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ESPN reports Garrard to Start Sunday (1 Viewer)
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phillzphan
Footballguy
what do you guys think this does for Eagles defense owners? 
methinks its a good week to own em.
methinks its a good week to own em.
RoosterScott
Footballguy
The question is what does this do for the WRs values this week vs the Eagles? Who's going to be the top target for Garrad?
suchislife
Footballguy
How'd that work out last Sunday against Gradkowski?what do you guys think this does for Eagles defense owners?
RoosterScott
Footballguy
I'd fear Garrad more than Leftwich.
Defense kept Gradkowski to 140 yards and only allowed 9 points...How'd that work out last Sunday against Gradkowski?what do you guys think this does for Eagles defense owners?
suchislife
Footballguy
And no interceptions. Hey, I bleed green. But over the years backup QBs have had success against the Eagles.Defense kept Gradkowski to 140 yards and only allowed 9 points...How'd that work out last Sunday against Gradkowski?what do you guys think this does for Eagles defense owners?
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Any impact on the Jags RB rotation?
1) Freedy T sees more action because Del Rio needs to lean more on a veteran presence?
2) Jones-Drew sees more action because the offense clicks better with a Garrard/Jones-Drew combo?
Any perspectives on the Jags philosophy from those in the know?
I watch a decent amount of JAX game action on Sunday Ticket and personally think that game flow situation plays out better for Freddy if Garrard starts, but that's only a gut instinct.
1) Freedy T sees more action because Del Rio needs to lean more on a veteran presence?
2) Jones-Drew sees more action because the offense clicks better with a Garrard/Jones-Drew combo?
Any perspectives on the Jags philosophy from those in the know?
I watch a decent amount of JAX game action on Sunday Ticket and personally think that game flow situation plays out better for Freddy if Garrard starts, but that's only a gut instinct.
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
Why don't you drop Miami or Davis instead?
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Garrard is a much better passer than Leftowich.
Personally, I think the offense has performed much better overall also when Garrard is under center. There is a reason Leftowich doesn't want to come off the field.
Can anyone say "Wally Pip".
PS I would say this is bad for the Eagles D
Personally, I think the offense has performed much better overall also when Garrard is under center. There is a reason Leftowich doesn't want to come off the field.
Can anyone say "Wally Pip".
PS I would say this is bad for the Eagles D
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Well, I've gotta start him in one league. After looking @ his #s from the end of last season, he was decent.
He went 5-1 and averaged (around not exact) 15-30 for 220 or so. With 3 rush tds in 6 games. Only 4 pass TDs though.
PHI will score, so I'm guessing Del Rio will be forced to play catch up and let DG pass more than he'd like to. Guessing 18-32 for 200 and 1 passing w/ one rushing score and 2 ints.
He went 5-1 and averaged (around not exact) 15-30 for 220 or so. With 3 rush tds in 6 games. Only 4 pass TDs though.
PHI will score, so I'm guessing Del Rio will be forced to play catch up and let DG pass more than he'd like to. Guessing 18-32 for 200 and 1 passing w/ one rushing score and 2 ints.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Have you seen these two play for an extended period of time? I'm pretty sure that you haven't.Garrard is a much better passer than Leftowich.
Personally, I think the offense has performed much better overall also when Garrard is under center. There is a reason Leftowich doesn't want to come off the field.
Can anyone say "Wally Pip".
PS I would say this is bad for the Eagles D
Has the Vegas line changed at all since this change was announced? That is always a good indicator as to what the perception is as to whom is perceived to be the more effective starter.
My hunch would be that the line has held steady. I don't see much difference in the Jags with either guy in. Leftwich passes better, but Gerrard is more of a threat with his feet. It evens out.
My hunch would be that the line has held steady. I don't see much difference in the Jags with either guy in. Leftwich passes better, but Gerrard is more of a threat with his feet. It evens out.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
pre-season was only 8 weeks ago, so yes, I have seen him play recently.Have you seen these two play for an extended period of time? I'm pretty sure that you haven't.Garrard is a much better passer than Leftowich.
Personally, I think the offense has performed much better overall also when Garrard is under center. There is a reason Leftowich doesn't want to come off the field.
Can anyone say "Wally Pip".
PS I would say this is bad for the Eagles D
My opinion is he reads the field better than Leftowich. And that is acknowledging Leftowich's improvement in the passing game this year.We shall see in the end, but I feel Garrard tends to lead his recievers to open areas with a catchable ball, as opposed to Leftowich who tends to drill the ball into the receivers chest with fastballs.
This isn't a slam on Leftowich as much as a backing of Garrard.
IMO you will see the YAC go up for Jacksonville as a team, which is going to improve that offense.
I also expect to see the Jaguar D put on the field more, which could be good or bad for the defense.
