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ESPN reporting that Ricky Williams is retiring (1 Viewer)

My favorite quote from the Herald article is when Ricky says ''The only people I'm accountable to are to my three children, and they love me anyway." Those are the only people he's accountable to? The Fins will find another RB. If Ricky wouldn't have waited until the 11th hour to make this decision, they might have even found a running back this year.Ricky didn't make the right choice, he made the easy choice. I never understood all of his actions, but I always respected him. This is no longer true.
My favorite quote from the Herald article is when Ricky says ''The only people I'm accountable to are to my three children, and they love me anyway." Those are the only people he's accountable to?
Well, them and God and that would be whatever form you believe in.
The Fins will find another RB. If Ricky wouldn't have waited until the 11th hour to make this decision, they might have even found a running back this year.
Exactly the Fins will find another RB and yes the NFL is still a game.
Ricky didn't make the right choice, he made the easy choice. I never understood all of his actions, but I always respected him. This is no longer true.
Could not agree with you more although I still respect him not many people even in his wealthy position chose thier own children over their own career, wealth, and fame.Exactly how soon would you quit after winning a mega lottery??? A standard two weeks notice would seem reasonable and time enough for me.
 
Great nowwe have something to look forward to every football year,,,,

Ricky Williams to sign with Giants and Barry Sanders to sign with Miami :rotflmao:

 
I don't think anybody's mentioned this scenario yet:Miami treads water this year with what they have and maybe adding J.Stewart, and signs free agent E.James next year. There's a chance the Colts can't afford him and Harrison both. He's from Florida, played at Miami and seemed dying to go there a year or so ago, Seems like a good fit. Just my $0.02
Isn't that trading one flake for another?
 
Minor was a pretty decent back here at FSU. Came in with a lot of hype (next Warrick Dunn, etc), and never really lived up to it...but did have a nice career. Shifty guy, made a lot of players miss. May be of some value if he gets 15-20 carries.

 
Players like Emmitt/George are always criticized for playing when their skills have diminished. Players like Williams are criticized for leaving when their skills are still there. Where's the line? :loco:

 
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Players like Emmitt/George are always criticized for playing when their skills have diminished. Players like Williams are criticized for leaving when their skills are still there. Where's the line? :loco:
It's where every blowhard with an opinion and a computer decides to make it.Personally, I don't begrudge any of these guys for hanging on too long or leaving too early. But it was pretty tacky how Ricky left his team in such a poor position. Very selfish. Should've left months ago.
 
I think all the Philly fans that BOOED McNabb after the team selected him instead of Ricky Williams need to be VERY grateful right now.

 
I don't know what actually led to this, but I am pretty sure David Boston is somehow to blame!?!?!?! Hey, FallerJW, you out there? Care to pipe in and refute this!!!! :excited:

 
Players like Emmitt/George are always criticized for playing when their skills have diminished. Players like Williams are criticized for leaving when their skills are still there. Where's the line? :loco:
It's where every blowhard with an opinion and a computer decides to make it.Personally, I don't begrudge any of these guys for hanging on too long or leaving too early. But it was pretty tacky how Ricky left his team in such a poor position. Very selfish. Should've left months ago.
The timing obviously wasn't the best but maybe he has been thinking about it for quite a while and as training camp grew closer he realized that playing football is not what he wanted to do.
 
Players like Emmitt/George are always criticized for playing when their skills have diminished. Players like Williams are criticized for leaving when their skills are still there. Where's the line? :loco:
If Eddie would have retired this offseason I think most people would have cheered it... If Emmitt would have retired after breaking the record most would have cheered him too (except for those that didnt like the fact he hung around for the record).
 
Players like Emmitt/George are always criticized for playing when their skills have diminished. Players like Williams are criticized for leaving when their skills are still there. Where's the line?
somewhere prior to the draft and free agency so the team that sank 2 first round draft picks in you 2 years ago can make alternate arrangements.
 
Meami Herald Artcile from the Blogger

Williams, who was scheduled to earn approximately $3.5 million this season, told Wannstedt of his decision Friday and said Wannstedt tried a variety of ways to persuade him to reconsider. Wannstedt, who approved the 2002 trade with New Orleans to acquire Williams for two first-round picks, went so far as to say if Williams were his son, he would tell him to play.

