Edelman fumble recovery for a TD (1 Viewer)

[T J]

As most of you likely know, Julian Edelman scored a TD on kickoff fumble recovery in Thursday night's game vs. Jets.

Our rules are silent on this. I'm the commish and I believe that silence in the rules does not equate to doing nothing until next year. I'm playing the guy, but despite that, believe that a TD is a TD - period, regardless how it was scored. I believe Edelman should get credit for the TD. I posted a poll on the MFL website requiring a vote. I want the decision to be more generic in nature and not on this specific play. Basically, the poll question reads: Should an offensive player who scores a defensive TD be awarded 6pts as an indvidual? I'm abstaining from voting, but I'd certainly like to hear opinions. Whatever way the league wants to go with it is fine by me. I got demolished regardless. We do play doubleheaders though and that 6pts is the difference between a W/L in the other game and does impact playoff standings.

I do believe though that a TD is a TD, regardless how it was scored. That's how I'd want it scored if it were me anyway. And like I said, I don't believe that a ruling cannott be made since it's not in writing beforehand. I definitely do believe that a ruling, can, and should, be made one way or the other.

Thanks!

 

[Banemorth]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I had Edelman. Same situation. I didn't get the points but I am ok with it. Our default is that you go with what the website says. We have agreed to change the rule but it does not go into effect until next year. Our rules specifically state that there are not to be any rule changes during the league year.

 

[T J]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

 

[Banemorth]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

If you're awarding ST points/yardage than it should absolutely count. Just my two cents.

 

[T J]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

If you're awarding ST points/yardage than it should absolutely count. Just my two cents.

Not sure if I'm nitpciking, but we do not awared ST yardage/points, just for the individual.

 

[Don Quixote]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

If you don't do IDP, then do you have any DT/ST? I'm assuming not, since award returns on an individual basis.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

That was my arguement too but you have to have something to back up a decision. There are always going to be these quirky scoring plays that you have not accounted for when setting up your scoring system on line. If you haven't specifically designated it FOR the player then I think you dont have that much of an arguement. Take it like a man...

 

[Workhorse]

Similar situation in my league: Stevie Johnson had a forced fumble and a fumble recovery this week but didn't get points for either one. C'est la vie.

 

[T J]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

If you don't do IDP, then do you have any DT/ST? I'm assuming not, since award returns on an individual basis.

Team Defense, yes. Not Special Teams. New England D did get 6pts awarded for the TD plus another 2 for the fumble recovery - that was MFL scoring.

 

[T J]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

That was my arguement too but you have to have something to back up a decision. There are always going to be these quirky scoring plays that you have not accounted for when setting up your scoring system on line. If you haven't specifically designated it FOR the player then I think you dont have that much of an arguement. Take it like a man...

I'm the commish, so it's not me that it affects. And while I was playing him, it doesn't matter, I got killed regardless. I'm actually advocating to the league in favor of awarding those points which would make my beatingg even worse. I'm just looking for other opinions. I think the 6pts should count and I was playing against Edelman.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

Of course Edelman wouldn't get the points for an interception. You just said yourself that you score points for team defense:

Team Defense, yes. Not Special Teams. New England D did get 6pts awarded for the TD plus another 2 for the fumble recovery - that was MFL scoring.

A fumble recovery TD is a defensive TD. You don't award defensive points to individuals, you award them to the team defense. That's why the New England D got the points for the fumble recovery and the TD. In fact, I'm sure this has happened before and it never raised an eyebrow. Now all of a sudden, simply because Edelman also plays WR, you want to reinterpret the way your scoring system has always worked? If you want to change the rule for next year it's worth discussing with the league, but you can't arbitrarily decide to award Edelman the six points in this case just because he also happens to play WR.

 

[T. Bagger]

Every league is different of course, but in our league (and me personally for that matter) we feel that the individual player (Edelman in this case) should not get points for a touchdown on a play like this. Similarly, if he was playing at DB for some reason and returned an interception, the team defense would get the points, not the individual player. Back in the days when Deion Sanders was playing both ways, if you started him at receiver you wouldn't have gotten the 6 points for defensive TD if he returned an INT. It just doesn't seem right.

But as I said, that's us and our league.

 

[GregR]

Does your league already give individuals their points for causing a fumble on a special teams play? For recovering a fumble on a special teams play? For blocking a FG or punt? For causing a safety on special teams?

 

[nb009]

Similar situation in my league: Stevie Johnson had a forced fumble and a fumble recovery this week but didn't get points for either one. C'est la vie.

