Ebola

[Sinn Fein]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

 

[Das Boot]

http://fusion.net/video/20107/dr-aileen-marty-tells-fusion-what-she-saw-fighting-ebola-in-nigeria/

Apparently if they're coming into the country somewhere other than the 5 airports where screening has been arranged, even doctors who have been working on ebola in the hot zone countries are free to waltz right in without so much as answering a question.

But it's ok, we got this. Amurica YEAH!

what are you worried is going to happen?

Probably the same thing that the people who set up screening at 5 international airports are worried about. That someone else will needlessly catch this disease which is fatal 70% of the time when we could have prevented it.

youre worried a single person will die from a disease brought in from outside this country. You should consider resetting your expectations. That boat sailed sometime in the 1700s.

I know you're feeling awful. Smug and superior, but yes if we have a communicable disease with a 70% fatality rate, I may be old fashioned but I do think we should take every precaution, particularly when we've failed so far to give it the respect it deserves both here and in the hot zone countries. Maybe if we had thrown some resources at this instead of being so smug, West Africa wouldn't be in the position that it is currently in.

cracks me up that people are being so cavalier about this...its that attitude that would be our undoing if everyone felt that way

There are far more dangerous things in our country that are getting less attention - on a per death basis.

The attention it's getting is what will keep it from killing tens of millions in this and other countries.

Exactly.

And hopefully.

 

[Parrothead]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

you should forward this info to the White House.. seems we are wasting our resources in f'n Africa..

 

[matuski]

My hotel in Dallas that I have stayed at 110+ nights the last 15 months chose not to share with me that they were hosting the CDC.

I was already avoiding Dallas Presby despite it being one of my largest accounts, a bit pissed the hotel didn't tell me.

Had to find out on the last day of a three day trip when a person started asking me questions. Turns out she was a reporter and assumed I knew something since I was in scrubs. wtf.

Needless to say I need a new home base in Dallas.

 

[jamny]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

How is this other disease that is paralyzing and killing kids not getting more attention. Like I said, it need to hire Ebola's PR department.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

So Boston is overreacting again? Typical. Maybe they will shut down the city for a house-to-house search again. That was fun to watch.

hope they are overreacting because the first responders from the Braintree FD weren't wearing protective gear

The guy most likely does not have Ebola. I think the Ebola drill went okay. The suspect walked into the clinic at 1:30pm and was jailed in less than 3 hours.

 

[Psychopav]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

Well, one issue is that 70% of people who catch this will die from it. Another lesser issue is that it is much easier to transmit than HIV, or pneumonia or diarrhea which are not even communicable afaik.

 

[ghostguy123]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

Well, one issue is that 70% of people who catch this will die from it. Another lesser issue is that it is much easier to transmit than HIV, or pneumonia or diarrhea which are not even communicable afaik.

Pneumonia is contagious. Not all, but a lot of types are. Kinda hard to catch also, but it can certainly be contagious.

And yeah, Ebola is way worse that those other listed diseases.

I mean, it hasn't spread all over, but if it did it would be 1000x worse than all those combined seeing as how the mortality rate is real high, and quick.

I would HOPE in this day and age though, if there really was a serious outbreak of ebola we would be able to keep it from spreading like wildfire. But I guess there are enough stupid people out there from preventing that.

 

[Guest]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

Well, one issue is that 70% of people who catch this will die from it. Another lesser issue is that it is much easier to transmit than HIV, or pneumonia or diarrhea which are not even communicable afaik.

The issue is that the rate this is spreading currently would see millions dead by the middle of next year if the number of newly infected patients per Ebola patient does not slow below the approximately 2.8 that it sits currently. The disease has a similar infection rate to HIV, but the name number of infections happen in days instead of over several years, and Ebola can be caught by touching surfaces infected with the virus. The math here is scary until the number of newly infected slows to below 1. At over 2, it will eventually break out to an uncontainable problem. The fact the world is slow to realize this, and we have so much difficulty dealing with individual cases, is alarming.

 

[shader]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

You obviously don't get it, do you?

