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plymkr
Footballguy
Much better than I expected. When my buddy drafted him I laughed to myself. It was mostly the OLine last year, but I still didn't think Edge had anything left either.Could also be that the 9ers suck.
switz
Footballguy
You obviously didn't watch the game.Edge looked extremely good. The 9ers defense looked pretty stout as well. I think at the half Edge was averaging 4.7 YPC, and that was with Leinart being totally inept in the passing game.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Agreed, but ... Edge wormed most of those yards with smart, nifty cuts. That 49er defense (touted by many to be a great sleeper pick) was flying all over the place. Leinart and co. did NOTHING to loosen up that pressure ... a great defensive effort by both teams last night.On the surface, it does look like a repeat of last season, but, if you watched the game, you saw Edge really grind it out. He ran with conviction. This offense will eventually open up, and the yards will come easier. Of course, he's not going to break the 60 yd. run ... but it looks like Wisenhunt and staff are quite dedicated to giving him a lot of work. For my RB #2 ... I'll take over 100 total yards, 2 catches and a TD every week.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
shadyridr
Footballguy
You obviously didn't watch the game.Edge looked extremely good. The 9ers defense looked pretty stout as well. I think at the half Edge was averaging 4.7 YPC, and that was with Leinart being totally inept in the passing game.
Im exhausted right now and Im a 49ers fan. Dont tell me I didnt watch the game. I agree he did look good in the 1st half but the end results were in line with last years #s. I never said he wouldnt be a solid #2 back this year as hes obviously going to get the carries.
NYGus
Footballguy
Not sure about everyone else but my league doesn't award points for YPC. I wouldn't care if he had 88 yards on 88 carries and a TD or 88 yards on 1 carry and a TD, in my fantasy league both ways get me 9 points and thats a fine way for him to start the year. Edge is FAR from done and I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the top RB in that division by years end. He is so underrated for a guy who's had 1 sub-par 'healthy' year. Jamal Lewis, Pinto Williams, McGahee, and Ronnie Brown were all drafted before Edge in my league. That's just insane.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Yeah, except I seriously doubt you get 100 total yds and a TD every week from Edge as they don't get to play SF every week. Sleeper pick or not, that defense just isn't that good. Also, I don't think Edge can continue to handle a 25 carry load every week (400 carry season). They'll either have to cut down on his carries (which will cut down his overall totals) or he won't last the season.Agreed, but ... Edge wormed most of those yards with smart, nifty cuts. That 49er defense (touted by many to be a great sleeper pick) was flying all over the place. Leinart and co. did NOTHING to loosen up that pressure ... a great defensive effort by both teams last night.On the surface, it does look like a repeat of last season, but, if you watched the game, you saw Edge really grind it out. He ran with conviction. This offense will eventually open up, and the yards will come easier. Of course, he's not going to break the 60 yd. run ... but it looks like Wisenhunt and staff are quite dedicated to giving him a lot of work.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
For my RB #2 ... I'll take over 100 total yards, 2 catches and a TD every week.
