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Don't worry, you've landed University of Arizona product Bobby Wade.Pac10 = Conference of ChampionsThe Vikings didn't need him.
He wanted to stay in the Dirty, Dirty. :crunk:screw you, Joe! i can support the guy signing with pretty much any other team in the league, except the falcons.
Talk to the brass in NO. Not Joe's fault. I never liked the guy, thought he was an arrogant fool. But in the Katrina season I found a healthy respect for him as he became a leader and source of inspiration not for the team but for the recovery effort. I think it humbled him and made him a good human being. i actually felt sorry that he wasn't able to play in th e NFC championship.screw you, Joe! i can support the guy signing with pretty much any other team in the league, except the falcons.
Horn didn't look like he had much left in his tank last season. Won't this hurt the development of the young wideouts in Atlanta?
Right, but he doesn't seem like he is healthy anymore. Horn has had a very up and down career for FF owners in NO. Long stretches where he posts very average numbers but at the end of the season he has 1,000 yards and 6-8TD, which is good but he is not a WR1...WR2...maybe a WR3 at this point of his career. The bigger picture to me is who is throwing him the ball. THe numbers you showed for last season...Colston, Henderson, even Copper all did great with Brees throwing them the ball. What happens with Vick under center? Horn still will be in the NFC South, as well as the SOUTH so maybe he likes it down there but Vick is not going to make him a better WR IMO.Horn didn't look like he had much left in his tank last season. Won't this hurt the development of the young wideouts in Atlanta?Horn averaged 18.4 yards per catch last year, and had 37/679/4 in essentially 9 games.
Really??I just don't get how, year in year out, people praise the signings of aging veterans who are clearly past their prime. Joe Horn is a NAME, but he's also a guy who's two years removed from an excellent season. To point toward last year's production as a positive ignores one of THE most important factors in football: health.
I always go back to something Eric Dickerson said...it's not that you lose your innate ability to play the game as you age, it's that physically you are unable to biologically recover from everyday aches and pains, much less injuries. In Horn's case, at 35 years old, to think he's going to be able to bounce back to 100% health and effectiveness makes little sense, nor is there much (any?) historical proxy for it.
The Falcons are a MESS. You can't convince me the Falcons are bereft of WR talent, and if they are, it's an admonition on the very same personnel department that felt compelled to sign Horn today.
joe got a comparatively late start in the nfl. he did special teams in KC and only became a starting WR when he came to NOLA. he has some tread left on the tires, i think. it doesn't suprise me that his body is acting its age but he can still be effective.I just don't get how, year in year out, people praise the signings of aging veterans who are clearly past their prime. Joe Horn is a NAME, but he's also a guy who's two years removed from an excellent season. To point toward last year's production as a positive ignores one of THE most important factors in football: health.
I always go back to something Eric Dickerson said...it's not that you lose your innate ability to play the game as you age, it's that physically you are unable to biologically recover from everyday aches and pains, much less injuries. In Horn's case, at 35 years old, to think he's going to be able to bounce back to 100% health and effectiveness makes little sense, nor is there much (any?) historical proxy for it.
The Falcons are a MESS. You can't convince me the Falcons are bereft of WR talent, and if they are, it's an admonition on the very same personnel department that felt compelled to sign Horn today.
I think he's a good NFL signing for a team like ATL. I think he's apt to become a possession WR now and not much more should be expected from him. He's always had a great work ethic since getting to NO and been a great leader. That is what ATL could use. I think a signing, like him, has to be put in the right perspective. If a team or person is looking to get the player that they were...not good.I just don't get how, year in year out, people praise the signings of aging veterans who are clearly past their prime. Joe Horn is a NAME, but he's also a guy who's two years removed from an excellent season. To point toward last year's production as a positive ignores one of THE most important factors in football: health. I always go back to something Eric Dickerson said...it's not that you lose your innate ability to play the game as you age, it's that physically you are unable to biologically recover from everyday aches and pains, much less injuries. In Horn's case, at 35 years old, to think he's going to be able to bounce back to 100% health and effectiveness makes little sense, nor is there much (any?) historical proxy for it.The Falcons are a MESS. You can't convince me the Falcons are bereft of WR talent, and if they are, it's an admonition on the very same personnel department that felt compelled to sign Horn today.
In your opinion:Bizkiteer said:...
He's always had a great work ethic since getting to NO and been a great leader.
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http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/...&thispage=2... Despite his popularity, Horn's antics and outspokenness exasperated coaches and management.
Among some members of the staff, he was considered a "high maintenance" player who needed constant supervision behind the scenes. He drew their ire for his tendency to "play up" nagging injuries and for a penchant for mental errors.
In 2003, Horn annoyed coaches after he publicly complained about his secondary role in the offense during a loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, referring to himself as a "just in case" wide receiver. A few weeks later he blasted the staff and front office for firing popular wide receivers coach Hubbard Alexander. In 2005, he created a stir by threatening to skip the club's offseason conditioning program until a contract extension was signed.
"Joe can drive you crazy sometimes, but he's a warrior," former Saints coach Jim Haslett said in 2004. "He plays with his heart on his sleeve. There's no questioning his heart." Others were less kind. After the 2005 season, former Pro Bowl center LeCharles Bentley criticized Horn in a well-publicized feud that served as an ugly post-mortem to the Saints' dismal 3-13 campaign.
"I believe it's the people that everyone thinks are the team leaders that are the true cancers of this organization," Bentley said. "Some of these people, who are always running their mouths in front of the cameras and have some asinine quote, really need to shut up and play football and do their jobs so everybody else can do their jobs effectively. People get bamboozled into thinking that these guys are the leaders of this team, and they're not." ...
I think he was a starter in KC in 1999 (his last year). He had 35 recs with around 600 yds and 6 td's. 35 recs is pretty much WR#1 #'s in the Chiefs offense.saintfool said:joe got a comparatively late start in the nfl. he did special teams in KC and only became a starting WR when he came to NOLA. he has some tread left on the tires, i think. it doesn't suprise me that his body is acting its age but he can still be effective.I just don't get how, year in year out, people praise the signings of aging veterans who are clearly past their prime. Joe Horn is a NAME, but he's also a guy who's two years removed from an excellent season. To point toward last year's production as a positive ignores one of THE most important factors in football: health.
I always go back to something Eric Dickerson said...it's not that you lose your innate ability to play the game as you age, it's that physically you are unable to biologically recover from everyday aches and pains, much less injuries. In Horn's case, at 35 years old, to think he's going to be able to bounce back to 100% health and effectiveness makes little sense, nor is there much (any?) historical proxy for it.
The Falcons are a MESS. You can't convince me the Falcons are bereft of WR talent, and if they are, it's an admonition on the very same personnel department that felt compelled to sign Horn today.
Maybe he's no longer a superstar but at least he could still catch the ball. I think he can can put up decent numbers there and can be a useful lower end FF WR2 or higher WR3.Shlon said:He's 35, injury prone, won't be double teamed, and way past his prime. He's a good leader & it's a good signing but imo Atlanta didn't get a superstar WR it needs.
Well we certainly cannot blame Ron Mexico for MV's inconsistent play can we? LOL!!!lod2005 said:1st to blame Joe Horn for Michael Vick's continued sucktitude.Apparently Joe Horn just has lost a step or 2 is what will be said.