early WCOFF satellite draft (1 Viewer)

[prgromek]

Last week I drated one of the WCOFF Online Championship leagues (12 team PPR start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex). It was a tough draft that included 3 of the top-10 ranked WCOFF players. I had the 12th pick. I made the decision to go WR-WR and try to find RBs later. I wanted RBs that will catch passes but have additional upside. Not much value at all slipped in this one as this group was obviously very good. QBs slipped which is typical for these leagues. This was a good draft to see how guys are being valued in the early stages by some top players.

My draft

QB - Philip Rivers (7.12)

QB - Vince Young (11.12)

RB - LeSean McCoy (4.1)

RB - Darren McFadden (8.1)

RB - Donald Brown (9.12)

RB - Darren Sproles (10.1)

RB - Correll Buckhalter (14.1)

WR- Calvin Johnson (1.12)

WR- Roddy White (2.1)

WR- Michael Crabtree (3.12)

WR- Dwayne Bowe (6.1)

WR- Mohammad Massaquoi (12.1)

WR- Josh Morgan (13.12)

WR- Arrelious Benn (15.12)

WR- Torry Holt (20.1)

TE- Brent Celek (5.12)

TE- Tony Scheffler (16.1)

TE- Jeremy Shockey (17.12)

Top 5 rounds

1) AP

2) CJ

3) MJD

4) Ray Rice

5) Andre Johnson

6) Frank Gore

7) Larry Fitzgerald

8) Miles Austin

9) Steven Jackson

10) Brandon Marshall

11) Randy Moss

12) Calvin Johnson

13) Roddy White

14) Reggie Wayne

15) Michael Turner

16) Rashard Mendenhall

17) Sidney Rice

18) DeAngelo Williams

19) DeSean Jackson

20) Greg Jennings

21) Marques Colston

22) Drew Brees

23) Anquan Boldin

24) Jamaal Charles

25) Ryan Matthews

26) Pierre Thomas

27) Steve Smith (CAR)

28) Steve Smith (NYG)

29) Chris Wells

30) Aaron Rodgers

31) Chad Ochocinco

32) Shonn Greene

33) Ryan Grant

34) Knowshon Moreno

35) Peyton Manning

36) Michael Crabtree

37) LeSean McCoy

38) Cedric Benson

39) Matt Forte

40) Mike Sims-Walker

41) Jahvid Best

42) Dallas Clark

43) Hines Ward

44) Hakeem Nicks

45) Jonathan Stewart

46) Vincent Jackson

47) Tony Romo

48) Percy Harvin

49) Vernon Davis

50) Wes Welker

51) Joseph Addai

52) Jason Witten

53) Felix Jones

54) Antonio Gates

55) Reggie Bush

56) Jermichael Finely

57) Pierre Garcon

58) Matt Schaub

59) Ronnie Brown

60) Brent Celek

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[baconisgood]

Dwayne Bowe @6.1 seems like a serious mistake. You are drafting your 4th WR- a Bench player- before your #2 RB? I know "value" is the name of the game- but the value of someone who is going to start 3-5 games for you is much, much lower than one who is going to start 10+ games for you.

 

[prgromek]

Dwayne Bowe @6.1 seems like a serious mistake. You are drafting your 4th WR- a Bench player- before your #2 RB? I know "value" is the name of the game- but the value of someone who is going to start 3-5 games for you is much, much lower than one who is going to start 10+ games for you.

you can start 4 WR (3 + flex), so I can start Bowe every week

 

[Steed]

I have a feeling people will think your weak at RB, but I think you'll be fine in this format. First 5 rounds look a little tough but some mistakes were made like Garcon and Benson getting drafted this early.

 

[prgromek]

I have a feeling people will think your weak at RB, but I think you'll be fine in this format. First 5 rounds look a little tough but some mistakes were made like Garcon and Benson getting drafted this early.

I tried to get cute last year in this format and take "value" RBs that slipped like Brandon Jacobs and got caught with my pants down at WR with no depth as the year progressed and a couple of my RBs busted. My philosophy in this draft was to take an edge at WR and try to piecemeal the RBs together. Of course I wasn't the only one trying to do that.