This is slightly different. However, I think both Bills DST and Colts DST should have both been awarded with a turnover, right?

 

[T J]

Thanks for the feedback.

I do find it interesting that the consensus is to not award the individual player a TD. I feel the opposite, but no worries.

 

[GregR]

Thanks for the feedback.I do find it interesting that the consensus is to not award the individual player a TD. I feel the opposite, but no worries.

I think there's two categories of scoring involved in special teams (edit: well, three counting place kickers). Kick returner points (yards and TDs), and defensive acts. Edelman's was a defensive act. If your league chose not to give individuals points for any of the other defensive acts that are normally considered point worthy, I think consistency says you don't give points for the defensive TD.At least until your league decides to change the rule in the off season.

 

[T J]

Thanks for the feedback.I do find it interesting that the consensus is to not award the individual player a TD. I feel the opposite, but no worries.

I think there's two categories of scoring involved in special teams (edit: well, three counting place kickers). Kick returner points (yards and TDs), and defensive acts. Edelman's was a defensive act. If your league chose not to give individuals points for any of the other defensive acts that are normally considered point worthy, I think consistency says you don't give points for the defensive TD.At least until your league decides to change the rule in the off season.

I understand. Just seems counter intuitive to me that a TD scored, regardless how, is potentially not awarded to the player scoring it.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Thanks for the feedback.I do find it interesting that the consensus is to not award the individual player a TD. I feel the opposite, but no worries.

I think there's two categories of scoring involved in special teams (edit: well, three counting place kickers). Kick returner points (yards and TDs), and defensive acts. Edelman's was a defensive act. If your league chose not to give individuals points for any of the other defensive acts that are normally considered point worthy, I think consistency says you don't give points for the defensive TD.At least until your league decides to change the rule in the off season.

I understand. Just seems counter intuitive to me that a TD scored, regardless how, is potentially not awarded to the player scoring it.

How is it counterintuitive? This happens all the time in your league. Hell, nine second before Edelman's TD, Steve Gregory returned a fumble for a TD, and I assume you didn't award him individual points for it.

 

[Statcruncher]

If you didn't have a rule to address it before your season started it's too late. Correct the rule once this season ends.

 

[T J]

Thanks for the feedback.I do find it interesting that the consensus is to not award the individual player a TD. I feel the opposite, but no worries.

I think there's two categories of scoring involved in special teams (edit: well, three counting place kickers). Kick returner points (yards and TDs), and defensive acts. Edelman's was a defensive act. If your league chose not to give individuals points for any of the other defensive acts that are normally considered point worthy, I think consistency says you don't give points for the defensive TD.At least until your league decides to change the rule in the off season.

I understand. Just seems counter intuitive to me that a TD scored, regardless how, is potentially not awarded to the player scoring it.

How is it counterintuitive? This happens all the time in your league. Hell, nine second before Edelman's TD, Steve Gregory returned a fumble for a TD, and I assume you didn't award him individual points for it.

Really? I would feel the same if Steve Gregory were on someone's roster. I don't see any inconsistencies with my mindset.

 

[Statcruncher]

If I read it right changing this rule now will give you a win which could have playoff implications in your favor. That's pretty bush league IMO. You don't change rules mid season, especially if you're the commish and it helps you.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Thanks for the feedback.I do find it interesting that the consensus is to not award the individual player a TD. I feel the opposite, but no worries.

I think there's two categories of scoring involved in special teams (edit: well, three counting place kickers). Kick returner points (yards and TDs), and defensive acts. Edelman's was a defensive act. If your league chose not to give individuals points for any of the other defensive acts that are normally considered point worthy, I think consistency says you don't give points for the defensive TD.At least until your league decides to change the rule in the off season.

I understand. Just seems counter intuitive to me that a TD scored, regardless how, is potentially not awarded to the player scoring it.

How is it counterintuitive? This happens all the time in your league. Hell, nine second before Edelman's TD, Steve Gregory returned a fumble for a TD, and I assume you didn't award him individual points for it.

Really? I would feel the same if Steve Gregory were on someone's roster. I don't see any inconsistencies with my mindset.

It's inconsistent because you already award the points to the team defense. Whether or not the individual player happens to be on someone's roster doesn't seem like it should be a determining factor in how points are awarded. In your league, when a fumble is returned for a TD, the team defense gets the points, not the individual defender. That's presumably the way you've always done it. The fact that, in this case, the defender who scored also happens to play WR is totally irrelevant.

 

[Don Quixote]

Seeing the answer to my earlier question, it is double-counting to award it to both the DT and Edelman. If the same fantasy team started both NE Def and Edelman, should that team get 12 points for one TD? I don't think that's the right result.

