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Edelman - WR - New England Patriots (1 Viewer)
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Clifton
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The kid is a monster.I agree that unless Welker misses the entire 2010 season it's hard to rank Edelman in the top 30 (my uninformed guess is that Welker will start the season on the PUP list and play the last half of the year), but I don't agree that it comes down to whether NE addresses the WR position. If the Pats bring in another WR, it's likely to be a player that fills a very different role than Welker/Edelman. That role is unique among WR roles in the NFL, and if Welker isn't playing it wouldn't matter much if NE brought in a FA or high draft pick WR, in my opinion. Edleman's value is closely tied to Welker's health. No Welker = Edelman a PPR stud; in non-PPR a low-end WR2 or WR3. Healthy Welker = Edelman WR 4/5 or worse.
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editor47
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he's a product of the system, the position he plays and the focus the pats put on throwing those short passes to the slot WR. his value goes up in training camp if no one else is brought in. but i'd suspect someone else comes in to take the job.Did you miss the last few gamesThe kid is a monster.
Clifton
Footballguy
Why would someone come in to take his job? He's singed for 4 years at 1.8M. He's produced exceptionally whenever he has been given the chance. So they are getting a chain moving, reception machine at under 500K a year and they are going to bring someone else in for the jobhe's a product of the system, the position he plays and the focus the pats put on throwing those short passes to the slot WR. his value goes up in training camp if no one else is brought in. but i'd suspect someone else comes in to take the job.Did you miss the last few games
....makes senseThe New England Patriots needed a player to fill their Welker role. They obviously already have an excellent guy to play that role, but the position is important and requires a backup. Now the player who was drafted to fill the Welker role is required to do exactly that, due to injury. But the team that drafted him to do this one thing is now going to go elsewhere to pay someone way more to do the thing that Edelman was drafted for? With Welker coming back at some point anyway (in 2010 or otherwise)? And after Edelman performed extremely well in that role in tough circumstances, and he now gets an entire offseason to prepare to excel in that role?Wat?he's a product of the system, the position he plays and the focus the pats put on throwing those short passes to the slot WR. his value goes up in training camp if no one else is brought in. but i'd suspect someone else comes in to take the job.Did you miss the last few games
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Sammy Traveller
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I have a feeling Edelman is an injury waiting to happen. Slight frame. He will play but doubt he does all 16 games next year.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I don't consider 6', 198 a slight frame. He looks fairly muscular to me. Especially in the lower body.http://www.sportsofboston.com/wordpress/wp...509_edelman.jpg
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Imagine how good he'll be with an entire offseason to perfect the craft of his new position. Looked like a natural in preseason with little experience under his belt, looks even better at the end of the season.
Ravens
Footballguy
My thoughts exactly.Looks like he's waiting to go in IR after every play.Won't go 16 games in this league.
Avery
Footballguy
What do you mean by this?
Are you saying he's a drama queen acting hurt every play or that he seems to get hurt every play or are you saying something else entirely?
gianmarco
Footballguy
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I wonder if Finless agrees with Clifton on this one
Avery
Footballguy
It didn't show up in the boxscore because of penalty, but on 4th and 7 the Pats threw it to Edelman behind the line of scrimmage and he looked like Mark Ingram in the Superbowl fighting off defenders for the 1st down. He also had a nice punt return.
He may not have Welker's hands, but I'd say he's scrappier if that's possible.
He may not have Welker's hands, but I'd say he's scrappier if that's possible.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I was wondering this myself.So far in this thread he's been called "slight" and "ready to go on IR after every play".What do you mean by this?Are you saying he's a drama queen acting hurt every play or that he seems to get hurt every play or are you saying something else entirely?
If this is a comment on size, keep in mind Edelman is 6' 198. The man he replaced is 5'9", 185.
I'm not sure where this is coming from if it is simply a size thing.
