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Fanball says Culpepper out for year? (1 Viewer)

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IR'd him based upon this (injured list allowance in our league so I could bring him back if needed), in a 14 team re-draft.

I drafted him late enough to not be upset about him not being ready. And Leftwich a round or 2 later has turned out to be fantasy gold. Cpepp was bench fodder for most of us anyway @ this point, so maybe with a month or so on the shelf, he can get his shizzle together. Sad to see really - he was fun to wacth chucking the ball 60 yds down field in his day. Hope he gets it back.

Scraps on the WW are: Gradkowski (took him :banned: ), Joey, Walters. That's it. Play one league, but some guys hoard 3 qbs for some unknown reason. Grad showed some *grit* and solid decision making, and I refuse to put my fantasy team in Joey's hands, even for a bye week, after watching him implode in DET. Not blaming Harrington for ALL his failures in the motor city (see Kitna), but most of em'.

 
I agree the article is speculation. I'm still debating dropping him this week, especially with the short rosters of the league I own him in. Because the rosters are short (and some of the owners are lame) there are guys like Rivers, L. Washington and Crumpler available that could really help my team.
Even if we somehow knew he'd be back next week, I'd drop Culpepper for Rivers in a second.
 
I agree the article is speculation. I'm still debating dropping him this week, especially with the short rosters of the league I own him in. Because the rosters are short (and some of the owners are lame) there are guys like Rivers, L. Washington and Crumpler available that could really help my team.
Even if we somehow knew he'd be back next week, I'd drop Culpepper for Rivers in a second.
Easy decision.
 
I agree the article is speculation. I'm still debating dropping him this week, especially with the short rosters of the league I own him in. Because the rosters are short (and some of the owners are lame) there are guys like Rivers, L. Washington and Crumpler available that could really help my team.
Even if we somehow knew he'd be back next week, I'd drop Culpepper for Rivers in a second.
Easy decision.
Maybe I'm making it too complicated. My thought process was tryingt to hold out on C-pep hoping he regains some of his old form for the stretch run (I admit, the odds on this are looking slim). In that case he would be more valuable to my team than Rivers, who is solid but probably not spectacular this year. Not trying to turn this into the AC forum, just giving my thought process.
 
IR'd him based upon this (injured list allowance in our league so I could bring him back if needed), in a 14 team re-draft. I drafted him late enough to not be upset about him not being ready. And Leftwich a round or 2 later has turned out to be fantasy gold. Cpepp was bench fodder for most of us anyway @ this point, so maybe with a month or so on the shelf, he can get his shizzle together. Sad to see really - he was fun to wacth chucking the ball 60 yds down field in his day. Hope he gets it back.Scraps on the WW are: Gradkowski (took him :banned: ), Joey, Walters. That's it. Play one league, but some guys hoard 3 qbs for some unknown reason. Grad showed some *grit* and solid decision making, and I refuse to put my fantasy team in Joey's hands, even for a bye week, after watching him implode in DET. Not blaming Harrington for ALL his failures in the motor city (see Kitna), but most of em'.
tell me more please
 
Week to Week according to Saban.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...397/1002/SPORTS

Dolphins to Stick With Harrington at QB

The Associated Press

DAVIE -- There's no mystery this week. Joey Harrington will remain as the Miami Dolphins' starting quarterback.

For now, anyway.

Dolphins coach Nick Saban said Monday that when his team opens practice for next Sunday's visit to the New York Jets, Harrington will be the first-stringer. Daunte Culpepper will enter a rehab-type program designed to help restore some explosive movement in his surgically rebuilt right knee.

"We'll evaluate it on a week-toweek basis," Saban said. "This week, we're going to plan to play like we did last week. ... We're going to work with Daunte, improve his movement, give him some reps in practice, get Joey ready to play in the game. Now, does that make him the starter? I guess that makes him the starter."

Harrington completed 26 of 41 passes for 232 yards and two interceptions Sunday in Miami's 20-10 loss at New England. He was chosen the starter one day earlier by Saban, while Culpepper was listed as "probable" on the team's injury report with what the team said was a sore shoulder.