 

[T J]

If you didn't have a rule to address it before your season started it's too late. Correct the rule once this season ends.

Now this part I disagree with. I'm not one of those that believes that unless there's a specific rule in place to cover it, it gets left alone. I think there are things that come up during the season that sometimes require rulings ro be made.

 

[Hopeless Lions Fan]

I'm in a similar situation. I am the commish. I have the NE Defense, we don't score for IDP. We score for defensive TD's and DEF fumbles recovered. I got the points but I can't remember the last time someone scored this way. I won by .5 points this week. Typically we don't get points for points scored on special teams (Kick team for example), only DEF points. On MFL I don't see any other way to break out the points (I checked) so I'm waiting for my opponent to protest.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

If you didn't have a rule to address it before your season started it's too late. Correct the rule once this season ends.

Now this part I disagree with. I'm not one of those that believes that unless there's a specific rule in place to cover it, it gets left alone. I think there are things that come up during the season that sometimes require rulings ro be made.

That just invites abuse and biased decisions. Bad commish move. Enforce the rules, don't create new ones. That's not your job. Unless your rules explicitly allow for you to unilaterally decide which issues that "come up" then "require rulings to be made". Do they?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

You seem to be hung up on this idea that you don't have a rule in place to address that. But that's not true. You do have a rule in place to address this. The rule states that defensive scores are awarded to the team defense.

 

[Statcruncher]

You seem to be hung up on this idea that you don't have a rule in place to address that. But that's not true. You do have a rule in place to address this. The rule states that defensive scores are awarded to the team defense.

But that rule doesn't help his playoff chances.

 

[kardplayer]

My league with IDP has a rule that if you score in the NFL, you score in fantasy. In that league, Edelman would get 3 points if he kicks a FG too. Other than that, the website controls, mostly because I didn't want to have to reconcile 5 different websites for every close FFL game.

My league with team defenses scores that for New England, not Edelman.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

That was my arguement too but you have to have something to back up a decision. There are always going to be these quirky scoring plays that you have not accounted for when setting up your scoring system on line. If you haven't specifically designated it FOR the player then I think you dont have that much of an arguement. Take it like a man...

I'm the commish, so it's not me that it affects. And while I was playing him, it doesn't matter, I got killed regardless. I'm actually advocating to the league in favor of awarding those points which would make my beatingg even worse. I'm just looking for other opinions. I think the 6pts should count and I was playing against Edelman.

That is big of you but again, I think it sets a bad precedent to make any changes during a season. YOu may not see eye to eye with the next fluke scoring situation and then the league has something to go back to you on and say "You changed it last time.". I didn't mean the take it like a man comment to infer you were not, just in general the team owner should take it like a man.My opinion is that a good commish shows consistency in his rulings. If you have and leave a line drawn in the sand, it resolves conflict prior to it ever happening by having a rule that 1) the website has a final say and 2) no rule changes ever take effect mid season.Just my .02. Sounds like you are trying to do the right thing in this siuation but it may lead to the wrong thing down the road.

 

[T J]

If I read it right changing this rule now will give you a win which could have playoff implications in your favor. That's pretty bush league IMO. You don't change rules mid season, especially if you're the commish and it helps you.

You do not read it right. I'm actually advocating that my opponent get the points. And there is no rule in place to change one way or the other. I view this as one of those quirky things that come up that needs addressed at the time it comes up. So you're wrong on both points. Please read more carefully before you call me out for being bush league. I'm simply asking opinions.

 

[T J]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

That was my arguement too but you have to have something to back up a decision. There are always going to be these quirky scoring plays that you have not accounted for when setting up your scoring system on line. If you haven't specifically designated it FOR the player then I think you dont have that much of an arguement. Take it like a man...

I'm the commish, so it's not me that it affects. And while I was playing him, it doesn't matter, I got killed regardless. I'm actually advocating to the league in favor of awarding those points which would make my beatingg even worse. I'm just looking for other opinions. I think the 6pts should count and I was playing against Edelman.

That is big of you but again, I think it sets a bad precedent to make any changes during a season. YOu may not see eye to eye with the next fluke scoring situation and then the league has something to go back to you on and say "You changed it last time.". I didn't mean the take it like a man comment to infer you were not, just in general the team owner should take it like a man.My opinion is that a good commish shows consistency in his rulings. If you have and leave a line drawn in the sand, it resolves conflict prior to it ever happening by having a rule that 1) the website has a final say and 2) no rule changes ever take effect mid season.Just my .02. Sounds like you are trying to do the right thing in this siuation but it may lead to the wrong thing down the road.