Williams retorted that Wannstedt would want his son to do whatever made him happy. Williams said he was ''hurt'' by their conversation.
While it's not Wannstedt's fault RW is quitting, that's just an astoundingly stupid thing for him to say to try to talk him out of it. A 7th-grader could see right though that one. Does he tell that to injured players? "I know your ligament is torn, but if you were my son I'd advise you to play." ;)

 
ALWAYS, ALWAYS trust your first gut instinct!!!! I have had RW for the last 4 years in our 2 keeper league. This year, just before the deadline to declare the keepers, I got a bad feeling about Ricky. Thought it was due to the near 800 carries in 2 years about to catch up in the form of a big injury. I kept Fred Taylor instead, drawing a few odd looks from the other owners. I'll acknowledge that Fragile Fred still makes me a bit nervous, but my RB depth was somewhat lacking last year and he was the next best option to pair with Marvin.Now I look like a genius!! Or at the very least, a clairvoyant!!! :DAs far as options, the Bennett or O-Smith deal would be great if they can pull it. They might also want to give Denver a call. They seem to have about a dozen backs on the roster. Eddie George has to be kicking holes in the walls right about now.

 
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Very often, when you read pre-draft scouting reports on college players you will see things like "questionable heart and intensity", or "lacks a passion for the game." Now you know why it's important to identify and separate players who really love the game (Peyton Manning, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, et al) from players who view the game as strictly a source of income.

Miami's season is effectively over before it started because of this.

 
1998 Detroit Lions5-11Barry Sanders - 1st in '97, 10th in '98, retired in '991998 stats: 343 carries, 1,491 yards, 4 TDs. Drop of 1.8 ypc from 1997.Lions:1998: 19th in rushing attempts, 10th in rushing yards, 3rd in YPC, 12th in RTD; 14th in total yards, 20th in points scored. No other RB had 20 carries on the season!1999: 30th in rushing attempts, 28th in rushing yards, 24th in YPC, 26th in RTD; 19th in total yards, 15th in points scored (Germane Crowell breakout year; Lions unexpectedly became a top 10 passing team).1999 Detroit Lions: 8-8.2000 Minnesota Vikings11-5Robert Smith: 23rd in '99, 7th in '00, retired in '012000 stats: 295 carries, 1,521 yards, 7 TDs2000 Vikings: 17th in rushing attempts, 6th in rushing yards, 1st in YPC, 16th in RTD; 5th in total yards and total points; Culpepper's first season. No other RB had 25 carries!2001 Vikings: 28th in rushing attempts, 25th in rushing yards, 10th in YPC, 21st in RTD; 12th in total yards, 24th in total points. Bennett was drafted to replace Smith; Culpepper got hurt; Cris Carter fell off.2001 Minnesota Vikings:5-112003 Miami Dolphins10-6Ricky Williams: 2nd in '02, 9th in '03, retired in '042003 Stats: 392 carries, 1,372 yards, 9 TDs.Dolphins:2003: 8th in rushing attempts, 17th in rushing yards, 27th in YPC, 14th in RTD; 24th in total yards, 17th in total points. Travis Minor had 41 carries, for 4.7 ypc.The Lions went from 489 pass attempts to 558--an increase of 69 passes, 12.3%The Vikings went from 495 pass attempts to 555--an increase of 60 passes, 10.8%The Dolphins had 450 attempts last year. They should pass the ball over 500 times in 2004.
Id like to see what the numbers for WRs on those teams looked like before and after Barry and Smith. Just because the Phins may pass more doesnt mean the WRs will benefit. What was the completion percentage of Detroits and Minnesotas QBs before and after the retirements??Im bumping Chambers, McMichael and Boston DOWN in my rankings unless I see something that suggests their numbers will go up, which I cant see happening with Miamis QB situation.
 
I think all the Philly fans that BOOED McNabb after the team selected him instead of Ricky Williams need to be VERY grateful right now.
We were wrong!!signed,

Angelo Cataldi & "The Dirty Thirty"

(For those who don't know: Angelo Cataldi, the morning show host at 610WIP, created a group of Eagles fans called "The Dirty Thirty", an especially raucous croud of drunk neanderthals that shout unintellegibly whenever they call in or show up at the tent across the street from the Vet and now the Linc before games. It is perhaps the lowest common denominator of Philly fans, and perhaps the greatest collection of walking genetic relics ever put together. My recolection is that they were actually put together by Cataldi for the express purpose of going to the 1999 NFL Draft to cheer the Eagles selection of Ricky Williams. They are, of course, famous now for BOOing McNabb, when the Eagles selected him instead of Ricky. )

