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Eric Decker (1 Viewer)

Actually debating playing him over LLoyd believe it or not.
I believe it since I started Decker over Lloyd last week. But I think Lloyd is the winner this week. Just a hunch. He was begging the coach for more targets this past week and I bet he gets them. But if it doesn't happen for Lloyd this week he's going to become bench-able in a hurry. I still like Decker's chances, but it'll be a tough one to figure out unless a trend develops soon.
 
Actually debating playing him over LLoyd believe it or not.
I believe it since I started Decker over Lloyd last week. But I think Lloyd is the winner this week. Just a hunch. He was begging the coach for more targets this past week and I bet he gets them. But if it doesn't happen for Lloyd this week he's going to become bench-able in a hurry. I still like Decker's chances, but it'll be a tough one to figure out unless a trend develops soon
Going back to the last 8 games of last season and the 2 he's played this year, Lloyd now has one (1) hundred yard game in his last ten starts. Is that a trend?Possible Trends for Decker:

[*]Targets by Week = 5 + 9 + 12

[*]Receptions by Week = 3 + 5 + 7

I'm starting him over a few other WW darlings (David Nelson, Torrey Smith), mostly because he has passed the eyeball test for me. I always favor guys I've had a chance to watch over accepting others accounts.

 
Going back to the last 8 games of last season and the 2 he's played this year, Lloyd now has one (1) hundred yard game in his last ten starts. Is that a trend?
That's a bit "pick and choose" for me, since he still finished last year as the top WR.He had two down weeks, though they were crucial for FF playoffs (weeks 13 & 14).And while I think some trends can span seasons, the Broncos are different this year, so I'm still on the "wait and see this THIS year" side.
 
I think we'll see Tramon more often than not on Brandon Lloyd. Woodson is easing more into a hybrid type role in different spots/situations. I think Decker will most likely see coverage primarily from Sam Shields.Regardless, The Green Bay pass defense isn't something to fear for fantasy purposes.
:goodposting: Interesting that woodson is being phased out as a lock down corner. Certainly could play the role last year...
 
Actually debating playing him over LLoyd believe it or not.
I believe it since I started Decker over Lloyd last week. But I think Lloyd is the winner this week. Just a hunch. He was begging the coach for more targets this past week and I bet he gets them. But if it doesn't happen for Lloyd this week he's going to become bench-able in a hurry. I still like Decker's chances, but it'll be a tough one to figure out unless a trend develops soon.
I did last week, but that had more to do with Lloyd easing back into his role/a reaggravation of injury etc. I see FBG's see Lloyd as a better start, but I'm not sure yet...
 
10 consecutive games started (discounted 1 missed injury game) = pick and choose.

Fascinating stuff.
4 of the games in your sample size were with Tebow starting at QB, but he still performed.Plus a new head coach this year. Too many variables.

And weeks 15, 16 and 17 from 2010 appeared to be "average" games for Lloyd.

So you were implying that a downward "trend" began around game 10 last year and I disagree. I don't see it at all. I only see 2 bad weeks.

If a trend has started, it began Week 1 of this season. But 2 games do not make a trend. It won't surprise me if his numbers stay down all season though. But if so, that didn't start last year. It started this year.

 
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10 consecutive games started (discounted 1 missed injury game) = pick and choose.

Fascinating stuff.
4 of the games in your sample size were with Tebow starting at QB, but he still performed.Plus a new head coach this year. Too many variables.

And weeks 15, 16 and 17 from 2010 appeared to be "average" games for Lloyd.

So you were implying that a downward "trend" began around game 10 last year and I disagree. I don't see it at all. I only see 2 bad weeks.

If a trend has started, it began Week 1 of this season. But 2 games do not make a trend. It won't surprise me if his numbers stay down all season though. But if so, that didn't start last year. It started this year.
Congrats on convincing yourself. I wasn't implying anything, or extrapolating, or explaining away, or rationalizing. I was stating - flatly - that he has had one hundred yard game in the last ten. That seems to contrast with having five hundred yard games in the first eight contests of 2010. But apparently, that's only true if you want it to be.

G'nite, mate.