 

[TheWick]

I think you are playing it correctly...nice job

 

[prgromek]

I think you are playing it correctly...nice job

The guy with the #1 pick is one of the WCOFF leading money winners and he went RB-RB-RB. He may have landed some great value here. If you pick the right players any strategy will work of course.APJ. CharlesR. MatthewsHis receiversA. BryantP. HarvinD. DriverD. MasonNate BurlesonChaz SchilensLaurent RobinsonMike Williams (TB)TE- Vernon Davis

 

[purestrength]

I think you are playing it correctly...nice job

The guy with the #1 pick is one of the WCOFF leading money winners and he went RB-RB-RB. He may have landed some great value here. If you pick the right players any strategy will work of course.APJ. CharlesR. MatthewsHis receiversA. BryantP. HarvinD. DriverD. MasonNate BurlesonChaz SchilensLaurent RobinsonMike Williams (TB)TE- Vernon Davis

May I ask, was this one of the $220 or $125 satellite leagues? Or was it part of those $300 World Championship of Online Fantasy Football leagues?I'm just curious.

 

[TheWick]

I think you are playing it correctly...nice job

The guy with the #1 pick is one of the WCOFF leading money winners and he went RB-RB-RB. He may have landed some great value here. If you pick the right players any strategy will work of course.APJ. CharlesR. MatthewsHis receiversA. BryantP. HarvinD. DriverD. MasonNate BurlesonChaz SchilensLaurent RobinsonMike Williams (TB)TE- Vernon Davis

You can certainly play it that way also..but the way the draft fell for each of you is quite a bit different. I would bet all 4 or your WRs will outscore R.Matthews in this format, but Mathews may be more consistent.

 

[massraider]

I like your team. 4 receivers that should catch a lot of balls.

You need Bowe to straighten up and fly right, but if he does, that's a great 4th WR.

You gotta get lucky with Brown or DMC, but if you do, you have a juggernaut.

 

[FF Newbie]

Thanks for sharing this. I'd be interested in seeing the rest of the draft if you don't mind.

 

[prgromek]

This was a $300 Online Championship league that I drafted.

I'll try to get the rest of the draft up tonight after work.

 

[Malabar]

I think you are playing it correctly...nice job

The guy with the #1 pick is one of the WCOFF leading money winners and he went RB-RB-RB. He may have landed some great value here. If you pick the right players any strategy will work of course.

you can go WR-WR-WR or RB-RB-RB, if you avoid the bust or underperformer, and then get the Sidney Rice's, MSW, Charles in the 10th+ rounds, it doesnt matter what strategy you use. It's all about picking the right players.

 

[Blutarsky]

I think your team will be very competitive if McFadden and Bowe play up to their potential, and Celek stays healthy.

Nice job. And you are correct in focusing on stud WRs early in the draft in this type of format.

 

[baconisgood]

Dwayne Bowe @6.1 seems like a serious mistake. You are drafting your 4th WR- a Bench player- before your #2 RB? I know "value" is the name of the game- but the value of someone who is going to start 3-5 games for you is much, much lower than one who is going to start 10+ games for you.

you can start 4 WR (3 + flex), so I can start Bowe every week

Then I take it all back- didn't notice the Flex.

 

[Sweet Love]

I think you are playing it correctly...nice job

The guy with the #1 pick is one of the WCOFF leading money winners and he went RB-RB-RB. He may have landed some great value here. If you pick the right players any strategy will work of course.APJ. CharlesR. MatthewsHis receiversA. BryantP. HarvinD. DriverD. MasonNate BurlesonChaz SchilensLaurent RobinsonMike Williams (TB)TE- Vernon Davis

I don't see where this guy is going to get his WR points. He has a wild card in Bryant, a developing player in Harvin, two older guys in Mason and Driver (who I am not bullish on at all this year), two "never was" players and a rookie. My guess is that he starts Williams at least 4 times, and that will not be good news for him. Obviously the guy has had success in this format, but I can guarantee you he would not draft this team in the main event...my guess is that he was experimenting a little.

 

[34=Sweetness]

You could be in a world of hurt at RB. In PPR leagues, consistent pass catching backs are where you win your leagues. You have great pass catchers, but their playing time could weaken you.

I also have to question the logic of holding drafts for a league with so much money riding on it in the middle of July, before training camps even open. At least one team in the league will probably be at a severe disadvantage due to a preseason injury, and thats an element of luck I'd like to avoid if at all possible.

