FBG Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)

[plastik]

I'm surprised (and disappointed) that not one of the FBGs has updated their dynasty rankings in the last 15 days. If I set the sorter to display rankings from the last 90 days it displays six sets of rankings, but these are pretty much useless with the developments of the last three weeks. In previous years I've found the rankings helpful in gauging the relative trade value of players in my dynasty leagues. I love the site and all of its features, but as a subscriber (for the last four years) I expect a bit more from FBG in terms of keeping their info current. Anyone else with me on this?

I know keeping rankings current is a lot of work, but perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if, for example, the site had 12 FBG staff members who are assigned to enter their dynasty rankings, but divided into four groups where each group is asked to update their rankings every fourth week. That way there would always be current rankings and users could include other ranking from the previous three weeks if they so choose, while at the same time none of the staff members would be required to update their rankings more than once a month. Thoughts?

 

[footballstar]

From what I understand, most staff do not update dynasty during the season, or they do so very rarely. One of the few disappointing features on FBG.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm surprised (and disappointed) that not one of the FBGs has updated their dynasty rankings in the last 15 days. If I set the sorter to display rankings from the last 90 days it displays six sets of rankings, but these are pretty much useless with the developments of the last three weeks. In previous years I've found the rankings helpful in gauging the relative trade value of players in my dynasty leagues. I love the site and all of its features, but as a subscriber (for the last four years) I expect a bit more from FBG in terms of keeping their info current. Anyone else with me on this?I know keeping rankings current is a lot of work, but perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if, for example, the site had 12 FBG staff members who are assigned to enter their dynasty rankings, but divided into four groups where each group is asked to update their rankings every fourth week. That way there would always be current rankings and users could include other ranking from the previous three weeks if they so choose, while at the same time none of the staff members would be required to update their rankings more than once a month. Thoughts?

That's why we need guys like Go Deep (as long as he stays active). His rankings are better than the FBG staff anyways.

 

[Casting Couch]

From what I understand, most staff do not update dynasty during the season, or they do so very rarely. One of the few disappointing features on FBG.

Huge disappointment. The main reason I bought into the subscription was to get a grasp on in-season dynasty value for trading purposes. Makes no sense.

 

[NorrisB]

You mind as well not subscribe to FBG if you play in dynasty leagues. Bloom gives out his rookie top 100 for free and the dynasty rankings are about as up to date as they'll ever be during the "sneak peak" which is plenty of time imo, they're not updated after that date anyway. There's a thread about this every year, and it usually "shames" one of them into updating their rankings for a week.

 

[Casting Couch]

You mind as well not subscribe to FBG if you play in dynasty leagues. Bloom gives out his rookie top 100 for free and the dynasty rankings are about as up to date as they'll ever be during the "sneak peak" which is plenty of time imo, they're not updated after that date anyway

I understand this.Point is, dynasty valuation fluctuates wildly during the course of the season. It would be beneficial if subscribers had staff rankings as ammo for trading purposes as the season progresses. That's all.

 

[Concept Coop]

Disappointing indeed. Also disappointing - the rankings available are all non-PPR, for FBG and the others.

Fear & Loathing updates regularly, but it is a pay service.

 

[NorrisB]

You mind as well not subscribe to FBG if you play in dynasty leagues. Bloom gives out his rookie top 100 for free and the dynasty rankings are about as up to date as they'll ever be during the "sneak peak" which is plenty of time imo, they're not updated after that date anyway

I understand this.Point is, dynasty valuation fluctuates wildly during the course of the season. It would be beneficial if subscribers had staff rankings as ammo for trading purposes as the season progresses. That's all.

Yeah you'd think they would have at least one person update their rankings every week but apparently not

 

[Concept Coop]

Yeah you'd think they would have at least one person update their rankings every week but apparently not

I think FBG is missing a big opportunity here. Dynasty leagues are growing rapidly, as are keeper leagues. FBG is one of the very few resources around, compared to the number of re-draft sites. Having said that, during the season, when interest is at it's highest, the resources are dry. The forum is dominated by redraft topics, the rankings go unattended, the "Buy Low/Sell High" articles - while appreciated and useful - are relatively shallow. I understand that redraft is the money maker, right now, but FBG is still a relatively small shark in a vast ocean. While dynasty is a small pool now, I think establishing itself as the fish, as the need for dynasty resources grows, would be wise for FBG. As an almost exclusively dynasty owner, they haven't done that.

 

[matttyl]

Yeah you'd think they would have at least one person update their rankings every week but apparently not

I think FBG is missing a big opportunity here. Dynasty leagues are growing rapidly, as are keeper leagues. FBG is one of the very few resources around, compared to the number of re-draft sites. Having said that, during the season, when interest is at it's highest, the resources are dry. The forum is dominated by redraft topics, the rankings go unattended, the "Buy Low/Sell High" articles - while appreciated and useful - are relatively shallow. I understand that redraft is the money maker, right now, but FBG is still a relatively small shark in a vast ocean. While dynasty is a small pool now, I think establishing itself as the fish, as the need for dynasty resources grows, would be wise for FBG. As an almost exclusively dynasty owner, they haven't done that.

I guess I had assumed that FBG would have updated dynasty rankings in their pay service (which I do not have but have considered for that sole reason). That's disappointing to hear.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Yeah you'd think they would have at least one person update their rankings every week but apparently not

I think FBG is missing a big opportunity here. Dynasty leagues are growing rapidly, as are keeper leagues. FBG is one of the very few resources around, compared to the number of re-draft sites. Having said that, during the season, when interest is at it's highest, the resources are dry. The forum is dominated by redraft topics, the rankings go unattended, the "Buy Low/Sell High" articles - while appreciated and useful - are relatively shallow. I understand that redraft is the money maker, right now, but FBG is still a relatively small shark in a vast ocean. While dynasty is a small pool now, I think establishing itself as the fish, as the need for dynasty resources grows, would be wise for FBG. As an almost exclusively dynasty owner, they haven't done that.

