Favre's On The Field Performance For 2010 (1 Viewer)

[Pipes]

Especially if you consider that many would have, and some say he should have sat out the last several games in 2008 with the Jets.

You can look at it like this: Favre only played 12 games healthy in 2008. Sure, he played the other four games ... but had about a 53.0 passer rating through that stretch (2 TDs, 8 INTs).Then, he got hurt bad enough against New Orleans in the NFC title game that he probably would not have been able to play effectively within 7 days (as he'd have to during the regular season). I'm sure he would've taken the field, but IMHO would've been very limited.Worrying about Favre either (a) getting hurt enough to be ineffective for a long stretch, or (b) missing games is not crazy talk.

It's interesting to me that the "Farve will get hurt" contingent is clinging to the "He was less than 100% for four games 2 years ago" as the cornerstone of their argument. Tom Brady has probably played less than 10 games at 80% healthy or better over the last TWO YEARS yet nobody seems to be dead set on him missing 2+ games this year. Look at Favre's GS/GP stats... nothing but 16s since some of you were in diapers.

No the cornerstone of that arguement is the guy is or will be 41 years old. Eventually his body is going to break down...happens to everyone. Even tough guys like Favre.

 

[psychobillies]

Especially if you consider that many would have, and some say he should have sat out the last several games in 2008 with the Jets.

You can look at it like this: Favre only played 12 games healthy in 2008. Sure, he played the other four games ... but had about a 53.0 passer rating through that stretch (2 TDs, 8 INTs).Then, he got hurt bad enough against New Orleans in the NFC title game that he probably would not have been able to play effectively within 7 days (as he'd have to during the regular season). I'm sure he would've taken the field, but IMHO would've been very limited.Worrying about Favre either (a) getting hurt enough to be ineffective for a long stretch, or (b) missing games is not crazy talk.

It's interesting to me that the "Farve will get hurt" contingent is clinging to the "He was less than 100% for four games 2 years ago" as the cornerstone of their argument. Tom Brady has probably played less than 10 games at 80% healthy or better over the last TWO YEARS yet nobody seems to be dead set on him missing 2+ games this year. Look at Favre's GS/GP stats... nothing but 16s since some of you were in diapers.

No the cornerstone of that arguement is the guy is or will be 41 years old. Eventually his body is going to break down...happens to everyone. Even tough guys like Favre.

Exactly. He is older and he's not 100% as we speak.

 

[ookook]

A few points here.

(1) There is a such thing as "gambler's fallacy" that canbe at work. That is, if someone rolls a 6 on a die 12 times in a row the odds are teh same as whether they had not for the next roll. Yeah, I get age.

(2) It is perfectly reasonable to expect a decline based on the much-maligned regression to the mean. However, he might also improve some with having played with players longer. Then again, they SHOULD protect him more even taking him out when the game is out of hand in either direction.

(3) Most QBs should probably be projected at about 14.8 games per season.

(4) Player rankings should lean more toward PPG than points per season, especially for QBs and one KNOWS they can find a starter on the wire. So 14 game projections matter not to me. Or at least matter not MUCH.

So I say only a slight decline in TDs and a significant increase in INTs but not to where it was in his worst seasons. Why the latter? Not playing from behind, trusting defense, having a rushing game.

30 TDs, 13 INTs.

Yards? I guess a 15% decrease.

 

[sho nuff]

Especially if you consider that many would have, and some say he should have sat out the last several games in 2008 with the Jets.

You can look at it like this: Favre only played 12 games healthy in 2008. Sure, he played the other four games ... but had about a 53.0 passer rating through that stretch (2 TDs, 8 INTs).Then, he got hurt bad enough against New Orleans in the NFC title game that he probably would not have been able to play effectively within 7 days (as he'd have to during the regular season). I'm sure he would've taken the field, but IMHO would've been very limited.Worrying about Favre either (a) getting hurt enough to be ineffective for a long stretch, or (b) missing games is not crazy talk.

It's interesting to me that the "Farve will get hurt" contingent is clinging to the "He was less than 100% for four games 2 years ago" as the cornerstone of their argument. Tom Brady has probably played less than 10 games at 80% healthy or better over the last TWO YEARS yet nobody seems to be dead set on him missing 2+ games this year. Look at Favre's GS/GP stats... nothing but 16s since some of you were in diapers.

Its not a "Favre will get hurt" contingent...its a group who understands the reasoning behind the risk of it all and the projection.Was Tom Brady as ineffective or downright bad as Favre was in those 4 games? We all heard that the injury was the reason for how bad he played...was Brady that bad? I don't recall him being that bad.

