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Thoughts?
He "hates" him second overall. As does Dodds, who runs this site.
Thats a different article.It changes quite a bit. Gore gets added value with a pass happy OC.
No Romo?
Oh Romo too and quite a few others. I would also take Jamal Lewis before Gore in a redraft. Not a fan of the 9ers or their offense this year. I want no part of Frank Gore.
"Hate" is relative; he ranked him 4th.At the moment I still think I'd take Gore furst round - but late first. SF is hard to get excited about when they still have no idea who their QB will be.
The bolded part is where he lost me. He never had Frank Gore over the last five years. He had an injured Marshall Faulk at the end of his career, he had S-Jax at the beginning of his career, and he had mediocre RBs along with a terrible offensive line in Detroit..
Yes, and I would take Brady in the 3rd as well
And now he is on a team that has 0 QB, a below average O line, and a questionable set of WRs. Good luck Frank
Plus Nolan is a very different HC and his philosophy I think is not going to get run over by Martz's. He wants to involve the RBs. The Oline is better.
There is a lot of improvement on the o-line. They are one I think will outperform their ranking. I would at least say they are average.
ADP faces a brutally tough schedule this season, Tavaris Jackson won't be marginally better than he was last year, if at all, ADP will face more 8-man fronts, and in the final 6 weeks of 2007 he averaged just 50 yards/gm,and 3.8 per carry..
I know people don't like to hear 'take out his two best games and he's average at best' but its true..in just two games, he rushed for 520 yards, thats more than 1/3rd of his total rushing output.. ...
Exactly, every time I see someone say they're down on Gore this year I ask them what is it about the 49ers offense this year that could possibly be worse than last year where Gore still put up good numbers? I never get an answer.This is the same Gore who came out last year and said he had zero confidence in the playcalling. He still ended up 8th. Last year was Gore's floor.
ADP faces a brutally tough schedule this season, Tavaris Jackson won't be marginally better than he was last year, if at all, ADP will face more 8-man fronts, and in the final 6 weeks of 2007 he averaged just 50 yards/gm,and 3.8 per carry..I know people don't like to hear 'take out his two best games and he's average at best' but its true..in just two games, he rushed for 520 yards, thats more than 1/3rd of his total rushing output..
if ever there was a 'bloated stat line' it is ADP's stat line from 2007...
ad for Gore, props to Berry
I like prognosticators like him, guys that don't take the cookie-cutter approach to rankings...seemingly every magazinehas the exact same top 10 RB list...
I agree, which is one of the reasons I like Berry.
By average you mean in the 18-14 range?? I would not put them there this year. Maybe next year but not this year.
I'll really have to look over his stuff again, because ESPN always seems real basic/middle of the road/well no kidding in their rankings.I'll have to look again, but also keep in mind, different just to be different isn't always valuable.edited to add:These are his RB rankings. Nothing earth shattering here, save maybe where Gore/Grant end up and ADP at 4. Of course, in fairness, there is so much confusion in the latter half of the top 10 rbs this year, in part because of the injuries last year that it's anyone's guess who will go where or end up where. It would be hard to come up with a completely unusual top ten this year unless you just want to be wierd for weirdness sake.1 LaDainian Tomlinson 2 Brian Westbrook 3 Joseph Addai 4 Adrian Peterson 5 Steven Jackson 6 Clinton Portis 7 Marshawn Lynch 8 Marion Barber 9 Ryan Grant 10 Frank GoreI like prognosticators like him, guys that don't take the cookie-cutter approach to rankings...seemingly every magazine has the exact same top 10 RB list...
Yea, his use of the last 5 years stats is laughable. If he wants to be down on Gore for valid reasons, that's fine, but using that stat line is ridiculous. Why didn't he go back 7 years? Oh, yea, Faulk's combined rushing/receiving/TD stats in 2001 were ridiculous.We all know he didn't have much to work with in Detroit and when he did have some success with Kevin Jones, Jones would get hurt. So, it's hard to have a successful lead back when you don't have a successful lead back.