This was the popular perception. But I remember FBG mgmt saying that their membership is highly skewed towards redraft. Seems likely that the dynasty % of the total pie stays the same or possibly decreases, just because there is always a large number of new redraft hobbyists every year.Doesn't justify ignoring the dynasty segment, but they probably figure that dynasty owners are more hardcore and thus less likely to cancel subscription.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'll update them when I get time... it's tough right now because I take care of my 20 mo old son at home too and all the weekly content takes precedence - downtime is at a premium. I answer dozens of dynasty trade/value email questions on twitter/email, so it isn't like I'm not making myself available to y'all. Also if you read buy low/sell high or listen to the audible there is a ton of dynasty takes in there.

 

[Kevrunner]

I'll update them when I get time... it's tough right now because I take care of my 20 mo old son at home too and all the weekly content takes precedence - downtime is at a premium. I answer dozens of dynasty trade/value email questions on twitter/email, so it isn't like I'm not making myself available to y'all. Also if you read buy low/sell high or listen to the audible there is a ton of dynasty takes in there.

Listening to the audible (eventhough it is free) is one of the best features of footballguys for me. I have probably heard every podcasts for the past 4 years from you guys, thanks

 

[jwb]

In all fairness to the staff, I'm not sure dynasty rankings are really subject to massive weekly jumps (etc). Yes, drop Charles some, and perhaps bump D Moore and E Decker a little.

I would be pretty comfortable with maybe three in-season updates - after 4 or 5 games, after 10 games, and season's end.

 

[Donsmith753]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

 

[squistion]

From what I understand, most staff do not update dynasty during the season, or they do so very rarely. One of the few disappointing features on FBG.

Huge disappointment. The main reason I bought into the subscription was to get a grasp on in-season dynasty value for trading purposes. Makes no sense.

It won't take the place of rankings, but one thing that might help is the in-season dynasty trade thread. Lot of odd trades but it can give you a general ballpark value of many players.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=608685

 

[Uncle Buck]

this is the first year I signed up for footballguys subscriptions and I have to say I dont think I will be returning next year. The info while decent for re-draft is rather shotty for dynasty leagues, which is what I care about. I think if you guys had at least one staff member that just specialized for dynasty leagues only(sort of like how jene specializes for IDP leagues) your package would be more diverse and worth the payment.

 

[mr roboto]

Agree the dedicated content would be nice.

That being said, if you are serious about dynasty and don't read the RSP by Waldman you are missing out big time.

Also, the Audible and the SP are my secret weapons. Between those 3 resources, I find out about talent, sleepers, etc. enough to have the reputation for the best drafter and WW pickups in my league. I just really suck at trading.

 

[moderated]

In all fairness to the staff, I'm not sure dynasty rankings are really subject to massive weekly jumps (etc). Yes, drop Charles some, and perhaps bump D Moore and E Decker a little. I would be pretty comfortable with maybe three in-season updates - after 4 or 5 games, after 10 games, and season's end.

every few weeks would be good. There should definitely have been some updates by now as dynasty values change quite a bit on some players now that we're a few games in.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life. infinite angles. weekly projections much more finite.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

this is the first year I signed up for footballguys subscriptions and I have to say I dont think I will be returning next year. The info while decent for re-draft is rather shotty for dynasty leagues, which is what I care about. I think if you guys had at least one staff member that just specialized for dynasty leagues only(sort of like how jene specializes for IDP leagues) your package would be more diverse and worth the payment.

I know Jeff Tefertiller does a lot of dynasty content. Next year when my son starts pre-school, I'll definitely ramp up the dynasty angle in my work.

 

[Donsmith753]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life. infinite angles. weekly projections much more finite.

Ah I'm surprised by that. I thought that once you had a set it would only be occasional tweaks and therefore take less time than re-doing each week based on matchups etc.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life. infinite angles. weekly projections much more finite.

This might be the understatement of the year.To say that they take a while is completely underestimating things.All that said, I've updated mine. Keep in mind they are non-PPR.Please let me know if I messed something majorly up (different than saying "why is Dez Bryant WRxx" - I'm wondering if entering 250+ players and more - sometimes I make a name / entry mistake.Enjoy.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=ov&type=dynasty&howrecent=7

 

[Dez]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life. infinite angles. weekly projections much more finite.

This might be the understatement of the year.To say that they take a while is completely underestimating things.All that said, I've updated mine. Keep in mind they are non-PPR.Please let me know if I messed something majorly up (different than saying "why is Dez Bryant WRxx" - I'm wondering if entering 250+ players and more - sometimes I make a name / entry mistake.Enjoy.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=ov&type=dynasty&howrecent=7

We need PPR dynasty rankings. I have not looked at this and really I think most magazines miss big time on dynasty rankings.I have yet to see any magazine put in the ultimate thoughts into dyansty rankings.They are all over the place and rookies are rated always too low in most cases.

 

[dickey moe]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life. infinite angles. weekly projections much more finite.

This might be the understatement of the year.

To say that they take a while is completely underestimating things.

All that said, I've updated mine. Keep in mind they are non-PPR.

Why in Earth, why does FBG not also provide PPR dynasty rankings?

 

[Topes]

The lack of in-season dynasty ranking used to bug me.

Over time, I realized I can't trust anybody else's dynasty rankings. They're all useless.

It's hard enough predicting performance a week or two out, let alone for a few years.

Plus, while non-scoring variables can affect players' values in redraft, I think they are even more affected in dynasty leagues. Maximum and minimum depths of a given dynasty league have more effect on values within that league than in-season roster depth does in redraft. The maximum and minimum depth of a given dynasty league do not affect all player valuations equally. It ain't random, but it's not a curve, neither.