And while Saban said Culpepper's shoulder remains a concern, it was clear that the knee recovery issues were foremost in his decision to continue with Harrington.

The decision could change "any time," Saban said, but no timetable for Culpepper's return exists.

"When he's playing and he can move laterally and quickly, not just in straight-ahead running, but in lateral movements and quick, explosive movements," Saban said when asked what he needs to see before he'd return Culpepper to the starting role. "That's what we'll be looking for."
 
This kinda goes along with the "Eagles: Westbrook needs microfracture surgery? 10/08/06 12:40 PM" post Fanball had last week. Seems like they want to be quick to report something so they post it and put a question mark at the end and wait to see what happens.
Fanball sucks?To be fair though, the major news networks started this trend. Especially during the Israel-Lebanon conflict, with headlines like "WWIII is here?" and "Apocolypse is coming?".Pathetic.
 
Don't say we didn't warn you during the offseason and during the preseason when Culpepper looked good in limited action.
I bet I can find PLENTY of hype by fanball about C-Pepp.We were also high on him, though I consistently stated that I thought he'd struggle early in the year. Also, you could check a ton of Dolphin threads and you will see a ton of coments from folks about how C-Pepp was not stepping into his throws and was losing his strength in the fourth - and was not able to run away from pressure.He NEEDS to be shelved for at least a month so he can get HEALTHY. It was a huge mistake to play him from day one forward. His legs are, I would approximate, at 80% - he needs more PHYSICAL THERAPY and REHAB for his injured knee. NOT GAME TIME!!!
 
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And Vikings fans that knew this was coming point and laugh... :bye:
Vikings fans can't laugh too hard, they have Brad Johnson as a starter. They didn't pay Culpepper the big dough, but they aren't much better at QB.
actually we can laugh pretty hard, Johnson is getting paid about a 10th what culppeper is, and I disagree dante is a complete mess, brad is fine, not great but he'll do for now.
 
I'm still cautious to let Culpepper go in even in redraft leagues. There's a lot of talent around him, and taking a few weeks off might be a good thing if he comes back with something to prove during the fantasy football playoffs.That said, I'm still strongly considering dropping him for someone like Frye, Plummer, or Alex Smith. :bag:The interesting thing about Culpepper is that he hasn't been awful as a FANTASY qb, because he's been getting garbage time / late yards. But I can definitely see why Miami 1) doesn't want to risk further injury for future years and 2) doesn't think he's getting the job done now :)That said, notice that Harrington is NOT on that list of who I'd drop him for. Somehow I have more faith in Plummer, Frye and Alex Smith than Joey? Wow. No wonder I'm in 11th place :)
I have started Culpepper every week until last week. Picked up Charlie Frye to fill in.I am planning to get Damon Huard and Trent Green this week of waivers to fill my troublesome qb position.
 
I'd consult the checkout girl for fantasy advice before I'd go to Fanball. They've proven to be very amateurish over the years. Look elsewhere - anywhere else.

 
If Culpepper is out for the year what are you really missing?

You are not missing the Culpepper of 2002 0r 03. The guy is a shell of the player he once was and a lower tier FF QB.

 
I'd consult the checkout girl for fantasy advice before I'd go to Fanball. They've proven to be very amateurish over the years. Look elsewhere - anywhere else.
They may not have the Troy Walters thing right, but Culpepper needing rehab ratehr than in-game time is a dead on assessment.And there is no question that C-Pepp is sitting this week and Harrington is starting.I listened to Saban's press conference about the incident and he said their disagreement was a "family matter" (read: medical issue) and that he'd have been disappointed if C-Pepp did NOT blow up after being told he wouldn't be playing.He wants players who want to play. IMO, C-Pepp is not hea;thy enough to be playing and the team is better off with a healthy Harrington than a "needing to rehab" C-Pepp who is not able to use his legs when he throws or when the pressure comes.
 