 

[prgromek]

rest of draft

Round 20

240 Gibson, B. WR (STL)

239 Prater, M. K (DEN)

238 Watson, B. TE (CLE)

237 Moore, M. QB (CAR)

236 Bennett, M. TE (DAL)

235 Robiskie, B. WR (CLE)

234 Tynes, L. K (NYG)

233 McKnight, J. RB (NYJ)

232 Cardinals D/ST

231 Jackson, B. RB (GNB)

230 Jennings, R. RB (JAC)

229 Holt, T. WR (NWE)

Round 19

228 Bears D/ST

227 Murphy, L. WR (OAK)

226 Amendola, D. WR (STL)

225 LaFell, B. WR (CAR)

224 Avant, J. WR (PHI)

223 Broncos D/ST

222 Carpenter, D. K (MIA)

221 Orton, K. QB (DEN)

220 Nedney, J. K (SFO)

219 Decker, E. WR (DEN)

218 Naanee, L. WR (SDG)

217 Gould, R. K (CHI)

Round 18

216 Moeaki, T. TE (KAN)

215 Cribbs, J. WR (CLE)

214 Henderson, D. WR (NOR)

213 Campbell, J. QB (OAK)

212 Akers, D. K (PHI)

211 Westbrook, B. RB (PHI)

210 Bengals D/ST

209 Bironas, R. K (TEN)

208 Colts D/ST

207 Longwell, R. K (MIN)

206 Dolphins D/ST

205 Gostkowski, S. K (NWE)

Round 17

204 Shockey, J. TE (NOR)

203 Kaeding, N. K (SDG)

202 Torain, R. RB (WAS)

201 Crosby, M. K (GNB)

200 Giants D/ST

199 Norwood, J. RB (ATL)

198 Cowboys D/ST

197 Saints D/ST

196 49ers D/ST

195 Hartley, G. K (NOR)

194 Garrard, D. QB (JAC)

193 Eagles D/ST

Round 16

192 Williams, M. WR (TAM)

191 Packers D/ST

190 Washington, N. WR (TEN)

189 Hamilton, L. RB (NOR)

188 Chargers D/ST

187 Jones, J. RB (SEA)

186 Snelling, J. RB (ATL)

185 Heyward-Bey, D. WR (OAK)

184 Dwyer, J. RB (PIT)

183 Kelly, M. WR (WAS)

182 Shipley, J. WR (CIN)

181 Scheffler, T. TE (DET)

Round 15

180 Benn, A. WR (TAM)

179 Vikings D/ST

178 Nelson, J. WR (GNB)

177 Bell, M. RB (PHI)

176 Gerhart, T. RB (MIN)

175 Williams, R. WR (DAL)

174 Coffee, G. RB (SFO)

173 Tate, B. WR (NWE)

172 Manningham, M. WR (NYG)

171 Walter, K. WR (HOU)

170 Gonzalez, A. WR (IND)

169 Smith, A. QB (SFO)

Round 14

168 Robinson, L. WR (STL)

167 Smith, K. RB (DET)

166 Cassel, M. QB (KAN)

165 Moore, L. WR (NOR)

164 Davis, F. TE (WAS)

163 Boss, K. TE (NYG)

162 Henne, C. QB (MIA)

161 Washington, L. RB (SEA)

160 Gresham, J. TE (CIN)

159 Bess, D. WR (MIA)

158 Palmer, C. QB (CIN)

157 Buckhalter, C. RB (DEN)

Round 13

156 Morgan, J. WR (SFO)

155 Ward, D. RB (TAM)

154 McCluster, D. WR (KAN)

153 Leinart, M. QB (ARI)

152 Stafford, M. QB (DET)

151 Berrian, B. WR (MIN)

150 Steelers D/ST

149 Jones, J. WR (HOU)

148 Choice, T. RB (DAL)

147 Lynch, M. RB (BUF)

146 Olsen, G. TE (CHI)

145 Foster, A. RB (HOU)

Round 12

144 Schilens, C. WR (OAK)

143 Doucet, E. WR (ARI)

142 Tate, G. WR (SEA)

141 Jones, J. WR (GNB)

140 Thomas, M. WR (JAC)

139 McNabb, D. QB (WAS)

138 Chambers, C. WR (KAN)

137 Cotchery, J. WR (NYJ)

136 McGahee, W. RB (BAL)

135 Ravens D/ST

134 Keller, D. TE (NYJ)

133 Massaquoi, M. WR (CLE)

Round 11

132 Young, V. QB (TEN)

131 Thomas, D. WR (WAS)

130 Scott, B. RB (CIN)

129 Shiancoe, V. TE (MIN)

