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Jene Bramel

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Links to all rankings on the front page. Most are currently a work in progress as we roll out the first glut of content this week. Also coming over the next week or so, outlook pages and scouting reports on every relevant IDP, Norton's projections and profiles of every team defense in position groups.

Also, the depth charts have been updated to reflect all rookie defensive players.

All 2007 content is free until July 15.

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What is Bob Magaw thinking on his LBer rankings?

DeMeco Ryans, HOU not ranked at all.

Please explain you ranking of Ryans or lack of. Did you miss him or was it done on purpose?

 
first run of these always has people left out or ranked weirdly. all feedback is appreciated. if it was meant to be that way, the staff member will generally be more than willing to defend/explain the atypical ranking.

I'm still working on mine but should have them up shortly.

I'm sure Bob just left Ryans out by accident if he's not included.

 
first run of these always has people left out or ranked weirdly. all feedback is appreciated. if it was meant to be that way, the staff member will generally be more than willing to defend/explain the atypical ranking.I'm still working on mine but should have them up shortly.I'm sure Bob just left Ryans out by accident if he's not included.
Yeah, D. Ryans not being ranked has to be a mistake by him. Because of that though, he is ranked #16 when he should be Top 5...
 
What is Bob Magaw thinking on his LBer rankings? DeMeco Ryans, HOU not ranked at all. Please explain you ranking of Ryans or lack of. Did you miss him or was it done on purpose?
Bob has a crystal ball ;) : compound fracture, week #4 of pre-season: lost for the year. :bag:John Norton has a similar forcast for Bart Scott....a #55 is better than no ranking at all?Guess you have to pick one guy and go with his perception cause the average is skewed.The most helpful bit of information that's been posted regarding LB's is JB's post under "three down backers". There's more information in that post than the composit LB rankings.
 
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This, as you might imagine, is a busy time of the year for us. As Aaron and Jene mentioned earlier (as have Dodds and others in the SP), we all easily could have passed someone up inadvertently at this early stage. Most of us are writing about various other things right now as well as doing the rankings, so mistakes could happen.

Except of course from me. I never make mistakes.

 
ryans was a cut & paste error...

i have heard of him & heard he had a pretty good year last year... :nerd:

i write in-season column on dynasty so have a pretty good awareness of & handle on the youngsters...

first pass is somewhat of a "first draft"... i have tweaked DB & DL rankings... LBs tonite...

i fixed gross error of ryans... he is now #2 (overall)... i have him neither lowest any longer, or highest...

hard for him to go up (nowhere to go)... i predict a modest downtick in tackles due to better overall DL play & with addition of that 12 year old they got in 1st round, but ryans is a stud... sorry for the confusion stemming from my oversight & not proofing...

please keep up the constructive criticism... the feedback helps us all... :thumbup:

 
I'm still working on mine but should have them up shortly.
Great news. One of my first questions in the sharkpool thread was going to ask if Rude would be submitting his IDP rankings this year because you always do a solid job. In fact I think the IDP guys do a better job overall and there's so little info out there in FF land that the IDP stuff on FBG is appreciated most of all. Thanks for the good work gentleman.Now on to bust your balls.... WTF gives with Ray Lewis's rankings? They are all over the place and he's pretty much the same player in the same system. I can completely understand differing opinions of a guy like Angelo Crowell's role in BUF this year but Lewis?
 
Ray Lewis -- I hadn't realized I had Lewis that low until I noticed it on the rankings page. I'm probably a little low on him, but not much. He's no longer a lock to approach 100 solos -- outside of two ten solo games last year he was a 5-6 solo/game player. His year end stats were boosted by 5.5 sacks and 9 passes defended, which I have a hard time believing he'll repeat this season. I think Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs and Dawan Landry pick up the slack of Adalius Thomas in pursuit for the most part as Lewis looked a half step slow at times in 2006.

