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Eli Manning, Retired and the HoF Debate (4 Viewers)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Edit...Wouldn't that be the 33rd percentile?
you are correct. For some reason I thought I wrote 2/3. But I did say 1/3, and I meant 1/3. So yes 33rd percentile. Yikes, that sounds even worse
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Dont see how this ones on Eli
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I've never believed, much less "still". Eli the slack-jawed yokel is hands down the luckiest 2x Super Bowl winner in history. He lacks accuracy and makes terrible decisions, basically playing "3 flies up" into double and triple coverage for his Uber talented WRs who somehow make miracle catches when most needed.
He's a piss poor leader, as every mistake he makes he stands on the sidelines looking like he just smelled a fart, with body language that can only be described as "slumped". And when a receiver makes a mistake he shakes his head and gives them a scornful look like "we're gonna lose and it's all your fault!".
I've despised Eli Manning since he let his daddy block him going to the Chargers, completely circumventing the draft process through celebrity and influence. It was a chicken#### move for papa Archie manning and a little biotch move for baby manning to allow daddy to interfere and play along with the bs threat of sitting out of the chargers didn't trade him.
Happy to see he's got the same chances this post season as his older brother.
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He's a piss poor leader, as every mistake he makes he stands on the sidelines looking like he just smelled a fart, with body language that can only be described as "slumped". And when a receiver makes a mistake he shakes his head and gives them a scornful look like "we're gonna lose and it's all your fault!".
I've despised Eli Manning since he let his daddy block him going to the Chargers, completely circumventing the draft process through celebrity and influence. It was a chicken#### move for papa Archie manning and a little biotch move for baby manning to allow daddy to interfere and play along with the bs threat of sitting out of the chargers didn't trade him.
Happy to see he's got the same chances this post season as his older brother.
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Teams always say how awful their qbs are just before the season.
He certainly has the talent around him but he's underachieved every year so far and there isn't many years left.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
you're probably right but it seems odd when applied to a player who is top 10 (7th actually) in passing yards and TDs all time. 40th in rating though, so a lot of that is just longevity and era.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
It is amazing but without those surprise super bowls he's a bit of a rich man's Jay Cutler.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Six Top 10 finishes out of 13 seasons is really not that impressive for a guy many consider to be a lock HOFer. Fantasy wise, he's had one season with a VBD score over 25 (with a career total of 157). Over the past 3 seasons, he's ranked 17th in fantasy ppg. He is what he is at this point . . . a fantasy QB2 with upside to be a bottom end QB1 in terms of per game numbers. His year end rankings look better because he hasn't missed a game in 12 years as the full time starter. That's not necessarily a good thing for fantasy purposes.
need2know
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Marshall Done, ODB hurt as always and rookie TE that can't block.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Giants might want to fix the O-line next year, sad how they're wasted Eli the last 2 years and now he's a shell of himself with a terrible o-line.
dhockster
Footballguy
Actually, based on statistics, the last two years are pretty much in line or better than his career averages. Completion percentage is as high as it has ever been, and his TD to int ratio the last two years are a little better than his career average of 3 to 2. The only thing that has declined significantly this year is his yards per attempt, and a lot of that has to do with his WR's being hurt which has taken away his ability to go deep.
But to your point, yes, the Giants need to address their offensive line.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Yep. The 2 SB wins and his name will get him in but he doesn't deserve it. He's top 10 all time in a bunch of stats but don't think he was top 10 any of the seasons he played.
What are they going to do with him if they bench him though? Doesn't he have a no trade clause in his most recent contract and two more years to go? There'll be a whole new coaching staff and front office there. Coughlin's down in Jacksonville and they need a QB, would Gomer be willing to agree to a trade in that case? Doesn't seem likely given the past.
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Chaka
Footballguy
They're not benching him.
He's their best player by far right now and his decline in YPA is exclusively due to having about minus three seconds to hold the ball before he gets blasted yet again due to the continuing stream of olé blocks from his offensive line. Dudes think they're matadors.
And he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame just for being a two time Patriot killer.
He's their best player by far right now and his decline in YPA is exclusively due to having about minus three seconds to hold the ball before he gets blasted yet again due to the continuing stream of olé blocks from his offensive line. Dudes think they're matadors.