 

[pollardsvision]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

Which of those diseases would you least like to get?

Let's assume you aren't a child under 5 living in Africa.

 

[shader]

The reason that the US gov't and many other governments are spending so much time, is that if left unchecked, Ebola would kill a billion people on the planet. Obviously I don't believe that will happen. But that's why people are taking this so seriously. It's a lethal, killer virus.

 

[Doug B]

... and Ebola can be caught by touching surfaces infected with the virus. .

Not merely through skin contact, though, right? It has to get into either a mucous membrane (eyes, nose, mouth) or into the bloodstream.

Is the ebola virus known to last on surfaces? IOW, does it have to have a carrier medium (e.g. ebola patient pukes on a stool, the stoll is "hot" because of the virus-ridden vomit is on the stool -- vomit is the carrier medium)?

That's one thing I thought I knew abou ebola -- that it didn't spread through any more effective mechanisms than other human pathogens. That, transmission-wise, ebola is an ordinary virus. It's just that once you get it, it's extremely serious.

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Also, what is Western medicine's (Western facilities') hit rate against ebola? Is it known? I know Duncan perished, but he was also misdiagnosed initially. Once the Western medical facilities get their arms around the diagnostics, can't Western hospitals improve the survival rate over the field hospitals in West Africa? Doctors without Borders saves many thousands of lives, but they are hamstrung by lack of resources in the field.

 

[The Commish]

... and Ebola can be caught by touching surfaces infected with the virus. .

Not merely through skin contact, though, right? It has to get into either a mucous membrane (eyes, nose, mouth) or into the bloodstream.

Is the ebola virus known to last on surfaces? IOW, does it have to have a carrier medium (e.g. ebola patient pukes on a stool, the stoll is "hot" because of the virus-ridden vomit is on the stool -- vomit is the carrier medium)?

That's one thing I thought I knew abou ebola -- that it didn't spread through any more effective mechanisms than other human pathogens. That, transmission-wise, ebola is an ordinary virus. It's just that once you get it, it's extremely serious.

...

Also, what is Western medicine's (Western facilities') hit rate against ebola? Is it known? I know Duncan perished, but he was also misdiagnosed initially. Once the Western medical facilities get their arms around the diagnostics, can't Western hospitals improve the survival rate over the field hospitals in West Africa? Doctors without Borders saves many thousands of lives, but they are hamstrung by lack of resources in the field.

All it takes is you to touch a surface then cover your mouth to cough, sneeze, rub your eye etc. It's technically not "airborne" but it can survive hours on surfaces. IMO, our medical "experts" are doing us a disservice in trying to "calm" everyone and not have panic. I think a little panic is good in these situations...at least be as upfront as possible about how it can pass, how resilient it is etc.

 

[Doug B]

IMO, our medical "experts" are doing us a disservice in trying to "calm" everyone and not have panic. I think a little panic is good in these situations...at least be as upfront as possible about how it can pass, how resilient it is etc.

Panic towards what end, though? What are ordinary Americans, many miles away from contact with Duncan, not doing now that they should be doing?

As far as informing people how Ebola spreads ... the people around me generally overestimate -- and not underestimate -- how fast/efectively ebola spreads. The folks that are downplaying ebola now are kind of reacting to those "we're all gonna die!" takes.

 

[Jobber]

One thing of concern as well is that our hospitals, while world class for the most part, are not ready for this. I've seen stories of one or two US ER's being closed at least for a short while, due to suspicion of being infected with Ebola. What happens when you have dozens/hundreds/thousands of infected across the country?

On top of that, at what point do health care workers stop showing up to work?

 

[pollardsvision]

IMO, our medical "experts" are doing us a disservice in trying to "calm" everyone and not have panic. I think a little panic is good in these situations...at least be as upfront as possible about how it can pass, how resilient it is etc.

Panic towards what end, though? What are ordinary Americans, many miles away from contact with Duncan, not doing now that they should be doing?

