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if only I had gotten my job 2 weeks ago and woul dhave $$ to put on the over/under for the GB game...

no way is only 42 points scored in that game...

 
larry_boy_44 said:
if only I had gotten my job 2 weeks ago and woul dhave $$ to put on the over/under for the GB game...no way is only 42 points scored in that game...
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forecast is for something like a high of 3 degrees. WR's fingers will be snapping off if Favre throws his usual cannons.
 
I think my dream scenario of Favre vs. the undefeated Pats in the playoffs is well on its way to fruition. And both teams will cover in the process.

 
Wow.. nobody is giving the Giants a chance.. I'm a bit surprised at that. I think Favre will actually face a pass rush this week. Seattle didn't show anything but the Giants will. I see that game really close.. I agree NE should blow out San Diego but the Chargers are surprising quite a few people.. If Rivers plays I would lean to them as well. Can't believe everyone is predicting the favorites in blowouts... wouldn't of worked that well last week..

 
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.

 
Kuz said:
Wow.. nobody is giving the Giants a chance.. I'm a bit surprised at that. I think Favre will actually face a pass rush this week. Seattle didn't show anything but the Giants will. I see that game really close.. I agree NE should blow out San Diego but the Chargers are surprising quite a few people.. If Rivers plays I would lean to them as well. Can't believe everyone is predicting the favorites in blowouts... wouldn't of worked that well last week..
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I wouldn't take anything but the under in the NFC game. NY is so Jekyl & Hyde that they could just as easily win as be blown out. 1st thing I'd look at is Eli's performance in sub-freezing games.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Has there ever been a more bizarre home/road team than this year's Giants? 3-5 at home and 9-1 on the road.
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Maybe, depending on how you want to define bizarre, but certainly not many. Since 1950:
Code: 
+-----+------+-------+-------+---------+|team | year | road  | home  | diff	|+-----+------+-------+-------+---------+| SFO | 1982 | 3-1-0 | 0-5-0 | 0.75000 || DET | 1961 | 6-0-1 | 2-5-0 | 0.64286 || SFO | 1962 | 5-2-0 | 1-6-0 | 0.57143 || NYG | 2007 | 9-1-0 | 3-5-0 | 0.52500 || NYG | 1960 | 5-1-0 | 1-3-2 | 0.50000 || HOU | 1996 | 6-2-0 | 2-6-0 | 0.50000 || SEA | 1980 | 4-4-0 | 0-8-0 | 0.50000 || CRD | 1957 | 3-3-0 | 0-6-0 | 0.50000 || NYG | 1952 | 5-1-0 | 2-4-0 | 0.50000 || CLE | 1956 | 4-2-0 | 1-5-0 | 0.50000 || CHI | 1968 | 5-2-0 | 2-5-0 | 0.42857 || KAN | 1976 | 4-3-0 | 1-6-0 | 0.42857 || STL | 1963 | 6-1-0 | 3-4-0 | 0.42857 || MIN | 1965 | 5-2-0 | 2-5-0 | 0.42857 || KAN | 1974 | 4-3-0 | 1-6-0 | 0.42857 || STL | 1982 | 4-2-0 | 1-3-0 | 0.41667 || NYJ | 2001 | 7-2-0 | 3-5-0 | 0.40278 |+-----+------+-------+-------+---------+
 
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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;) NE wont romp.Sd will cover. And give NE HELL!!!!!
 
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
 
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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While I agree with you that Jacksonville is a very good team and better than SD, I have to disagree that they played any where near perfect football. I saw key drops by the receivers and terrible tackling by the Jacksonville defense. Plus they weren't able to get any pressure on Brady.I don't think NE will romp at all (unless LT, Rivers and Gates all miss the game), and I'll be rooting for SD but I'm not optimistic that they can pull off an upset (I think Jacksonville had a much better chance). But that said, they were able to slow down the Indy Offense, so is it entirely out of the question for them to do so to NE as well?
 
