team in their division. They certainly did the least of any team in that division to improve themselves, and are the only team in the division to suffer a net loss of talent when TO went from them to Dallas (not saying they should have kept him BTW, but still).

I believe getting McNabb healthy and getting rid of T.O. was all they needed to do to improve. Hell, they've been really good for the last few years. Weren't the Steelers 6-10 a couple years ago, in the AFC 'chip the year after that and followed that up with a S.B. win? Some big injuries contributed to the 6-10 as they did to the Eagles last year. I am one that wouldn't be surprised to see any NFC East team win that division.

I don't disagree with the bolded part, but I think Eagles fans are too quick to think that the rookies they drafted - however good they end up being - are going to be difference makers right away. They drafted depth, but their skill positions are still, as a whole, easily the worst in the division. Easily.

As a whole?I agree the WRs are amongst the overall worst group, but the QB is #1 in the division and Westbrook is 3rd after Tiki and Portis (arguably the same value). I'd take Westy of Julius Jones.

As for TE, every team has a Top 10 candidate guy. LJ Smith, Cooley and Witten can approach Shockey's value, when healthy.

It is an interesting debate, but I would say aside from WR (I know, big exclusion) the Eagles are about on par with the 3 other teams.

I don't disagree with your position-by-position assessment; I'm certainly not saying that the Eagles suck in that regard. For example, I love LJ Smith. I have both him and McNabb on my dynasty roster. Here's my thinking though. The WR's (as you said) are a big deal. That's true for two reasons. First, they lack a playmaker there, and they're the only team in the division with that problem. I'm not a huge Plaxico Burress fan, but even he's more of a playmaker than what the Eagles have. The other thing, though, is that without a playmaker at WR, McNabb's abilities likewise take a hit and he necessarily must be downgraded. Say what you will about TO, but McNabb was a completely different QB with him on the field either to throw to or to draw attention away from other receivers.

I've also said for years now that Andy Reid has forced McNabb into an offense ill-suited for his talents. To make matters worse, Reid's play-calling has been very suspect at times. Has McNabb made as much as he can out of it? Sure, but I'd love (as a football fan, NOT as a Redskins fan! ) to see McNabb in the offense that comes out of the Don Coryell coaching tree, e.g. Al Saunders, Joe Gibbs, Dennis Green, Mike Martz, Norv Turner, namely an offense that emphasises establishing the run and setting up deep passes. McNabb has a strong arm, but Reid limits him to dink and dunk style passes. It's the same bizarre insistence upon an ill-fitting system that you see in Atlanta with Vick, although McNabb is better able to run that system than Vick is.

I've also never been a Westbrook fan. Is he talented? Sure, but if the Eagles ever needed to go out and establish the running game on its own merits (as opposed to it being a change of pace from their passing attack), I don't think Westbrook can do it. Part of that, again, is Reid's offensive philosophy that prefers the pass to set up the run, but that Westbrook's most noteworthy talents at RB are his receiving skills likewise doesn't impress me much.

What gives me pause at the end of the day and forces me to acknowledge that the Eagles too could win the division when it's all said and done is that they've done it before without TO. Those years are fading farther and farther into the past, but they still have intact the core of players who got them there.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

What gives me pause at the end of the day and forces me to acknowledge that the Eagles too could win the division when it's all said and done is that they've done it before without TO. Those years are fading farther and farther into the past, but they still have intact the core of players who got them there.

First off, this is a good conversation, but we'll have to pick this up later.I do want to address your point.I agree that the Eagles cannot rest on their laurels and just say "yes we have done it w/o TO" in the past. The problem there, as you stated, is that the other 3 teams are quickly catching up (or have already).The division is HIGHLY competitive. Injuries and fortuitous bounces will likely determine the fate here - it's that close.It will be a VERY entertaining year. The Eagles at least have gotten some younger talents at WR - starting with Baskett and Avant - and I hope that leads them in the right direction.We'll know more starting tonight at 8.

 

[redman]

What gives me pause at the end of the day and forces me to acknowledge that the Eagles too could win the division when it's all said and done is that they've done it before without TO. Those years are fading farther and farther into the past, but they still have intact the core of players who got them there.