 

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Especially if you consider that many would have, and some say he should have sat out the last several games in 2008 with the Jets.

You can look at it like this: Favre only played 12 games healthy in 2008. Sure, he played the other four games ... but had about a 53.0 passer rating through that stretch (2 TDs, 8 INTs).Then, he got hurt bad enough against New Orleans in the NFC title game that he probably would not have been able to play effectively within 7 days (as he'd have to during the regular season). I'm sure he would've taken the field, but IMHO would've been very limited.Worrying about Favre either (a) getting hurt enough to be ineffective for a long stretch, or (b) missing games is not crazy talk.

It's interesting to me that the "Farve will get hurt" contingent is clinging to the "He was less than 100% for four games 2 years ago" as the cornerstone of their argument. Tom Brady has probably played less than 10 games at 80% healthy or better over the last TWO YEARS yet nobody seems to be dead set on him missing 2+ games this year. Look at Favre's GS/GP stats... nothing but 16s since some of you were in diapers.

No the cornerstone of that arguement is the guy is or will be 41 years old. Eventually his body is going to break down...happens to everyone. Even tough guys like Favre.

Exactly. He is older and he's not 100% as we speak.

Any my point is that he posted this career year at 40. We're talking about 9 months difference here. I recall these SAME arguements after he left the Jets and went to the Vikings. "HE'S 40!!! He was hurt the last 4 games. HE's DONE!" How'd that turn out? This year... "He's 41!!!!! He was hurt the last 4 games TWO years ago!! Ignore the Career Year numbers behind the curtain. Get GARRARD!" I've seen this song and dance before.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Any my point is that he posted this career year at 40. We're talking about 9 months difference here. I recall these SAME arguements after he left the Jets and went to the Vikings. "HE'S 40!!! He was hurt the last 4 games. HE's DONE!" How'd that turn out? This year... "He's 41!!!!! He was hurt the last 4 games TWO years ago!! Ignore the Career Year numbers behind the curtain. Get GARRARD!" I've seen this song and dance before.

 

[cr8f]

According to a report from Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole, Brett Favre's "disdain for [coach Brad] Childress is deep."

The two had it out on the sidelines last year, so this is no surprise. "Brett thinks Childress has no clue about offense," a Vikings player said. Chilly is reportedly coming under fire in the Vikes locker room after telling players and assistants to lie about the recent recruiting trip of Ryan Longwell, Steve Hutchinson, and Jared Allen. "Chilly can’t even tell the truth about that," another player said. "I mean, how ridiculous is that? What’s the big deal that he has to lie? Worse, he has to tell other guys to lie for him?"

Source: Yahoo! Sports

 

[Doug B]

Any my point is that he posted this career year at 40. We're talking about 9 months difference here. I recall these SAME arguements after he left the Jets and went to the Vikings. "HE'S 40!!! He was hurt the last 4 games. HE's DONE!" How'd that turn out? ...

I've seen this song and dance before.

Part of my point -- and admittedly something I can't prove or work out logically -- is that 2009 was an unrepeatable fluke season. I don't think it's his true, sustainable level of play at his age. I just don't -- stats be damned.Favre may well play 16 games, but he'll start games where his ability is compromised (see 2008). Tom Brady's false appearances on the IR for "shoulder" are a different thing all together (Belichik playing games with the IR).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

6-10. I think ur #'s look low unless they are factoring in an injury. Which is somewhat odd seeing as how brett has never missed a game-- i mean I know he's old but he's tough.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Especially if you consider that many would have, and some say he should have sat out the last several games in 2008 with the Jets.

You can look at it like this: Favre only played 12 games healthy in 2008. Sure, he played the other four games ... but had about a 53.0 passer rating through that stretch (2 TDs, 8 INTs).Then, he got hurt bad enough against New Orleans in the NFC title game that he probably would not have been able to play effectively within 7 days (as he'd have to during the regular season). I'm sure he would've taken the field, but IMHO would've been very limited.Worrying about Favre either (a) getting hurt enough to be ineffective for a long stretch, or (b) missing games is not crazy talk.

It's interesting to me that the "Farve will get hurt" contingent is clinging to the "He was less than 100% for four games 2 years ago" as the cornerstone of their argument. Tom Brady has probably played less than 10 games at 80% healthy or better over the last TWO YEARS yet nobody seems to be dead set on him missing 2+ games this year. Look at Favre's GS/GP stats... nothing but 16s since some of you were in diapers.

No the cornerstone of that arguement is the guy is or will be 41 years old. Eventually his body is going to break down...happens to everyone. Even tough guys like Favre.

He's never missed a game. I for one will keep betting on the streak until he does miss a game.