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Vitruvian Man
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What happened to Taylor's numbers last year when Garrard was in?Well, I've gotta start him in one league. After looking @ his #s from the end of last season, he was decent.He went 5-1 and averaged (around not exact) 15-30 for 220 or so. With 3 rush tds in 6 games. Only 4 pass TDs though.
elcohiba
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Byron Leftwich (out, ankle) and Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio are currently not on speaking terms.
Leftwich was reportedly nowhere to be found at practice Friday. Del Rio isn't speaking to the media either. David Garrard will be Jacksonville's starting quarterback against Philadelphia in Week 8.
Source: Florida Times Union/ RotoWorld
Leftwich was reportedly nowhere to be found at practice Friday. Del Rio isn't speaking to the media either. David Garrard will be Jacksonville's starting quarterback against Philadelphia in Week 8.
Source: Florida Times Union/ RotoWorld
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Hmm. That sounds like a reaction reserved for more than a week off. How accurate are these guys?
falconeyed
Footballguy
From what I remember of Garrard's games last season, the Jags seemed to be a more balanced offense with Garrard in the game. Can anyone confirm / deny this? It seemed as if the run / pass split was more even, whereas the Jags seem to be much more run oriented with Leftwich in the game.
It could be system related rather than personnel related, though, as I think Leftwich is a very capable QB.
It could be system related rather than personnel related, though, as I think Leftwich is a very capable QB.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Jags 2005 scheduleNov 27th (AZ) onWhat happened to Taylor's numbers last year when Garrard was in?Well, I've gotta start him in one league. After looking @ his #s from the end of last season, he was decent.
He went 5-1 and averaged (around not exact) 15-30 for 220 or so. With 3 rush tds in 6 games. Only 4 pass TDs though.
PHI will score, so I'm guessing Del Rio will be forced to play catch up and let DG pass more than he'd like to. Guessing 18-32 for 200 and 1 passing w/ one rushing score and 2 ints.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Philly has the most overrated defense in football. 21 ppg, middle-of-the-pack against the run, middle-of-the-pack overall, horrible against the pass.
Going by the hype, you'd think they were top-10 across the board.
Going by the hype, you'd think they were top-10 across the board.
Does the 21 points per game that the "defense" gives up include the two Rhonde Barber interception returns and the DeMarcus Ware fumble return TD? If it does, that stat is horse####.I don't think there's a ton of hype about Philly's defense. No one is saying they are the Bears or Ravens. They have a decent defense, probably around tenth best in the league.Very good pass rush, decent against the run, and vulnerable to a good passing team at times.I don't recall anyone saying otherwise.
I'm not sure who's been overrating the Eagles exactly... I don't hear anyone touting them. Their defense has been their strongpoint the last few years so maybe people were expecting more from them. They have had to deal with their fair share of injuries, and should play better the following weeks with the return of Hood and Lito. Despite their lackluster pass and run D, they still have a great D-line (even without Kearse) and lead the league in sacks. I'm not saying the Eagles D is on par with the Bears or anything, just that they have a lot of talent and should play better as the year goes on.
what he said
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Garrard was a very nice option down the stretch last year. That might even be an understatement. From week 12 until week 16 he scored a little over 100 points in a standard scoring league. That kind of production for a full season would have made him the #1 QB last year.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I must have missed this. Who's the leader on defense that got benched?
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[scooter]
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Check the stats.The Jacket
Footballguy
Everyone's ranking includes that stuff.But take it out. 21 points make the Eagles' average look appreciably better, and when you do it for every other team in the league, the ranking will barely move.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Interesting concept.Discard the two things a defense does and still make a case for them.
Troutfarmer
Footballguy
Garrard was my pickup of the year last season. I had an above average team last year but rode him to my league title. He was exciting to watch. The guy can run. I picked him up this week as a backup hoping he will remain the starter.Hairy Snowman said:fruity pebbles said:
phillzphan
Footballguy
sadly, i think 2 points prove all of that wrong.#1. You are pointing to preseason. you aren't allowed to put "Hairy Snowman said:pre-season was only 8 weeks ago, so yes, I have seen him play recently.Mr. Brownstone said:Have you seen these two play for an extended period of time? I'm pretty sure that you haven't.Hairy Snowman said:Garrard is a much better passer than Leftowich.
Personally, I think the offense has performed much better overall also when Garrard is under center. There is a reason Leftowich doesn't want to come off the field.
Can anyone say "Wally Pip".
PS I would say this is bad for the Eagles D
We shall see in the end, but I feel Garrard tends to lead his recievers to open areas with a catchable ball, as opposed to Leftowich who tends to drill the ball into the receivers chest with fastballs.
This isn't a slam on Leftowich as much as a backing of Garrard.
IMO you will see the YAC go up for Jacksonville as a team, which is going to improve that offense.
I also expect to see the Jaguar D put on the field more, which could be good or bad for the defense.