FWIW (which isn't much) was at a wedding this weekend and was chatting to an orthopedic surgeon. He said in his medical opinion, Cpep is toast. No way he is ever the same player on that knee after tearing all three ligaments. So I'm not surprised to hear news he might be shut down.

 
FWIW (which isn't much) was at a wedding this weekend and was chatting to an orthopedic surgeon. He said in his medical opinion, Cpep is toast. No way he is ever the same player on that knee after tearing all three ligaments. So I'm not surprised to hear news he might be shut down.
My niece has a friend that works at the Starbucks in South Beach, she said when Culpepper is walking out after getting his latte he is still limping.
 
Miami Herald article tends to support the hypothesis

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Posted on Tue, Oct. 10, 2006

MIAMI DOLPHINS

Harrington named starter, Culpepper out indefinitely

Dolphins coach Nick Saban said Daunte Culpepper will not return to the starting lineup until he regains his 'explosion,' which might not be until next season.

BY ARMANDO SALGUERO

asalguero@MiamiHerald.com

Joey Harrington is the new starting quarterback, and Daunte Culpepper has been shelved. But that unambiguous change Monday left the Dolphins with a vague and troubling question:

Can Culpepper return this season?

The Dolphins have benched Culpepper indefinitely until he regains what coach Nick Saban called his ''explosion,'' and regaining that gift might take an extended period of time.

There were whispers around the club Monday that Culpepper might not return to the lineup for weeks or, in the worst-case scenario, not until next season.

''I don't have a timetable for it because I don't know when it's going to happen,'' Saban said. ``We'll evaluate it on a week-to-week basis.''

Culpepper does not cherish the idea of being out of the lineup for any amount of time, and that was one reason he and Saban were involved in a heated exchange Friday.

The disagreement between the coach and quarterback happened because Culpepper wanted to take more repetitions during Friday's practice even as Saban was trying to lighten his load.

The coach did not refute the argument occurred, but dismissed its importance.

`NOT AN ISSUE'

''I confront players on the field all the time,'' Saban said Monday. ``There's not a player that's been here that's been disrespectful to me. And Daunte was never disrespectful to me.

``If I confronted him on the field, I think that's family business. I really do. And I don't think that's anybody else's business. I think that's what coaches and players do. I have done that to other players, so it's not an issue. And this is not an issue. It's not an issue to me. It's not an issue for him. We talked about it. It's not an issue.''

There seems to be no lingering bitterness from the exchange on Saban's part.

''I would be disappointed in him as a competitor if he didn't want to play,'' Saban said of Culpepper. ``That's what he is, that's what I admire about him. He's a tremendous leader, he's got a presence, he really, really wants to play. I respect that.''

But no amount of respect is enough to douse Culpepper's competitive fire to play now and throughout this season. That is why teammates say privately that Culpepper is unhappy at the prospect of not playing this week and probably for quite a while.

Culpepper left the locker room Monday before media was allowed to enter. He has declined to talk about anything since Wednesday.

Saban, meanwhile, confirmed that the former starter isn't thrilled with his new status.

''I respect the fact he's disappointed that he's not where he wants to be or not out there playing with his teammates,'' Saban said. ``I respect that. It's not a bad thing.''

It certainly isn't a bad thing for Harrington, who will get his 57th start in 60 NFL games played Sunday against the Jets. The Dolphins will give Harrington a clear majority of the first-team repetitions in practice while putting Culpepper on a rehabilitation program and giving him fewer snaps.

NOT PERMANENT

''We're going to work with Daunte, improve his movement, give him some reps in practice and get Joey ready to play in the game,'' Saban said. ``Does that make [Harrington] the starter? I guess that makes him the starter. But that can change anytime in the future.''

It apparently will not change, however, until the Dolphins are convinced Culpepper has regained much of the mobility he enjoyed before his right knee injury last October.

That injury, while healed, has sapped Culpepper's ability to escape from defenders in the pocket as well as the open field. And that has turned him into a target other teams have sacked 21 times.