Modog814 said:
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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While I agree with you that Jacksonville is a very good team and better than SD, I have to disagree that they played any where near perfect football. I saw key drops by the receivers and terrible tackling by the Jacksonville defense. Plus they weren't able to get any pressure on Brady.I don't think NE will romp at all (unless LT, Rivers and Gates all miss the game), and I'll be rooting for SD but I'm not optimistic that they can pull off an upset (I think Jacksonville had a much better chance). But that said, they were able to slow down the Indy Offense, so is it entirely out of the question for them to do so to NE as well?
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I don't really know how the Bolts held the colts to 24. They gave up 400 + passing yards, not exactly what I'd call slowing them down. A couple of key turnovers off tipped balls sure helped, as did the harrison fumble. From what I saw for most of the game, Manning had a lot of time to throw. Granted, Merriman did make a play when it counted, but all in all, SD didn't apply great pressure throughout the game. 0 sacks recorded. In the first 3 q, Indy had 6 possessions, 3 scores and 3 turnovers ( 1 at SD 20 and one at the SD 5 ) If SD can get the same big plays and turnovers, they will be able to stay in the game with NE. They could pull it out at the end. However, NE has been extremely careful with the football this year, so I'd be surprised to see multiple turnovers from them in this game. And NE has been incredibly efficient scoring points. I don't recall a game this year where they Pats moved the ball up & down the field but came away with a relatively low score. They tend to hang onto the football and not settle for FGs very often. It'll be interesting to see how Cromartie changes the coverage for SD... I believe he was no more than the nickel back in the first meeting. But I don't think SD has the DBs to cover the NE WR corps all game, so I see NE moving the ball pretty well against this group.
 
Road Warriors said:
Modog814 said:
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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While I agree with you that Jacksonville is a very good team and better than SD, I have to disagree that they played any where near perfect football. I saw key drops by the receivers and terrible tackling by the Jacksonville defense. Plus they weren't able to get any pressure on Brady.I don't think NE will romp at all (unless LT, Rivers and Gates all miss the game), and I'll be rooting for SD but I'm not optimistic that they can pull off an upset (I think Jacksonville had a much better chance). But that said, they were able to slow down the Indy Offense, so is it entirely out of the question for them to do so to NE as well?
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I don't really know how the Bolts held the colts to 24. They gave up 400 + passing yards, not exactly what I'd call slowing them down. A couple of key turnovers off tipped balls sure helped, as did the harrison fumble. From what I saw for most of the game, Manning had a lot of time to throw. Granted, Merriman did make a play when it counted, but all in all, SD didn't apply great pressure throughout the game. 0 sacks recorded. In the first 3 q, Indy had 6 possessions, 3 scores and 3 turnovers ( 1 at SD 20 and one at the SD 5 )

If SD can get the same big plays and turnovers, they will be able to stay in the game with NE. They could pull it out at the end. However, NE has been extremely careful with the football this year, so I'd be surprised to see multiple turnovers from them in this game. And NE has been incredibly efficient scoring points. I don't recall a game this year where they Pats moved the ball up & down the field but came away with a relatively low score. They tend to hang onto the football and not settle for FGs very often.

It'll be interesting to see how Cromartie changes the coverage for SD... I believe he was no more than the nickel back in the first meeting. But I don't think SD has the DBs to cover the NE WR corps all game, so I see NE moving the ball pretty well against this group.
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They tighten up in the red zone and create turnovers. It's the way they have played all season. NE will obviously pose new challenges, but they held the Colts the same way they hold just about everybody.
 