As far as informing people how Ebola spreads ... the people around me generally overestimate -- and not underestimate -- how fast/efectively ebola spreads. The folks that are downplaying ebola now are kind of reacting to those "we're all gonna die!" takes.

Obviously, panic isn't the right approach, but I really haven't seen the panic folks seem to be worried about.

Like everything else in this country, folks immediately fall into their predictable camps really quickly, and make assumptions about the other camp.

Smart liberals telling people there's nothing to worry about and making internet memes explaining how hard it is to catch it to help out the dumb conservatives they think are about to riot.

I love making fun of conservatives, but I haven't seen the riots in the street. Obviously, the introduction of a deadly virus that many hospitals aren't equipped to deal with into the U.S should be a concern. You can be concerned without panicking.

 

[The Commish]

IMO, our medical "experts" are doing us a disservice in trying to "calm" everyone and not have panic. I think a little panic is good in these situations...at least be as upfront as possible about how it can pass, how resilient it is etc.

Panic towards what end, though? What are ordinary Americans, many miles away from contact with Duncan, not doing now that they should be doing?

As far as informing people how Ebola spreads ... the people around me generally overestimate -- and not underestimate -- how fast/efectively ebola spreads. The folks that are downplaying ebola now are kind of reacting to those "we're all gonna die!" takes.

I guess my issue is, one doesn't "downplay" to the other extreme with the "nothing to see here...we are 100% safe" being trotted out there by the CDC. If left uneducated about the disease, it'll be a problem quickly. There are aid workers who are 100% confident they have followed their protocols to a "T" and still wind up getting it. It's MUCH more contractible than what our very own CDC is willing to admit publicly. It doesn't take long for your first two questions to become bad strawman as it will be right next door to those who are miles away right now.

 

[Doug B]

[Ebola is] MUCH more contractible than what our very own CDC is willing to admit publicly. It doesn't take long for your first two questions to become bad strawman as it will be right next door to those who are miles away right now.

...

This is a strong statement. What is the reality (if known[?]) versus what the CDC is saying.

For what it's worth, below is an excerpt from the Public Health Agency of Canada's ebolavirus advisory page. Is anything below known to be patently incorrect? I understand new information may come out as ongoing research bears fruit, but I'm curious as to the "there's something behind the curtain" opinions.

MODE OF TRANSMISSION: In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal. Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death. Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids for example due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids. Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals.In laboratory settings, non-human primates exposed to aerosolized ebolavirus from pigs have become infected, however, airborne transmission has not been demonstrated between non-human primates. Viral shedding has been observed in nasopharyngeal secretions and rectal swabs of pigs following experimental inoculation.

INCUBATION PERIOD: Two to 21 days.

COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, body fluids or organs, contain the virus. Ebolavirus has been isolated from semen 61 to 82 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery

...

SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DISINFECTANTS: Ebolavirus is susceptible to 3% acetic acid, 1% glutaraldehyde, alcohol-based products, and dilutions (1:10-1:100 for ≥10 minutes) of 5.25% household bleach (sodium hypochlorite), and calcium hypochlorite (bleach powder). The WHO recommendations for cleaning up spills of blood or body fluids suggest flooding the area with a 1:10 dilutions of 5.25% household bleach for 10 minutes for surfaces that can tolerate stronger bleach solutions (e.g., cement, metal). For surfaces that may corrode or discolour, they recommend careful cleaning to remove visible stains followed by contact with a 1:100 dilution of 5.25% household bleach for more than 10 minutes.

PHYSICAL INACTIVATION: Ebola are moderately thermolabile and can be inactivated by heating for 30 minutes to 60 minutes at 60°C, boiling for 5 minutes, or gamma irradiation (1.2 x106 rads to 1.27 x106 rads) combined with 1% glutaraldehyde. Ebolavirus has also been determined to be moderately sensitive to UVC radiation.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C). One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa). When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting.

A study on transmission of ebolavirus from fomites in an isolation ward concludes that the risk of transmission is low when recommended infection control guidelines for viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed. Infection control protocols included decontamination of floors with 0.5% bleach daily and decontamination of visibly contaminated surfaces with 0.05% bleach as necessary.