 
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In times of trouble you turn to your friends and family. Dave W. and Norv have a long history from their Dallas days. Also don't forget Campo up in Clev. who is running the Def now. Norv has backs to spare, so I can see the Raiders moving a RB for a draft pic. Low risk move for the Raiders who otherwise will have to cut one of their RB's. Why not trade one for a future draft pic? Raiders win and Phins get a RB to compete and push Minor. Also would the BUS up in Pitt. be willing to make one last run being the go to guy? Just my 2 cents

 
Id like to see what the numbers for WRs on those teams looked like before and after Barry and Smith. Just because the Phins may pass more doesnt mean the WRs will benefit. What was the completion percentage of Detroits and Minnesotas QBs before and after the retirements??Im bumping Chambers, McMichael and Boston DOWN in my rankings unless I see something that suggests their numbers will go up, which I cant see happening with Miamis QB situation.
I posted this in one of the 48 other Williams threads . . .
There have been only two recent circumstances where a Top 10 RB left his team high and dry: Barry Sanders and Robert Smith. Here's how things shaped up the following year in those instances.Top Starters' Numbers Last Season WITH SandersQB Batch: 173-303-2178 11 TD 6 INT (12 games)WR Morton 69-1028-2WR Moore 82-983-5WR Crowell 25-464-3TE Rasby 15-119-1Top Starters' Numbers First Season WITHOUT SandersQB Batch 151-270-1957 13 TD 7 INT (11 games)QB Frerotte 175-288-2117 9 TD 7 INT (9 games)RB Hill 144-542-2 WR Crowell 81-1338-7WR Morton 80-1129-5WR Moore 16-197-2 (Injured)TE Rasby 3-19-1The QB situation seems similar to that in Miami. The WR numbers actually were pretty similar, and I think Morton and Crowell got a big boost with Moore injured most of the year--moreso than having anything to do with Sanders leaving.Top Starters' Numbers Last Season WITH SmithQB Culpepper 297-474-3937 33 TD 16 INTWR Moss 77-1437-15WR Carter 96-1274-9TE Davis 17-202-1Top Starters' Numbers First Season WITHOUT SmithQB Culpepper 235-366-2612 14 TD 13 INT (11 games)QB Bouman 51-89-795 8 TD 4 INT (9 games)RB Bennett 172-682-2 WR Moss 82-1233-10 WR Carter 73-871-6TE Chamberlain 57-666-3IIRC, the Vikes had a much harder time moving the ball and then CPep got injured. They never got much going on the ground, and the beneficiary seemed to be Chamberlain.It's interesting that both these teams did not go out and add another RB.
 
Id like to see what the numbers for WRs on those teams looked like before and after Barry and Smith. Just because the Phins may pass more doesnt mean the WRs will benefit. What was the completion percentage of Detroits and Minnesotas QBs before and after the retirements??Im bumping Chambers, McMichael and Boston DOWN in my rankings unless I see something that suggests their numbers will go up, which I cant see happening with Miamis QB situation.
I posted this in one of the 48 other Williams threads . . .
There have been only two recent circumstances where a Top 10 RB left his team high and dry: Barry Sanders and Robert Smith. Here's how things shaped up the following year in those instances.Top Starters' Numbers Last Season WITH SandersQB Batch: 173-303-2178 11 TD 6 INT (12 games)WR Morton 69-1028-2WR Moore 82-983-5WR Crowell 25-464-3TE Rasby 15-119-1Top Starters' Numbers First Season WITHOUT SandersQB Batch 151-270-1957 13 TD 7 INT (11 games)QB Frerotte 175-288-2117 9 TD 7 INT (9 games)RB Hill 144-542-2 WR Crowell 81-1338-7WR Morton 80-1129-5WR Moore 16-197-2 (Injured)TE Rasby 3-19-1The QB situation seems similar to that in Miami. The WR numbers actually were pretty similar, and I think Morton and Crowell got a big boost with Moore injured most of the year--moreso than having anything to do with Sanders leaving.Top Starters' Numbers Last Season WITH SmithQB Culpepper 297-474-3937 33 TD 16 INTWR Moss 77-1437-15WR Carter 96-1274-9TE Davis 17-202-1Top Starters' Numbers First Season WITHOUT SmithQB Culpepper 235-366-2612 14 TD 13 INT (11 games)QB Bouman 51-89-795 8 TD 4 INT (9 games)RB Bennett 172-682-2 WR Moss 82-1233-10 WR Carter 73-871-6TE Chamberlain 57-666-3IIRC, the Vikes had a much harder time moving the ball and then CPep got injured. They never got much going on the ground, and the beneficiary seemed to be Chamberlain.It's interesting that both these teams did not go out and add another RB.
As far as looking at how RW retirement may have a correlation with when Robert Smith retired I do not think it is a very fair comparison.in 2001 when Robert Smith retired the Vikings also let LT Todd Steussie go in free agency. Then Korey Stringer DIED in training camp. So the Vikings lost both of thier starting tackles that year and yes that was a much bigger deal than losing Robert Smith. Which also did not help. Daunte Culpepper was in only his 2nd year as a starter with the Vikings and he lost 3 VERY important peices in the offence all at once. Pro Bowl Gaurd Randall McDaniel was also gone from that offseason IIRC but it may have been from the year before.In any case. The Vikings were in shambles for a lot more reasons than just Robert Smith retiring. So I do not see much reason to make a comparison.The Barry Sanders retirement is much closer to a similar impact that RWs retirement may have on the Dolphins in 2004 than the Vikings comparison.
 