Culpepper underwent a battery of tests Monday to determine how close -- or how far -- he is from regaining his mobility, and the program to improve that mobility has begun.

''It's an explosive-movement-type program that might help him regain the quick-burst-type movements,'' Saban said.

The Dolphins apparently will know exactly the right time for Culpepper's return to the starting lineup, because the indications will be clear.

''When he doesn't limp at all when he's playing, and he can move laterally and quickly,'' Saban said. ``It's not just straight-ahead running, but in lateral explosive movements. That's what we'll be looking for.''

That is what raises the possibility Culpepper might be out an extended period.

Typically, players who undergo reconstructive knee surgeries, as Culpepper did, can play within one year or less after their surgery, but don't fully regain their explosion until two years or less after their surgeries.

If the Dolphins hold Culpepper to the strict standard of waiting until he is completely recovered, the player might be out of the lineup months, which would be too late for him to participate this season.

Armando Salguero can be heard weeknights 6-7 on Newstalk 1360

 
Dolphins: Culpepper done for the season?

10/10/06 10:50 AM

THE NEWS

Though Nick Saban continues to speak in vague terms about when Daunte Culpepper might return to action, rumors are cropping up that he might not be ready until next season. Culpepper has been benched indefinitely, until he is able to regain what Saban described as his "explosion," according to the Miami Herald. "I don't have a timetable for it because I don't know when it's going to happen," Saban told the Herald. "We'll evaluate it on a week-to-week basis."

Our View

Don't say we didn't warn you during the offseason and during the preseason when Culpepper looked good in limited action. Daunte's surgically-repaired knee is clearly hampering him, and the team will reportedly sit him until he is able to regain some of the mobility that made him an All-Pro several years ago. Considering recovery from three torn knee ligaments can take up to 18 months, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Daunte misses the rest of this season. Regardless, Daunte was awful even while he was playing, so fantasy owners should have moved on already. Unless you have room to carry a gimpy quarterback who is very unlikely to make a significant impact this year, there's little reason to even keep Culpepper on your roster.

 
Though Nick Saban continues to speak in vague terms about when Daunte Culpepper might return to action, rumors are cropping up that he might not be ready until next season. Culpepper has been benched indefinitely, until he is able to regain what Saban described as his "explosion," according to the Miami Herald. "I don't have a timetable for it because I don't know when it's going to happen," Saban told the Herald. "We'll evaluate it on a week-to-week basis."

 
I read fanball and it looks like speculation but I am glad I grabbed Harrington in a couple leagues last week just in case this happens.

 
This would have been hugely disappointing news to Chambers, McMicheal, and even Brown owners before the season started, but, based on how he performed, it shouldn't make any difference to their owners at this point.

He renedered the other Dolphins worthless in FF terms, and that shouldn't change much with Harrington at the helm.

 
Dolphins: Culpepper done for the season?

10/10/06 10:50 AM

THE NEWS

Though Nick Saban continues to speak in vague terms about when Daunte Culpepper might return to action, rumors are cropping up that he might not be ready until next season. Culpepper has been benched indefinitely, until he is able to regain what Saban described as his "explosion," according to the Miami Herald. "I don't have a timetable for it because I don't know when it's going to happen," Saban told the Herald. "We'll evaluate it on a week-to-week basis."

Our View

Don't say we didn't warn you during the offseason and during the preseason when Culpepper looked good in limited action. Daunte's surgically-repaired knee is clearly hampering him, and the team will reportedly sit him until he is able to regain some of the mobility that made him an All-Pro several years ago. Considering recovery from three torn knee ligaments can take up to 18 months, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Daunte misses the rest of this season. Regardless, Daunte was awful even while he was playing, so fantasy owners should have moved on already. Unless you have room to carry a gimpy quarterback who is very unlikely to make a significant impact this year, there's little reason to even keep Culpepper on your roster.
how do they get out for season from week-to-week basis? alot of speculation/dramatization going on here...
 