shadyridr
Footballguy
OK so if he only gets 88 yards on 25 carries vs the SF defense, what will he get against a good defense. Dont get me wrong I had high hopes for Edge as well but I dont think you can look at the results of this game as a positive. It doesnt matter how Edge looked. He DID look good but looking good doesnt score you fantasy points. If he has that measly ypc vs SF how will he fare against better defenses. SF's strength is their pass coverage, not their run def.Not sure about everyone else but my league doesn't award points for YPC. I wouldn't care if he had 88 yards on 88 carries and a TD or 88 yards on 1 carry and a TD, in my fantasy league both ways get me 9 points and thats a fine way for him to start the year. Edge is FAR from done and I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the top RB in that division by years end. He is so underrated for a guy who's had 1 sub-par 'healthy' year. Jamal Lewis, Pinto Williams, McGahee, and Ronnie Brown were all drafted before Edge in my league. That's just insane.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
Swampy
Footballguy
Dude your not getting it. Your basing his ypc after the game. I dont think you saw the game, if you did you would throw that ypc argument out the window. You dont even know how well the SFO Defense played. They played like a good defense, a good run defense. Either that you dont understand the game of football.OK so if he only gets 88 yards on 25 carries vs the SF defense, what will he get against a good defense. Dont get me wrong I had high hopes for Edge as well but I dont think you can look at the results of this game as a positive. It doesnt matter how Edge looked. He DID look good but looking good doesnt score you fantasy points. If he has that measly ypc vs SF how will he fare against better defenses. SF's strength is their pass coverage, not their run def.Not sure about everyone else but my league doesn't award points for YPC. I wouldn't care if he had 88 yards on 88 carries and a TD or 88 yards on 1 carry and a TD, in my fantasy league both ways get me 9 points and thats a fine way for him to start the year. Edge is FAR from done and I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the top RB in that division by years end. He is so underrated for a guy who's had 1 sub-par 'healthy' year. Jamal Lewis, Pinto Williams, McGahee, and Ronnie Brown were all drafted before Edge in my league. That's just insane.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Dude your not getting it. Your basing his ypc after the game. I dont think you saw the game, if you did you would throw that ypc argument out the window. You dont even know how well the SFO Defense played. They played like a good defense, a good run defense. Either that you dont understand the game of football.OK so if he only gets 88 yards on 25 carries vs the SF defense, what will he get against a good defense. Dont get me wrong I had high hopes for Edge as well but I dont think you can look at the results of this game as a positive. It doesnt matter how Edge looked. He DID look good but looking good doesnt score you fantasy points. If he has that measly ypc vs SF how will he fare against better defenses. SF's strength is their pass coverage, not their run def.Not sure about everyone else but my league doesn't award points for YPC. I wouldn't care if he had 88 yards on 88 carries and a TD or 88 yards on 1 carry and a TD, in my fantasy league both ways get me 9 points and thats a fine way for him to start the year. Edge is FAR from done and I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the top RB in that division by years end. He is so underrated for a guy who's had 1 sub-par 'healthy' year. Jamal Lewis, Pinto Williams, McGahee, and Ronnie Brown were all drafted before Edge in my league. That's just insane.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
They gave up over 150 yards rushing on the ground. Seems like you're ignoring stats (ypc & rushing yds) for what you see. I did see the game and agree he ran hard in the 1st half, not so much the 2nd half.1st Half he looked great.2nd half he still looked good but the SF def like legit. They were keying in on the run and Matt L. failed to in 2 areas. 1) Throwing the ball2) Changing the direction on the run play. There was at least 2 runs you could see the blitzers comming and still ran that way for big losses. They run the other way..... Whoa...Not sure of the name .. But Rookie LB for SF looks very good.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Patrick Willis
Captain_Apocalypse
Footballguy
OK, first off Edge got 92 yard rushing, NOT 88, so that is significantly closer to a 100 yd game than you are making it out to be. and it seems that 100 yrds is the mark to make to be "good". Also, you keep insisting that the SF run def. is poor. And you are basing that on what? Last season, pre-season? Truth is it is the first game of the season and we don't really know how good the def. is. We will have a better idea in a couple of weeks, but from what I saw the 49ers have a pretty good defense. Much improved over last year, new db's, and a rookie lb who looks like the real deal. And the AZ offence is not terrible at all. Maybe the play calling is a little conservative, but they are high-powered. All through the game every time they tried to pass the WR's were all well covered so there was no one open. When the db's do their job well it also makes the run def. better since teames are forced to run more and then you can be ready for it. AZ's offensive line is still a work in progress. It is beyond me why they called an up-the-gut run like four times in a row every drive. About half of them ended at the LOS with a huge pile of guys. I saw Edge loose a little confidence in those runs after a while, bouncing into another hole, even when the center was open a couple of times. Edge needs to be used outside more with screen passes and sweeps if you ask me. He has never been that great up the middle IMO. He did look more energized last night, but I also thought to myself that he can't hold up all season with all those runs up the middle. The O-line is better than last year, but still not great. Overall I was pleased with his performance. If he gets 90+ a couple of receptions and a TD every game then he will be a great RB2. I am just concerned about wear and tear.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Expert analysis here folks
Umm giving up over 150 yards on the ground last night vs a team that was last in the league in rushing last year?