I think he views bold predictions as part of his job to promote/grow ESPN's fantasy business. Some of his being "different" is more in the use of extreme accompanying language, i.e. "hating" Adrian Peterson, rather than the pick itself.He's a writer by background. (incl. one of the Crocodile Diudees )I'll really have to look over his stuff again, because ESPN always seems real basic/middle of the road/well no kidding in their rankings.I'll have to look again, but also keep in mind, different just to be different isn't always valuable.I like prognosticators like him, guys that don't take the cookie-cutter approach to rankings...seemingly every magazine has the exact same top 10 RB list...
Who do you like number 2 then? Just wondering...I can't see Westbrook staying healthy this year.ADP faces a brutally tough schedule this season, Tavaris Jackson won't be marginally better than he was last year, if at all, ADP will face more 8-man fronts, and in the final 6 weeks of 2007 he averaged just 50 yards/gm,and 3.8 per carry..I know people don't like to hear 'take out his two best games and he's average at best' but its true..in just two games, he rushed for 520 yards, thats more than 1/3rd of his total rushing output..
if ever there was a 'bloated stat line' it is ADP's stat line from 2007...
as for Gore, props to Berry
I like prognosticators like him, guys that don't take the cookie-cutter approach to rankings...seemingly every magazine has the exact same top 10 RB list...
Couple things. What about ADP's schedule this year is so brutal? Is it Detroit in weeks 6 and 14, or Arizona in week 15, or maybe New Orleans in week 5. Maybe Chicago, who he ran over for more than 300 yards in their two games last year. His schedule doesn't look particularly hard to run against. Also, while it's probably expecting much to see Jackson improve significantly this year, he did get better in the second half of the year, so he could do a better job of keeping defenses honest. You really think Peterson is going to see more 8 man fronts than he saw last year? Hard to imagine.ADP faces a brutally tough schedule this season, Tavaris Jackson won't be marginally better than he was last year, if at all, ADP will face more 8-man fronts, and in the final 6 weeks of 2007 he averaged just 50 yards/gm,and 3.8 per carry..
if ever there was a 'bloated stat line' it is ADP's stat line from 2007...
as for Gore, props to Berry
I like prognosticators like him, guys that don't take the cookie-cutter approach to rankings...seemingly every magazine has the exact same top 10 RB list...
Dodds hates ADP? You mean to the tune of 1668 total yards and 15 TD's, right? Yeah, OK, he's a hater.
How is any of that different than what SF had last year when Gore was the #8 RB? If anything, they are slightly better this year than last.
Martz did have Kevin Jones in 06, and he was on pace for 1,600 to 1,800 total yards, 12-14 TD's, and 80 catches before getting injured. I would also argue that the offensive talent surrounding Jones in Detroit is similar to who is surrounding Gore in SF. I don't think I have to argue that Gore is more talented than Jones. You do the math.
I agree, I really don't understand the Gore bashing. I can see if you don't want to rank him top 3, but to suggest you won't touch him in the first round just seems short-sighted. He finished last year number 8, despite being nicked up and on one of the worst offenses imaginable. He gets what many consider one of the best offensive minds coming over. They brought in Bruce and Johnson to add to their younger WR corps. What did they lose, Darrell Jackson? Big whoop. Vernon Davis is a year more seasoned. Don't know much about their offensive line, but some have said it's at least improved.Despite their QB struggles, it's near impossible to think Martz won't have some positive affect. So, if Gore only moves from 8th to 7th place, is that such a terrible pick toward the middle/end of round 1? Fine, spread the word and leave him for me at the turn.
In Rushing Yards Per Game last year AZ was #9 and NO #13. Chicago was #24.Couple things. What about ADP's schedule this year is so brutal? Is it Detroit in weeks 6 and 14, or Arizona in week 15, or maybe New Orleans in week 5. Maybe Chicago, who he ran over for more than 300 yards in their two games last year. His schedule doesn't look particularly hard to run against. Also, while it's probably expecting much to see Jackson improve significantly this year, he did get better in the second half of the year, so he could do a better job of keeping defenses honest. You really think Peterson is going to see more 8 man fronts than he saw last year? Hard to imagine.ADP faces a brutally tough schedule this season, Tavaris Jackson won't be marginally better than he was last year, if at all, ADP will face more 8-man fronts, and in the final 6 weeks of 2007 he averaged just 50 yards/gm,and 3.8 per carry..
if ever there was a 'bloated stat line' it is ADP's stat line from 2007...
as for Gore, props to Berry...