And he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame just for being a two time Patriot killer.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yeah they are not going to bench Eli. This is a situation where the coaching staff needs to bench themselves but of course that would never happen.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I think I'm starting him this week
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
when all the pundits say start this guy v sf this week I think it means bench his butt on your fantasy roster and dont look back.im inclined to believe this season is the anti-pundit season, where you go against the flow on every call..
shadyridr
Footballguy
Agreed unfortunately I have no choice. All the other popular picks are taken and Cutler has a tougher matchup
Football Jones
Footballguy
I disagree. The fact McAdoo has alluded to benching Eli is key (whether it's his decision or the FO). They're essentially softening the blow when it does come.
The Giants know what they have in Eli. This is a lost season & they have to take a look at Webb.
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Shutout
Footballguy
This has to be one of the hardest things for NFL teams to do. When you have what has been a the franchise qb, it is so much harder to transition.
The Packers got lucky. When their time came, they kind of knew what they probably had in Rodgers. The Giants don't know anything they have.
to look at a case study of how this type of thing goes wrong, look at the Colts and then the Broncos. The Colts moved on from Manning and lost everything pretty much. The last good years of Wayne, Freeney, etc. Not knowing anything they had behind Peyton. You also have to think that this team went entirely in a different direction in a bad way when they made that decision. Had they kept Manning, they most certainly would have invested more in the o and d lines instead of stocking up on fungible skill players over and over. They killed themselves and have probably wrecked Luck in the process.
Then look at the Broncos. They benefited from Indy's mistake but then found themselves where the Giants are now. How do you sit a Manning and groom a qb? You pretty much can't.
I guess if you are lucky enough to have a great qb it's a good problem to have and you will eventually find yourself in this pickle but it's hard to navigate.
The Packers got lucky. When their time came, they kind of knew what they probably had in Rodgers. The Giants don't know anything they have.
to look at a case study of how this type of thing goes wrong, look at the Colts and then the Broncos. The Colts moved on from Manning and lost everything pretty much. The last good years of Wayne, Freeney, etc. Not knowing anything they had behind Peyton. You also have to think that this team went entirely in a different direction in a bad way when they made that decision. Had they kept Manning, they most certainly would have invested more in the o and d lines instead of stocking up on fungible skill players over and over. They killed themselves and have probably wrecked Luck in the process.
Then look at the Broncos. They benefited from Indy's mistake but then found themselves where the Giants are now. How do you sit a Manning and groom a qb? You pretty much can't.
I guess if you are lucky enough to have a great qb it's a good problem to have and you will eventually find yourself in this pickle but it's hard to navigate.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
No the hardest thing is to never have a franchise QB in the first place, which is where more than a few teams fall. And the other teams you mentioned had a HOF QB which is even more rare. I think teams can invest all they want in the oline and dline, but it usually doesn't matter unless you have a good QB or a dominant defense and some luck along the way.
Here's why he's not a HOFer to me. To me a HOFer needs to have had multiple seasons where he was one of the unquestioned best players at his position i.e. Brady, Tomlinson, Rice, ect. Not once in his career has Eli ended a season where if someone asked you to name the top 5 QBs that year you would have said Eli.
Fact is they have no hot prospect to give the keys to.
No sense benching him unless you think it is to prevent injury for next year.
The pace they are going they can draft a to QB. Improve their offensive line.
They have some good young receiving talent and Manning would be good mentor to groom a rookie next year.
He has also had some tough games recently against 3 top defenses with no names at his starting receiver. His schedule going forward is one of the easier ones.
When all is said and done he will be middle of the pack at QB this year with no help from coaching line or receiver.
No sense benching him unless you think it is to prevent injury for next year.
The pace they are going they can draft a to QB. Improve their offensive line.
They have some good young receiving talent and Manning would be good mentor to groom a rookie next year.
He has also had some tough games recently against 3 top defenses with no names at his starting receiver. His schedule going forward is one of the easier ones.
When all is said and done he will be middle of the pack at QB this year with no help from coaching line or receiver.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Davis Webb was a 3rd round pick so he definitely should be considered a legit prospect.
The Giants also had an especially high grade on him.
Webb is going to get some PT this season.
The Giants also had an especially high grade on him.
Webb is going to get some PT this season.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He barely got anytime in preseason which never made any sense to me. I hope they start dressing him to give him some spot time if they are getting handled again. Gene Smith has no business taking any snaps at this point.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't necessarily know how it'll be handled, but whether Eli gets permanently benched or Webb is given spot duty, Eli is going to lose snaps to Webb this season.
My guess is Webb gets some starts, but we'll see.
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Chaka
Footballguy
The Packers knew what the had in Aaron Rodgers and it wasn't because they gave him an in season test drive.