" to points backed up by preseason. Or...are you going back to last year? Which game exactly are you pointing to?vs. TEN, ARI, CLE, IND, SF, HOU, TEN. Yes. Those were the games he played in last year. Those are just as useless indicators of performance as preseason.
#2. You are saying Garrard is considerably better than Leftwich. He has better reads and he makes better throws. You are saying that they will be a better offense. ......if these were all so true, why has he been backup circa 2003? Do you see these guys more and have better judgment than Coach Del Rio?
hmmm
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whhwalker
Footballguy
Jaguars message board
Deon Grant came into the locker room during half-time and tried to fire up the team. Unbeknownst to Grant, who came in to the locker room late, Del Rio said he wanted NO speeches and guys to focus on what they should be doing on their own. Grant spoke, Del Rio benched him.
I must have missed this Who's the leader on defense that got benched?
Deon Grant came into the locker room during half-time and tried to fire up the team. Unbeknownst to Grant, who came in to the locker room late, Del Rio said he wanted NO speeches and guys to focus on what they should be doing on their own. Grant spoke, Del Rio benched him.
LongDrivethenFoozle
Footballguy
David Garrard is for real! I have a hard time with fans only using stat comparisons and popularity to reach judgement. I am sure that alot of fans weren't able to see many of Garrards games last season, or his action in the previous couple years, but he can flat out play! He runs like a power tailback, and has great poise in the passing game which makes him much more than a running QB. Leftwich is the more marketable guy.....and his "name" has carried him through some poor efforts. He does have a stronger arm then Garrard, but Garrard is more mobile and creative on passing downs. You would be wise to get on him now....he will get the Jags back on track, and will remain the starter! 
The Jacket said:Interesting concept.Discard the two things a defense does and still make a case for them.scratcher said:
I think my statement made sense... They haven't performed great so far but they have a ton of potential and i expect them to show it in the weeks to come. For the most part, this is the same personnel as the dominant defense of the past.
Troutfarmer
Footballguy
Yep, I agree. He is an exciting player and one to watch.David Garrard is for real! I have a hard time with fans only using stat comparisons and popularity to reach judgement. I am sure that alot of fans weren't able to see many of Garrards games last season, or his action in the previous couple years, but he can flat out play! He runs like a power tailback, and has great poise in the passing game which makes him much more than a running QB. Leftwich is the more marketable guy.....and his "name" has carried him through some poor efforts. He does have a stronger arm then Garrard, but Garrard is more mobile and creative on passing downs. You would be wise to get on him now....he will get the Jags back on track, and will remain the starter!
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
A quick word of advice: The Jaguars.com message board is the last place you want to go for rational thought. It is plain awful.fatness said:
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
#1 I have seen every regular season snap Garrard has been involved in and most of the preseason snaps. I am basing my opinion on all of the last few years - he also was pretty good in college.#2 Yes, I am saying he is a better passing QB than Leftowich. Do I have better judgment than Jack Del Rio?sadly, i think 2 points prove all of that wrong.#1. You are pointing to preseason. you aren't allowed to put "Hairy Snowman said:pre-season was only 8 weeks ago, so yes, I have seen him play recently.Mr. Brownstone said:Have you seen these two play for an extended period of time? I'm pretty sure that you haven't.Hairy Snowman said:Garrard is a much better passer than Leftowich.
Personally, I think the offense has performed much better overall also when Garrard is under center. There is a reason Leftowich doesn't want to come off the field.
Can anyone say "Wally Pip".
PS I would say this is bad for the Eagles D
We shall see in the end, but I feel Garrard tends to lead his recievers to open areas with a catchable ball, as opposed to Leftowich who tends to drill the ball into the receivers chest with fastballs.
This isn't a slam on Leftowich as much as a backing of Garrard.
IMO you will see the YAC go up for Jacksonville as a team, which is going to improve that offense.
I also expect to see the Jaguar D put on the field more, which could be good or bad for the defense.
vs. TEN, ARI, CLE, IND, SF, HOU, TEN. Yes. Those were the games he played in last year. Those are just as useless indicators of performance as preseason.
#2. You are saying Garrard is considerably better than Leftwich. He has better reads and he makes better throws. You are saying that they will be a better offense. ......if these were all so true, why has he been backup circa 2003? Do you see these guys more and have better judgment than Coach Del Rio?
hmmm
Maybe in some things. I like to think I have a better eye for offensive talent. 
Seriously, IMO Leftowich is still holding the ball too long and his long delivery motion continues to allow defenders to anticipate his passes (which IMO is why he tends to drill the receivers with fastballs).
But, as I have said so many times before in these forums, hear me now - believe me later. Garrard will be a more productive passer than Leftowich.
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fatness
Footballguy
It pretty much seemed that way to me, yeah. I just thought the bit about what del Rio said on Sirius might be important. If in fact he said it.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I'm not knocking you, just that board.
Al Czervik
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Big Score
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Yes I do.Big Score said:
