Fallout From Oakland's 2006 Season (1 Viewer)

[Garrett]

I will try to document any signs of change in Oakland during the upcoming offseason (primarily for my own therapeutic reasons). At this point, I figure any sort of change is a good thing.

Fallout From Oakland's 2006 Season

Art Shell

Tom Walsh

John Shoop

Mike Lombardi?

Randy Moss?

Jerry Porter?

Aaron Brooks?

Lamont Jordan?

Barry Sims?

Langston Walker?

Warren Sapp?

New Personnel

???

More to come...

 

[zamboni]

And the bed & breakfast community rejoices!

 

[red]

i just dropped the hansen guest ranch B&B (Walsh's B&B. if walsh is coming back i don't see how he can lead this ranch after such a dismal performance with such sleepers as moss, jordan and brooks.

 

[kaso]

Please let this be true.

 

[Banger]

That's pretty surprising considering I really can't remember a worse offense in the past 10 years.

 

[kaso]

Who would take over the play calling?

Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me.

Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Who would take over the play calling?

Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me.

Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

Al Davis...he would just expand his 1-5 plays called a game to calling all of them.

 

[Garrett]

Who would take over the play calling? Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me. Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

 

[kaso]

Who would take over the play calling?

Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me.

Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

I looked up Shoop. Sounds like a decent upgrade over Walsh. Of course that doesn't mean much.Quoted from the link:

John Shoop enters his second season with the Raiders, the first in his present capacity. Shoop possesses a decade of NFL coaching experience, including three years as a pro offensive coordinator. The 36-year-old Shoop spent the 2004 season as quarterbacks coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after serving as offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears from 2001-03.

Shoop Profile

 

[Harry Beanbag]

Who would take over the play calling? Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me. Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

Don't cha think that says something about him as a coordinator? Good coordinators do not get demoted to the TE's coach on a god awful team. Good coordinators get NFL head coaching positions. See Sean Payton for an example.

 

[gdg76]

Any Bears fan will tell you that Walsh to Shoop is at best a lateral move (well as close to a lateral move as you can get with Walsh). Shoop was pretty much run out of Chicago and for good reason- he shouldn't be a long term solution as an offensive coordinator in today's NFL..

 

[Garrett]

Don't cha think that says something about him as a coordinator? Good coordinators do not get demoted to the TE's coach on a god awful team. Good coordinators get NFL head coaching positions. See Sean Payton for an example.

Any Bears fan will tell you that Walsh to Shoop is at best a lateral move (well as close to a lateral move as you can get with Walsh). Shoop was pretty much run out of Chicago and for good reason- he shouldn't be a long term solution as an offensive coordinator in today's NFL..

Have you seen Tom Walsh's Playbook? It is written on the back of a B&B menu.I agree Shoop doesn't seem to be a long term answer, but, if anything, they are getting a head start at finding the next OC.

 

[RBM]

Who would take over the play calling? Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me. Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

 

[msommer]

Dink, dunk, dink, punt

Sounds lateral to me...

 

[Bruno2]

Can Shoop block?

 

[jim k]

As a Chicago Bear fan, I remember Shoop being a possession type of offensive coordinator.

A lot of lateral passes to wrs in one step drop patterns.

A lot of screen passes to rb.

Not much razzle dazzle or trick plays.

Dink and dunk is a great way to put it.

Ironically, the tight end was not featured much at all.

I would think that having a possession receiver is a must in his O philosophy.

Someone who can make catches over the middle, ala Marty Booker. Not sure who the Raider have that fits that bill.

Shoop did seem like he was sharp about tendencies and stats and percentages, so I would think that will mean more intelligent play calling.

I would think the play calling upgrade moderately bumps Brooks and Fargas' value, along with Moss.

 

[ExtraPoint]

I cant see a whole new system going in (this year) but new plays and better playcalling is in order.

I'm wondering if Shell, Davis, or outside pressure is responsible for this decision. It was Shell who brought Walsh in. I'm wondering what he really thinks of this.

 

[Ozymandias]

As a Chicago Bear fan, I remember Shoop being a possession type of offensive coordinator.A lot of lateral passes to wrs in one step drop patterns.A lot of screen passes to rb. Not much razzle dazzle or trick plays.Dink and dunk is a great way to put it.Ironically, the tight end was not featured much at all. I would think that having a possession receiver is a must in his O philosophy.Someone who can make catches over the middle, ala Marty Booker. Not sure who the Raider have that fits that bill.Shoop did seem like he was sharp about tendencies and stats and percentages, so I would think that will mean more intelligent play calling. I would think the play calling upgrade moderately bumps Brooks and Fargas' value, along with Moss.

Randy Moss can make catches over the middle...That is, when he's not paring his nails, or had his attention wander, or is sulking, or having a temper tantrum..

 

[Debeucci]

Did someone say Shoop?

As a Bears homer, all I can say is

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry.....that was mean of me....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In two games, you'll be begging...BEGGING for Walsh to come back.