I've always believed a TD should count for the player scoring it, but the league is currently voting and I'm abstaining. Thus far, the majority agree with you all, and I'm perfectly ok with however the ownership, as a group, chooses to view this type of play. Like I said, I'm just fishing for opinions and discussion.

 

[Statcruncher]

If I read it right changing this rule now will give you a win which could have playoff implications in your favor. That's pretty bush league IMO. You don't change rules mid season, especially if you're the commish and it helps you.

You do not read it right. I'm actually advocating that my opponent get the points. And there is no rule in place to change one way or the other. I view this as one of those quirky things that come up that needs addressed at the time it comes up. So you're wrong on both points. Please read more carefully before you call me out for being bush league. I'm simply asking opinions.

Which part of this did I misunderstand?

We do play doubleheaders though and that 6pts is the difference between a W/L in the other game and does impact playoff standings.

Regardless of whether it helps you or not changing rules midseason is ridiculous and bush league.

 

[Lionz will turn it around!]

I believe it is something that needs to be brought up for next year and not this year. But I'm in a league that I would not get the 6pts for the TD for Edelman but received it for the Def./ST. But, I am in two leagues where I would get the 6pts for Edelman and 6pts for Def./ST.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Which part of this did I misunderstand?

We do play doubleheaders though and that 6pts is the difference between a W/L in the other game and does impact playoff standings.

Obviously the Edelman owner has a second game against a different opponent.

 

[Statcruncher]

Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding.

 

[T J]

If I read it right changing this rule now will give you a win which could have playoff implications in your favor. That's pretty bush league IMO. You don't change rules mid season, especially if you're the commish and it helps you.

You do not read it right. I'm actually advocating that my opponent get the points. And there is no rule in place to change one way or the other.

Regardless of whether it helps you or not changing rules midseason is ridiculous and bush league.

Well, it's my opinion that there is no rule to change one way or the other and that a ruling on how to score it needs to be made on the fly. I do not see this in any way,shape, or form as changing a rule, 'cause there isn't one to change in the first place. I'm really just asking opinions. No need to go on the offensive on me.

 

[Witz]

If I read it right changing this rule now will give you a win which could have playoff implications in your favor. That's pretty bush league IMO. You don't change rules mid season, especially if you're the commish and it helps you.

You do not read it right. I'm actually advocating that my opponent get the points. And there is no rule in place to change one way or the other.

Regardless of whether it helps you or not changing rules midseason is ridiculous and bush league.

Well, it's my opinion that there is no rule to change one way or the other and that a ruling on how to score it needs to be made on the fly. I do not see this in any way,shape, or form as changing a rule, 'cause there isn't one to change in the first place. I'm really just asking opinions. No need to go on the offensive on me.

I know you noted MFL but I imagine it's very similar to CBS Sportsline - the commish rules set up denotes how individual players can score touchdowns (whether rushing, receiving, passing, etc). It also has the ability to count scoring for the individual for punt returns, kick off returns, fumble returns, etc). How is your system set up on MFL? Did you denote individual TD's for rushing, passing, receiving but not for punt returns, fumble returns, kickoffs? If so, you have your answer.

 

[Phenix]

What I want to know is why someone or anyone believes a player who scored a TD should not get that TD.

double dip or not, if Edelmen scores a TD, any which way, he should get the points. To think otherwise shows some sort of bias.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

What I want to know is why someone or anyone believes a player who scored a TD should not get that TD.double dip or not, if Edelmen scores a TD, any which way, he should get the points. To think otherwise shows some sort of bias.

No one cares about your team.

 

[kegger]

What I want to know is why someone or anyone believes a player who scored a TD should not get that TD.double dip or not, if Edelmen scores a TD, any which way, he should get the points. To think otherwise shows some sort of bias.

This is my thinking as well. (and always has been)Whatever a player does on the field if you play himmy belief is he should get whatever those points are.(regardless if something else could get them as well)The problem mainly lies in online league scoring systemsnot able to be setup to get everything down if it happens.-----------------As far as changing things or making a ruling mid season isvery tricky and I tend to side on only making them on trulyabsolutely cut and dry situations. If the league was setup an talked about that whatever a playerdoes on the field counts then I'd go an add the points manually.(if not then I'd lean on the side of leaving the site to do it)

 

[unckeyherb]

Why would he get points for that? Your rules state that its a defensive/st td. He's on the ST. That 'player' (team defense /ST) gets the td. Pretty simple really. Not sure how you can modify a scoring rule like that in week 11. 10 weeks of scoring have happened based on your current rules. As commish its your job to stay out of the way as much as possible. Dicking with the scoring rules is the opposite of that.