 

[Doug B]

He's never missed a game. I for one will keep betting on the streak until he does miss a game.

Missing games, at least for me, isn't even the point -- it's playing poorly while playing hurt.I do realize that some of the FBG-site projections show "14 games" for Favre. That's not my point, though -- Dodds & Co. can speak for that. I do think I understand their reasoning, however.

 

[Tau837]

Any my point is that he posted this career year at 40. We're talking about 9 months difference here. I recall these SAME arguements after he left the Jets and went to the Vikings. "HE'S 40!!! He was hurt the last 4 games. HE's DONE!" How'd that turn out? ...

I've seen this song and dance before.

Part of my point -- and admittedly something I can't prove or work out logically -- is that 2009 was an unrepeatable fluke season. I don't think it's his true, sustainable level of play at his age. I just don't -- stats be damned.Favre may well play 16 games, but he'll start games where his ability is compromised (see 2008). Tom Brady's false appearances on the IR for "shoulder" are a different thing all together (Belichik playing games with the IR).

I think people forget or underrate how good he has been the past few years:Look at what he did in 2007 at age 38. He had an outstanding season (4155/28/15) and was QB8 using FBG scoring.

In 2008 at age 39, he only finished as QB14, but he was on pace for a good season (3610/27/19) when he got hurt... probably on pace for top 10. And that was with him in a new and different offense for the first time. The Vikings offense was much more similar to what he was used to in Green Bay.

It is fresh in our minds what he did last season at age 40, when he finished as QB3, but many seem to write that off as a fluke. Well, was 2007 a fluke also? Was 2008 before he got hurt a fluke?

As I have already posted a couple of times, IMO anyone projecting him to finish outside the top 10 is off base.

 

[Tau837]

I do realize that some of the FBG-site projections show "14 games" for Favre. That's not my point, though -- Dodds & Co. can speak for that.

 

[Doug B]

I do realize that some of the FBG-site projections show "14 games" for Favre. That's not my point, though -- Dodds & Co. can speak for that.

David Yudkin speaks for his own projection (#18 QB) over in this ongoing thread. That thread was created post-Sidney-Rice injury.EDIT: Jason Wood discusses his projection as well (#12).

 

[cr8f]

From Peter King(I know but is this true?)

Brett Favre: He's already taking injections in his wounded ankle.

After his so-so eight series Saturday night on the hard floor of Mall of America Field (I prefer to call it the Metrodome, because that's what we know it to be), Favre went into the trainers' room in the Vikes' locker room and got an injection of lubricant in the left ankle that has three times been operated on to remove loose bodies. "Like a grease fitting,'' he said.

Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews did the most recent surgery May 22, with an interested party in the operating theater: Deanna Favre. "They took out a cup full of stuff -- bone and all these other loose bodies,'' Brett Favre said Saturday night. "Deanna watched and told me, 'If you don't feel a lot better, I'll be shocked.''

Favre feels better, but not really that good. He explained the arthroscopic procedure that happened in May and what's happened since. He said Dr. Andrews made two incisions on the top of his left ankle, where the ankle flexes above the foot, and sucked out the loose bodies. He said Dr. Andrews wasn't surprised a significant spur returned when Favre went for a re-exam a month ago -- but he was surprised it happened so fast. The Vikings will attempt to manage the pain the spur brings on, but Favre said he didn't think he'd take any painkillers stronger than Motrin.

"It's catching up with me, all this stuff,'' said Favre, who turns 41 in October.

"I asked you this a year ago -- Do you think you can last the season?''' I said to Favre. "And you said you didn't know. How about now?''

"I don't know. I have no idea, really," he answered. "My ankle just seems to get easier to sprain. I know everyone thinks the New Orleans game [the NFC Championship Game] killed me, but it was bad before then. Now we'll see if I can make it. My mind's telling me one thing, but my body's telling me something else.''

I've said this all along: This ankle thing's a little different that the weariness he felt a year ago. There could come a time where his mobility is so compromised that Favre won't be able to get out of the way of the rush consistently. It wouldn't surprise me if the ankle knocked him out for a few games this year.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...l#ixzz0y5dPUYbT

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just preseason, I know and he just got back, but:

He hasn't looked very mobile so far in 2 games, and this past game he had a fumble and 2 INT's. I hope this keeps up another 2 weeks at least.

 

[Gopher State]

I watched the Seattle pre-season game and my observations on Favre

First, the starting center, Sullivan did not play as he is hurt. The Vikings started Herrera a center, the last time Herrera played at center as in a pre-season game in 2005. Herrera did not look good a center(he's only worked at it for two weeks in camp) , and imo made some very poor snaps. At the same time, the Vikings had to start a rookie DeGeare at tackle, which hurt the line. The good news is Sullivan should be back for the opener. The o-line will be much better once everyone plays where they are suppose to play. i.e. Sullivan at center, Herrera at guard.