This would have been hugely disappointing news to Chambers, McMicheal, and even Brown owners before the season started, but, based on how he performed, it shouldn't make any difference to their owners at this point.He renedered the other Dolphins worthless in FF terms, and that shouldn't change much with Harrington at the helm.
Holding out for hope that Harrington is at least *a bit* of an improvement. He wasn't horrible against the Pats. I think the O-line is the problem with Brown and consequently a big part of why Culpepper struggled.anyway, I haven't been able to get rid of Chambers through a trade so i guess that's that. I picked Joey H in one of my other leagues because I don't have a real backup (Losman is it so far). Who knows?
 
This kinda goes along with the "Eagles: Westbrook needs microfracture surgery? 10/08/06 12:40 PM" post Fanball had last week.

Seems like they want to be quick to report something so they post it and put a question mark at the end and wait to see what happens.

 
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Seems like they want to be quick to report something so they post it and put a question mark at the end and wait to see what happens.
Exactly. And then if it happens, you'll read "We broke the Culpepper story!" when it should be "We broke the Culpepper story?"Seems to be a common thing these days, not even just around sports headlines - check out the cable "news" shows.

 
aside from the nebulous... rumors are swirling... this sentence...

"Considering recovery from three torn knee ligaments can take up to 18 months, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Daunte misses the rest of this season."

seems to make quite plain that it is indulging in speculation...

that said, it is plausible... i'm not sure what kind of percentage i would assign for liklihood, but it is a distinct possibility that it could happen... recently i was thinking c-pepp would get it back in few weeks, a month... but if he looks this rusty now, he may need quite a bit longer to regain more of his explosiveness...

 
:lmao:

I read fanball and it looks like speculation but I am glad I grabbed Harrington in a couple leagues last week just in case this happens.
I'm going to grab every Defense Harrington faces from here on out :banned:
Good Comeback! My personal feeling is that Harrington is not as bad as many people think. We may find out in the next few weeks? I am certainly willing to take a flier as a free agent claim.
 
If this is true, this has not been a good week for me in my dynasty league. I traded my 2006 #1 pick during the offseason for Fitz and I traded my 2007 #1 earlier this season for CPep and Michael Clayton. :wall:

If there are any other players you would like to see injured just let me know. I'll see if we're allowed to trade 2008 picks yet. :bag:

 
Although I'll agree that this report from Fanball seems like nothing but speculation, I also think that Culpepper playing or not has about as much impact on fantasy football as some team's backup left guard getting injured.

 
I'm still cautious to let Culpepper go in even in redraft leagues. There's a lot of talent around him, and taking a few weeks off might be a good thing if he comes back with something to prove during the fantasy football playoffs.

That said, I'm still strongly considering dropping him for someone like Frye, Plummer, or Alex Smith. :bag:

The interesting thing about Culpepper is that he hasn't been awful as a FANTASY qb, because he's been getting garbage time / late yards. But I can definitely see why Miami 1) doesn't want to risk further injury for future years and 2) doesn't think he's getting the job done now :)

That said, notice that Harrington is NOT on that list of who I'd drop him for. Somehow I have more faith in Plummer, Frye and Alex Smith than Joey? Wow. No wonder I'm in 11th place :)

 
This would have been hugely disappointing news to Chambers, McMicheal, and even Brown owners before the season started, but, based on how he performed, it shouldn't make any difference to their owners at this point.He renedered the other Dolphins worthless in FF terms, and that shouldn't change much with Harrington at the helm.
I dont know about that. Chambers and McMichael both had season highs in receptions with Joey in there (Chambers tied his week 1 total of 5 catches). I think both get an upgrade, especially McMichael who had his highest target number of the season Sunday (he had 9, and his previous high for the season was 6). Chambers held steady with 10 targets (Welker had a team high 12 targets :o )Im liking Chambers' outlook with Joey more than I was with Daunte. And mark it down -- if Joey starts against the Lions on thanksgiving, he will be money. :yes:
 

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