The tier is close and the guys above (if they keep their current jobs) have less injury risk than Lewis, who hasn't played 16 games in four of the last five years. Still, it's probably not correct to have Lance Briggs or Andra Davis ahead of him today given the little bit of uncertainty with their job situations. And Lewis has a higher ceiling than Brackett. I'll make those adjustments, but I don't know that I'm ready to commit to a top twelve ranking for him yet.

Michael Boley -- Boley is in a ridiculously large tier of LB4-5 caliber players IMO. My rankings tend to rely on tackles as a baseline and Boley is going to struggle to top 70 solos. That means he needs to at least equal his big play production of 2006 (3 sacks, 4 FF/FR, 2 INT, and 7 PD). There are a couple guys (Thomas Davis, Bryan Thomas, Demarcus Ware, Leroy Hill) that may be worse options, but I think there are too many two and three tackle games in Boley's future that will leave owners hoping for a big play. Boley is right on the cusp of my top 60 and I'll probably be shuffling the bottom 15 (on each side) all off-season long.

 
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Huge disparity in DJ Williams rankings. Jene has him 8th and Bloom 44th (dynasty rankings).

Either of you care to share any insight on this guy?

 
Huge disparity in DJ Williams rankings. Jene has him 8th and Bloom 44th (dynasty rankings).Either of you care to share any insight on this guy?
My guess is this is a difference in how they see his role with Wilson gone. FWIW I'd place him around 20-30
 
thing about DJ Williams is that Al Wilson was never that productive playing in the same spot...yet he kept getting voted to Pro Bowls, etc. so his peers and the coaches obviously believed he was playing very well.

Williams gets a big boost from moving inside and staying on the field for passing downs, but how much of an increase on Wilson's numbers can we realistically expect?

 
Huge disparity in DJ Williams rankings. Jene has him 8th and Bloom 44th (dynasty rankings).Either of you care to share any insight on this guy?
Bloom's rankings are dated 4/23. Not to speak for Sig, but they may reflect some uncertainty over whether Wilson would be traded (I don't remember the dates there) or more likely, his oft posted belief that the Broncos would target Willis as a MLB prospect in the draft.
thing about DJ Williams is that Al Wilson was never that productive playing in the same spot...yet he kept getting voted to Pro Bowls, etc. so his peers and the coaches obviously believed he was playing very well.Williams gets a big boost from moving inside and staying on the field for passing downs, but how much of an increase on Wilson's numbers can we realistically expect?
Totally different scheme.This Miami 4-3 is the scheme of Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas, Nick Barnett, Micheal Barrow, etc. The MLB is the highlighted position, protected by big DTs and DE split wide to funnel plays toward the middle of the field rather than stringing them out for the pursuit. Williams ripped up the league as a WLB in Larry Coyer's poorer scheme for IDP value as a rookie. He's ridiculously talented. As a three down linebacker, there's 110 solo tackle potential here. I think Denver's defense will be good enough where he won't get that much opportunity so I'm having trouble putting him above the 8-12 tier. But if I like what I hear in camp, I'll probably put him in my top five in both redraft and dynasty rankings.
 
Totally different scheme.This Miami 4-3 is the scheme of Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas, Nick Barnett, Micheal Barrow, etc. The MLB is the highlighted position, protected by big DTs and DE split wide to funnel plays toward the middle of the field rather than stringing them out for the pursuit. Williams ripped up the league as a WLB in Larry Coyer's poorer scheme for IDP value as a rookie. He's ridiculously talented. As a three down linebacker, there's 110 solo tackle potential here. I think Denver's defense will be good enough where he won't get that much opportunity so I'm having trouble putting him above the 8-12 tier. But if I like what I hear in camp, I'll probably put him in my top five in both redraft and dynasty rankings.
good point. I forgot that Bates was there now. I definitely could see DJ having a big year.
 