Favre--Rocket for an arm, I think he threw harder the he did last year. The one int was the WR's fault, watch the replays and it's clear. Another issue was Farve was trying to force the ball to Walker, and that's ok because you have to see if Walker has anything left in the tank. But again, Walker could not hook up with Favre. I though the ankle looked fine, but the o-line didn't give much help to Favre, but again should be improved if everyone makes it back on the o-line.

WR's: Harvin looked great. The story coming out of Minny they think they have his health issues figured out, we see. Camarillo, wow this guy has great hands. Favre hooked up with him four times, Camarillo may become Favre's safety net, I am watching Camarillo in my PPR leagues, he could be a nice sleeper. BB if he doesn't get hurt will have a very nice first half of the season, maybe more depending on Rice.

For being a camp for such a short time, and reshuffle of the o-line, I give Favre a 7 out of 10

The key to Favre is getting the o-line back to where it should be. At this time imo I don't think Favre has lost anything.

 

[smackdaddies]

3975 yards, 29 TDs, 12 Ints

Prior to last year, in 17 seasons his career low for INTs was 13.The 7 he had last year was such a fluke. I can almost guarantee it'll be more than 12. I'm projecting 17.

As a life long packer fan, and still BF supporter (although, yes, I am tired of his schtick), I think coach potatoe is on the ball - almost surely his INT's are going up - at least 15, and 17 is as good of a number as any.Good team, great RB, good wr, decent line - BF is still a top 10 qb. Not as good as last year though.

Based on what has happened to the team so far (Rice out, Harvin hammered by migraines), I am going to change my projection on Favre to 3,500 yards, 25 tds and 15 int. Cam and Walker are not equal replacements.

 

[sho nuff]

3975 yards, 29 TDs, 12 Ints

Prior to last year, in 17 seasons his career low for INTs was 13.The 7 he had last year was such a fluke. I can almost guarantee it'll be more than 12. I'm projecting 17.

As a life long packer fan, and still BF supporter (although, yes, I am tired of his schtick), I think coach potatoe is on the ball - almost surely his INT's are going up - at least 15, and 17 is as good of a number as any.Good team, great RB, good wr, decent line - BF is still a top 10 qb. Not as good as last year though.

Based on what has happened to the team so far (Rice out, Harvin hammered by migraines), I am going to change my projection on Favre to 3,500 yards, 25 tds and 15 int. Cam and Walker are not equal replacements.

Id be fine with that with him as my #2 right now (in 2 leagues).While he looked ok throwing, I don't see the mobility right now. Not that he was that mobile...but the ability they talked about with Manning Thursday night how he can slide around the blitz.

Favre avoids it more with a quick release now than that slide that he used to be able to use more. Maybe it will return.

And yes, having their full line should help...but that line has not been the best pass blocking line for a while now. Without Rice this team will see many more blitzes (especially after watching what NO did to them). Favre will burn some teams on them, but I don't see it slowing up Ds enough while Rice is out.

 

[Tanner9919]

hate to say it but I think he came back strictly for the money...the ankle injury was probably severe enough to keep him retired, but it's hard to leave some $20mil behind..

that being said, I think he has a significant drop in stats from 2009's career numbers..he won't apporach those totals again,especially without Rice and Harvin banged up..

I think you get a mirror image of his stats from 2008 while with the Jets, i.e., 3400/22/22

he's going to revert back to the 'turnover machine' Brett Favre..if you look at recent stats from the past 5 years or so, he's an avg QB with slightly more Tds than INTs..

 

[Tau837]

hate to say it but I think he came back strictly for the money...the ankle injury was probably severe enough to keep him retired, but it's hard to leave some $20mil behind..

that being said, I think he has a significant drop in stats from 2009's career numbers..he won't apporach those totals again,especially without Rice and Harvin banged up..

I think you get a mirror image of his stats from 2008 while with the Jets, i.e., 3400/22/22

he's going to revert back to the 'turnover machine' Brett Favre..if you look at recent stats from the past 5 years or so, he's an avg QB with slightly more Tds than INTs..

LOL at calling his last three seasons "average."

 

[Doug B]

]I've said this all along: This ankle thing's a little different that the weariness he felt a year ago. There could come a time where his mobility is so compromised that Favre won't be able to get out of the way of the rush consistently. It wouldn't surprise me if the ankle knocked him out for a few games this year.

Unpossible, Mr. King -- Favre has ALWAYS started 16 games. Every season, every year. So.