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I sure hope so. He also had 48 receptions in little over a 1/2 season. He carried the rock 222 times and only fumbled once. I am taking him as my second back without worries.
My question is what did Caddy do when he had the opportunity? And now he hopes to be able to play this season.Also Dunn isn't a GL back.I'm not buying any of it.
Banger said:
His talent level prevents him from being ranked higher than about a low end RB2 for me. Lower talent players are more easily replaced. I'd be selling high as soon as he puts up a big game.
I don't know, didn't they same the same things about Rudi Johnson when he replaced C. Dillon?!Banger said:His talent level prevents him from being ranked higher than about a low end RB2 for me. Lower talent players are more easily replaced. I'd be selling high as soon as he puts up a big game.
i have a hard time believing in Bennett. His best season - the only time he ever rushed for more than 500 yards - was in 2002. he's going to be 30 once the season starts too. no one is expecting him to start, i know, but i think he's an insurance policy until cadillac returns. graham will lose 3rd carries to dunn. he's also a fantastic change of pace back from the plodding, grind it out style of EG. cadillac's return - provided he's healthy and effective - will mean the Tampa running game will be truly RBBC. EG will be a a player that should look good for the first half of the season. if you have him on your roster, i would look to move him before week 8 or so. he should be a definite sell high candidate by week 6.bucsbaby said:
Isn't that basically the same kind of deal Ryan Grant signed? Basically all he got guaranteed is his 08' salary as well.
Garner couldn't hold Dunn's jock.
Not 100% sure here, but I think 3 mil a year is probably close to veteran minimum for a player with 12 years of NFL tenure? Anybody have that scale at their fingertips (I couldn't find it easily on NFLPA web site)? I don't think the .5 million difference in salary represents much in this case, anyway.
actually I was reffering to the roles. I view Dunn having a huge role on TB. Graham isn't going to get the catches he got in 07.Graham - 900 yds ru and 10 TD's 20 rec 150 yds 0 TD'sDunn - 700 yds ru 2 TD's 65 rec 550 yds 3 TD's
my bad...
i think it's safe to say that ATL was in complete disarray last year. no one looks good when harrington is your starting QB. dunn rushed for over 1100 yards in 2006. he put together a combined 2500 rushing yards the two seasons before that. is he the same player that he was in his prime? likely not but then he's not being asked to carry the load. graham can be the workhorse. dunn can catch the ball, be a change of pace back and the like. he's the perfect complement to a grinder that graham is.
I'm not sure it would be a wise decision to give a large number of touches per game to a 33-year-old RB whose skills appeared last season to be in significant decline. But that's me.
Once again right on the Money Anthony. A very mediocre back in a great situation last year. The comparisons between Grahm and Grant are really bad. Anyone who watched both last year in my opinion could not come away thinking both of these gents poses the same level of talent. Grant stepped in when others where mediocre to poor and excelled. The Giants staff liked Grant but were bubbling over in RB talent. The Pack in my opinion got 1st round talent on the cheap. Grahm did well in his situation and should be given the respect for stepping in and stepping up, but anyone on a John Gruden team is hanging by a small thread at all times and can easily be yoked out of the lineup. I would not pass Grahm up in a late round or as a desperation play in fantasy leagues this year, but I would wait to snag him until most of your starting lineup is filled.It is always possible for Grahm to excel this year and exceed most prognosticators predictions, so I think if you really like Grahm and thought he looked the part last year then draft away. I would not under any circumstances draft him ahead of Grant or any of the consensus top 15 backs. But we could wrong....Banger said:His talent level prevents him from being ranked higher than about a low end RB2 for me. Lower talent players are more easily replaced. I'd be selling high as soon as he puts up a big game.
While Garner didn't shine as long, when he did it was brighter. Garner had three years in a four year stretch that were better than Dunn's best.
He's been looking good in TC, and busted off a 40 yd TD run last week. He's not just using him as a 3rd down back either.
Warrick Dunn was signed by his buddy Gruden as somewhat of a player/coach, not a guy to be used a lot.He's 33 and looked horrendous last season. If Caddy comes back or they sign another back i could see some fear about Graham, but as it stands now he has 0 competition to his job.Seriously....Dunn...did those who are touting him watch him at all last season? It was sad how much he's lost. Once the little/quick guys lose their burst they have nothing to fall back on, and that's what happened to Dunn.Dunn will have around 50-80 carries this year, nothing more.zed2283 said:
My case in point. If you want Graham, I think you're going to have to draft him higher than his ranking to get him ahead of the guys who had him last year. The owners who had him last year won't easily overlook what he did for them, even if everyone else wants to.
I could see Gruden giving him carries. He's stubborn enough to do that. However, I believe that unless Dunn shows significant improvement compared to last season and Graham shows a significant decline, giving Dunn a significant number of carries will be a mistake - and quite possibly a huge one. Watching him last season, he looked washed up. And yes I realize he was on a bad team, but I'm not sure how many 33-year-old RBs bounce back from a two-year decline in production and a previous season that was nothing short of terrible.
i don't anyone really believes that he's going to get many touches though. gruden is famous for talking out of his ### to play games with players, media and the like. he was talking up cadillac during graham's contract negotiations. he was talking about trading for Favre while Garcia was holding out. he talks like this every single year. david boston anyone? michael pittman? people should know better. he uses the media better than anyone to get in his own players heads and muddy the water. it makes him very entertaining for the press but, within the FF realm, it causes the gnashing of teeth.i have explained what i think dunn's role is. sure, some of it is age (last year's struggles are pretty easy to explain) but think more of it is he has players to carry the load. let dunn do what he's best at. let graham and maybe cadillac later in the season do what they're best at.
That would almost be a career high in receptions.
There is a huge difference in Dunns situation the last 2 seasons, and his situation this year. Tampa Bay's o-line is sick & very deep. not to mention Askew is a great blocking FB, and Gilmore is a good run blocking TE. Anyone carrying the ball for Tampa is going to do well.
I'll admit I saw very little of Graham last year, but once he got the job it seemed like the guy put up solid numbers and scored every week. So what's not to like this year, if we assume he's the starter and will get most of the work?I'd like to know, because I'm considering him as a good value #2RB.
I agree that as a RB he isn't overly impressive. What was impressive was his ability to catch the ball with consistency. He is also a great closer. That's why I think he is going to really help out in the 2nd half of games when Tampa is trying to secure a lead. If you remember this is when Gruden started usng him last year before Caddy went out in the Stl. game. Stl. D was tired, and Graham just kept wearing them down. I see Gruden using Graham like like Alstott.
Warrick Dunn was signed by his buddy Gruden as somewhat of a player/coach, not a guy to be used a lot.
Dunn is also older. I'm not sure how many 33-year-old RBs in the history of the league have shown a marked improvement once they begin to decline. I think he'd be best served as a third-down RB who gets 4-5 carries a game to keep Graham fresh. Based on how bad he looked last year and given his decline in production the past two, I think it would be a mistake to give him more as long as Graham is healthy and doesn't drop off from what he showed last season.But I can see Gruden forcing Dunn into a larger role and I can also see the Bucs suffering because of it.