128 Ryan, M. QB (ATL)

127 Thomas, D. WR (DEN)

126 Avery, D. WR (STL)

125 Britt, K. WR (TEN)

124 Johnson, L. RB (WAS)

123 Evans, L. WR (BUF)

122 Ringer, J. RB (TEN)

121 Bryant, A. WR (CIN)

Round 10

120 Burleson, N. WR (DET)

119 Owens, T. WR (BUF)

118 Jets D/ST

117 Collie, A. WR (IND)

116 Tomlinson, L. RB (NYJ)

115 Maroney, L. RB (NWE)

114 Cooley, C. TE (WAS)

113 Hightower, T. RB (ARI)

112 Edwards, B. WR (NYJ)

111 Miller, H. TE (PIT)

110 Carlson, J. TE (SEA)

109 Sproles, D. RB (SDG)

Round 9

108 Brown, D. RB (IND)

107 Williams, C. RB (TAM)

106 Roethlisberger, B. QB (PIT)

105 Flacco, J. QB (BAL)

104 Manning, E. QB (NYG)

103 Favre, B. QB (MIN)

102 Slaton, S. RB (HOU)

101 Winslow, K. TE (TAM)

100 Kolb, K. QB (PHI)

99 Miller, Z. TE (OAK)

98 Portis, C. RB (WAS)

97 Mason, D. WR (BAL)

Round 8

96 Jones, T. RB (KAN)

95 Holmes, S. WR (NYJ)

94 Bush, M. RB (OAK)

93 Gaffney, J. WR (DEN)

92 Hardesty, M. RB (CLE)

91 Royal, E. WR (DEN)

90 Harrison, J. RB (CLE)

89 Knox, J. WR (CHI)

88 Breaston, S. WR (ARI)

87 Taylor, C. RB (CHI)

86 Hester, D. WR (CHI)

85 McFadden, D. RB (OAK)

Round 7

84 Rivers, P. QB (SDG)

83 Meachem, R. WR (NOR)

82 Bryant, D. WR (DAL)

81 Jackson, F. RB (BUF)

80 Bradshaw, A. RB (NYG)

79 Wallace, M. WR (PIT)

78 Edelman, J. WR (NWE)

77 Tate, B. RB (HOU)

76 Moss, S. WR (WAS)

75 Spiller, C. RB (BUF)

74 Gonzalez, T. TE (ATL)

73 Driver, D. WR (GNB)

Round 6

72 Cutler, J. QB (CHI)

71 Houshmandzadeh, T. WR (SEA)

70 Aromashodu, D. WR (CHI)

69 Barber, M. RB (DAL)

68 Brady, T. QB (NWE)

67 Williams, R. RB (MIA)

66 Jacobs, B. RB (NYG)

65 Maclin, J. WR (PHI)

64 Floyd, M. WR (SDG)

63 Daniels, O. TE (HOU)

62 Forsett, J. RB (SEA)

61 Bowe, D. WR (KAN)

 

[buck naked]

Gromek: I am very surprised that you posted the names of the teams along with the players. I personally know 4 of the guys in your draft, so getting to see who they like early is a gift to me and the rest of the high stakes fantasy community.

But if it was me on that list, I would be very unhappy with you.

 

[Ksquared]

Buck

I don't think listing the team names is a big deal - he is doing a service by providing the information to the board. If keeping your identity and draft plans secret, you should have different team names for each of your teams. I know I would if I was worried and playing in $1000+ leagues.

I just don't think it is the responsibility of the poster to remove the team names - if the individual's names were included, I would agree that would not be good.

 

[massraider]

Gromek: I am very surprised that you posted the names of the teams along with the players. I personally know 4 of the guys in your draft, so getting to see who they like early is a gift to me and the rest of the high stakes fantasy community.But if it was me on that list, I would be very unhappy with you.