Seems to be pretty solid when I watched him play yesterday.
gianmarco
Footballguy
gianmarco said:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Welker is signed through 2011. Of course, there could be no football by then . . .Signing bonus: $5.5 million in 2007. Option bonus: $3.5 million payable in 2008, applied for cap reasons in equal $875,000 increments in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011. Salaries: $1.9 million in '10 and $2.15 million in '11. Workout bonuses: $106,720 annually if he participates in the Patriots' offseason workout program in Foxboro. Roster bonuses: $250,000 annually Cap numbers: $4.2 million in 2010, $4.5 million in 2011pecorino said:
His fight to get that first down and actually getting 7 yards when he was trapped behind the line by multiple defenders was quite impressive. I think Welker is great, but I don't see him making that play.
captain_amazing
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He is great, but he is not Welker, right now. When Edelman gets the ball, I think he presents himself as a bigger threat than Welker. But Edelman has not been able to get open like Welker does on every single play. With some work in the offseason, I do think he could he could develop in the getting open area and become as good at that as Welker, but I guess we'll have to see.
But I do see that Pats getting another WR, due to the lack of a 3WR that can spread the field liek Gaffney used to do for the Pats. Hopefully it won't be another Galloway
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But I do see that Pats getting another WR, due to the lack of a 3WR that can spread the field liek Gaffney used to do for the Pats. Hopefully it won't be another Galloway
.loose circuits
Footballguy
The Pats need someone to replace Moss eventually. They also need that 3rd WR. If they address those positions, I think it will be meaningless to Edelman who is obviously suited for Welker's role. Don't see why they would cut bait when the guy dealt with injuries that kept him from practicing and had no WR experience coming into the year. Hopefully, he learns how to take hits cause injury is the only thing holding him back IMO.
If Faulk is gone, there will be plenty of room for both Welker & Edelman in 2010. Could see the Pats using him in a similar role as to when they split Faulk out if Welker has a miraculous recovery. However, I seriously doubt Wes will be back to his old self. Tough for a guy that plays the way he does
He should only get better with an off season under his belt
If Faulk is gone, there will be plenty of room for both Welker & Edelman in 2010. Could see the Pats using him in a similar role as to when they split Faulk out if Welker has a miraculous recovery. However, I seriously doubt Wes will be back to his old self. Tough for a guy that plays the way he does
He should only get better with an off season under his belt
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Couch Potato
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They might already have him. Brandon Tate, 3rd round pick 2009. Was injured in his last college season (ACL) and they knew he'd be of no use in 2009. PUP then IR this year. Very very fast, great return man. It'll be interesting to see if he can be a viable NFL wide receiver next year.He is great, but he is not Welker, right now. When Edelman gets the ball, I think he presents himself as a bigger threat than Welker. But Edelman has not been able to get open like Welker does on every single play. With some work in the offseason, I do think he could he could develop in the getting open area and become as good at that as Welker, but I guess we'll have to see.
But I do see that Pats getting another WR, due to the lack of a 3WR that can spread the field liek Gaffney used to do for the Pats. Hopefully it won't be another Galloway.
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DropKick
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Why did Tate get placed on IR? A new injury or had his knee not come along enough? No way that Welker, with his style, is ready and effective next season.They might already have him. Brandon Tate, 3rd round pick 2009. Was injured in his last college season (ACL) and they knew he'd be of no use in 2009. PUP then IR this year. Very very fast, great return man. It'll be interesting to see if he can be a viable NFL wide receiver next year.He is great, but he is not Welker, right now. When Edelman gets the ball, I think he presents himself as a bigger threat than Welker. But Edelman has not been able to get open like Welker does on every single play. With some work in the offseason, I do think he could he could develop in the getting open area and become as good at that as Welker, but I guess we'll have to see.