 
'BobbyLayne said:
'LittlePhatty said:
'Hipple said:
Actually debating playing him over LLoyd believe it or not.
I believe it since I started Decker over Lloyd last week. But I think Lloyd is the winner this week. Just a hunch. He was begging the coach for more targets this past week and I bet he gets them. But if it doesn't happen for Lloyd this week he's going to become bench-able in a hurry. I still like Decker's chances, but it'll be a tough one to figure out unless a trend develops soon
Going back to the last 8 games of last season and the 2 he's played this year, Lloyd now has one (1) hundred yard game in his last ten starts. Is that a trend?Possible Trends for Decker:

[*]Targets by Week = 5 + 9 + 12

[*]Receptions by Week = 3 + 5 + 7

I'm starting him over a few other WW darlings (David Nelson, Torrey Smith), mostly because he has passed the eyeball test for me. I always favor guys I've had a chance to watch over accepting others accounts.
Not to hijack, but Ive seen more of David Nelson than Decker at this point, and he is the real deal too
 
'BobbyLayne said:
'LittlePhatty said:
'Hipple said:
Actually debating playing him over LLoyd believe it or not.
I believe it since I started Decker over Lloyd last week. But I think Lloyd is the winner this week. Just a hunch. He was begging the coach for more targets this past week and I bet he gets them. But if it doesn't happen for Lloyd this week he's going to become bench-able in a hurry. I still like Decker's chances, but it'll be a tough one to figure out unless a trend develops soon
Going back to the last 8 games of last season and the 2 he's played this year, Lloyd now has one (1) hundred yard game in his last ten starts. Is that a trend?Possible Trends for Decker:

[*]Targets by Week = 5 + 9 + 12

[*]Receptions by Week = 3 + 5 + 7

I'm starting him over a few other WW darlings (David Nelson, Torrey Smith), mostly because he has passed the eyeball test for me. I always favor guys I've had a chance to watch over accepting others accounts.
Not to hijack, but Ive seen more of David Nelson than Decker at this point, and he is the real deal too
[MeanderingOffTopic]Agreed - caught my eye last year (6'5" receivers are always intriguing), and in the two Bills games I've watched he's been impressive. I was going to bench him based on the matchup, Cincy is giving up the fewest FF points to WRs in PPR format. HOWEVER - I just realized they have faced two below average receiving corps plus Denver without Lloyd. Figure Hall is on Stevie, Clements on Donald Jones, nickel back Gabril Wilson **MATCHUP ALERT** HOLY CRAP GET NELSON IN YOUR LINEUP. I just realized the Bungles signed Wilson; thought for sure that chump was out of the league.

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Starting Decker (1st time) and Nelson (last week + this week) together. That probably means keeping steady Santana Moss in the lineup and benching Reggie "Curtis I was open!" Wayne. Crap.

 
fwiw from cbs

News: Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy confirmed that WR Brandon Lloyd approached him this week about being targeted more. McCoy took no issue with the request. "Of course, you want to get him the ball more," McCoy maintained. "Have we played a certain style of offense the first three weeks? Yes. But we’ll find a way to get him the ball."

 
[MeanderingOffTopic]

**MATCHUP ALERT** HOLY CRAP GET NELSON IN YOUR LINEUP.
I'm starting Nelson too. Decker got 5/113/2 against the Bengals. Strength of Schedule means crap after only 3 games (not enough data).
I intended to swap out Wayne for Nelson, but decided - no logic - I wanted a MNF guy going. Not a good day for Bills WR from my first glance (been out all day, NFL free day). Decker is saving my week, and leaving Wayne in was almost surely the right move. Logically I thought Nelson out of the slot would toast Gabril Wilson.We can ovethink this stuff a lot (and it's fun to do exactly that), but comes down to a fair amount of luck every most weeks.

 
I haven't used Decker yet, but in a league with no TE requirement I am glad I dropped Winslow and picked up Decker. He seems like a solid WR and I can't imagine Royal nudging him out of the lineup.

 
Those thinking that Green Bay is going to struggle in the pass defense department are confused.
I'm a realistic Packers homer who hasn't missed a Packers game since the start of DTV Sunday ticket. And it was no confusion. The Packers pass d is average at best. Especially without Nick Collins. Confused?
 
I traded Decker along with Jimmy Graham and Daniel Thomas to get Miles Austin ( with Vernon Davis) and I am a little sorry I did the trade. This Decker kid can flat out play. I think hes a High end WR2 going forward. He a very good WR.