I like prognosticators like him, guys that don't take the cookie-cutter approach to rankings...seemingly every magazine has the exact same top 10 RB list...
And despite taking out his two best games (ridiculous in itself) he still had another 4 games over 100 yards rushing, and another game over 100 yards combined. His knee seemed to bother his stats and opportunities late in the year, so if you want to predict further injury that may be reasonable.
I realize Taylor is still there to take away touches, but Peterson's touches can only go up from last year, barring injury.
The bolded is an argument you'd lose badly. QB:
What makes you so sure about this? I find it hard to believe that Martz is going to be as pass happy with this offense as he previously.
Martz has always been pass happy. I'm more inclined to believe that he will continue to be so than to believe that coming to SF will make him change - epsecially when that's his strength.He's good at spotting QB & WR talent, especially among lesser QB & WR's that can make a difference. He's shown no such ability with RB's.
So 1500/6 is his floor? Despite the fact that I am skeptical on Gore this year, I might just buy that. However I think 1600/8 might be his ceiling. You just cannot compare anything that happened in STL to SF. Those teams had stellar Olines, Holt, Bruce, Hakim, Warner and yes, Faulk.Detroit? Closer, but still Kitna at least is a mediocre NFL QB. Kevin Jones was and may be still a talented RB. His problems are solely injury related. There is a talent difference between KJ and Gore, but its not as great as many would believe. At WR the Lions were putting out Roy and Calvin. No comparison to what is in SF.The 49ers? JT O'Sullivan is on his 7th NFL team. Also the entire offense, outside of Issac Bruce and O'Sullivan are learning a brand new highly complex system. The offensive line is a total mess right now. Martz system typically gives up a lot of sacks. They could break the record this year in SF. Is Gore going to be the focal point? You would think so. However, Martz has history of ignoring the running game. He did it at times with Faulk in STL, don't think it won't happen to Gore in SF. I don't think anyone is saying Gore will be terrible this year. I just think that the 49ers are going to struggle to score this year. It could be very ugly. Why would you want to deal with all of that with your 1st pick? You could take Moss, Brady, Manning, Addai, etc from one of the best offenses in the league.
and this means what?but seriously, I do not even look at Berry' ranks. They are off the wall and seem very flaky. Ya, he hits sometimes but even a squirrel finds a nut sometimes. I think he had Manning at approx 30th overall. That's got to tell you something.
maybe so, but you still cant argue with the numbers. Gore doesnt get hurt and he has been a top 10 RB for two years in a row. Surely, Martz can't hurt.
Calvin Johnson didn't play with Detroit in 2006. The Lion's WRs in 06 as a unit are fairly equal to what the 49ers are going to put on the field. What makes you think SF will be throwing more this season than Detroit did in 06? Detroit's defense was atrocious that season. They were playing catchup all year. I can see SF's D being average to good and at least keeping the 49ers in games allowing the offense to run the ball if they wish. If Martz decides to go crazy and throw the ball ALL the time we might see Frank Gore approaching the 80 catches Jones was on pace for in 06.
this comparison means nothing. comparing individual players from one team to another to correlate a vlue of a running back based on a new OC is very silly.
"Adrian Peterson, Min - I have a bad feeling about AP this year. I don't question his talent at all, but a lot of things broke right for him last year. He still will split carries with Chester Taylor and will likely face 8+ in the box every time he is in the game. My gut tells he disappoints everyone drafting him early."Listen. And learn.
Well I disagree. He'd have to be a moron to be pass happy in this offense. In Detroit he had #### for RB, and decent WRs, and a porous defense. Hence, they passed a lot. In SF he has the complete opposite. He doesnt need to spot RB talent. Gore's already there.
everyone is getting caught up with Martz. Nolan is the head coach and he wants to run the game through Gore. He has made this point clear to the team, the fans, the media and most importantly Martz. What is the problem here? Martz, while he may like to throw the ball, is not an idiot! He understands that he has a very special RB with Frank Gore. He is arguably the best running back in football based on pure talent. Gore will get the rock a lot. Thre is no reason he shouldnt be drafted in the first round. None. Zippo.
won't touch him in my TD heavy league