jonessed said:
Road Warriors said:
I don't really know how the Bolts held the colts to 24. They gave up 400 + passing yards, not exactly what I'd call slowing them down. A couple of key turnovers off tipped balls sure helped, as did the harrison fumble. From what I saw for most of the game, Manning had a lot of time to throw. Granted, Merriman did make a play when it counted, but all in all, SD didn't apply great pressure throughout the game. 0 sacks recorded. In the first 3 q, Indy had 6 possessions, 3 scores and 3 turnovers ( 1 at SD 20 and one at the SD 5 ) If SD can get the same big plays and turnovers, they will be able to stay in the game with NE. They could pull it out at the end. However, NE has been extremely careful with the football this year, so I'd be surprised to see multiple turnovers from them in this game. And NE has been incredibly efficient scoring points. I don't recall a game this year where they Pats moved the ball up & down the field but came away with a relatively low score. They tend to hang onto the football and not settle for FGs very often. It'll be interesting to see how Cromartie changes the coverage for SD... I believe he was no more than the nickel back in the first meeting. But I don't think SD has the DBs to cover the NE WR corps all game, so I see NE moving the ball pretty well against this group.
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They tighten up in the red zone and create turnovers. It's the way they have played all season. NE will obviously pose new challenges, but they held the Colts the same way they hold just about everybody.
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Agreed. They played a sort of bend don't break defense. And yes NE is careful with the ball, but sometimes it doesn't matter, things just happen. Balls get deflected, tipped and end up getting intercepted through no fault of the QB. And yes they did give up 400+ passing yards, and that isn't slowing anyone down, but what I meant is on the scoreboard, if you give up a 98 yard drive but only give up a FG, that's a victory in my book. I think SD has a defense that is capable of stopping NE on a couple drives whether it's on turnovers or not, and that will keep this game close IMO. NE is unquestionably the best in the league (if not ever) at converting 3rd down's. And that's the key to this game.
 
jonessed said:
Road Warriors said:
Modog814 said:
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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While I agree with you that Jacksonville is a very good team and better than SD, I have to disagree that they played any where near perfect football. I saw key drops by the receivers and terrible tackling by the Jacksonville defense. Plus they weren't able to get any pressure on Brady.I don't think NE will romp at all (unless LT, Rivers and Gates all miss the game), and I'll be rooting for SD but I'm not optimistic that they can pull off an upset (I think Jacksonville had a much better chance). But that said, they were able to slow down the Indy Offense, so is it entirely out of the question for them to do so to NE as well?
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I don't really know how the Bolts held the colts to 24. They gave up 400 + passing yards, not exactly what I'd call slowing them down. A couple of key turnovers off tipped balls sure helped, as did the harrison fumble. From what I saw for most of the game, Manning had a lot of time to throw. Granted, Merriman did make a play when it counted, but all in all, SD didn't apply great pressure throughout the game. 0 sacks recorded. In the first 3 q, Indy had 6 possessions, 3 scores and 3 turnovers ( 1 at SD 20 and one at the SD 5 )

If SD can get the same big plays and turnovers, they will be able to stay in the game with NE. They could pull it out at the end. However, NE has been extremely careful with the football this year, so I'd be surprised to see multiple turnovers from them in this game. And NE has been incredibly efficient scoring points. I don't recall a game this year where they Pats moved the ball up & down the field but came away with a relatively low score. They tend to hang onto the football and not settle for FGs very often.

It'll be interesting to see how Cromartie changes the coverage for SD... I believe he was no more than the nickel back in the first meeting. But I don't think SD has the DBs to cover the NE WR corps all game, so I see NE moving the ball pretty well against this group.
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They tighten up in the red zone and create turnovers. It's the way they have played all season. NE will obviously pose new challenges, but they held the Colts the same way they hold just about everybody.
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I guess the Pats will just have score from outside the red zone, then. :confused: I found it interesting while reseaching some numbers a week or so back that the Chargers were a middle ranked D

( yardage ) but top 5 in scoring Defense. Seems like what they just pulled in Indy has been going on for most of the season, as you note.