 

[RBM]

One thing I can assure Raider fans if Shoop is in. You will not convert a 3rd down longer than 3 yards again

 

[bostonfred]

Hopefully for Raiders fans Shoop has the word interim in his job title.

 

[kaso]

I am going to be brutally honest. I don't know Shoop from the next guy. However, all the comments made in this thread do not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

 

[One]

As a lifelong Raiders fan, this is music to my ears.

 

[Shermanator]

Correct me if Im wrong... But wasnt Shoop the OC when the Bears were putting up monster offensive numbers a few years ago that made Marcus Robinson a stud in the making? With ALOT of downfield passing plays.

I vaguely remember him being there. Perhaps I am wrong.

 

[gdg76]

Correct me if Im wrong... But wasnt Shoop the OC when the Bears were putting up monster offensive numbers a few years ago that made Marcus Robinson a stud in the making? With ALOT of downfield passing plays. I vaguely remember him being there. Perhaps I am wrong.

A wide receiver having a great year with Shoop as an OC? About the only upgrade would be for PPR leagues- if Lamont was still around he would be a slight upgrade for PPR. I think about half of the plays Shoop called were screens and you can prob count on one hand the times he aired it up over 30 yds.edit- I remember Booker did have a good year once- but it was all YAC and despite Shoop IMO

 

[dooziexx]

Just read this on fflivewire, but cant give you a link.

 

[diesel7982]

Who would take over the play calling?

Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me.

Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

I looked up Shoop. Sounds like a decent upgrade over Walsh. Of course that doesn't mean much.Quoted from the link:

John Shoop enters his second season with the Raiders, the first in his present capacity. Shoop possesses a decade of NFL coaching experience, including three years as a pro offensive coordinator. The 36-year-old Shoop spent the 2004 season as quarterbacks coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after serving as offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears from 2001-03.

Shoop Profile

Youve either got to be real young, or didnt pay attention to the Bears in the early 00s. Walsh is possibly the only coach in the NFL who would be a worse OC than Shoop. Shoop makes Les Steckel look like Mike Martz.

 

[diesel7982]

Correct me if Im wrong... But wasnt Shoop the OC when the Bears were putting up monster offensive numbers a few years ago that made Marcus Robinson a stud in the making? With ALOT of downfield passing plays. I vaguely remember him being there. Perhaps I am wrong.

Youre thinking of Gary Crowton, not John Shoop.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I`m just happy Walsh is going to be gone....that means he WONT be back next year(one of my biggest fears)....at least it will be a fresh start , in what direction only Al and God know.

 

[tick dog]

One thing I can assure Raider fans if Shoop is in. You will not convert a 3rd down longer than 3 yards again

That's an upgrade. The Raiders limit this year had been about 1.7 yards. 3 yards is going positively vertical.

 

[Redwes25]

Correct me if Im wrong... But wasnt Shoop the OC when the Bears were putting up monster offensive numbers a few years ago that made Marcus Robinson a stud in the making? With ALOT of downfield passing plays. I vaguely remember him being there. Perhaps I am wrong.

Nope - Marcus Robinson's huge year was in '99. That was before Shoop was the OC.

 

[ghosttothepost]

It's official.....

LINK

 

[TitusIII]

Shoop deserves a second chance, his offensive talent in Chicago was, well, terrible. This is coming from a fan of the Bears. Aaron Brooks is a huge uprgrade over the "great" Jim Miller/Shane Matthews/Cade McNown...

 

[flapgreen]

Who would take over the play calling? Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me. Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

 

[flranger]

Dink and Dunk?

In bigger leagues, better go grab Ronald Curry guys.

 

[redman]

Who would take over the play calling?

Brooks, Walter, Jordan, Moss or Shell? No real difference if you ask me.

Maybe they can get the opposing defence to call in the offensive play, from what I can tell that's been happening all year anyway.

They are reporting it would be former Bears OC, John Shoop. He is currently the TE coach in Oakland.

I looked up Shoop. Sounds like a decent upgrade over Walsh. Of course that doesn't mean much.Quoted from the link:

John Shoop enters his second season with the Raiders, the first in his present capacity. Shoop possesses a decade of NFL coaching experience, including three years as a pro offensive coordinator. The 36-year-old Shoop spent the 2004 season as quarterbacks coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after serving as offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears from 2001-03.

Shoop Profile

Youve either got to be real young, or didnt pay attention to the Bears in the early 00s. Walsh is possibly the only coach in the NFL who would be a worse OC than Shoop. Shoop makes Les Steckel look like Mike Martz.

Well, at least they're heading in the right direction!

 

[coolnerd]

As a Texans's fan I hope that Raiders don't think that Shoop is a good OC based on the probability that Oakland looks like a legitimate NFL offense against Houston this weekend.