Each of us is capable of making our own gut-based evaluations (rankings) of players for dynasty purposes; and those would be just about as good as the FBGs'.

 

[Dez]

Ok why would S-Jackson be ranked #12 ? Dude is 28 with a to of carries on him.

I look at rankings for dynasty this week. If I was drafting a team right now who do I take ?

Would I grab 28 year old declining S-Jackson or an upside young RB ?

In a start up draft S-Jackson would not be the 12th RB off the board he only has a 2-3 year shelf life left at RB 2 production at best maybe less.

So many carries logged in his career so far.

#18 M-Turner dude is 29 and already slowing to a hault. I can't see it.

Charles at 22 ? I know he had an ACL tear but dude is young. If I was in a start up draft you are saying he goes in round 5 ? That is where the 22nd RB would go about.

I don't like M-Drew at #4 his knees worry me way too much for dynanty RB 4 I am pretty sure I take McCoy and McFadden who are both younger and not going with bone on bone on their knee.

#6 AJ Green wow that is shocking love this talent but he is rated over young proven WR's that are in better situations.

Colston at #21 ? This guy is so brittle and will be out of the leauge in 2-3 years become of muliple injuries. I have him in 2 dynasty leagues and I can't trade him for anythnig of value.

No one wants him at all. I would take several WR's you have ranked below him straight up.

Kenny Britt at 27 ? I would take him over Colston by far. Yes ACL injury but he would have been top 5 without the injury. Seems kind of harsh to rank him so low. I am not taking 30 year old Lloyd over him or Colston or Boldin just to name a few.

Gates #4 TE ? Now that one is a complete shocker I have Gates in 2 dynasty leagues no one will give anything at all for him.

Why is Gates ranked so high ? You honestly would rather have Gates 31 years old and injured with a possible career ending injury over guys like Gronk and Graham ?

That is insane.

 

[moderated]

Cam newton at 20th qb???

Some of the guys ranked above him are laughable.

 

[crnerblitz]

I agree that FBG could provide a lot more in season dynasty information. Rankings should be provided even if only for reference to one scoring format. There is no doubt they are missing the boat on dynasty.

Lets not get into being overly critical of a staff members rankings when they do put them up. Complain they dont have any and then complain about how they value players. Jeebus you can't have it both ways. Sure I think that Stevie Johnson is slightly higher than WR#72 in any dynasty format you could choose, but that is how I value him and that is different from the staff.

I always come back to the basics on ranking players. When I start to assign value to a player I consider where I would take them in a startup dynasty draft that started that day. Where would I draft Stevie Johnson right now in a start up dynasty league? I would probably pick him in the end of the 4th to mid 5th round. Then consider players you would draft behind him and players you would draft in front of him.

All I'm saying is you don't have to have a list of how someone else values players in order to determine your own value system.

 

[mr roboto]

Topes gets things.

 

[renesauz]

The lack of in-season dynasty ranking used to bug me.Over time, I realized I can't trust anybody else's dynasty rankings. They're all useless.It's hard enough predicting performance a week or two out, let alone for a few years.Plus, while non-scoring variables can affect players' values in redraft, I think they are even more affected in dynasty leagues. Maximum and minimum depths of a given dynasty league have more effect on values within that league than in-season roster depth does in redraft. The maximum and minimum depth of a given dynasty league do not affect all player valuations equally. It ain't random, but it's not a curve, neither. Each of us is capable of making our own gut-based evaluations (rankings) of players for dynasty purposes; and those would be just about as good as the FBGs'.

Actually that deserves another After the top few tiers, dynasty values fluctuate more based on league rules than redraft rankings do. Rookies have more value in deeper leagues than in shallow leagues where there's no roster space to stash a non-producer for 2 or 3 years. In some leagues, there's a (NFL) starting QB or two on the wire and QB's are generally worthless, and there's others where QB's are gold, and you can't buy one for a left nut. Dynasty rankings in season might be nice, but after the top 20 or so at most positions, they aren't all that helpful anyway. The redraft rankings are almost as useful in season.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life.

This is the main reason they aren't done more in-season. They are extremely time intensive unless you just slap them together and I don't think that is the right thing to do. Also, our weekly articles are top priority. I usually try to update my IDP dynasty after week 4 and offense after week 5, but that is something I can't guarantee and it doesn't always work out. I am hopeful of getting it done this year and should barring something unforeseen. Last year I think it took me until week 8 or 9 to get them up. I hate to make this sound like an excuse, but time is extremely limited for me. I am a full time college student with a very busy and demanding schedule of classes, not to mention other obligations. I am lucky to get my articles done during the year.

 

[Casting Couch]

I would think most staffers would generate their rankings based on previous rankings. Not totally from scratch.

I don't see it as a ton of invested time especially seeing the amount of effort put into other in-season subscriber content.

Thanks Jeff for posting your in-season dynasty rankings. I think it's imperative for FBG to have this option as many dynasty trades go down during the season and having this as a reference point is important, and much appreciated.

 

[Concept Coop]

Each of us is capable of making our own gut-based evaluations (rankings) of players for dynasty purposes; and those would be just about as good as the FBGs'.

If I had Daniels sitting on my bench, I would be actively looking to deal Finley. With AJ potentially missed some time, Daniels is the biggest weapon the Texans have at the receiver positions. Finley has always been overrated - GB has too many mouths to feed and he hasn't been able to stay healthy.

