Fantasy football as it equates to Poker (1 Viewer)

[PahtyTom]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also.

In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation.

This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.

I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

 

[Texican]

I completely agree. I have actually made "feeler" offers to some owner about players I really do not want. I know after I show interest that they will not let them go. I use it against them because they kind of lock up their roster.

 

[BoulderBob]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

Not much you can do, either be willing to get raped to aquire the player you want, or simply stand pat.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

Your analogy is terrible. I don't think you are a very good poker player or have played with one. If someone is clearly the best poker player, others don't constantly take shots at this player, they stay the hell out of the way. People take shots at two kinds of players: weak ones who back down when facing aggression or players that dramaticlly overplay marginal hands regularly.

 

[PahtyTom]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

Your analogy is terrible. I don't think you are a very good poker player or have played with one. If someone is clearly the best poker player, others don't constantly take shots at this player, they stay the hell out of the way. People take shots at two kinds of players: weak ones who back down when facing aggression or players that dramaticlly overplay marginal hands regularly.

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

 

[gheemony]

Great analogy. I am in a very complex auction and salary cap league. It is very competitive because we've weeded out the novice owners that can't keep up with the rules. I've won it 3 out of 4 years.

My solution, using the analogy, is to switch gears. If everyone thinks you are playing tight, play loose. If you look passive, switch to aggressive. I won the first two years by building off of sleeper RBs (e.g., I won with Curtis Martin's career year). Everyone caught on, so there were no cheap sleeper RBs. That caused a drop in the prices for WRs and TEs, so I loaded up and won with Boldin and Steve Smith last year.

The other thing is that I assume that I will not be able to make any trades during the season because everyone fears that I will dupe them. That means I spend extra time trying to have the perfect draft and I work the waiver wire hard. That is hard to in our league because of the salary cap, but I allow for it by spending a lot less at our auction than every other team. That leaves me money to outbid everyone the wire.

In your case, I think that means that you have draft a deep and balanced team. You have to be able to cover injuries and bye weeks straight out of your auction and with minor help from the waiver wire. It is risky for you to try overload at one position and then trade to fill weaknesses. That's why I "slow play" QBs. I fill up with the undervalued guys like Delhomme, Plummer, Roethlisberger. Because there is depth (see Grossman, Kitna, Rivers, Smith), I know I can cover a weakness from the wire. But at RB, the pickings are slim, so I make sure to draft 3 solid RBs even though we only need 1 RB and 1 RB/WR.

Switch gears to keep your opponents on your toes. And throwing in a "bluff" trade now then doesn't hurt.

 

[dawgtrails]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

I'm sorry, but if you have won your league for 8 straight years, all that tells me is that you play with a bunch of idiots. No matter how good you are, and you clearly think you are very good, if there were any decent owners in your league you wouldnt have won every year.Go find some people to play with who know what they are doing.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

Your analogy is terrible. I don't think you are a very good poker player or have played with one. If someone is clearly the best poker player, others don't constantly take shots at this player, they stay the hell out of the way. People take shots at two kinds of players: weak ones who back down when facing aggression or players that dramaticlly overplay marginal hands regularly.

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

If your league is full of newbies than your analogy holds true. However, most intermidiate to good poker players know that it is much easier to lift chips from a rookie player than it is to take them off of a pro.The way I see it, most people in your league are unwilling to trade with you (their offers are rediculously high). I would equate this to folding and not playing against the pro in poker rather than trying to take him down.

 

[Buttmonkey]

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

A million hands at 1 minute per hand equates to 694 days of straight playing (no breaks). So there is absolutely no way you play a million hands a year. You probalby should back up your big talk with something more tangible.

Take care now.

 

[One]

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

A million hands at 1 minute per hand equates to 694 days of straight playing (no breaks). So there is absolutely no way you play a million hands a year. You probalby should back up your big talk with something more tangible.

Take care now.

 

[GregR_2]

I completely agree. I have actually made "feeler" offers to some owner about players I really do not want. I know after I show interest that they will not let them go. I use it against them because they kind of lock up their roster.

Yep, that's the way to do it. I have bid on guys in an auction league just because there were people who went out of their way to deny me players, and by showing interest I knew I could get them to commit some money and fill a roster spot with a guy I wasn't interested in.Of course, I'm myself trying to deny worthwhile players to the other owners I consider my biggest rivals, so it makes for an interesting time.

 

[radballs]

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

A million hands at 1 minute per hand equates to 694 days of straight playing (no breaks). So there is absolutely no way you play a million hands a year. You probalby should back up your big talk with something more tangible.

Take care now.

Multitabling?

 

[gheemony]

Sadly, what seemed like a topic that would generate good discussion, has degenerated into name-calling. I think the guy said he won every other year, not every year.

Can't we ignore whether the guy is a good poker player and answer the underlying question: "what do you do if you're viewed as a 'shark' and no one will trade with you for fear of being duped?"