 

[Cixelsyd]

Walsh has been out for years... he's like that guy in Office Space that hasn't got paid but still shows up for work... Haven't you seen Walsh walking around the sidelines with his stapler.

They should cut ties with Shell too... He's embarassing the Raiders organization and himself....

 

[Avery]

Walsh has been out for years... he's like that guy in Office Space that hasn't got paid but still shows up for work... Haven't you seen Walsh walking around the sidelines with his stapler.They should cut ties with Shell too... He's embarassing the Raiders organization and himself....

The embarrassment starts with Al Davis and trickles down from there.Sadly for the Raiders faithful, "embarrassing" is their current "corporate culture".

 

[trader jake]

....at least it will be a fresh start , in what direction only Al and God know.

You get the feeling those two are not talking much right now.

 

[Marvelous]

I think the influence of Shoop could be very limited. He knows he has not been considered for an OC job for years. And with the Raiders, coaches probably have a little say as any place in the NFL.

My take, based on no real info: the top quality of a Raider coach is to take orders from above. Shoop will have to work with the playbook he is given. He can call the plays differently, but it will have to be the way Shell/Davis wants them called. His biggest impact may be just the removal of an ineffective Walsh. If players will play harder for Shoop, the Raiders could do a bit better.

Also, the Raiders appear to have a pretty good defense. So with a marginal offense, they could win some games.

 

[Billy1x]

IF you have Moss - tell your opponent that he and Shoop are drinking buddies and Moss was seen dancing in the locker room after the announcement was made.

That ought to scare the #%@% out of him.

 

[Tenacious D]

Here you go Raiders fans, you'll want to fire THIS back up soon.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

John Shoop + Randy Moss + Jerry Porter + Aaron Brooks = Recipe for Disaster

Shoop said a good punt could be better than a long pass or long run when he was in Chicago. Field position was more important than scoring.

Nice upgrade.

 

[flapgreen]

Here you go Raiders fans, you'll want to fire THIS back up soon.

I don't even like to think about those days.

 

[fatness]

Here you go Raiders fans, you'll want to fire THIS back up soon.

That's hilarious; first time I've seen it.

There is much evidence to support the firing of John Shoop. Consider this: Football teams in today's NFL typically script their first 15 plays. The Bears are no exception. Shoop says, “I script the entire thing. I have the first fifteen plays written down to feel out the defense and we’ll do some different personnel groupings. From those fifteen plays, you can find the path that the other team is figuring out. We do a good job of sticking to our game plan.” I'm having a hard time figuring out the path that Shoop is finding out that the other team is figuring out, but we at FireJohnShoop.com have found what appears to be a good first 15 plays.

1. Anthony Thomas up the middle.

2. Lateral to Dez White and hope he doesn't fumble.

3. Wide receiver screen, typically good for half the yards needed for a first down.

4. Punt. Pause here to figure out what the other team is figuring out.

5. Anthony Thomas up the middle.

6. False start.

7. Play action, check down to Anthony Thomas in the back field.

8. Fake a draw. Run a Kordell keeper behind the decoy.

9. Wide receiver screen again, it has to work this time.

10. Punt. Hope Maynard gets off a good one this time.

11. Throw deep to Marty Booker to try to climb out of 14-0 hole.

11. Anthony Thomas up the middle.

12. Fumbleruski.

13. Anthony Thomas up the middle.

14. Punt again.

15. Go deep for a score, but only if there is less than 2 minutes left in the half.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Maybe Rex Grossman / Ron Turner aren't so bad...

I forgot how bad the John Shoop era.

He ran a bizarro run and shoot offense.... snap and craap

On 3rd and 15, Aaron Brooks drops back and throws a 2 yard slip screen pass to Randy Moss.

 

[diesel7982]

Maybe Rex Grossman / Ron Turner aren't so bad...

I forgot how bad the John Shoop era.



He ran a bizarro run and shoot offense.... snap and craap

On 3rd and 15, Aaron Brooks drops back and throws a 2 yard slip screen pass to Randy Moss.

It was interesting. Gary Crowton took Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Marcus Robinson, and Marty Booker, and produced a very innovative passing offense that produced.John Shoop tried to run the same offense and it was possibly the worst thing the NFL has seen in the past 2 decades.

 

[massraider]

Shoop ran dink and dunk?

Sounds good to me. Anyone seen the Raider O-line? Maybe Shoop will keep the QB's upright. Because Walsh was brutal. Whatever the problem is with the O-line, 7 step drops needed to be shelved indefinitely.

Not saying Shoop is fantastic, and I get where the Bears fans are coming from, but I don't think they understand how bad Walsh really is.

 

[Raider Nation]

We get it. Shoop isn't going to remind anyone of Don Coryell.

But at least he has been in the game the past several years. He was with a good offensive mind in Jon Gruden in 2004. Maybe he became a better coach and learned something that he can pass along to his players.

The only thing Walsh knew about was how to remove schmeg stains from bed sheets.