 

[werdnoynek]

Ok why would S-Jackson be ranked #12 ? Dude is 28 with a to of carries on him.I look at rankings for dynasty this week. If I was drafting a team right now who do I take ?Would I grab 28 year old declining S-Jackson or an upside young RB ?In a start up draft S-Jackson would not be the 12th RB off the board he only has a 2-3 year shelf life left at RB 2 production at best maybe less.So many carries logged in his career so far.#18 M-Turner dude is 29 and already slowing to a hault. I can't see it.Charles at 22 ? I know he had an ACL tear but dude is young. If I was in a start up draft you are saying he goes in round 5 ? That is where the 22nd RB would go about.I don't like M-Drew at #4 his knees worry me way too much for dynanty RB 4 I am pretty sure I take McCoy and McFadden who are both younger and not going with bone on bone on their knee.#6 AJ Green wow that is shocking love this talent but he is rated over young proven WR's that are in better situations.Colston at #21 ? This guy is so brittle and will be out of the leauge in 2-3 years become of muliple injuries. I have him in 2 dynasty leagues and I can't trade him for anythnig of value.No one wants him at all. I would take several WR's you have ranked below him straight up.Kenny Britt at 27 ? I would take him over Colston by far. Yes ACL injury but he would have been top 5 without the injury. Seems kind of harsh to rank him so low. I am not taking 30 year old Lloyd over him or Colston or Boldin just to name a few.Gates #4 TE ? Now that one is a complete shocker I have Gates in 2 dynasty leagues no one will give anything at all for him.Why is Gates ranked so high ? You honestly would rather have Gates 31 years old and injured with a possible career ending injury over guys like Gronk and Graham ?That is insane.

so you're asking for rankings, yet when someone provides them you pick them apart... interesting.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life.

This is the main reason they aren't done more in-season. They are extremely time intensive unless you just slap them together and I don't think that is the right thing to do. Also, our weekly articles are top priority. I usually try to update my IDP dynasty after week 4 and offense after week 5, but that is something I can't guarantee and it doesn't always work out. I am hopeful of getting it done this year and should barring something unforeseen. Last year I think it took me until week 8 or 9 to get them up. I hate to make this sound like an excuse, but time is extremely limited for me. I am a full time college student with a very busy and demanding schedule of classes, not to mention other obligations. I am lucky to get my articles done during the year.

I know it's not your call to make but there are way too many weekly articles. Maybe it's just me but there is so much that it just becomes noise at some point. Do you guys have a way of telling which articles are read the most and least? Maybe do a poll at the end of the season and trim the stuff the subscribers don't care about. And then re-allocate those resources towards more dynasty content.

 

[Alwazefun]

Sig, as a general point do you find dynasty rankings take more or less time to put together than weekly redraft?

oh geez, doing dynasty rankings is a rabbit hole that can cause days to disappear from your life.

This is the main reason they aren't done more in-season. They are extremely time intensive unless you just slap them together and I don't think that is the right thing to do. Also, our weekly articles are top priority. I usually try to update my IDP dynasty after week 4 and offense after week 5, but that is something I can't guarantee and it doesn't always work out. I am hopeful of getting it done this year and should barring something unforeseen. Last year I think it took me until week 8 or 9 to get them up. I hate to make this sound like an excuse, but time is extremely limited for me. I am a full time college student with a very busy and demanding schedule of classes, not to mention other obligations. I am lucky to get my articles done during the year.

I know it's not your call to make but there are way too many weekly articles. Maybe it's just me but there is so much that it just becomes noise at some point. Do you guys have a way of telling which articles are read the most and least? Maybe do a poll at the end of the season and trim the stuff the subscribers don't care about. And then re-allocate those resources towards more dynasty content.

+1 Many of the weekly articles I don't even read ... dynasty rankings that are updated frequently and reflect emerging/declining players would be FAR more useful then some of the weekly content.

 

[DoubleG]

The lack of in-season dynasty ranking used to bug me.

Over time, I realized I can't trust anybody else's dynasty rankings. They're all useless.

It's hard enough predicting performance a week or two out, let alone for a few years.

Plus, while non-scoring variables can affect players' values in redraft, I think they are even more affected in dynasty leagues. Maximum and minimum depths of a given dynasty league have more effect on values within that league than in-season roster depth does in redraft. The maximum and minimum depth of a given dynasty league do not affect all player valuations equally. It ain't random, but it's not a curve, neither.

Each of us is capable of making our own gut-based evaluations (rankings) of players for dynasty purposes; and those would be just about as good as the FBGs'.

All of that - and then people wonder why FBG can't post them for standard and PPR. I'd rather have rankings that have some thought put into them, that may actually be somewhat valid, then have them "updated" on a regular basis with very little process put in - you'd just end up with reactionary rankings. As an example where would T. Smith have jumped to last week? And down to where this week?

IMHO, it takes several weeks (at least) to see and verify any long-term meaningful trends that would (should?) affect long term rankings. As another example, in many dynasty ranks Chris Wells is RB16-22 - it will likely move up - but only if he continues to stay healthy and average 90+ and a score. If he gets dinged up, or production slips, then he would probabaly be at about RB16-22.

 

[This could be the year]

My problem with dynasty rankings is that (regardless of whether they're PPR or not) you have no idea how far out they go. Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc?

As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it's insane to try to place value on players going forward because of the numerous events (injuries, suspensions, contract issues) that can affect their value. You might have a shot at predicting a players value for the upcoming year or two, but I think there need to be stipulations. e.g., he stays healthy, doesn't get traded, etc.

I think you guys that are asking for dynasty rankings are asking for the impossible. If you've been in Dynasty FF for any length of time, you have to realize how a players value can rise or fall in a heart beat. I also agree with the poster that said YOU are the best judge of a players dynasty value, because only YOU can define the word DYNASTY as it applies to your needs.

 

[Donsmith753]

My problem with dynasty rankings is that (regardless of whether they're PPR or not) you have no idea how far out they go. Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc? As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it's insane to try to place value on players going forward because of the numerous events (injuries, suspensions, contract issues) that can affect their value. You might have a shot at predicting a players value for the upcoming year or two, but I think there need to be stipulations. e.g., he stays healthy, doesn't get traded, etc.I think you guys that are asking for dynasty rankings are asking for the impossible. If you've been in Dynasty FF for any length of time, you have to realize how a players value can rise or fall in a heart beat. I also agree with the poster that said YOU are the best judge of a players dynasty value, because only YOU can define the word DYNASTY as it applies to your needs.