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

A million hands at 1 minute per hand equates to 694 days of straight playing (no breaks). So there is absolutely no way you play a million hands a year. You probalby should back up your big talk with something more tangible.

Take care now.

Multitabling?

If you played 6 tables at a time for 8 hours a day (with no days off) you could do it. It would be pretty tough to average over 3 BB/100 hands at this rate.

Not to mention that if you played 1 million hands in a year and averaged 3 BB/100 hands at 20/40 stakes, you would make 1.2M per year. It wouldn't leave you much time to post on Footballguys.

 

[PahtyTom]

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

A million hands at 1 minute per hand equates to 694 days of straight playing (no breaks). So there is absolutely no way you play a million hands a year. You probalby should back up your big talk with something more tangible.

Take care now.

I multi-table (usually 4+ tables at once) and actually still have all the hand histories if you really care to see them. Stop being silly and contribute something to the useful to the thread.

 

[radballs]

Sadly, what seemed like a topic that would generate good discussion, has degenerated into name-calling. I think the guy said he won every other year, not every year.Can't we ignore whether the guy is a good poker player and answer the underlying question: "what do you do if you're viewed as a 'shark' and no one will trade with you for fear of being duped?"

I agree that I think your normal predraft approach has to be that you draft a very deep team. If we're talking about an auction league, it means you wait and fill out your roster with good but not great players all the way across the board. In a serpentine, maybe you go stud RB instead of going with WRs early because that position is easier to fill. In either case though, I find it rare that every other league member will shut you out if you are throwing out more than reasonable trade offers. After all, it ISN'T 11 against 1. At least one other guy out there is going to be willing to deal with you IF your offers are fair.

 

[PahtyTom]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

I'm sorry, but if you have won your league for 8 straight years, all that tells me is that you play with a bunch of idiots. No matter how good you are, and you clearly think you are very good, if there were any decent owners in your league you wouldnt have won every year.Go find some people to play with who know what they are doing.

I said every other year.

 

[PahtyTom]

Great analogy. I am in a very complex auction and salary cap league. It is very competitive because we've weeded out the novice owners that can't keep up with the rules. I've won it 3 out of 4 years.My solution, using the analogy, is to switch gears. If everyone thinks you are playing tight, play loose. If you look passive, switch to aggressive. I won the first two years by building off of sleeper RBs (e.g., I won with Curtis Martin's career year). Everyone caught on, so there were no cheap sleeper RBs. That caused a drop in the prices for WRs and TEs, so I loaded up and won with Boldin and Steve Smith last year.The other thing is that I assume that I will not be able to make any trades during the season because everyone fears that I will dupe them. That means I spend extra time trying to have the perfect draft and I work the waiver wire hard. That is hard to in our league because of the salary cap, but I allow for it by spending a lot less at our auction than every other team. That leaves me money to outbid everyone the wire. In your case, I think that means that you have draft a deep and balanced team. You have to be able to cover injuries and bye weeks straight out of your auction and with minor help from the waiver wire. It is risky for you to try overload at one position and then trade to fill weaknesses. That's why I "slow play" QBs. I fill up with the undervalued guys like Delhomme, Plummer, Roethlisberger. Because there is depth (see Grossman, Kitna, Rivers, Smith), I know I can cover a weakness from the wire. But at RB, the pickings are slim, so I make sure to draft 3 solid RBs even though we only need 1 RB and 1 RB/WR.Switch gears to keep your opponents on your toes. And throwing in a "bluff" trade now then doesn't hurt.

I think you are dead on in your analysis regarding drafting deep and balanced. I really came away from my last 2 drafts in this league disappointed in myself. I think when you know that you are going to be handcuffed by other owners not trading much with you during the year, you really have to place even more emphasis on the draft.

 

[PahtyTom]

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

A million hands at 1 minute per hand equates to 694 days of straight playing (no breaks). So there is absolutely no way you play a million hands a year. You probalby should back up your big talk with something more tangible.

Take care now.

Multitabling?

If you played 6 tables at a time for 8 hours a day (with no days off) you could do it. It would be pretty tough to average over 3 BB/100 hands at this rate.

Not to mention that if you played 1 million hands in a year and averaged 3 BB/100 hands at 20/40 stakes, you would make 1.2M per year. It wouldn't leave you much time to post on Footballguys.

I admit I didn't exclusively play 20/40. I played anywhere from 5/10 to 20/40 short handed. I would just sit at the best tables in that range. I was wrong when I said a million hands a year also, I played 560k last year. I apologize for sidetracking the thread, I won't post anything more about poker I don't want the thread to get locked and think it could be an interesting topic for some of us.