If I was Gromek, I would say tough noogies. Anyone drafting in mid-July isn't expecting complete confidentiality, I hope.

 

[Team Legacy]

To echo buck naked's posting,

It is generally accepted as bad form to post which high stakes playesr drafted who. This has been a repeated request of the high stakes community for years. You can name the players drafted all you want, but I'd refrain from posting the name of the high stakes player who drafted it.

Having said that, I was in JUST your shoes last week in a draft I participated in after going WR/WR, I was surely going to to take 2 running backs at the 3/4 turn and when it got to me at 3.12, I was hard pressed to turn down the WR talent still there on the board. It leads me to believe that IF this holds up, come September, I would NOT draft 2 WRs at the 1/2 turn but instead would go RB/WR and follow it up with the same.

 

[baconisgood]

FYI, it's bad form to post which high stakes playesr drafted who. This has been a repeated request of the high stakes community for years. You can name the players all you want, but I'd refrain from posting the name of the high stakes player who drafted it. Having said that, I was in JUST your shoes last week in a draft I participated in after going WR/WR, I was surely going to to take 2 running backs at the 3/4 turn and when it got to me at 3.12, I was hard pressed to turn down the WR talent still there on the board. It leads me to believe that IF this holds up, come September, I would NOT draft 2 WRs at the 1/2 turn but instead would go RB/WR and follow it up with the same.

While I think that many who request this have legitimate reasons for doing so I think the overall request is totally illegitimate. Unwritten rules like this heavily favor those with more insider knowledge and connections and those with looser ethics. There are many high stakes players who draft and discuss drafts together and there is no way of stopping this information flow in those circles- preventing (or even just discouraging) these discussions in public forums gives them the advantage of having a larger 'database' than players without those connections. There is plenty of opportunity in online drafts for anonymity if you so choose- team names and draft picks should be considered public data as there is simply no way to stop its flow.

 

[Alex - FFPC]

FYI, it's bad form to post which high stakes playesr drafted who. This has been a repeated request of the high stakes community for years. You can name the players all you want, but I'd refrain from posting the name of the high stakes player who drafted it. Having said that, I was in JUST your shoes last week in a draft I participated in after going WR/WR, I was surely going to to take 2 running backs at the 3/4 turn and when it got to me at 3.12, I was hard pressed to turn down the WR talent still there on the board. It leads me to believe that IF this holds up, come September, I would NOT draft 2 WRs at the 1/2 turn but instead would go RB/WR and follow it up with the same.

While I think that many who request this have legitimate reasons for doing so I think the overall request is totally illegitimate. Unwritten rules like this heavily favor those with more insider knowledge and connections and those with looser ethics. There are many high stakes players who draft and discuss drafts together and there is no way of stopping this information flow in those circles- preventing (or even just discouraging) these discussions in public forums gives them the advantage of having a larger 'database' than players without those connections. There is plenty of opportunity in online drafts for anonymity if you so choose- team names and draft picks should be considered public data as there is simply no way to stop its flow.

I can say that in our experience, the high stakes fantasy football players in FFPC have been very respectful of this "unwritten" rule. As a matter of fact, entire draft results ure usually withheld from being posted and owners simply post their own rosters. I am speaking of the FFPC message boards of course, so it is more of an enclosed enviroment. As a player myself, I have little issues with other players posting entire draft results BUT I completely expect owners/team names to be withheld. There's obviously no rule that can enforce this but it's a matter of common courtesy in my opinion.

 

[baconisgood]

FYI, it's bad form to post which high stakes playesr drafted who. This has been a repeated request of the high stakes community for years. You can name the players all you want, but I'd refrain from posting the name of the high stakes player who drafted it.

Having said that, I was in JUST your shoes last week in a draft I participated in after going WR/WR, I was surely going to to take 2 running backs at the 3/4 turn and when it got to me at 3.12, I was hard pressed to turn down the WR talent still there on the board. It leads me to believe that IF this holds up, come September, I would NOT draft 2 WRs at the 1/2 turn but instead would go RB/WR and follow it up with the same.