Maybe it would be better to have talent rankings then. So ignoring EVERY other factor I'd be curious to see what 'the experts' think on a purely talent basis.

 

[This could be the year]

My problem with dynasty rankings is that (regardless of whether they're PPR or not) you have no idea how far out they go. Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc? As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it's insane to try to place value on players going forward because of the numerous events (injuries, suspensions, contract issues) that can affect their value. You might have a shot at predicting a players value for the upcoming year or two, but I think there need to be stipulations. e.g., he stays healthy, doesn't get traded, etc.I think you guys that are asking for dynasty rankings are asking for the impossible. If you've been in Dynasty FF for any length of time, you have to realize how a players value can rise or fall in a heart beat. I also agree with the poster that said YOU are the best judge of a players dynasty value, because only YOU can define the word DYNASTY as it applies to your needs.

Maybe it would be better to have talent rankings then. So ignoring EVERY other factor I'd be curious to see what 'the experts' think on a purely talent basis.

Talent, IMHO, is also a nebulous term. There are lots of players with talent in bad situations because of who is ahead of them on their respective rosters. I think once you get into the season, week to week projections is the best you can do. Future value is in the eye of the beholder. For those of you guys that would like to see dynasty ranking because you feel it would help you when it comes to a trade, all I can say is that you're looking for someone elses judgement so you can say "look at the dynasty rankings on FBG". XXX is work a lot more than you're offering me. I really feel that when it comes to dynasty rankings and value, each owner sets their own and FBG is doing the right thing.

 

[Crazy Tony]

My problem with dynasty rankings is that (regardless of whether they're PPR or not) you have no idea how far out they go. Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc? As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it's insane to try to place value on players going forward because of the numerous events (injuries, suspensions, contract issues) that can affect their value. You might have a shot at predicting a players value for the upcoming year or two, but I think there need to be stipulations. e.g., he stays healthy, doesn't get traded, etc.I think you guys that are asking for dynasty rankings are asking for the impossible. If you've been in Dynasty FF for any length of time, you have to realize how a players value can rise or fall in a heart beat. I also agree with the poster that said YOU are the best judge of a players dynasty value, because only YOU can define the word DYNASTY as it applies to your needs.

Maybe it would be better to have talent rankings then. So ignoring EVERY other factor I'd be curious to see what 'the experts' think on a purely talent basis.

WHAT IF DYNASTY OWNERS RANKED PLAYERS BY VOTING? STAFF Is BUSY. GIVE US A LIST OF PLAYERS. LET US RANK THEM. Give us CRITERIA to rank them on. Pretty much click on player..select a score in each category. Don't limit list of players to top 100 or anything full list. Players not rated, suck generally. Give us a VARIABLE factor also that can be a negative or positive and a comment limited 1 sentence. (DJAX production is bipolar!) Player you'd be willing to trade this player for straight up: Same Position, Other Position.Rankings and projections are never accurate anyway. Your primary guideline is PPR/nonPPR Cheatsheet.Allow us to create a Cheatsheet with perspective on how we might better apply it to our own league settings. This gives purpose to the weekly articles being produced.WE Indicate if we are ranking PPR or Non-PPR all voting is DYNASTY.Grade Players on Variety of categories: they can be weighted differentlySituation/Talent/Opportunity most important.Value relative to various Time frames: Value: This Week, Bye Weeks, Week to Week, ALL Season: Is player an Every week starter? Top 5/Top10/Top20/Top50/Desperation play/ScrewedNext Season will value be (higher, Lower, Same)Ceiling:/Floor:Talent/Technique/Offense/Situation/Mental Toughness/Injury Concern/Talent/Technique: Speed/size/arm/power/hands/Situation (OFF/Team/Targets/Touches/Redzone priority/..OL/blocking pass protect...RBBC factor/Coach factor)epth: Rank at Position and in OFF: #1WR in CHI is the #2 receiver on team to FORTE. Witten could be top WR in DAL.Mental Toughness: Getting suspended, stupid #### that will make player miss time/games (Baldwin fights Jones, Benson DUI,)What to watch for: Help/Hurt: Alex Smith not turning it over. Targeting VDavis more. Jets Injury to OLine..etc. Long Term Value: Example of Ranked PlayerPRForte RB/CHITalent: 87 (not most talented RB but solid, consistent, great hands, proven)Situation: 85 O-Line?Depth on TEAM: #1 OFF, #1RB, #1Rec. Competition for carries: <25%Variable: More PPR than Rushing. Solid RB. Please don't get hurt.Value: Projects:Top 5 RB this weekPlaying as: Weekly starter (vs Lower rank/better matchup RB on Roster) (Bye Week Fill-in) (Backup due to injury) (My team is screwed) (Sleeper sneaky gamble pick) (Stubborn and just believe in him). (Homer fan). (just Guessed)Next Few weeks Value: Same (vs Higher, Lower, Same)All Season: Top 10 RB PPRCeiling: Top 5Floor: Top 15. Next Season: Higher (get some OLine Help)Player I'd accept a trade for Forte straight up for: if offeredQB: StaffordRB: L. McCoyWR: Calvin JohnsonTE: NoneDraft Picks Next Year: None:What to watchout for: Each year CHI brings someone in to 'steal carries' from Forte and they don't. Barber, Taylor. If they start running the ball better look out. Could be huge. Culter gets hurt due to sacks might hurt production.This data could be scored and calculated into a ranking system. Owners could start by grading their own players on their own dynasty rosters. You could have other polls like:Top Player I'd Pick up if I had free roster spot.Player I'd pick up if it meant dropping player. Player I don't think anyone knows about but should.Players I I don't like. This is different than subscriber contest because it's not limited to a few selections. Just requires participation among owners. FBGs can update the data every Tuesday or every time (250?) rankings are submitted so we're drawing from a large sample.Using this type of valuation system allows owners to look at certain people. Being able to Sort some of the options would be vital...kind of like Targets... You could find trends that allow you manipulate the data and find sleepers in your league.