 

[Doug B]

There are aid workers who are 100% confident they have followed their protocols to a "T" and still wind up getting it.

I think the aid workers would admit that they go in knowing the protocols are not 100% effective. There is especially extra risk when the biohazard suits are being removed. Perhaps a better process is in the works (e.g. showering down the biohazard suit in bleach solution & steam before removal).

 

[The Commish]

[Ebola is] MUCH more contractible than what our very own CDC is willing to admit publicly. It doesn't take long for your first two questions to become bad strawman as it will be right next door to those who are miles away right now.

...

This is a strong statement. What is the reality (if known[?]) versus what the CDC is saying.

For what it's worth, below is an excerpt from the Public Health Agency of Canada's ebolavirus advisory page. Is anything below known to be patently incorrect? I understand new information may come out as ongoing research bears fruit, but I'm curious as to the "there's something behind the curtain" opinions.

MODE OF TRANSMISSION: In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal. Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death. Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids for example due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids. Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals.In laboratory settings, non-human primates exposed to aerosolized ebolavirus from pigs have become infected, however, airborne transmission has not been demonstrated between non-human primates. Viral shedding has been observed in nasopharyngeal secretions and rectal swabs of pigs following experimental inoculation.

INCUBATION PERIOD: Two to 21 days.

COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, body fluids or organs, contain the virus. Ebolavirus has been isolated from semen 61 to 82 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery

...

SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DISINFECTANTS: Ebolavirus is susceptible to 3% acetic acid, 1% glutaraldehyde, alcohol-based products, and dilutions (1:10-1:100 for ≥10 minutes) of 5.25% household bleach (sodium hypochlorite), and calcium hypochlorite (bleach powder). The WHO recommendations for cleaning up spills of blood or body fluids suggest flooding the area with a 1:10 dilutions of 5.25% household bleach for 10 minutes for surfaces that can tolerate stronger bleach solutions (e.g., cement, metal). For surfaces that may corrode or discolour, they recommend careful cleaning to remove visible stains followed by contact with a 1:100 dilution of 5.25% household bleach for more than 10 minutes.

PHYSICAL INACTIVATION: Ebola are moderately thermolabile and can be inactivated by heating for 30 minutes to 60 minutes at 60°C, boiling for 5 minutes, or gamma irradiation (1.2 x106 rads to 1.27 x106 rads) combined with 1% glutaraldehyde. Ebolavirus has also been determined to be moderately sensitive to UVC radiation.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C). One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa). When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting.

A study on transmission of ebolavirus from fomites in an isolation ward concludes that the risk of transmission is low when recommended infection control guidelines for viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed. Infection control protocols included decontamination of floors with 0.5% bleach daily and decontamination of visibly contaminated surfaces with 0.05% bleach as necessary.

Incorrect? No. But as for transfer, it's not complete IMO. This is something that can be passed simply by an infected person having a runny nose, touching a door knob, then another person touching said door knob and rubbing their eyes. It seems the social situations need to be made crystal clear, yet not mentioned in this description other than "close personal contact" which, while true, is incomplete.

 

[Doug B]

[Ebola] is something that can be passed simply by an infected person having a runny nose, touching a door knob, then another person touching said door knob and rubbing their eyes. It seems the social situations need to be made crystal clear, yet not mentioned in this description other than "close personal contact" which, while true, is incomplete.

The section SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST covers this, though admittedly not in the most straightforward and digestible manner.

 

[lod01]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

You obviously don't get it, do you?

Definitely doesn't get it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

Which of those diseases would you least like to get?

Let's assume you aren't a child under 5 living in Africa.

Which am I least likely to get? Ebola

The odds of me dying from Ebola are infinitely less than any of the other diseases.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Deadliest contagious diseases

As of Sept 12 - current Ebola outbreak - 2,218 deaths

HIV/AIDS - 2012 - 1,600,000 deaths

Tuberculosis - 2012 - 1,300,000 deaths

Pneumonia - 1,100,000 deaths in children under 5

Diarrhea - 760,00 deaths in children under 5

Malaria - 627,000 deaths

Seems like ebola has a scary name, but not nearly as deadly as other diseases - perhaps if we devoted more resources to these other diseases, we could prevent more deaths...