 
Need to start him next week since I lost Andre....hope he does the same thing next week!!!
Sorry to hijack, but your WR's on your dynasty team are sick. How on earth did you manage to get Calvin, Fitz, AJ, and Roddy? 4 of the consensus top 5 dynasty WR's on your team? That's insane.
 
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He's not coming out of my lineup until he has back to back clunkers. Cant believe I started Denarius Moore over him.
The way FBG was pumping him this week, its understandable. I was so sold on Moore, I offered McGahee, Decker and Owen Daniels for Moore and Aaron Hernandez. Guy didn't respond by gametime, so I pulled it....phew! Right now he's got elite target upside combined with very good RZ targets and high YPC. I've got Wallace, Harvin, Moss, Green, Decker and Nelson on my team. Decker is showing the weekly floor of Moss, Nelson and Harvin with the upside of Green. I'm with you.....he's my WR2 until I see multiple letdowns. He's the Bizzaro-Ingram on my team right now. :)
 
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Need to start him next week since I lost Andre....hope he does the same thing next week!!!
Sorry to hijack, but your WR's on your dynasty team are sick. How on earth did you manage to get Calvin, Fitz, AJ, and Roddy? 4 of the consensus top 5 dynasty WR's on your team? That's insane.
I was more impressed with faulkfan's WR corps on the next post:Megatron, AJ, Nicks, Fitz, VJax :shock:
Ha, good call. Didn't even see that one. Embarrassment of riches.
 
Im sure someone already asked this in this post, didnt read them all, but there has to be concern what happens with Tebow comes in with Decker right?

 
Im sure someone already asked this in this post, didnt read them all, but there has to be concern what happens with Tebow comes in with Decker right?
I'm not so sure it happens at any point regardless of record. John Fox is a stubborn man. That and I'm not sure he's even the number 2 quarterback. Tebow, in my opinion won't be given a chance.
 
Glad to see Deck have a really good weekend. I've liked his talent for a long time and I knew it was just a matter of opportunity. It's obvious Orton just loves him, and if Denver were to get a better QB down the line(I highly doubt any QB currently on the roster is the future franchise guy) he could be something really special. Just update your notebooks for next time to listen to me....sometimes... :lmao:

 
With an upcoming bye, and a week or two to see if Decker can survive with Tebow, it's going to be a big chunk of the fantasy regular season before Decker sees my lineup again. Thanks for the memories, Eric.

 
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.

 
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.
Tebow was 4 of 10 for 79, with the best reception to Moreno and an unnecessarily great catch by Lloyd. Downgrade all Broncos. They'll score fewer TDs and of those TDs...Tebow will keep more of them for himself.
 
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.
Tebow was 4 of 10 for 79, with the best reception to Moreno and an unnecessarily great catch by Lloyd. Downgrade all Broncos. They'll score fewer TDs and of those TDs...Tebow will keep more of them for himself.
The Broncos averaged 20.6 points per game with Orton and 25 with Tebow last year. I don't know how many touchdowns but your conclusion that the Broncos will score less touchdowns in unfounded
 
Is the end for Decker now that Tebow is the QB?
He can't be any worse than Orton.This is a passing league and Denver has no RB worth a damn.
He might not be worse than Orton fantasy wise, but IMO Tebow will kill Decker's value. Im going to shop him this week.And I dont understand how you can say DEN doesnt have a RB worth a damn when McGahee has put up 100yds rushing in 3 of his last 4 games.
 
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.
Tebow was 4 of 10 for 79, with the best reception to Moreno and an unnecessarily great catch by Lloyd. Downgrade all Broncos. They'll score fewer TDs and of those TDs...Tebow will keep more of them for himself.
The Broncos averaged 20.6 points per game with Orton and 25 with Tebow last year. I don't know how many touchdowns but your conclusion that the Broncos will score less touchdowns in unfounded
That stat is helpful despite the kickoff return(s) (I remember at least some in those last three games) and we'll put aside the fact that he faced the Texans historically awful defense since he faced the Chargers and Raiders in the other weeks.But saying a prediction is unfounded is simply an incorrect statement. I have reasons for that prediction that have nothing to do with their PPG late last year. So I say they finish 15th-25th in offensive TDs per game going forward? You put them ahead of that? Really?

