Effect on Packers? Bulaga, T, GB - Torn ACL (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.

No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)

Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead.

The question you have to ask yourself is... is there another team capable of stepping in? Detroit? Sorry... moving on. Minnesota? I'm not buying them right now. They've got the greatest RB going, but they still have Ponder pulling the trigger and their two top WRs are a guy who the Packers could have held onto but chose not to and a rookie where the consensus was that he needed a lot of polish to be NFL-ready. Chicago? Everyone is pointing to the coaching change as a good thing, and it may be, but it seems to just be masking a lot of the inherent flaws with this team. Changing coaches won't upgrade the O-line, WRs 2-through-infinity, or issues in the back seven. Plus I think a coach who has been out of the NFL will give Cutler the idea he can pull some **** power play move... because he's Cutler.

We may just get a division where the winner has nine wins instead of eleven or twelve, but one injury on the line (not at the left tackle) isn't going to drop this team off a cliff. (But I do agree with the guy who labels this as a "tiebreaker" situation for individual fantasy players.)

The Bears and Vikings were both 10 - 6 last yr, 1 game behind the Pack. The Lions were 10-6 in 2011. That division is pretty good and if the Pack slips any of the other 3 teams can take it from them.

 

[seahawk 17]

Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.

No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)

Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead.

Of course I am no packer fan but this is too funny. Coming from a fan of a team that in theory do not make the playoffs unless they get gifted 2 wins in the regular season (Packers and Bears) and get smoked in their 1st playoff game if the opposing QB does not get injured. (Do not forget the Skins were blowing the Hawks out before the injury). But keep dreaming how great the Seahawks are. I guess when the championship trophy cupboard is empty, one has to make idiotic comments about other teams.

I doubt I am the only Seahawk fan that will concede that Hawks got lucky against GB. As for the Chicago game how is a rookie QB driving 80 yards and throwing a TD pass for the win "Lucky?"

:sorry for the hijack:

 

[massraider]

Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.

No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)

Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead.

The question you have to ask yourself is... is there another team capable of stepping in? Detroit? Sorry... moving on. Minnesota? I'm not buying them right now. They've got the greatest RB going, but they still have Ponder pulling the trigger and their two top WRs are a guy who the Packers could have held onto but chose not to and a rookie where the consensus was that he needed a lot of polish to be NFL-ready. Chicago? Everyone is pointing to the coaching change as a good thing, and it may be, but it seems to just be masking a lot of the inherent flaws with this team. Changing coaches won't upgrade the O-line, WRs 2-through-infinity, or issues in the back seven. Plus I think a coach who has been out of the NFL will give Cutler the idea he can pull some **** power play move... because he's Cutler.

We may just get a division where the winner has nine wins instead of eleven or twelve, but one injury on the line (not at the left tackle) isn't going to drop this team off a cliff. (But I do agree with the guy who labels this as a "tiebreaker" situation for individual fantasy players.)

The injury WAS the left tackle.

And that one injury isn't enough, I agree. But Bulaga was the blind side protector for the guy that, if injured, that cliff is in sight.

Rodgers got sacked a ton last year, and survived. It's possible he survives again, and possible a 4th round rookie gets him smashed. They get Peppers and Allen twice this year, Aldon Smith, Orakpo, Suggs, Pierre-Paul/Tuck, Osi, and Ware this year. It's bad news, for sure. They need the running game to appear, they need to scheme a bit to help the new LT, whoever it might be, and Rodgers to take some more shots and continue getting up.

 

[meyerj31]

The injury WAS the left tackle.


And that one injury isn't enough, I agree. But Bulaga was the blind side protector for the guy that, if injured, that cliff is in sight.

Rodgers got sacked a ton last year, and survived. It's possible he survives again, and possible a 4th round rookie gets him smashed. They get Peppers and Allen twice this year, Aldon Smith, Orakpo, Suggs, Pierre-Paul/Tuck, Osi, and Ware this year. It's bad news, for sure. They need the running game to appear, they need to scheme a bit to help the new LT, whoever it might be, and Rodgers to take some more shots and continue getting up.

I have a feeling McCarthy is going to shift towards multiple TE sets to both help the running game and Bahktiari on the left side. I don't think that hurts the value of Nelson or Jones, but probably impacts Cobb's value since there's never a slot WR out there in multiple TE sets. Cobb would be playing similar to last year in that he was only on the field 60-70% of the time and also handled punt/kick returns. From a team perspective I like that because it keeps him healthy and fresh when he does get the ball, and he's by far the best returner on the team (one of the best in the NFL, too). From a fantasy perspective though, it's not good for him unless you're in a return yardage league. The Packers have strived in the past to be as close to 50% run as possible (they were near that during the playoff run to the Super Bowl a few years ago). Rodgers also hits the open receiver; not feeding one guy targets. And the other two WRs are quite good.

ADP says Cobb is going in the 2nd round .... and I think that's a monster mistake. I see another 80-catch, 950-1000 yard season. Cobb also doesn't have as high of a ceiling for TDs as either Jones or Nelson.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The injury WAS the left tackle.


And that one injury isn't enough, I agree. But Bulaga was the blind side protector for the guy that, if injured, that cliff is in sight.

Rodgers got sacked a ton last year, and survived. It's possible he survives again, and possible a 4th round rookie gets him smashed. They get Peppers and Allen twice this year, Aldon Smith, Orakpo, Suggs, Pierre-Paul/Tuck, Osi, and Ware this year. It's bad news, for sure. They need the running game to appear, they need to scheme a bit to help the new LT, whoever it might be, and Rodgers to take some more shots and continue getting up.

I have a feeling McCarthy is going to shift towards multiple TE sets to both help the running game and Bahktiari on the left side. I don't think that hurts the value of Nelson or Jones, but probably impacts Cobb's value since there's never a slot WR out there in multiple TE sets. Cobb would be playing similar to last year in that he was only on the field 60-70% of the time and also handled punt/kick returns. From a team perspective I like that because it keeps him healthy and fresh when he does get the ball, and he's by far the best returner on the team (one of the best in the NFL, too). From a fantasy perspective though, it's not good for him unless you're in a return yardage league. The Packers have strived in the past to be as close to 50% run as possible (they were near that during the playoff run to the Super Bowl a few years ago). Rodgers also hits the open receiver; not feeding one guy targets. And the other two WRs are quite good.

ADP says Cobb is going in the 2nd round .... and I think that's a monster mistake. I see another 80-catch, 950-1000 yard season. Cobb also doesn't have as high of a ceiling for TDs as either Jones or Nelson.

why, he had 8 last yr in limited play

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

The injury WAS the left tackle.

Don't know how I got it in my head he was the right tackle. That's... mildly embarrassing.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@RapSheet: Packers coach Mike McCarthy tells reporters Bulaga is hoping to play thru torn ACL. Team believed his season was over. But... Mankins did it

 

[meyerj31]

@RapSheet: Packers coach Mike McCarthy tells reporters Bulaga is hoping to play thru torn ACL. Team believed his season was over. But... Mankins did it

Mankins was a guard. I have to believe that playing left tackle would be harder on the lateral movement muscles than playing right guard.

That would be pretty epic, though. The injury wasn't serious enough for him to stop playing in even the scrimmage, and usually any nick will put you on the bench. Maybe there's hope he'll see the field this year, I just see it as unlikely that he will be effective.

 

[sho nuff]

The injury WAS the left tackle.

Don't know how I got it in my head he was the right tackle. That's... mildly embarrassing.

because he has played rt his whole time in gb basically...

 

[Sabertooth]

Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

 

[Pipes]

Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

LOL.Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Offseason fishing without a license.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

The injury WAS the left tackle.

Don't know how I got it in my head he was the right tackle. That's... mildly embarrassing.

because he has played rt his whole time in gb basically...

Thank you for that. At least now I know I wasn't totally in left field on that. I feel validated.

Can I have a hug?

 

[meyerj31]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL (miscast as a left tackle because they had no one else). And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Were you excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Just because you don't see fantasy articles about all these guys doesn't mean they aren't notable. Learn to read more than just rotoworld updates.

 

[Sabertooth]

Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Did you even read my post? I said I hope Jones bucks the trend. Early returns on Perry are not impressive. He's had almost as many surgeries as games. Could be another Harrell.

 

[Sabertooth]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.

In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

 

[Vector]

Is it just me or do the Packers now sound a lot like the Bears the past couple years. Basically hoping they can get by with a sup-standard OL and playing the denial game.

Stay tuned.... same bat time, same bat channel.

 

[Sabertooth]

They have thrown picks at the problem, selecting 9 linemen since 2009, none have really panned out though. Bulaga is probably the best of the bunch and he's more of a swing player than a lockdown LT.

 

[Pipes]

Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Did you even read my post? I said I hope Jones bucks the trend. Early returns on Perry are not impressive. He's had almost as many surgeries as games. Could be another Harrell.

I did...you agreed with a guy who said GB has hit 3 times in 8 years on 1st round picks. Those 8 years include 2013 and 2012.

 

[Pipes]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.

In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

 

[meyerj31]

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

EXACTLY.

This is an often underlooked point when teams have franchise QBs. Peyton was in the playoffs every year and that hurt the overall value of the team for a decade because they were perennially in the low first round in the draft.

What happened to the Packers when they went 6-10 in 2008 with Rodgers? They had enough draft pick ammunition in 2009 to take both Raji and Matthews!

The Patriots have done well drafting lineman but struggled in other areas where the Packers have excelled (Pass rushers, cover corners, safeties, linebackers, WRs). It's very difficult to field a complete team when drafting that low year after year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Perry played in six games in the 2012 season and recorded two sacks. He was put on injured reserve after he suffered a wrist injury in week 6

 

[KellysHeroes]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.

In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

LOL at you guys calling role players hits. Next you'll tell me their future studs.

 

[hauser42]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

LOL at you guys calling role players hits. Next you'll tell me their future studs.

The NFL is loaded with role players that is what mostly comes from the draft. Few impact players in the late first round where the Pack has been drafting from the most part since early 90s. Shame people don't realize how Wolf and Ted have made such a long run with this team. Only drop was few years the Mike Sherman steered the ship.

People ripping on Ted for OL depth have blinders on he has been working on the line each year. Bulaga and Sherrod injuries have hurt the depth. Lang and Sitton have squared up the guards but center is an issue, wells covered it till he got old. Newhouse would be best as a swing tackle. Backitari could be a huge steal for pack and be future at LT still early though.

There is a lot of talent on team since 08 in drafts. Daniels looks like he will make an impact in rush packages to add to d line depth. Nick Perry could easily take big step up with another year of camp under belt and good health. House and heyward have been showing the goods and look like they can start at some point.

 

[LawFitz]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

LOL at you guys calling role players hits. Next you'll tell me their future studs.

Backitari could be a huge steal

I've read that the coaches are very high on this kid and that he's been dominating 1-on-1 pit drills in camp. Making me feel a little better about the loss of Bulaga.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/05/the-all-22-rookie-david-bakhtiari-could-surprise-as-packers-emergency-left-tackle/

 

[sho nuff]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

LOL at you guys calling role players hits. Next you'll tell me their future studs.

Backitari could be a huge steal

I've read that the coaches are very high on this kid and that he's been dominating 1-on-1 pit drills in camp. Making me feel a little better about the loss of Bulaga.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/05/the-all-22-rookie-david-bakhtiari-could-surprise-as-packers-emergency-left-tackle/

He has been the buzz so far.

Hope he lives up to the early hype...they certainly need it out of him.

 

[LawFitz]

Backitari could be a huge steal

I've read that the coaches are very high on this kid and that he's been dominating 1-on-1 pit drills in camp. Making me feel a little better about the loss of Bulaga.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/05/the-all-22-rookie-david-bakhtiari-could-surprise-as-packers-emergency-left-tackle/

He has been the buzz so far.

Hope he lives up to the early hype...they certainly need it out of him.

I think it's a HUGE plus that he will now be getting first team reps. It would be much worse if Bulaga had gotten hurt four weeks from now. Now the kid and the coaches have a month to mentally and physically prepare for a starting role. It's for this reason (and common sense) that I think it would be a huge mistake for Bulaga to try to play with the bad ACL.

 

[KellysHeroes]

A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

Pretty much this.

Glad you're writing off Perry and Jones so quickly.

Don't pay attention to these guys... they don't have a clue.

1) Starks was a GREAT pick for a 6th round guy in 2010. He turned it on during his rookie year and gave GB the running balance they needed during the Super Bowl run. It's very realistic to say he had a large imprint on them winning the SB that season. He's had an injury bug since then but for a 6th round pick that was fantastic.

2) Burnett in the 3rd in 2010. This wasn't a good pick? For real? He graded out by PFF as the 16th best safety last year.

3) Newhouse in the 5th in 2010. Sure, he didn't have a great year last year. But he's still a starting caliber right tackle in the NFL. And they got him in the 5th round! How is that not a great pick?

4) Cobb in the 2nd in 2011.

5) Davon House in the 4th round in 2011. Davon was arguably the best CB on the team before the shoulder injury, and still played well with the harness. I expect him to be a great contributor the next few years since his shoulder is healed now.

6) Perry in the 1st in 2012. Writing him off is a huge mistake. He is easily as athletic as Matthews, but is still learning his position. Remember, he played as an end at USC, so it was known he would take time to transition. The upside is massive.

7) Hayward in the 2nd in 2012. Are you freakin' kidding me excluding Hayward??? PFF graded him out as an ALL-PRO CORNERBACK in his rookie year.