But I do see that Pats getting another WR, due to the lack of a 3WR that can spread the field liek Gaffney used to do for the Pats. Hopefully it won't be another Galloway
Pats may have to replace Moss. And don't have much depth to begin with. Edelman won't lose his job.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Same knee with Tate (ACL and MCL from the previous October). Not a new injury, but it's not clear if there was a material setback with the knee or if it was just decided to stash him. The Patriots aren't generally very forthcoming or trustworthy with injury info and they didn't have much to say about it. There has been no report of additional surgery on the knee since going on IR.Why did Tate get placed on IR? A new injury or had his knee not come along enough? No way that Welker, with his style, is ready and effective next season.They might already have him. Brandon Tate, 3rd round pick 2009. Was injured in his last college season (ACL) and they knew he'd be of no use in 2009. PUP then IR this year. Very very fast, great return man. It'll be interesting to see if he can be a viable NFL wide receiver next year.He is great, but he is not Welker, right now. When Edelman gets the ball, I think he presents himself as a bigger threat than Welker. But Edelman has not been able to get open like Welker does on every single play. With some work in the offseason, I do think he could he could develop in the getting open area and become as good at that as Welker, but I guess we'll have to see.
But I do see that Pats getting another WR, due to the lack of a 3WR that can spread the field liek Gaffney used to do for the Pats. Hopefully it won't be another Galloway.
Pats may have to replace Moss. And don't have much depth to begin with. Edelman won't lose his job.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I fell in love with him on that play. He was the only guy on the team that looked like he'd shown up to play at that point. As talented as Randy Moss is, he can still earn from guys like Welker and Edelman.Steed said:
Fallerjw
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loose circuits
Footballguy
everything i've seen or read says tate had a setbck?
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I gained some extra respect for BB on that play as well. How did he see THAT in a quarterback?Evilgrin 72 said:
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Thank you.Edelman is as close to a Welker clone as any WR in the NFL.I was wondering this myself.So far in this thread he's been called "slight" and "ready to go on IR after every play".What do you mean by this?Are you saying he's a drama queen acting hurt every play or that he seems to get hurt every play or are you saying something else entirely?
Edelman is 6' 198....... Welker is 5'9", 185.
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
If Edelman is the new WR2 in NE (playing ahead of Welker in 2-WR sets), why isn't he a hot commodity right now? Hernandez is out, Welker may be getting traded or phased out, seems like Edelman should be getting snapped up left and right. But he's not.
12punch
Footballguy
it's kind of hard to tell what's going on there, so I don't want to mislead anybody, but as of right now this minute welker still hasn't been replaced by edelman.
despite what you read welker had a good share of snaps and targets last week, but adding lloyd means the personnel groupings are a bit different from last year.
on the face of it, anyway -- for all I know he gets traded tomorrow, but I have no idea who would make that deal.
despite what you read welker had a good share of snaps and targets last week, but adding lloyd means the personnel groupings are a bit different from last year.
on the face of it, anyway -- for all I know he gets traded tomorrow, but I have no idea who would make that deal.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
I could easily see them starting out Lloyd/Branch/Welker in 3 wides. I like Edelman, but I think Welker will have to be off the team or injured to become a big PPR factor.Because he's got frying pans for hands. There's a reason he was playing CB last year. OK, it's not that bad, but the guy just doesn't catch well enough to become a featured receiver. He runs routes well and is an excellent blocker, but you don't get points for that.My take on his promotion to WR2 was that it was part of the rumored plan to run the offense through Hernandez. Hernandez is basically a hybrid TE-WE, so they wanted to pair him with a WR2 who would mainly set downfield blocks giving Hernandez more space to operate. Once Hernandez went down, they needed a WR2 who actually plays like a WR, so Welker got used more.'DevilintheDetail said:
ChargerPride
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Branch is old. There's a reason no team picked him up. He's just there as insurance until Hernandez gets back. He won't hardly even see the field.
Yep, definitely worthy of a pickup
Ace zero1
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Is he worth dropping Denarius Moore for? Would be nice since I got Brady but I don't know.
Moore's first game after no pre-season at all got him 8 targets and this week is his second and he is 5-45 with 1 TD and you want to drop him? Moore looks like the legit #1 WR for a decent QB with a terrible defense. I wouldn't drop him for Edelman, I would look for someone else to drop first.loose circuits
Footballguy
Questionable to return- hand
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