 

[finashkey]

I dont play with real serious players, but I agree that being labeled a shark (or maybe people just dont want to trade with you) just means you have to be better, more accurate in the draft and valuing players post-draft. When you do make a trade, it will probably have to be generally considered very favorable league-wide for the other team... it will usually have to be a very unobvious buy low, sell high, and that is where you have to be accurate, otherwise it is just a bad trade for you.

I dont think you should hurt your team and help someone beat you, but maybe you could help a bad team in your league with a small trade in his favor... or make some "mistakes" on WW pickups or no gain deals. Try to keep it from seeming as though every move you make is great for you if you can afford to do this from time to time.

Also, always start your trade offers by receiving a lot more than you are really targeting or giving up a lot less than you are willing to. Then either let him walk right into countering with the offer you really wanted or work your way down to what you really want if he doesnt counter with your target offer. I know most people do this anyway, but it is even more important for you not to come right out with an offer for the player you are targeting because then other owners will go after him or he may become unavailable or whatever.

I think usually your best hope is it to make some "ridiculous" offer and make sure to include the player you want, then hope he counters with a deal he thinks is almost as ridiculous, but it is actually not so silly to you and you accept it because you are confident in your projections. This way you still might be "overpaying" but if you tried to offer this deal yourself he would decline because he would figure you knew something he didnt.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Over the last few years, I've noticed some correlation between fantasy football and poker. When you are the best coach in your league, and all your other leaguemates know it and fear you, it is very similar to being the best poker player at a table when all the other players at the table know it also. In my main league, I have won it every other year since its inception 8 years ago. Now, everytime I try to make a move on a player, not only do I have to pay a ridiculous price to get that player, but even if I am willing to vastly overpay the owner still might not trade me the player just out of fear that it will help me or that I am "duping him". I've also noticed that after I go after a player in a trade, other coaches in my league find out and many try to go after him to block me. It is always easier for the other coaches to make trades than it is for me because of my reputation. This reminds me of being at the poker table where you are the best player, but since everyone is constantly taking shots at you, it becomes a very volatile situation. In the long run, you should still win, but it is harder and less stable because everyone is consumed with beating you and while they are not good players individually, collectively they become a worthy foe.I bring this up because I am not sure what the best way to combat this is in fantasy football. In this situation in poker, since everyone is eager to try to beat you a pot it is often best to just use their aggression against them and let them pay you off big when you have a great hand. What is the equivilent of that in fantasy football? Or, in your estimation, what is the best way to take advantage of owners who all are taking a special interest in beating you?

Your analogy is terrible. I don't think you are a very good poker player or have played with one. If someone is clearly the best poker player, others don't constantly take shots at this player, they stay the hell out of the way. People take shots at two kinds of players: weak ones who back down when facing aggression or players that dramaticlly overplay marginal hands regularly.

Thanks for the criticism but I actually played 20/40 short handed online poker for a living for the last 2 years and averaged over 3 BB/100 hands until Party just shut me out. I know the game, I play over a million hands a year and have played online and live with some of the best and smartest players in the world at my stakes. My analogy was in reference to what you see on TV where newbies are constantly taking ill-advised chances against pros in these tournaments just to say they beat them. You are wrong about people staying out of the way of the best players. Ask the pros if any of the newbies are "staying the hell out of the way" of them when they open pots. Again, you're wrong and you come off as an....nevermind.

I stand by what I said. Your analogy was terrible. You could have made a better one, but you didn't. Over the years, I have seen many poor analogies made between poker and FF. If it is OK for people to write "Great Point" as some did in the beginning of the thread, then I am not sure why it is so wrong for someone to have a dissenting opinion. Perhaps it wasn't you intention, but in these two posts, the main point appeared to be, "I am great at FF and I am great at poker." This attitude was further validated when in your reply you stated (incorrectly) that you played 1 million hands of 20/40 and averaged 3BB an hour for the past year. (To your credit, you moved off of this assumption when it was pointed out that you would need to multi-table 6 tables at 8 hours per day 7 days per week to reach this number. You also backed off the 20/40 when it was pointed out you would have won 1.2 million at this rate.) You gave incorrect information in an attempt to make you look like more of an authority. Then you changed your premise from "when you are the best player at the table", to "when pros are playing with newbies on tv." When players take shots at pros on tv, the are doing it to be famous by knocking out the famous guy and getting on tv for a few minutes. So, I am not sure why it is me who looks like the...nevermind.Also, hats off to radballs for being a great poster, and addressing the content of how to draft/assemble a team when no wants to deal with you. That discussion, however, needs no poker analogy.

 

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[Gamblor]

I admit I didn't exclusively play 20/40. I played anywhere from 5/10 to 20/40 short handed. I would just sit at the best tables in that range. I was wrong when I said a million hands a year also, I played 560k last year. I apologize for sidetracking the thread, I won't post anything more about poker I don't want the thread to get locked and think it could be an interesting topic for some of us.

I suppose next you will tell us you really came in last, not first, in your pool every other year?

 

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