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Electric cars - now worth considering (1 Viewer)

Bob Loblaw said:
I leased a VW eGolf last week (3 yrs, 10,000 mi/yr). Love it so far. I use a normal 110V to charge it overnight. It's our commuter car. Typically do 40-60 miles per day. I went with the eGolf over other EVs (Leaf, i3, etc.) because it still looks like a normal car.
How much was the lease?
$160/mo includes taxes, prepaid maintenance and wear & tear protection.

eta: $4,688 due at signing less $2,500 CA rebate = $2,188.
:shock: I could be all over that here in a year or so when I'm ready for my new vehicle... assuming they still have deals like that. Wow.
How much does the device cost that you install in your house so that you can recharge the vehicle?
You can get the cheaper/questionable ones for $500-$600. More known brands closer to $900.

Gotta pay the electrician for the 220V hookup, as well.

Most EVs come with a Level 1 (110V) EVSE (charger), but that is slow. Think overnight recharge.

 
I'm sure folks already know this but the "batteries" that make these electric and hybrids typically run, the amount of energy it takes or planet footprint let's call it, just as bad if not worse with the electric vehicles.
First, great sentence.Second, this is not true.
Until the largest source for producing electricity is no longer fossil fuels, yes it is.
So, to oversimplify it a bit, if your local utility actually burned gasoline to create electrcity, that gas-to-electricity-to-EV-battery-to wheels is still more efficient than gas tank to engine to wheels. EVs have a better footprint if you are strictly talking carbon.

Maybe the reference was to other battery issues? For instance, I read lithium mining is pretty nasty. Someone else mentioned it, but recycling should also help the disposal concerns.

 
Is it even thinkable to buy a Tesla, living in Charleston, SC? Nearest service areas are in Charlotte and Atlanta. Or are there other service options I'm unaware of?

 
Bob Loblaw said:
I leased a VW eGolf last week (3 yrs, 10,000 mi/yr). Love it so far. I use a normal 110V to charge it overnight. It's our commuter car. Typically do 40-60 miles per day. I went with the eGolf over other EVs (Leaf, i3, etc.) because it still looks like a normal car.
How much was the lease?
$160/mo includes taxes, prepaid maintenance and wear & tear protection.

eta: $4,688 due at signing less $2,500 CA rebate = $2,188.
:shock: I could be all over that here in a year or so when I'm ready for my new vehicle... assuming they still have deals like that. Wow.
How much does the device cost that you install in your house so that you can recharge the vehicle?
You can get the cheaper/questionable ones for $500-$600. More known brands closer to $900.

Gotta pay the electrician for the 220V hookup, as well.

Most EVs come with a Level 1 (110V) EVSE (charger), but that is slow. Think overnight recharge.
So is it a stupid assumption that a 220v outlet in my garage (no idea why it's there, it was there when I bought the place) would take care of that?

 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus_Electric

Mr. Ected said:
Bob Loblaw said:
I leased a VW eGolf last week (3 yrs, 10,000 mi/yr). Love it so far. I use a normal 110V to charge it overnight. It's our commuter car. Typically do 40-60 miles per day. I went with the eGolf over other EVs (Leaf, i3, etc.) because it still looks like a normal car.
How much was the lease?
$160/mo includes taxes, prepaid maintenance and wear & tear protection.

eta: $4,688 due at signing less $2,500 CA rebate = $2,188.
:shock: I could be all over that here in a year or so when I'm ready for my new vehicle... assuming they still have deals like that. Wow.
How much does the device cost that you install in your house so that you can recharge the vehicle?
You can get the cheaper/questionable ones for $500-$600. More known brands closer to $900.Gotta pay the electrician for the 220V hookup, as well.

Most EVs come with a Level 1 (110V) EVSE (charger), but that is slow. Think overnight recharge.
So is it a stupid assumption that a 220v outlet in my garage (no idea why it's there, it was there when I bought the place) would take care of that?
Yeah a dedicated 220V oulet would be what you need. 30Amp im guessing? Perfect for a 6-7 kW onboard charger like in the Ford Focus EV.

Crappy cut n paste link above.

Many of the Level2 EVSEs suggest a permanent wall mount, but you could just install a cord if you didn't want to tap in directly.

 
3/31 we get a look at the model 3. $35k without the rebates is a pretty sweet price.

Christ, Colorado has a $6k credit on top of the $7.5k federal credit.
$35,000 - $7500 federal tax credit = $27,500 - $6000 colorado tax credit = $21,500 - $1000 to reserve one on March 31 = $20,500 at time of delivery.  Seriously considering this even though I don't typically drive a sedan.  Does anyone have any experience with Tesla regarding dealer fees, upgrades?  I was curious how these work with Tesla

 
JHuber77 said:
$35,000 - $7500 federal tax credit = $27,500 - $6000 colorado tax credit = $21,500 - $1000 to reserve one on March 31 = $20,500 at time of delivery.  Seriously considering this even though I don't typically drive a sedan.  Does anyone have any experience with Tesla regarding dealer fees, upgrades?  I was curious how these work with Tesla
I don't think that's how the credits work.  You pay $34,000 at delivery.  You claim the credits on your income tax return.  Which means you have to have a tax burden of at least $13,500 to get the full benefit of the credits.

 
Volvo announcing they plan to be all electric and hybrid by 2019.

Tesla supposed to start shipping model 3s this week.

 
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proninja said:
Has anyone noticed the price of used Leafs lately? They've cratered. There's a 2013 with 25k miles for $7k at a dealer in my market. I spend about 150/mo in gas. Estimate about 30 in electricity. 84 mile range is more than enough. 

It almost seems dumb not to buy it. 
Good god - I just did a little i-shopping and it's crazy how cheap these things are.  Is there a huge battery degradation issue that these things are having?  

I feel dumb driving around in my 1999 Toyota 4Runner when I could be in a 2015 Leaf for 8-10k after trade in.  

 
Volvo announcing they plan to be all electric and hybrid by 2019.

Tesla supposed to start shipping model 3s this week.
Tesla also getting closer and closer to that 200k delivered mark where the $7500 tax credit goes adios.  Will be interesting to see how that affects sales.  

 
Good god - I just did a little i-shopping and it's crazy how cheap these things are.  Is there a huge battery degradation issue that these things are having?  

I feel dumb driving around in my 1999 Toyota 4Runner when I could be in a 2015 Leaf for 8-10k after trade in.  
Holy crap there's a ton between $8k - $9k right around me.  Why are these things so cheap?  With a round trip commute of 62 highway miles, I think my commute would work, yes?

 
proninja said:
Has anyone noticed the price of used Leafs lately? They've cratered. There's a 2013 with 25k miles for $7k at a dealer in my market. I spend about 150/mo in gas. Estimate about 30 in electricity. 84 mile range is more than enough. 

It almost seems dumb not to buy it. 
I want to learn more about how long these batteries last and what the degradation rate is.  Also - what will it cost to get it replaced (the battery).

 
2012 Leaf SL w/43k miles:  $5999

I spend $150 a month on gas for my 4Runner.  With the Leaf, I'd put increased electricity rate at $20, so +$130 a month in fuel savings alone.  Sell my 4Runner for $3k, offer the dealership $5k cash for the Leaf.  That $2k difference for my "upgrade" pays for itself in ~ 15 months.  

These things must be horrible to ride in.  WTF?  

 
2012 Leaf SL w/43k miles:  $5999

I spend $150 a month on gas for my 4Runner.  With the Leaf, I'd put increased electricity rate at $20, so +$130 a month in fuel savings alone.  Sell my 4Runner for $3k, offer the dealership $5k cash for the Leaf.  That $2k difference for my "upgrade" pays for itself in ~ 15 months.  

These things must be horrible to ride in.  WTF?  

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How often do the batteries need replacement?

 
I'm targeting a phev 5-series for my next car.  Tremendous value on these as my wife can charge for free at work.  

To offset this plan on buying a bunch of coal from west virginia and using it in my fireplace all winter long.

 
I'm targeting a phev 5-series for my next car.  Tremendous value on these as my wife can charge for free at work.  

To offset this plan on buying a bunch of coal from west virginia and using it in my fireplace all winter long.
Ah man that's simply too much winning!

 
Volvo announcing they plan to be all electric and hybrid by 2019.

Tesla supposed to start shipping model 3s this week.
They're just going to have to figure out how to get the cost down to stay competitive with people who may not value Hybrid as much.  When I got my XC90, there was absolutely no way to justify the premium from the T6 (supercharged/turbocharged 4 cyl) to the T8 (hybrid).  It was like $12,000 difference.  Even after government incentives, it was way too much of a premium.  My XC was already more pricey than my other options.  If I HAD to buy the T8, I'd have been priced out of the market.

 
2012 Leaf SL w/43k miles:  $5999

I spend $150 a month on gas for my 4Runner.  With the Leaf, I'd put increased electricity rate at $20, so +$130 a month in fuel savings alone.  Sell my 4Runner for $3k, offer the dealership $5k cash for the Leaf.  That $2k difference for my "upgrade" pays for itself in ~ 15 months.  

These things must be horrible to ride in.  WTF?  
Do it. Report back. 

 

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