 
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'Tango said:
'shnikies said:
'Tango said:
'cvnpoka said:
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.
Tebow was 4 of 10 for 79, with the best reception to Moreno and an unnecessarily great catch by Lloyd. Downgrade all Broncos. They'll score fewer TDs and of those TDs...Tebow will keep more of them for himself.
The Broncos averaged 20.6 points per game with Orton and 25 with Tebow last year. I don't know how many touchdowns but your conclusion that the Broncos will score less touchdowns in unfounded
That stat is helpful despite the kickoff return(s) (I remember at least some in those last three games) and we'll put aside the fact that he faced the Texans historically awful defense since he faced the Chargers and Raiders in the other weeks.But saying a prediction is unfounded is simply an incorrect statement. I have reasons for that prediction that have nothing to do with their PPG late last year. So I say they finish 15th-25th in offensive TDs per game going forward? You put them ahead of that? Really?
Tebow actually throws a good deep ball because he buys time. I think his problems are over the middle, not down the field.
 
'shnikies said:
'Tango said:
'cvnpoka said:
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.
Tebow was 4 of 10 for 79, with the best reception to Moreno and an unnecessarily great catch by Lloyd. Downgrade all Broncos. They'll score fewer TDs and of those TDs...Tebow will keep more of them for himself.
The Broncos averaged 20.6 points per game with Orton and 25 with Tebow last year. I don't know how many touchdowns but your conclusion that the Broncos will score less touchdowns in unfounded
Well, at 5 points, it looks like they'll only be scoring an extra field goal and safety...so no more touchdowns.
 
"Minor" downgrade according to FBG and I actually think Decker gets an upgrade due to his size and play making ability. Decker is a big target.

"WR Eric Decker, DEN - The Denver passing game will see a downgrade across the board with its receivers because Tim Tebow simply lacks the accuracy an understanding off the offense to execute certain plays from the pocket that are generally easier for traditional passers. However, the downgrade is still a minor one at this time because what Tebow lacks from the pocket he makes up for with his ability to keep plays alive. Think about the Florida offense and you'll remember that Riley Cooper, David Nelson, and Aaron Hernandez were all essentially big receivers. Decker is a big receiver and Brandon Lloyd's unfathomably good catch radius makes him a big receiver. Therefore we believe Decker remains a viable, low-end fantasy WR3, especially with a bye-week for the Broncos to give Tebow some time to work with the starting receiver corps. We wouldn't drop him for any of the waiver wire receivers other than Pierre Garcon and we wouldn't blame you for taking a wait and see approach"

 
Tebow actually throws a good deep ball because he buys time. I think his problems are over the middle, not down the field.
I don't think buying time makes him a good deep ball thrower cuz his delivery is so chaotic and random that the WRs aren't sure when the ball will be thrown. If you saw the hail mary, DEN WRs were surprised when the ball was released and that delay meant that none could get into good position. Lloyd said in pre-season that a delivery like his means that not only doesn't he know when the ball is coming, but also "how". In addition, he also said that it's frustrating to WRs who aren't the primary as you know that the lack of progression reading means that secondary targets take a back seat to tebow running.
 
'Jayrod said:
'shnikies said:
denver wr did much better with tebow than orton today. not really sure whats going on. 3 catches for 16 yards between lloyd and decker is lol. chargers are good defense tho.
Tebow was 4 of 10 for 79, with the best reception to Moreno and an unnecessarily great catch by Lloyd. Downgrade all Broncos. They'll score fewer TDs and of those TDs...Tebow will keep more of them for himself.
The Broncos averaged 20.6 points per game with Orton and 25 with Tebow last year. I don't know how many touchdowns but your conclusion that the Broncos will score less touchdowns in unfounded
Well, at 5 points, it looks like they'll only be scoring an extra field goal and safety...so no more touchdowns.
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Tebow actually throws a good deep ball because he buys time. I think his problems are over the middle, not down the field.
I don't think buying time makes him a good deep ball thrower cuz his delivery is so chaotic and random that the WRs aren't sure when the ball will be thrown. If you saw the hail mary, DEN WRs were surprised when the ball was released and that delay meant that none could get into good position. Lloyd said in pre-season that a delivery like his means that not only doesn't he know when the ball is coming, but also "how". In addition, he also said that it's frustrating to WRs who aren't the primary as you know that the lack of progression reading means that secondary targets take a back seat to tebow running.
This all makes sense
 

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