Huge disparity in DJ Williams rankings. Jene has him 8th and Bloom 44th (dynasty rankings).Either of you care to share any insight on this guy?
Bloom's rankings are dated 4/23. Not to speak for Sig, but they may reflect some uncertainty over whether Wilson would be traded (I don't remember the dates there) or more likely, his oft posted belief that the Broncos would target Willis as a MLB prospect in the draft.
thing about DJ Williams is that Al Wilson was never that productive playing in the same spot...yet he kept getting voted to Pro Bowls, etc. so his peers and the coaches obviously believed he was playing very well.Williams gets a big boost from moving inside and staying on the field for passing downs, but how much of an increase on Wilson's numbers can we realistically expect?
Totally different scheme.This Miami 4-3 is the scheme of Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas, Nick Barnett, Micheal Barrow, etc. The MLB is the highlighted position, protected by big DTs and DE split wide to funnel plays toward the middle of the field rather than stringing them out for the pursuit. Williams ripped up the league as a WLB in Larry Coyer's poorer scheme for IDP value as a rookie. He's ridiculously talented. As a three down linebacker, there's 110 solo tackle potential here. I think Denver's defense will be good enough where he won't get that much opportunity so I'm having trouble putting him above the 8-12 tier. But if I like what I hear in camp, I'll probably put him in my top five in both redraft and dynasty rankings.
As someone who has been holding DJ for awhile in one league, let me just say It's about time !!!!
 
i'm sorry but......

S.Phillips 66 ???

Wimbley 68 ??

D.Smith 70 ??

behind guys like Lenon or Tinoisamoa !!

are you kidding me ??

 
i'm sorry but......S.Phillips 66 ???Wimbley 68 ??D.Smith 70 ??behind guys like Lenon or Tinoisamoa !!are you kidding me ??
:goodposting:Reasonable projections for these players IMO:Paris Lenon: 84-24-1-1-1-5 >> 164Pisa Tinoisamoa: 75-20-2-1-2-7 >> 159Kamerion Wimbley: 49-20-12-5-0-5 >> 159Shaun Phillips: 47-22-10-5-0-6 >> 151Daryl Smith: 72-15-2-0-0-3 >> 132A few observations after this exercise. Lenon is the only one I have listed in the redraft rankings and I'm the only one who has him ranked currently.I've got Lenon too high at 43. I put him higher in that tier after the Lions chose not to address the MLB position in the draft -- they've said absolutely nothing about Johnny Baldwin competing there -- and haven't yet shown any interest Al Wilson or Shelton Quarles. I'm not concerned about Teddy Lehman; he didn't crack the rotation at year's end last season. However, I think the above projection is Lenon's ceiling, especially since there's no guarantee he'll have an every down role. I'll drop him today.I'm obviously projecting Daryl Smith to stay outside for now. He's never been very productive in that role; he finished in the fifties in this scoring system two years ago there but doesn't realistically have much upside unless he plays in the middle.Wimbley has the potential to hit 60 solos, but I've a hard time projecting that to happen when no recent 3-4 OLB ever has. He's just outside my top sixty and obviously a better play in sack heavy scoring systems or deeper leagues if you're a risk tolerant owner.Phillips? Again, my 3-4 OLB bias shows; if you feel comfortable projecting 12 plus sacks, 5 plus FF/FR, and more than 5 PD again this year then he belongs in the mid-40s again. I'm not comfortable projecting that for 2007. He had multiple minor injuries in his first full season of play, the ILB play will be weaker, and there's no guarantee the secondary will be improved. The Chargers faced the sixth most passing attempts in the league in 2006 and, anecdotally, a higher percentage of "pin-the-ears-back" attempts than nearly every other team. I think 2006 may have been Phillips' career season.If Tino stays healthy, he's a much better big play option on the outside than Daryl Smith is. He'll crack the top half of WLBs easily over a full 16 game season. Last year's injuries were significant, though, and I'm waiting to see how well he looks in camp before I recommend him over the others in the huge tier of LB4-5s.ETA: Looks like I had Wimbley 61; he moves into my list with Landon Johnson moving out this AM on the Hartwell news. Moved Lenon to 53, which kills him in the composite list.
 
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I'll be updating my IDP rankings (dynasty and redraft) over the weekend, sorry for the delay - I had put a bunch of "life" things off until after the draft...

 

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