How soon before Ricky signs a Baseball contract?  ;)
All kidding aside, did he have legitimate major league potential?
The Phillies drafted him.Of course, they also picked the immortal Jeff Jackson ahead of Frank Thomas.
I posted this earlier in the thread:
A side note - Ricky played rookie league baseball for the Martinsville Philles one summer when he was still at Texas. He was an incredible athlete, and could have been a major leaguer had he stuck with baseball. I went to 10-12 games that summer (I grew up in M-Ville) and Ricky put on shows during BP. Unbelievable power, and a strong arm from the outfield.He lived with an older couple near the stadium and they claim he was the most polite young man they've ever met. They said he called them the night he won the Heisman, just to say hello.Great guy.
 
Id like to see what the numbers for WRs on those teams looked like before and after Barry and Smith. Just because the Phins may pass more doesnt mean the WRs will benefit. What was the completion percentage of Detroits and Minnesotas QBs before and after the retirements??Im bumping Chambers, McMichael and Boston DOWN in my rankings unless I see something that suggests their numbers will go up, which I cant see happening with Miamis QB situation.
I posted this in one of the 48 other Williams threads . . .
There have been only two recent circumstances where a Top 10 RB left his team high and dry: Barry Sanders and Robert Smith. Here's how things shaped up the following year in those instances.Top Starters' Numbers Last Season WITH SandersQB Batch: 173-303-2178 11 TD 6 INT (12 games)WR Morton 69-1028-2WR Moore 82-983-5WR Crowell 25-464-3TE Rasby 15-119-1Top Starters' Numbers First Season WITHOUT SandersQB Batch 151-270-1957 13 TD 7 INT (11 games)QB Frerotte 175-288-2117 9 TD 7 INT (9 games)RB Hill 144-542-2 WR Crowell 81-1338-7WR Morton 80-1129-5WR Moore 16-197-2 (Injured)TE Rasby 3-19-1The QB situation seems similar to that in Miami. The WR numbers actually were pretty similar, and I think Morton and Crowell got a big boost with Moore injured most of the year--moreso than having anything to do with Sanders leaving.Top Starters' Numbers Last Season WITH SmithQB Culpepper 297-474-3937 33 TD 16 INTWR Moss 77-1437-15WR Carter 96-1274-9TE Davis 17-202-1Top Starters' Numbers First Season WITHOUT SmithQB Culpepper 235-366-2612 14 TD 13 INT (11 games)QB Bouman 51-89-795 8 TD 4 INT (9 games)RB Bennett 172-682-2 WR Moss 82-1233-10 WR Carter 73-871-6TE Chamberlain 57-666-3IIRC, the Vikes had a much harder time moving the ball and then CPep got injured. They never got much going on the ground, and the beneficiary seemed to be Chamberlain.It's interesting that both these teams did not go out and add another RB.
thanks
 