While I think that many who request this have legitimate reasons for doing so I think the overall request is totally illegitimate. Unwritten rules like this heavily favor those with more insider knowledge and connections and those with looser ethics. There are many high stakes players who draft and discuss drafts together and there is no way of stopping this information flow in those circles- preventing (or even just discouraging) these discussions in public forums gives them the advantage of having a larger 'database' than players without those connections.

There is plenty of opportunity in online drafts for anonymity if you so choose- team names and draft picks should be considered public data as there is simply no way to stop its flow.

I can say that in our experience, the high stakes fantasy football players in FFPC have been very respectful of this "unwritten" rule. As a matter of fact, entire draft results ure usually withheld from being posted and owners simply post their own rosters. I am speaking of the FFPC message boards of course, so it is more of an enclosed enviroment.

As a player myself, I have little issues with other players posting entire draft results BUT I completely expect owners/team names to be withheld. There's obviously no rule that can enforce this but it's a matter of common courtesy in my opinion.

The problem I have with it isn't that I think that high stakes players are surreptitiously posting entire drafts- its that high stakes players are almost certainly sharing information like this outside of forums. This rules benefits those who have been in the game a long time and already have a large database on other players while pressuring newer players not to use what amounts to public information to catch up.

 

[buck naked]

Sorry that I took this thread off point. So we have different opinions - that could have been expected.

I did appreciate the OP's thread and discussion, so I hope we get back on track with strategy talk.

 

[prgromek]

Guys,

This is the first time I've checked in on the thread since I posted the last 15 rounds of the draft. I apologize for including recognizable team names. It wasn't my intent. I did a quick cut and paste without realizing that I was including that info. I should have been more careful. If anybody that was in this league saw this and took offense, I apologize. I've edited the post and removed the team names.

Paul Gromek

 

[Mister CIA]

I don't dislike your team, but I think I would have gone Calvin Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, Michael Crabtree, Jahvid Best with picks 1-4. Two Lions = Win! While I think Celek is a nice player, I'd have gone with RB or WR #3 here.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't care for your team, especially compared to some others in that league. But that probably means you'll win going away. Good luck!

 

[prgromek]

I'm doing another WCOFF satellite tonight. I have the 12th pick again. I will likely go with a similar strategy.

 

[prgromek]

just completed a WCOFF $220 satellite draft. I went WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-RB-RB-RB-RB-RB. I waited until the end on QBs.

QB - Matt Cassel (13.12), Matthew Stafford (14.1), Mark Sanchez (19.12)

RB - CJ Spiller (6.1), Brandon Jacobs (7.12), Steve Slaton (8.1), Jerome Harrison (9.12), Chester Taylor (10.1), Correll Buckhalter (16.1)

WR - Miles Austin (1.12), Brandon Marshall (2.1), Michael Crabtree (3.12), Mike Sims-Walker (4.1), Chris Chambers (11.12), Donnie Avery (12.1), Josh Morgan (15.12)

TE - Jermichael Finley (5.12), Greg Olsen (18.1)

Round 1

AP

CJ

Gore

Andre Johnson

MJD

Rice

Fitz

R Wayne

R Moss

DeAngelo Williams

M Turner

M Austin

Round 2

B Marshall

D Brees

P Manning

S Jackson

R Mendenhall

A Rodgers

Calvin Johnson

R White

R Matthews

D Jackson

M Colston

T Brady

Round 3

S Rice

G Jennings

S Smith (NYG)

R Grant

J Charles

L McCoy

P Thomas

A Boldin

S Greene

D Clark

S Smith (CAR)

M Crabtree

Round 4

M Sims-Walker

K Moreno

J Addai

T Romo

C Wells

C Benson

C OchoCinco

A Gates

D Bowe

B Tate

M Forte

R Brown

Round 5

J Stewart

F Jones

B Celek

M Schaub

V Davis

H Nicks

W Welker

J Best

J Witten

P Garcon

J Maclin

J Finley

 

[massraider]

God, I'd take Stafford in the 14th all day.

 

[TheWick]

I would have taken a RB at 4.01 for sure...expecially since Moreno made it.

 

[buck naked]

I would have taken a RB at 4.01 for sure...expecially since Moreno made it.