 

[This could be the year]

My problem with dynasty rankings is that (regardless of whether they're PPR or not) you have no idea how far out they go. Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc? As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it's insane to try to place value on players going forward because of the numerous events (injuries, suspensions, contract issues) that can affect their value. You might have a shot at predicting a players value for the upcoming year or two, but I think there need to be stipulations. e.g., he stays healthy, doesn't get traded, etc.I think you guys that are asking for dynasty rankings are asking for the impossible. If you've been in Dynasty FF for any length of time, you have to realize how a players value can rise or fall in a heart beat. I also agree with the poster that said YOU are the best judge of a players dynasty value, because only YOU can define the word DYNASTY as it applies to your needs.

Maybe it would be better to have talent rankings then. So ignoring EVERY other factor I'd be curious to see what 'the experts' think on a purely talent basis.

WHAT IF DYNASTY OWNERS RANKED PLAYERS BY VOTING? STAFF Is BUSY. GIVE US A LIST OF PLAYERS. LET US RANK THEM. Give us CRITERIA to rank them on. Pretty much click on player..select a score in each category. Don't limit list of players to top 100 or anything full list. Players not rated, suck generally. Give us a VARIABLE factor also that can be a negative or positive and a comment limited 1 sentence. (DJAX production is bipolar!) Player you'd be willing to trade this player for straight up: Same Position, Other Position.Rankings and projections are never accurate anyway. Your primary guideline is PPR/nonPPR Cheatsheet.Allow us to create a Cheatsheet with perspective on how we might better apply it to our own league settings. This gives purpose to the weekly articles being produced.WE Indicate if we are ranking PPR or Non-PPR all voting is DYNASTY.Grade Players on Variety of categories: they can be weighted differentlySituation/Talent/Opportunity most important.Value relative to various Time frames: Value: This Week, Bye Weeks, Week to Week, ALL Season: Is player an Every week starter? Top 5/Top10/Top20/Top50/Desperation play/ScrewedNext Season will value be (higher, Lower, Same)Ceiling:/Floor:Talent/Technique/Offense/Situation/Mental Toughness/Injury Concern/Talent/Technique: Speed/size/arm/power/hands/Situation (OFF/Team/Targets/Touches/Redzone priority/..OL/blocking pass protect...RBBC factor/Coach factor)epth: Rank at Position and in OFF: #1WR in CHI is the #2 receiver on team to FORTE. Witten could be top WR in DAL.Mental Toughness: Getting suspended, stupid #### that will make player miss time/games (Baldwin fights Jones, Benson DUI,)What to watch for: Help/Hurt: Alex Smith not turning it over. Targeting VDavis more. Jets Injury to OLine..etc. Long Term Value: Example of Ranked PlayerPRForte RB/CHITalent: 87 (not most talented RB but solid, consistent, great hands, proven)Situation: 85 O-Line?Depth on TEAM: #1 OFF, #1RB, #1Rec. Competition for carries: <25%Variable: More PPR than Rushing. Solid RB. Please don't get hurt.Value: Projects:Top 5 RB this weekPlaying as: Weekly starter (vs Lower rank/better matchup RB on Roster) (Bye Week Fill-in) (Backup due to injury) (My team is screwed) (Sleeper sneaky gamble pick) (Stubborn and just believe in him). (Homer fan). (just Guessed)Next Few weeks Value: Same (vs Higher, Lower, Same)All Season: Top 10 RB PPRCeiling: Top 5Floor: Top 15. Next Season: Higher (get some OLine Help)Player I'd accept a trade for Forte straight up for: if offeredQB: StaffordRB: L. McCoyWR: Calvin JohnsonTE: NoneDraft Picks Next Year: None:What to watchout for: Each year CHI brings someone in to 'steal carries' from Forte and they don't. Barber, Taylor. If they start running the ball better look out. Could be huge. Culter gets hurt due to sacks might hurt production.This data could be scored and calculated into a ranking system. Owners could start by grading their own players on their own dynasty rosters. You could have other polls like:Top Player I'd Pick up if I had free roster spot.Player I'd pick up if it meant dropping player. Player I don't think anyone knows about but should.Players I I don't like. This is different than subscriber contest because it's not limited to a few selections. Just requires participation among owners. FBGs can update the data every Tuesday or every time (250?) rankings are submitted so we're drawing from a large sample.Using this type of valuation system allows owners to look at certain people. Being able to Sort some of the options would be vital...kind of like Targets... You could find trends that allow you manipulate the data and find sleepers in your league.

Interesting concept, however it's missing one key ingredient, the scoring system for your particular league. That's why I like MyFBG. It takes that into account. Grant it's just for the upcoming week, but I find that more valuable than anything else I've found on the web.

 

[Crazy Tony]

My problem with dynasty rankings is that (regardless of whether they're PPR or not) you have no idea how far out they go. Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc? As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it's insane to try to place value on players going forward because of the numerous events (injuries, suspensions, contract issues) that can affect their value. You might have a shot at predicting a players value for the upcoming year or two, but I think there need to be stipulations. e.g., he stays healthy, doesn't get traded, etc.I think you guys that are asking for dynasty rankings are asking for the impossible. If you've been in Dynasty FF for any length of time, you have to realize how a players value can rise or fall in a heart beat. I also agree with the poster that said YOU are the best judge of a players dynasty value, because only YOU can define the word DYNASTY as it applies to your needs.

Maybe it would be better to have talent rankings then. So ignoring EVERY other factor I'd be curious to see what 'the experts' think on a purely talent basis.