Limecuda... I don't understand you. You are part of a family and a couple of days before you all get together and start that drive for the playoffs, your best player decides he's going to quit? That's okay with you? And then you feel that this is something that the team/management might have been holding back on? WHY? So two of the better players available, George and Ant Smith can sign elsewhere for less bucks? You are kidding me right? :wall: I have no evidence but I'm going with the thought that he wouldn't have passed a pre-training camp physical so that is why he's retiring. Having said that I do think that he will come back in a year or two so I'd consider getting him very late in a keeper league.As for what's next for Miami, yes being a Viking fan I'd love to see us get O-Gun but I also don't think the team wants him based on what they have on the DL. Yes he would be a big upgrade especially with Kenny Mixon going to be suspended for 4 games sometime soon and the uncertainty of Udeze being a rookie. I don't think that they want to get their salary structure all out of whack with O-Gun and then they have to deal with trying to re-sign Chris Hovan next year. I think Miami will go after someone who's buried on another team's roster, someone like Musa Smith on Baltimore or one of the RBBC Backs on Denver or Oakland or perhaps Toefield on Jacksonville. I think they go small fries for now and then they'll go for a Back or two via free agency and the draft in 2005 with the new coaching staff in place.

 
Limecuda... I don't understand you. You are part of a family and a couple of days before you all get together and start that drive for the playoffs, your best player decides he's going to quit?
Families don't cut members at a moment's notice. Even Montana was shipped off when it looked like his useful life was over.
 
New Orleans Saints: :D :D :D :D :D
Yeah. All of the national idiots that said that Miami "stole" Ricky Williams and all of that nonsense need to apologize to the Saints. In the Saints long and sorted history, there have been several deals which were horrible (including the one that got that dreadlocked nutjob in the first place), but to get two #1's and STILL be able to field a team with Deuce McAllister in the backfield has to go down as the greatest sequence of moves in franchise history.I'll never forget Williams running his mouth about how the Saints were "losers" and it was great to be with a real organization. Also, him saying that he was happy just as long as he rushed for more than McAllister. Well Ricky, what do you have to say now? Apparently you were the loser. McAllister is 10 times the back that you are. You are a no good, quitter. You quit on the Saints, you quit on the Dolphins, and you quit on yourself. Good Riddance...
 
New Orleans Saints: :D :D :D :D :D
Yeah. All of the national idiots that said that Miami "stole" Ricky Williams and all of that nonsense need to apologize to the Saints. In the Saints long and sorted history, there have been several deals which were horrible (including the one that got that dreadlocked nutjob in the first place), but to get two #1's and STILL be able to field a team with Deuce McAllister in the backfield has to go down as the greatest sequence of moves in franchise history.I'll never forget Williams running his mouth about how the Saints were "losers" and it was great to be with a real organization. Also, him saying that he was happy just as long as he rushed for more than McAllister. Well Ricky, what do you have to say now? Apparently you were the loser. McAllister is 10 times the back that you are. You are a no good, quitter. You quit on the Saints, you quit on the Dolphins, and you quit on yourself. Good Riddance...
Not hating, but aren't the Saints losers?Just when you think they're ready to make a playoff push, December comes along. I love Deuce, but Brooks and Horn are clowns.Bring back the :bag: . And this coming from a Charger fan.
 
I applaud an individual who recognises his ability to exercise his personal freedom and rights in a league where people are traded like commodities, cut when an organisation believes they have outlived their usefulness - regardless of their previous service record - and constantly break contracts and commitments. Fans readily boo and abuse players who perform below their lofty expectations. Teamates jump ship at the sniff of a dollar if their contracts allow. Ricky didn't ask the Dolphins to trade draft picks for him... he could have ended up in Arizona or Cincinnati without any recourse on his part. Whatever the timing, once the decision is made better to walk away than go through the motions half-assed.

 
I applaud an individual who recognises his ability to exercise his personal freedom and rights in a league where people are traded like commodities, cut when an organisation believes they have outlived their usefulness - regardless of their previous service record - and constantly break contracts and commitments. Fans readily boo and abuse players who perform below their lofty expectations. Teamates jump ship at the sniff of a dollar if their contracts allow. Ricky didn't ask the Dolphins to trade draft picks for him... he could have ended up in Arizona or Cincinnati without any recourse on his part. Whatever the timing, once the decision is made better to walk away than go through the motions half-assed.
I have no problem with his decision. It's the timing of it that would thoroughly pi$$ me off if I was a Fins fan. Why couldn't Ricky mention this to the Miami brass BEFORE the draft? Then they'd be in a better position to alleviate the potential problem before it occurs.
 

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