NYGus
Footballguy
I know who's in the division-that's why I said it. Gore and Jackson have had 1 good year each and now Jax with the O-line issues?? Alexander could reign supreme I suppose but I like Edge's chances this season especially since he has a FB that will open up the lanes.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
3.5 yards per carry. Seems like the same Edge as last year to me. And I doubt James will keep getting 26 carries a game, as their over-reliance on him last night is probably what cost them the game.
No worries! I actually like bold predictions instead of the same old boring ones. I hope you are right about Edge because I just lost Brandon Jacobs in that league. I could use Edge to outperform his ADP. It's just that the other 3 guys were all taken in the first round in almost all fantasy drafts. Not that that means anything but I'm just sayin. I think I'd put my money on SA for the NFC West rushing title. Go Edge though!!!Just for fun (and slight hijack):NFC West: 1. SA 2 Gore 3 Jackson 4 EdgeNFC North: 1. AD 2. Benson 3. Tater 4. Brandon JacksonNFC South: 1. Reggie McAllister 2. DeAngelo Foster 3. Warrick Norwood 4. Carnell PittmanNFC East: 1. Julius Barber 2. Clinton Betts 3. Brian Westbrook (#1 with receiving yds) 4. Brandon WardAFC East: 1. Maroney 2. Lynch 3. Jones 4. Ronnie ChatmanAFC South 1. Addai 2. Vince Young 3. Fred Jones Drew 4. GreenAFC North: 1. Parker 2 Johnson 3. McGahee 4. LewisAFC West 1. Henry (homer pick lol) 2. LT 3. LJ 4. LaMont Jordan
Week 2 might be tough:
News: James will be running behind two rookie offensive linemen and a second-year player in Week 2, according to the Cardinals' official site.
Spin: With starting center Al Johnson (knee) out for one game and possibly more and starting right tackle Oliver Ross (biceps) out for the season, James will be running behind a very green line. He gutted out 92 yards on 26 carries in Week 1 and will have to grind it out again in Week 2 behind a shaky offensive line that wasn't great to begin with.
News: James will be running behind two rookie offensive linemen and a second-year player in Week 2, according to the Cardinals' official site.
Spin: With starting center Al Johnson (knee) out for one game and possibly more and starting right tackle Oliver Ross (biceps) out for the season, James will be running behind a very green line. He gutted out 92 yards on 26 carries in Week 1 and will have to grind it out again in Week 2 behind a shaky offensive line that wasn't great to begin with.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Oliver Ross was lost a while ago and it's no big deal. He's not good, and his replacement Levi Brown is better.Edge though, has no breakaway speed. It didn't hurt him his last few years in Indy because of that offense, but Arizona is far from Indy. He's also a poor goalline back. Always has been. I don't have him on one team, but if I did, I'd trade him now.
Captain_Apocalypse
Footballguy
At least I know how to look up game stats. And I see you are still basing your opinions on last year.
Expert analysis here folks
Umm giving up over 150 yards on the ground last night vs a team that was last in the league in rushing last year?
kensat30
Footballguy
SF is weak in the front 4. Rather our front 3. Our DTs are not good. Bryant Young is like 40 years old and he's our best DE. We gameplanned to stop the pass last night and basically dared Arizona to beat us in the running game. And they couldn't do it. While Edge's stats look decent from a fantasy perspective, they were getting basically nowhere on most of their drives. Notice how Edge had no carries greater than 9 yards.
It's going to be a long season for the running game in Zona, especially when the Card's face a D with some real DTs and DEs. Leinart better get Fitz involved real quick if they want to have offensive success IMO. I still think Edge is a very low quality RB#2 and more likely a RB#3 in fantasy. SF is a very, very good matchup for a RB.
It's going to be a long season for the running game in Zona, especially when the Card's face a D with some real DTs and DEs. Leinart better get Fitz involved real quick if they want to have offensive success IMO. I still think Edge is a very low quality RB#2 and more likely a RB#3 in fantasy. SF is a very, very good matchup for a RB.
