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I can agree with alot of that. I don't think my post was absolutely right. I like the TB running game more than I like Graham. I really like their Oline and the division they have to run against. Their Oline is young (especially the guards) and only getting better. Add in the fact that they don't have a star qb, and probably won't for awhile and you get good production out of the rb position. I do have Bennett also but I think Graham is a better fit for the offense as of right now. I am alittle worried about this holdout but I think Graham will be there when he has to and hopefully get rewarded alittle.
Cadillac Williams is still around also.I think he ran hard last season, and I like the kid. I hope he gets his shot.
The Bucs aren't cheap, they are smart. Why pay tons of money to a 38 year old QB and a mediocre RB?
Because they have the money and they told Garcia they would, since they cost him money by benching him...as for Graham, I would mostly agree...but this is the way the Bucs work, why do you think McCardell heldout and actually stayed out, he was lied to and didnt like it, why do you think Derrick Brooks did a few years back, a great player with plenty of money, cause it was his turn and he was repeatedly told he would get his money, finally he had to take a stand...I dont think its a coincedence...they are not keeping their word when they talk to these guys, and it makes the organization look bad, I bet other players around the league hear this stuff and I bet they may have lost a few players because of it, they had a ton of money this offseason and only sign Jeff Faine and a bunch of scrubs...hmmmm...
All reports that I have read, says that Caddie won't be playing this season with the bucs, so they better pay some money or good luck with the running game this season.
Caddy is done...bank it...if he ever comes back he will still be worthless anyway...
Both Dunn and Graham made the Buy Low Sell High RBs article coming out this week. Only Michael Turner, Marion Barber, and Julius Jones got paid more among FA RBs this year - Dunn is going to have a pretty big role.
Dunn better have more left than he showed last year in Atlanta then. That was painful to watch.Sigmund Bloom said:QUEZILLA said:RJS113 said:
Both Dunn and Graham made the Buy Low Sell High RBs article coming out this week. Only Michael Turner, Marion Barber, and Julius Jones got paid more among FA RBs this year - Dunn is going to have a pretty big role.
except right now, he's not filling in for anyone. He is the guy. Dunn looked absolutly brutal last year and bennett isnt the answer anywhere. I agree that i wouldn't want him past this season (as i have to believe they will address the position) but i own him in my 5 man keeper (1 must be a rook) and I'm thinking about holding on to him. (granted i dont have a ton of great options) He'll be a decent RB2 this year, especially in a PPR
For Graham owners worried about Dunn, look at this split
unn at 30 years old or younger: 1,970 carries for 8,321 yards (4.2 YPC) & 404 recepts for 3,601 yards (8.9 YPR)Dunn at 31+ the past two seasons: 513 carries for 1,860 yards (3.6 YPC) & 59 recepts for 408 yards (6.9 YPR) Also, Dunn is 33 heading into the season, and coming off a 227 carry year where he averaged 3.2. The guy is as classy as it gets, but class won't beat Father Time.
He'll probably be fine but if he chirps too much and the team brings a Kevin Jones or other free agent, where does he stand then? That's the problem when you're the "starter" but aren't very talented. I wouldn't count out Dunn, he's a pro and they went out and signed him, it's not as if he was on their roster. Looking at his receiving stats, he did have a nice year catching the ball. I'd imagine the Garcia situation bears watching because he is a pretty efficient QB and the best one they have on the roster. If they lose Garcia (which I doubt will happen) I'd down grade their whole offense quite a bit.
Dunn is 33 years old, 3 years removed from his career year, ypc 5.1, 4.0, 3.2 the last three years. I doubt that they are looking at Dunn as the starter.
I don't think he'll be the starter either but you can discount his 3.2 to being on a horrid team. In Graham's "good year" he avg'd 4.0 on a team that won their division and supposedly has a good line. Dunn is a good runner and has 265, 280, 286 and 228 carries over the last 4 years and he also had 37 catches for 238 yards last year. In his 13 games as a starter last year Graham had 199 carries. If it ends up being a 2/3 1/3 split what does that do for Graham's value? There's just a lot of uncertainty around that situation. If I had Graham I would definitely look to deal him for a more stable situation and I certainly am not looking to get him in any format. I have no axe to grind, just my 2 cents...
You're right, but for 3 mil, they are definitely looking for him to do more than get a few change of pace carries - they have Bennett for that.
Yet Norwood averaged 6.0 ypc. The team was horrid but Dunn wasn't the player he used to be either.
yet Norwood had 100 carries which is less than 1/2 of Dunn's total with Dunn coming off back surgery and missing most of the preseason. I wonder why the team wasn't smart enough to see that Norwood was the better player? Last year, the year before...and then they go out and get a new starter leaving Norwood in the same/diminished role. YPC is pretty meaningless to me when you are averaging 6 carries a game..big runs distort the average. No, Dunn's not the player but he still may be as good as Graham is now. People have been selling Dunn short for years but he's been a good back for a long time. Put in a lesser role, i.e. 140-160 carries he may be fresher and more effective which could kill Graham's value....Think D. Foster with a few more TD's...
I think this is the key to the argument. How good is Graham? He can catch, but he definitely doesn't fit JG's preferred mold for RB.