You obviously don't get it, do you?

You are correct, I am extremely unlikely to get ebola.

 

[lod01]

Philippine Health Secretary Enrique Ona said authorities will ask more than 1,700 Filipinos working in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea to observe themselves for at least 21 days for Ebola symptoms in those countries first if they plan to return home.

Once home, they should observe themselves for another 21 days and then report the result of their self-screening to health authorities to be doubly sure they have not been infected, he said, adding that hospitals which would deal with any Ebola patients have already been identified in the Philippines.



Sounds like a great plan.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

 

[shader]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

 

[Guest]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

 

[the moops]

Huge surprise that Ham has little confidence and fears the worst. You are way too predictable my man

 

[TheIronSheik]

It's getting better in Africa

No one could get on a plane if infected

No one could be infected and make it to the US

Healthcare workers in the US are well trained enough that they won't have to worry about becoming infected

It's not airborne

It won't spread in the US

It seems like a lot of the statements that people are saying to downplay it keep getting crossed off of the "FACT" list.

 

[lod01]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

1. I'd like to know how it started over in Africa this time around.

2.I'd like to know how it is not going to pop up again in the US now that we have officially brought it over here for the 1st time ever.

3. What says there won't be an outbreak in the Dallas area sometime down the road since this infected guy arrived there.

 

[The Commish]

[Ebola] is something that can be passed simply by an infected person having a runny nose, touching a door knob, then another person touching said door knob and rubbing their eyes. It seems the social situations need to be made crystal clear, yet not mentioned in this description other than "close personal contact" which, while true, is incomplete.

The section SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST covers this, though admittedly not in the most straightforward and digestible manner.

Two points (one of which you address sorta )

1. WTF is going out and READING anything about this? They all go to the TVs and other nonprint sources now.

3. Those that DO go these sources, do we expect the average citizen to extrapolate the practical forms of transmission from that blurb?

I sure as hell don't. Most people have the attention span of a gnat and probably even less of an ability to comprehend. I think putting it in practical terms is necessary with something like this.

 

[The Commish]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

It's a myth IMO. Millions come across our borders daily and our screening process is basically the honor system. It can get here easily.

 

[T Bell]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

1. I'd like to know how it started over in Africa this time around.

2.I'd like to know how it is not going to pop up again in the US now that we have officially brought it over here for the 1st time ever.

3. What says there won't be an outbreak in the Dallas area sometime down the road since this infected guy arrived there.

If we keep electing people from Africa it's going to get bad in a hurry.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Two possible NYC cases:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ebola-patients-quarantined-nyc-hospital-sources-article-1.1972516

 

[lod01]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

1. I'd like to know how it started over in Africa this time around.

2.I'd like to know how it is not going to pop up again in the US now that we have officially brought it over here for the 1st time ever.

3. What says there won't be an outbreak in the Dallas area sometime down the road since this infected guy arrived there.

If we keep electing people from Africa it's going to get bad in a hurry.

 

[Jobber]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

1. I'd like to know how it started over in Africa this time around.

2.I'd like to know how it is not going to pop up again in the US now that we have officially brought it over here for the 1st time ever.

3. What says there won't be an outbreak in the Dallas area sometime down the road since this infected guy arrived there.

IIRC, it was traced to a child who consumed improperly cooked fruit bat soup.

 

[lod01]

Two possible NYC cases:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ebola-patients-quarantined-nyc-hospital-sources-article-1.1972516

No worries, it's only 2 more and it's unconfirmed. There are 300+ million of us in the US. More people have died of "insert disease" than Ebola this year.

More records could fall on this story.

If confirmed, these are 'the first cases in NYC' AND this is the first time 2 people at one time have entered the US carrying ebola.

 

[Bucky86]

Has anyone gotten it that hasn't been in direct contact with those with Ebola?