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switz
Footballguy
More evidence you didn't see the game. The SF defense was terrific last night.OK so if he only gets 88 yards on 25 carries vs the SF defense, what will he get against a good defense. Dont get me wrong I had high hopes for Edge as well but I dont think you can look at the results of this game as a positive. It doesnt matter how Edge looked. He DID look good but looking good doesnt score you fantasy points. If he has that measly ypc vs SF how will he fare against better defenses. SF's strength is their pass coverage, not their run def.NYGus said:Not sure about everyone else but my league doesn't award points for YPC. I wouldn't care if he had 88 yards on 88 carries and a TD or 88 yards on 1 carry and a TD, in my fantasy league both ways get me 9 points and thats a fine way for him to start the year. Edge is FAR from done and I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the top RB in that division by years end. He is so underrated for a guy who's had 1 sub-par 'healthy' year. Jamal Lewis, Pinto Williams, McGahee, and Ronnie Brown were all drafted before Edge in my league. That's just insane.Last I checked 25 carries for 88 yards is NOT a very good YPC especially against a poor run defense in SF.
Captain_Apocalypse
Footballguy
I agree with SF's DL looking poor on paper, and that they did play more against the pass than the run last night, but the results were good for SF. I just think that the real problem for the AZ running game last night was the total dissapearance of the passing game. Boldin led the team with 22 yrds receiving. That is the problem. The passing talent is way better than the run talent in AZ. and they needed to run some plays farther down field. Everything was so close to the LOS that all the defensive players were right there as soon as they saw it was run...BOOM, Edge was covered in guys. Edge needs space to run, he is NOT Jerome Bettis. Keep plowing him into the pile and he will not last the season.
nygiants56
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
been saying it all summer, Edge is a top 10 RB this season!
Now I know Edge owners are screwed. You also said Portis and Gore suck all summer.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
With all the RB talk centering around A-Pete, Henry, L.J. and all of the injured guys, it seems like nobody has noticed that James has been fairly horrible recently. In his last three games, he has 15, 60 & 52 yards rushing against teams (TB/Det/Cin) which haven't exactly been dynamic in stopping the run this season. He has some VERY soft opponents coming up, so I'm not going to jump off the cliff just yet.
But to say I'm concerned is an understatement.
But to say I'm concerned is an understatement.
the spanker
Footballguy
I got him on the backside of a two man deal and thought I had picked up something a little extra but I've been disappointed with his production thus far.
He will sit on the bench until he show me something and that will probably be the rest of my season. He's not very reliable right now.
He will sit on the bench until he show me something and that will probably be the rest of my season. He's not very reliable right now.
the_sig
Footballguy
Of note in those rushing totals you mention should be TD's in weeks 9 & 11. Granted, Edge hasn't been the type of guy to carry a team this year, I actually looked to acquire him in re-drafts before the deadline. For those willing to pursue him, he could be had fairly cheap. I also like some of the soft opponents you mention as well.He has averaged a fairly steady 11.8 points per game in FBG non-ppr scoring. I'll take that level of stability from a RB during the playoffs.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I hear ya, but the guy is a plodder. There is NO explosiveness in his game. If Edge was the RB behind the Vikings line the day that AP went for 296 yards, how many yards would Edge have had with the same exact carries? 100? 120 maybe? My point is (and I hate this saying)... he is what he is. There is very little upside with James.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
And........ Shipp scores from the 1. Awesome!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Time for my weekly Edge update... he still sucks.
1st & goal from the 1.
1st down - Warner incomplete pass
2nd down - Warner incomplete pass
3rd down - Warner TD pass
I promise to leave this piece of crap on my bench for the playoffs so I won't have to talk to myself in here anymore.
1st & goal from the 1.
1st down - Warner incomplete pass
2nd down - Warner incomplete pass
3rd down - Warner TD pass
I promise to leave this piece of crap on my bench for the playoffs so I won't have to talk to myself in here anymore.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
How many weeks now have we heard "Ohhhhh, his upcoming schedule is great! THIS is the week he'll tear it up."
EDIT: Good yardage overall, but it's no wonder they don't give it to him more often at the stripe.Two shots inside the 1... no gain each time.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It is completely
how this guy cannot punch it in from the 1 time after time after time. :sigh:
Beau Tocks
Footballguy
1st week of our playoffs and yep I'm starting Norwood over Edge, I never thought I'd see those words come outta my mouth.
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