 

[T J]

You seem to be hung up on this idea that you don't have a rule in place to address that. But that's not true. You do have a rule in place to address this. The rule states that defensive scores are awarded to the team defense.

But that rule doesn't help his playoff chances.

You got me all wrong. This legitimately does not impact me in the least. Why do you feel compelled to keep coming at me? In the generic sense, it seems to me that a TD is a TD and while the rules were silent, they were not intentionally silent - just unforeseen events happen sometimes. But the league is voting. Whatever they want to do is fine by me and currently the vote is running 4-1 sharing your opinion. But I will also say that at least three of those votes directly benefit from the vote going their way. I'm personally abstaining.I really was just looking for other views, contrary or supportive, either - to see what other takes not nvolved in the league may be.

 

[Phenix]

Why would he get points for that? Your rules state that its a defensive/st td. He's on the ST. That 'player' (team defense /ST) gets the td. Pretty simple really. Not sure how you can modify a scoring rule like that in week 11. 10 weeks of scoring have happened based on your current rules. As commish its your job to stay out of the way as much as possible. Dicking with the scoring rules is the opposite of that.

Because you started him as an individual at WR who managed to get a TD a non traditional way, what is so dang hard to understand?

 

[Phenix]

What I want to know is why someone or anyone believes a player who scored a TD should not get that TD.double dip or not, if Edelmen scores a TD, any which way, he should get the points. To think otherwise shows some sort of bias.

No one cares about your team.

Do you always act like a child?

 

[T J]

Why would he get points for that? Your rules state that its a defensive/st td. He's on the ST. That 'player' (team defense /ST) gets the td. Pretty simple really. Not sure how you can modify a scoring rule like that in week 11. 10 weeks of scoring have happened based on your current rules. As commish its your job to stay out of the way as much as possible. Dicking with the scoring rules is the opposite of that.

I did not inject myself into the situation arbitrarily. The Edelman owner feels he should get the points, there are at least three other owners who benefit if Edelman does not get the points so obviously I'm hearing from them as well. My first reaction admittedly was to award the ponts as it seems obvious to me, but after hearing out some of the other guys, maybe not so obvious, so I put it up to league vote but also brought it here for some unbiased opinion which I will share with the league if necessary.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

What I want to know is why someone or anyone believes a player who scored a TD should not get that TD.double dip or not, if Edelmen scores a TD, any which way, he should get the points. To think otherwise shows some sort of bias.

No one cares about your team.

Do you always act like a child?

You are a joke my friend, a pathetic joke.

 

[mad sweeney]

As most of you likely know, Julian Edelman scored a TD on kickoff fumble recovery in Thursday night's game vs. Jets. Our rules are silent on this. I'm the commish and I believe that silence in the rules does not equate to doing nothing until next year. I'm playing the guy, but despite that, believe that a TD is a TD - period, regardless how it was scored. I believe Edelman should get credit for the TD. I posted a poll on the MFL website requiring a vote. I want the decision to be more generic in nature and not on this specific play. Basically, the poll question reads: Should an offensive player who scores a defensive TD be awarded 6pts as an indvidual? I'm abstaining from voting, but I'd certainly like to hear opinions. Whatever way the league wants to go with it is fine by me. I got demolished regardless. We do play doubleheaders though and that 6pts is the difference between a W/L in the other game and does impact playoff standings. I do believe though that a TD is a TD, regardless how it was scored. That's how I'd want it scored if it were me anyway. And like I said, I don't believe that a ruling cannott be made since it's not in writing beforehand. I definitely do believe that a ruling, can, and should, be made one way or the other. Thanks!

Was Edelman on offense? He's part of the defense or special teams on that play. Shouldn't be an individual player's TD unless your IDP scores like that.

 

[mad sweeney]

How has this not come up? Jacoby Jones has scored TD's on special teams as has Randal Cobb. Have they been awarded TD points for that? If so you have your answer. If not you can't just change the scoring format at the very end of the year.

Jacoby Jones has never been started, but regardless he and Randall Cobb's TDs are awarded under "punt/kickoff retrun for TD = 6pts plus .04pts per return yard. The question here is the defensive nature of the TD scored. It's not the same as a basic return. What if Edelman had returned an interception for a TD? Does he get 6pts? He does play some DB also. I'm personally inclined to say yes even though we do not play IDP.

No. It's defense.