First off, this is a good conversation, but we'll have to pick this up later.I do want to address your point.I agree that the Eagles cannot rest on their laurels and just say "yes we have done it w/o TO" in the past. The problem there, as you stated, is that the other 3 teams are quickly catching up (or have already).The division is HIGHLY competitive. Injuries and fortuitous bounces will likely determine the fate here - it's that close.It will be a VERY entertaining year. The Eagles at least have gotten some younger talents at WR - starting with Baskett and Avant - and I hope that leads them in the right direction.We'll know more starting tonight at 8.

This should be the most entertaining year in the NFC East since the early 1990's.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Interesting game.

First drive was very nice on offense. Looked crisp and sharp, and showed they could run. After that, not much to write home about (except Akers hits from 55 yards).

I really liked what I saw of Gaither (#96). He looks quite good.

Avant looked better (and bigger) than I expected. Baskett was ok.

Gaffney looked off, but I think that was more Garcia's fault than anything. Garcia (and the rest of the backups) looked bad - but especially Garcia.

Jaqua Thomas (#75) was also impressive.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

One more.

Matt McCoy also played well at linebacker. I think he's slated to possibly start at the Will, so that'd be a nice pickup in IDP.

 

[delusional]

Yea i caught some of Gaither's play, looked solid.

Garcia....when you can't remain the starting QB of the BROWNS and LIONs...YOU ####### SUCK.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Brown, Pinkston, Gaffney > Thrash, Pinkston, Mitchell IMO. They made it to three NFCCG with worse WRs, so I don't think great WRs are necessarily a MUST for making it far again. Games are won in the trenches after all. If the O-Line can give McNabb more time to pass, and McNabb runs a little more often to keep defenses honest, their WR corps should be sufficient.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Yea i caught some of Gaither's play, looked solid. Garcia....when you can't remain the starting QB of the BROWNS and LIONs...YOU ####### SUCK.

T.O. made Garcia IMO. He's now the most overrated QB in the league. I really don't tihnk he's any better than McMahon.

 

[scratcher]

I thought both the first team lines dominated in this game. I know the Raiders don't have fantastic lines themselves so I shouldn't get too excited but it was still great to see Brooks being rushed/sacked and the O-line opening up some great holes.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

DB #48 looked fast.

Checking on who that was - T. Daniels, LB.

Looked 2 steps faster than everyone - but in the 4th quarter. Still worth watching.

 

[duaneok66]

Yea i caught some of Gaither's play, looked solid. Garcia....when you can't remain the starting QB of the BROWNS and LIONs...YOU ####### SUCK.

T.O. made Garcia IMO. He's now the most overrated QB in the league. I really don't tihnk he's any better than McMahon.

he's a little older now than when he was throwing to TO . . .

 

[redman]

I thought both the first team lines dominated in this game. I know the Raiders don't have fantastic lines themselves so I shouldn't get too excited but it was still great to see Brooks being rushed/sacked and the O-line opening up some great holes.

I thought the Raiders run blocked and ran the ball well, which was a somewhat bizarre contrast to their inability to successfully pass block for their QB's.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

So any insite on Baskett at all? Worth any type of a FA pick-up in a dynasty or just a flash in the pan training camp guy? I always did like the guy in college, and was happy when the Vikings signed him.

 

[redman]

So any insite on Baskett at all? Worth any type of a FA pick-up in a dynasty or just a flash in the pan training camp guy? I always did like the guy in college, and was happy when the Vikings signed him.

He made an 8-yard catch on a pretty routine play, albeit against the first team defense. There's just not a lot to go on.

 

[duaneok66]

So any insite on Baskett at all? Worth any type of a FA pick-up in a dynasty or just a flash in the pan training camp guy? I always did like the guy in college, and was happy when the Vikings signed him.

He made an 8-yard catch on a pretty routine play, albeit against the first team defense. There's just not a lot to go on.

Most of Philly's passes are already spoken for by Westbrook, LJ, and Reggie Brown . . .