WHAT IF DYNASTY OWNERS RANKED PLAYERS BY VOTING? STAFF Is BUSY. GIVE US A LIST OF PLAYERS. LET US RANK THEM. Give us CRITERIA to rank them on. Pretty much click on player..select a score in each category. Don't limit list of players to top 100 or anything full list. Players not rated, suck generally. Give us a VARIABLE factor also that can be a negative or positive and a comment limited 1 sentence. (DJAX production is bipolar!) Player you'd be willing to trade this player for straight up: Same Position, Other Position.Rankings and projections are never accurate anyway. Your primary guideline is PPR/nonPPR Cheatsheet.Allow us to create a Cheatsheet with perspective on how we might better apply it to our own league settings. This gives purpose to the weekly articles being produced.WE Indicate if we are ranking PPR or Non-PPR all voting is DYNASTY.Grade Players on Variety of categories: they can be weighted differentlySituation/Talent/Opportunity most important.Value relative to various Time frames: Value: This Week, Bye Weeks, Week to Week, ALL Season: Is player an Every week starter? Top 5/Top10/Top20/Top50/Desperation play/ScrewedNext Season will value be (higher, Lower, Same)Ceiling:/Floor:Talent/Technique/Offense/Situation/Mental Toughness/Injury Concern/Talent/Technique: Speed/size/arm/power/hands/Situation (OFF/Team/Targets/Touches/Redzone priority/..OL/blocking pass protect...RBBC factor/Coach factor)epth: Rank at Position and in OFF: #1WR in CHI is the #2 receiver on team to FORTE. Witten could be top WR in DAL.Mental Toughness: Getting suspended, stupid #### that will make player miss time/games (Baldwin fights Jones, Benson DUI,)What to watch for: Help/Hurt: Alex Smith not turning it over. Targeting VDavis more. Jets Injury to OLine..etc. Long Term Value: Example of Ranked PlayerPRForte RB/CHITalent: 87 (not most talented RB but solid, consistent, great hands, proven)Situation: 85 O-Line?Depth on TEAM: #1 OFF, #1RB, #1Rec. Competition for carries: <25%Variable: More PPR than Rushing. Solid RB. Please don't get hurt.Value: Projects:Top 5 RB this weekPlaying as: Weekly starter (vs Lower rank/better matchup RB on Roster) (Bye Week Fill-in) (Backup due to injury) (My team is screwed) (Sleeper sneaky gamble pick) (Stubborn and just believe in him). (Homer fan). (just Guessed)Next Few weeks Value: Same (vs Higher, Lower, Same)All Season: Top 10 RB PPRCeiling: Top 5Floor: Top 15. Next Season: Higher (get some OLine Help)Player I'd accept a trade for Forte straight up for: if offeredQB: StaffordRB: L. McCoyWR: Calvin JohnsonTE: NoneDraft Picks Next Year: None:What to watchout for: Each year CHI brings someone in to 'steal carries' from Forte and they don't. Barber, Taylor. If they start running the ball better look out. Could be huge. Culter gets hurt due to sacks might hurt production.This data could be scored and calculated into a ranking system. Owners could start by grading their own players on their own dynasty rosters. You could have other polls like:Top Player I'd Pick up if I had free roster spot.Player I'd pick up if it meant dropping player. Player I don't think anyone knows about but should.Players I I don't like. This is different than subscriber contest because it's not limited to a few selections. Just requires participation among owners. FBGs can update the data every Tuesday or every time (250?) rankings are submitted so we're drawing from a large sample.Using this type of valuation system allows owners to look at certain people. Being able to Sort some of the options would be vital...kind of like Targets... You could find trends that allow you manipulate the data and find sleepers in your league.

Interesting concept, however it's missing one key ingredient, the scoring system for your particular league. That's why I like MyFBG. It takes that into account. Grant it's just for the upcoming week, but I find that more valuable than anything else I've found on the web.

Perhaps 1-2 basic scoring models but no more. The purpose of the OTHER/Variable Rank would be to boost or lower your ranking by a few points because your rules are different...OR perhaps that's a search criteria. But "Variable Boost" factor of 5 out of 5 b/c Harvin KR and you get KR points would be indicated in Comments. That you'd be able to search or see associated w/ player.

 

[hostile]

Tefertiller updates every week in the paid content. Not a full listing, but good enough for some weekly thoughts.

Pasquino offers lots of help in the AC Forum in a dedicated thread.

Waldman is available on Twitter and PM here.

As mentioned, FnL's rankings are paid for on another site, updated weekly, and are an aggregate, but still worth it.

If you agree with Go Deep, his rankings are available for free and he keeps them up.

SSOG's rankings are freely available on another site, along with his partner's. SSOG's ranking are update less frequently, but overall, another measuring stick to use.

There are other good sites which give rankings based on whether or not you are a contender or a rebuild. A guy like SJax or Turner could be *very* valuable to a contending team, but near useless to a rebuilder....

As mentioned above, if you're on the dynasty train and arent just blindly riding in the caboose, you should know where people are ranked. Simple as that. If you read all of the content out there available, there is an average consensus which you can aggregate yourself.

In-seaon updates are more for gauging how high or low a player is rising or falling in the lower tiers, imo. Again, as mentioned above, the top tiers pretty much stay the same, but its tough to know how guys like Denarius Moore, as an example, are being valued which can be a struggle if you're looking to buy or sell a guy like that. Sigmund is good about answering quick questions on Twitter, so hit him up there. FnL is tougher to get a hold of - I sent him an email asking him about Demaryius Thomas and why he is ranked where he is in FnL's rankings, but didnt get anything back. I wasnt criticizing like some people above here, but rather trying to get a handle on his perspective so I can adjust my rosters with Thomas accordingly.