I'd have to agree with this. Sims-Walker is nothing special at 4.01. You also have CJ Spiller vastly overrated. For your first RB, you need something better than that.Good QB's for that late.I appreciate the post and your strategy. Many people don't have the guts to do that.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Gromek: I am very surprised that you posted the names of the teams along with the players. I personally know 4 of the guys in your draft, so getting to see who they like early is a gift to me and the rest of the high stakes fantasy community.But if it was me on that list, I would be very unhappy with you.

Never understood this thinking? Is this Baseball what a unwritten rule, like stealing when your winning by a couple of runs. You want guys to post who they pick, so if no one wants others to see who they picked, what do you have? Nothing. So you won't post any of your drafts? I guess no one else should either. Why post rookie drafts, rankings or anything to do with Football players. What would Footballguys be without posting drafts rankings?I shot a 92 Today by the way, am I giving anything away?

 

[prgromek]

I would have taken a RB at 4.01 for sure...expecially since Moreno made it.

I'd have to agree with this. Sims-Walker is nothing special at 4.01. You also have CJ Spiller vastly overrated. For your first RB, you need something better than that.Good QB's for that late.I appreciate the post and your strategy. Many people don't have the guts to do that.

Thanks for the thoughts.I would have taken McCoy or P. Thomas had they been there at 4.1. I also considered Reggie Bush. Looking back, I might have been better off going with Moreno or Addai there.

 

[Captain Hook]

just completed a WCOFF $220 satellite draft. I went WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-RB-RB-RB-RB-RB. I waited until the end on QBs.QB - Matt Cassel (13.12), Matthew Stafford (14.1), Mark Sanchez (19.12)RB - CJ Spiller (6.1), Brandon Jacobs (7.12), Steve Slaton (8.1), Jerome Harrison (9.12), Chester Taylor (10.1), Correll Buckhalter (16.1)WR - Miles Austin (1.12), Brandon Marshall (2.1), Michael Crabtree (3.12), Mike Sims-Walker (4.1), Chris Chambers (11.12), Donnie Avery (12.1), Josh Morgan (15.12)TE - Jermichael Finley (5.12), Greg Olsen (18.1)

Sorry but I don't like that team much - the WR are not good enough to carry below average RB and QB

 

[prgromek]

just completed a WCOFF $220 satellite draft. I went WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-RB-RB-RB-RB-RB. I waited until the end on QBs.QB - Matt Cassel (13.12), Matthew Stafford (14.1), Mark Sanchez (19.12)RB - CJ Spiller (6.1), Brandon Jacobs (7.12), Steve Slaton (8.1), Jerome Harrison (9.12), Chester Taylor (10.1), Correll Buckhalter (16.1)WR - Miles Austin (1.12), Brandon Marshall (2.1), Michael Crabtree (3.12), Mike Sims-Walker (4.1), Chris Chambers (11.12), Donnie Avery (12.1), Josh Morgan (15.12)TE - Jermichael Finley (5.12), Greg Olsen (18.1)

Sorry but I don't like that team much - the WR are not good enough to carry below average RB and QB

My best team in this format last year utilized this strategy. That is probably why I have become fond of using it in the PPR format. You usually seem to end up with a team that doesn't look great on paper. My thinking was to get 3-4 WRs and an elite TE that will see a boatload of targets, then grab a handful of committee RBs with upside and hope a couple pan out. Of course you need your "elite" WRs to perform that way, but I seem to feel more comfortable taking these top WRs over some of these RBs that are going in the first four rounds. There just seems to be more downside with the RBs.

 

[MrSoup]

Was this 1.5 PPR for TE's?

 

[prgromek]

Was this 1.5 PPR for TE's?

no, just standard 1 PPR

 

[MrSoup]

Thank you.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am not familiar with the scoring of these leagues so the strong early take on WRs has me scratching my head. Can you shed some light?

 

[two_dollars]

I am not familiar with the scoring of these leagues so the strong early take on WRs has me scratching my head. Can you shed some light?

PPR, must start 3 wr, possibility of starting 4.

 

[TheWick]

I would have taken a RB at 4.01 for sure...expecially since Moreno made it.

I'd have to agree with this. Sims-Walker is nothing special at 4.01. You also have CJ Spiller vastly overrated. For your first RB, you need something better than that.Good QB's for that late.I appreciate the post and your strategy. Many people don't have the guts to do that.