Not to mention this draft class, which I think he killed. Datone, Lacy, Franklin, Bahkthiari are all going to be immediate contributors, and he got some solid WR talent late.

Yep, lots of good players but I was talking specifically about his lack of impact players from the first round. Personally I am glad Ted got back to his bread and butter this past year by drafting 11 players. He follows the Ron Wolf principle of throwing a lot of #### at the wall and seeing what sticks. And to be quite honest, this is the best possible strategy in the NFL. Players are very difficult to scout so take a lot of shots.In 2009 he picked 8 guys. He hit on 3. He really really hit on Raji and Matthews. Brad Jones is a low level starter. 3/8

In 2010 he picked 7 guys. He hit on 2 of those guys and neither is great. Bulaga and Burnett are decent. Middling level starters. 2/7

In 2011 he picked 10 guys. He hit big on Cobb. House is a decent player as well. DJ Williams looks like he's got backup level talent. 3/10

In 2012 he picked 8 guys. Looks like he hit on 1. Not writing the others off, but early returns on all of them outside of Heyward are not positive. 1/8

That's roughly 9/33 picks. Probably pretty close to NFL average I'd think. But he hasn't had a truly great pick since 2009 when he killed it with Matthews late in the first. He needs to absolutely smash a few out of the park soon or this team is going to continue to slide backwards while teams like Seattle and San Fran get better and better.

Not to make excuses but both SF and Seattle have had much better draft positions than the Packers have in the past 5 years or so. Other than 2009 the Packers have been drafting in the mid 20's or later every year.

LOL at you guys calling role players hits. Next you'll tell me their future studs.

The NFL is loaded with role players that is what mostly comes from the draft.

thats pretty much my point, the drafts are loaded with role players and I don't want to praise a team simply because drafted a bunch of role players in the past 3 yrs. Now granted, som teams can't even do that right. I know TT is one of the smartest GMs in the league but since taking Rodgers, Mathews and Raji his drafts have been pretty quiet.

 

[sho nuff]

Backitari could be a huge steal

I've read that the coaches are very high on this kid and that he's been dominating 1-on-1 pit drills in camp. Making me feel a little better about the loss of Bulaga.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/05/the-all-22-rookie-david-bakhtiari-could-surprise-as-packers-emergency-left-tackle/

He has been the buzz so far.

Hope he lives up to the early hype...they certainly need it out of him.

I think it's a HUGE plus that he will now be getting first team reps. It would be much worse if Bulaga had gotten hurt four weeks from now. Now the kid and the coaches have a month to mentally and physically prepare for a starting role. It's for this reason (and common sense) that I think it would be a huge mistake for Bulaga to try to play with the bad ACL.

Very true...the fortunate part of the injury is having it so early rather than scrambling at the 3rd preseason game trying to figure out who is going to play LT.

Announcement came today that Bulaga will have surgery and miss the season.

 

[hauser42]

Bit off topic but the flaws in Ted's drafting are imagined. Most top end people in the NFL and media praise him for his drafts. Very few impact players last past top 15 picks in most drafts. With good solid picks and coaching this team has stayed in contention for years.

Maybe Tom Bratz should be brought back to runddrafts and make personnel moves. Those that don't know he ran the team in the 80s when Packers won 10 games in 3 seasons combined if us fans were lucky.

Trying to help o line with Bulaga and Sherrod looked great on paper but reality is injuries took that away . Not Teds fault. By the way Wells is struggling with injuries College is being pushed at Cardinal camp. Good moves to let them leave like Wahlw and Riveria in the past..

 

[Matt Bitonti]

this is a blow to the Packers OL but let's be real that unit wasn't very good before the injury. Alot of uncertainty at tackle positions especially. Packers are like Falcons, terrible OL that get bailed out by good QB play and quick passing. The Packers OL actually played better last season when they had a chance to run the football (attack the LOS) and not just sit back getting blitzed all day long. sitton and lang are tough guys for sure.

as for Bakthiari this guy could easily win the job and start but he's probably 3 years in an NFL strength program away from being considered a good or great LT. Guys will manhandle him at times, he's light in the ### right now. This is often the case with rookies btw, even really high picks that turn out great hit the wall as rookies routinely. NFL trenches are like a meat grinder it's a place for men not boys.

I do also like Don Barclay he's a capable player at maybe all 5 positions. extremely versatile and he will play this year one way or another. and let me also put in the requisite Johnathan Franklin plug, JMO he ends up better NFL RB than Lacy.

So in summary they downgrade from like the 25th worst line to the 30th. from below average to bad. I don't know if you draft Randall Cobb two weeks ago thinking that his OL makes a difference.