As I said though, in-season rankings would really be of use only for the guys in the lower tiers, but, if you're really being that anal about why Eric Decker is ranked within two spots of Jordy Nelson in arbitrary Tier 7 and you think there is no way in hell that should be, then you're completely missing point.

 

[Crazy Tony]

You just mentioned several things I'm aware "Dynasty News updates...weekly". Staff help in Forums.

I think what people are saying...there is a need going unmet.

Even if we have an idea of where a player should be ranked...it's good to see it somewhere else that might not be biased or drinking the same kool-aid.

Maybe links: reference those sources better even if it's to external site or page.

I'm willing to listen to the bozos in the forum if they've put some thought in the response or heaven forbid actual analysis.

I can watch TV or look at the score and see Torrey Smith 3TD for 170yds or whatever and I"m guessing his stock went up.

What I'm curious about is...how'd it happen, why'd it happen, will it continue to happen.

I think Earth Wind and Fire should cover their song Fantasy...and change the words to DYNASTY...That song should play any time you log into they Dynasty section of FBGS.... =)

 

[comfortably numb]

Ok why would S-Jackson be ranked #12 ? Dude is 28 with a to of carries on him.I look at rankings for dynasty this week. If I was drafting a team right now who do I take ?Would I grab 28 year old declining S-Jackson or an upside young RB ?In a start up draft S-Jackson would not be the 12th RB off the board he only has a 2-3 year shelf life left at RB 2 production at best maybe less.So many carries logged in his career so far.#18 M-Turner dude is 29 and already slowing to a hault. I can't see it.Charles at 22 ? I know he had an ACL tear but dude is young. If I was in a start up draft you are saying he goes in round 5 ? That is where the 22nd RB would go about.I don't like M-Drew at #4 his knees worry me way too much for dynanty RB 4 I am pretty sure I take McCoy and McFadden who are both younger and not going with bone on bone on their knee.#6 AJ Green wow that is shocking love this talent but he is rated over young proven WR's that are in better situations.Colston at #21 ? This guy is so brittle and will be out of the leauge in 2-3 years become of muliple injuries. I have him in 2 dynasty leagues and I can't trade him for anythnig of value.No one wants him at all. I would take several WR's you have ranked below him straight up.Kenny Britt at 27 ? I would take him over Colston by far. Yes ACL injury but he would have been top 5 without the injury. Seems kind of harsh to rank him so low. I am not taking 30 year old Lloyd over him or Colston or Boldin just to name a few.Gates #4 TE ? Now that one is a complete shocker I have Gates in 2 dynasty leagues no one will give anything at all for him.Why is Gates ranked so high ? You honestly would rather have Gates 31 years old and injured with a possible career ending injury over guys like Gronk and Graham ?That is insane.

I get disagreeing with someone's rankings, but do you really think calling someone out like that is helpful?

 

[hostile]

You just mentioned several things I'm aware "Dynasty News updates...weekly". Staff help in Forums.

I think what people are saying...there is a need going unmet.

Even if we have an idea of where a player should be ranked...it's good to see it somewhere else that might not be biased or drinking the same kool-aid.

Maybe links: reference those sources better even if it's to external site or page.

I'm willing to listen to the bozos in the forum if they've put some thought in the response or heaven forbid actual analysis.

Well, what I was saying is that, no there really isnt.

I can watch TV or look at the score and see Torrey Smith 3TD for 170yds or whatever and I"m guessing his stock went up.

What I'm curious about is...how'd it happen, why'd it happen, will it continue to happen.

That really isnt dynasty news then, is it? You're talking about here, and now. Not next year, or two years, or three years from now. Any information on a situation like that hasnt changed since the preseason: they brought in a solid, much more polished vet in Lee Evans. He hurt is ankle. All reports out of Baltimore for some time now were that the Ravens were going to bench Evans until Wk 6, after their bye, in order to get Evans back to health. At that time, Smith goes back to the bench to learn and polish his craft.Any of the questions you're asking in a context like that are answered and beat to death by the redraft crowd.

 

[bucs4life_99]

I agree -- one of the most frustrating things about FBGs. I understand why it takes time to update, but there really isn't a good market out there for something like this and FBGs could really take advantage. Maybe bring on 1-2 guys that can be dedicated to dynasty full time, and offer a $5 add-on to the regular subscription price. I'd definitely pay for it.

 

[This could be the year]

You just mentioned several things I'm aware "Dynasty News updates...weekly". Staff help in Forums.

I think what people are saying...there is a need going unmet.

Even if we have an idea of where a player should be ranked...it's good to see it somewhere else that might not be biased or drinking the same kool-aid.

Maybe links: reference those sources better even if it's to external site or page.

I'm willing to listen to the bozos in the forum if they've put some thought in the response or heaven forbid actual analysis.

Well, what I was saying is that, no there really isnt.

I can watch TV or look at the score and see Torrey Smith 3TD for 170yds or whatever and I"m guessing his stock went up.

What I'm curious about is...how'd it happen, why'd it happen, will it continue to happen.

That really isnt dynasty news then, is it? You're talking about here, and now. Not next year, or two years, or three years from now. Any information on a situation like that hasnt changed since the preseason: they brought in a solid, much more polished vet in Lee Evans. He hurt is ankle. All reports out of Baltimore for some time now were that the Ravens were going to bench Evans until Wk 6, after their bye, in order to get Evans back to health. At that time, Smith goes back to the bench to learn and polish his craft.Any of the questions you're asking in a context like that are answered and beat to death by the redraft crowd.

So based on all these comments, I'm beginning to be of the belief that there really is no such thing as true Dynasty Rankings. There are rankings that project a players value for a few years going forward, but those are based on expectations, and in some cases, no NFL experience. I'm always surprised when I see rookies ranked in the top 15 before the season even starts.but wait...maybe I just defined dynasty rankings. I guess I'm just not sure what else dynasty rankings would represent.