 
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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Curious as to why people think the Jags are "much better than SD"? The two teams played a pretty even game earlier in the year before the Chargers got hot (Jax won at home, 24-17).Last year at this time the Chargers were being touted as perhaps the most talented team in football. This year they're better, but it appears their difficult schedule and early season struggles have shortened many folks' memories.
 
tommyGunZ said:
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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Curious as to why people think the Jags are "much better than SD"? The two teams played a pretty even game earlier in the year before the Chargers got hot (Jax won at home, 24-17).Last year at this time the Chargers were being touted as perhaps the most talented team in football. This year they're better, but it appears their difficult schedule and early season struggles have shortened many folks' memories.
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Personally I thought Jacksonville was better, not much a huge gap though. I think Garrard > Rivers although Rivers has been playing pretty well lately. Everything else is pretty equal in my mind, except it felt like Jacksonville played like more of a team. When one part failed, the others picked up the slack.
 
I think I'm the only Pats fan I know who is VERY nervous about facing the Chargers on Sunday. They have a lot of the elements that give the Patriots fits: A RB stable that's very fast, versatile and dangerous in the passing game, a couple of HUGE receiving targets that can create ugly mismatches against NE's smallish DBs, scary fast outside LBs who can get around the tackles on pass rush, ballhawking secondary that creates lots of INTs on tips/drops.

Frankly, I'd rather have faced the Colts. I know I'm totally in the minority on this one.

 
Modog814 said:
tommyGunZ said:
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits. Watching the Pats this weekend was like playing Madden football. You just knew that the ONE TIME Jacksonville didn't match them TD for TD, it was pretty much over. How many NFL teams have you ever been able to say that about?
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Curious as to why people think the Jags are "much better than SD"? The two teams played a pretty even game earlier in the year before the Chargers got hot (Jax won at home, 24-17).Last year at this time the Chargers were being touted as perhaps the most talented team in football. This year they're better, but it appears their difficult schedule and early season struggles have shortened many folks' memories.
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Personally I thought Jacksonville was better, not much a huge gap though. I think Garrard > Rivers although Rivers has been playing pretty well lately. Everything else is pretty equal in my mind, except it felt like Jacksonville played like more of a team. When one part failed, the others picked up the slack.
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SD has a better D. Especially over the last half of the season. Garrard was on fire until they were forced to go one-dimensional and the NE D was able to focus on the pass. If SD can create turnovers they will be in this game longer than the Jags. If they can't, or turn the ball over themselves, they will get left behind. SD poses the same mismatches on O, large receivers and effective running game (assuming they are healthy).
 
The Chargers beat the Colts not because they shut down the IND offense (allowing almost 450 yards of offense). They did it by benefiting from 3 Colts turnovers.

IMO, if they play the same level of defense and don't force turnovers, they could give up over 40 points. Even with a couple turnovers I see NE getting 30 points, so if SD has a shot it will have to come from forcing turnovers.

 
Workhorse said:
I think I'm the only Pats fan I know who is VERY nervous about facing the Chargers on Sunday. They have a lot of the elements that give the Patriots fits: A RB stable that's very fast, versatile and dangerous in the passing game, a couple of HUGE receiving targets that can create ugly mismatches against NE's smallish DBs, scary fast outside LBs who can get around the tackles on pass rush, ballhawking secondary that creates lots of INTs on tips/drops. Frankly, I'd rather have faced the Colts. I know I'm totally in the minority on this one.
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I would rather face SD than Indy, but I agree with everything else here. The line is this game is a joke.
 
Jason Wood said:
shadyridr said:
Im surprised everyone thinks NE will romp. They haven't whipped many teams in the 2nd half of the season like they did in the first half. By may count they have only 2 victories by more than 11 pts in their last 7 games and one of those was a lackluster 28-7 victory over 1 win Miami.
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I look at the Jags game and saw a VERY GOOD Jacksonville team (much better than SD IMHO) play near perfect football and yet they still lost by double digits.
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Near perfect football? They generated zero pass rush and Brady set a record for completion percentage in a playoff game, but they played a near perfect game? Nope.
 
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