Thanks for the thoughts.I would have taken McCoy or P. Thomas had they been there at 4.1. I also considered Reggie Bush. Looking back, I might have been better off going with Moreno or Addai there.

You see Lesean McCoy putting up better numbers than Knowshon this year? Injury concerns?I'm just looking for your angle on this one. Knowshon might not be aon a dynamite offense but he should get the ball ALOT. I see him much safer than both of those guys.Not bashing at all just wondering if I might be off on this.

 

[Team Legacy]

just completed a WCOFF $220 satellite draft. I went WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-RB-RB-RB-RB-RB. I waited until the end on QBs.QB - Matt Cassel (13.12), Matthew Stafford (14.1), Mark Sanchez (19.12)RB - CJ Spiller (6.1), Brandon Jacobs (7.12), Steve Slaton (8.1), Jerome Harrison (9.12), Chester Taylor (10.1), Correll Buckhalter (16.1)WR - Miles Austin (1.12), Brandon Marshall (2.1), Michael Crabtree (3.12), Mike Sims-Walker (4.1), Chris Chambers (11.12), Donnie Avery (12.1), Josh Morgan (15.12)TE - Jermichael Finley (5.12), Greg Olsen (18.1)

Sorry but I don't like that team much - the WR are not good enough to carry below average RB and QB

My best team in this format last year utilized this strategy. That is probably why I have become fond of using it in the PPR format. You usually seem to end up with a team that doesn't look great on paper. My thinking was to get 3-4 WRs and an elite TE that will see a boatload of targets, then grab a handful of committee RBs with upside and hope a couple pan out. Of course you need your "elite" WRs to perform that way, but I seem to feel more comfortable taking these top WRs over some of these RBs that are going in the first four rounds. There just seems to be more downside with the RBs.

The statistics show that waiting on your RB1 and going WR-WR is VERY difficult to win your league. The odds are very low. Somebody did a study on this and I think the % was less than 5% of teams that do this win their league. The fact that you push the envelope even greater and not take a RB until the 6th, likely means you have to defy history to avoid certain disaster.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Thanks for sharing.

Not bad. Really liked Austin & Marshall. Agree with the others you should have went RB with at least one of 3.12/4.01. I think going both WR's really handcuffed you for the rest of the draft. But everything is easier to say looking back now.

Jacobs & Harrison were nice gets that late. Maybe Spiller helps later in the year. It really could have turned out a lot worse for you at that position. (If Harrison's not the Week 1 starter, you could be in some trouble -- I think he will be however).

I'm concerned with your QB's as much as anything. (2 2nd year QB's & a QB that was abysmal last year -- Just IMO I wouldn't feel comfortable with that combo at QB.

 

[bagger]

Dwayne Bowe @6.1 seems like a serious mistake. You are drafting your 4th WR- a Bench player- before your #2 RB? I know "value" is the name of the game- but the value of someone who is going to start 3-5 games for you is much, much lower than one who is going to start 10+ games for you.

you can start 4 WR (3 + flex), so I can start Bowe every week

this.WRs are easily the most underrated position in WCOFF.

 

[bagger]

just completed a WCOFF $220 satellite draft. I went WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-RB-RB-RB-RB-RB. I waited until the end on QBs.QB - Matt Cassel (13.12), Matthew Stafford (14.1), Mark Sanchez (19.12)RB - CJ Spiller (6.1), Brandon Jacobs (7.12), Steve Slaton (8.1), Jerome Harrison (9.12), Chester Taylor (10.1), Correll Buckhalter (16.1)WR - Miles Austin (1.12), Brandon Marshall (2.1), Michael Crabtree (3.12), Mike Sims-Walker (4.1), Chris Chambers (11.12), Donnie Avery (12.1), Josh Morgan (15.12)TE - Jermichael Finley (5.12), Greg Olsen (18.1)

Sorry but I don't like that team much - the WR are not good enough to carry below average RB and QB

yeah i agree despite the fact i dont mind getting 3 of your top 4 picks with a WR...he needed to find one RB who had value in the first 4.but then again he can save the $1k in bid money and plunk it all down on a breakout RB.

 

[Captain Hook]

It is amazing that Brady is falling into the 6th round in these things.

Not really - passing TDs are only four points and now there are several QBs you would pick over Brady