 

[lod01]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

1. I'd like to know how it started over in Africa this time around.

2.I'd like to know how it is not going to pop up again in the US now that we have officially brought it over here for the 1st time ever.

3. What says there won't be an outbreak in the Dallas area sometime down the road since this infected guy arrived there.

IIRC, it was traced to a child who consumed improperly cooked fruit bat soup.

Fruit....Bat....Soup. JFC, they deserve ebola.

 

[El Floppo]

Two possible NYC cases:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ebola-patients-quarantined-nyc-hospital-sources-article-1.1972516

I citibiked by there this morning on my way to work.

It's been nice knowing all of you.

- Sinn Fein- you can have my Edgar Davids Holland jersey.

- FC- I've got a bag full of hazing gear from my playing days- just don't smell too closely.

- Red can have a book of old-timey one liners left to me from my vaudevillian great uncle Schlomo.

- Iron Sheik- gotta bicycle with your name written all over it. Ride like the idiotic wind.

The rest of you can fight over the rest of my stuff

 

[ntz08]

Has anyone gotten it that hasn't been in direct contact with those with Ebola?

uh, i think you missed something about how it is transmitted. It is only transmitted through direct contact, so the answer to your question is 'No'

 

[The Commish]

Has anyone gotten it that hasn't been in direct contact with those with Ebola?

uh, i think you missed something about how it is transmitted. It is only transmitted through direct contact, so the answer to your question is 'No'

Hope this is sarcasm because it's patently false and reason I posted my concerns above.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

It's a myth IMO. Millions come across our borders daily and our screening process is basically the honor system. It can get here easily.

Plus, I love how they've announced now how they've "stepped up" Ebola screening at US airports. Now they take everyone's temperature that comes from West Africa. Feel safe? Great. Because this new stepped up screening would not have spotted the guy that made it to Dallas.

 

[The Commish]

Well, if all the chicken littles were correct before, the bird flu would have killed us all, so we are just happy to be living on borrowed time.

Hell I am more worried about the enterovirus

which is killing more kids than Ebola ever will in the US.

No one is saying for you to worry. I'm not worried about me or my family. I am, however, worried about this disease exploding through the 3rd world, killing millions and causing a major travel problem that could potentially devastate the economy. If you don't think it's possible, you aren't paying attention. It's being taken far more seriously than the bird flu. This isn't a bunch of conspiracy sites and a mass media dying for a story. This is the CDC, WHO, and many governments sounding the alarm of a potential catastrophe if it's not squashed soon.

I don't get the confidence that it cannot spread in the US. It's early yet.

It's a myth IMO. Millions come across our borders daily and our screening process is basically the honor system. It can get here easily.

Plus, I love how they've announced now how they've "stepped up" Ebola screening at US airports. Now they take everyone's temperature that comes from West Africa. Feel safe? Great. Because this new stepped up screening would not have spotted the guy that made it to Dallas.

Have a friend that works in the Vanderbilt ER and she's scared ####less about this because chances are, this spreads in those areas of this country fastest. The "screenings" are a joke IMO. Simple waste of time/resources the way they are deployed.

 

[ntz08]

Has anyone gotten it that hasn't been in direct contact with those with Ebola?

uh, i think you missed something about how it is transmitted. It is only transmitted through direct contact, so the answer to your question is 'No'

Hope this is sarcasm because it's patently false and reason I posted my concerns above.

Only if you're making the distinction between "direct contact" with symptomatic infected individual and being in direct contact with their residual bodily fluids.

We can come up with countless scenarios, but your 'doorknob' scenario would be extremely unlikely as is outlined in your own quoted text regarding survival outside the host.

 

[pollardsvision]

Whew. I knew all this handwashing to prevent the spread of disease stuff was bull####.

 

[Bucky86]

So...a random person that used the same toilet, rode in the same taxi, sat next to on a plane, or stood in line at Starbucks with an infected person hasn't caught Ebola yet?

 

[lod01]

Just bought a flamethrower. Any of these ebolites even thinks of getting near me and they are charcoal.