FBG Lawyer Bat Signal - *ACTIVATED* (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

Well le'ts take it onc step further, why don't we put you in a bubble for the off chance that something may happen to you?  Do you think there should be nets arount the entire golf course where there is a possibility, no matter how remote, that a player might go out of bounds into an area where someone or something could be damaged?  Seems kind of silly right?  No, i think i will take option 2 where i am accountable for my actions but, i am not a delicate unique snowflake.  I actually make mistakes that i have to pay for at times.     

You dont golf, do you.

It is absoluty NOT reasonable for a net to not exist when a passing road is 10-15 yards past a green, or 10-15 yards from ANY part of the normal playing area.

You are being totally unreasonable.  A net is not only reasonable but is a necessity in that situation, and I have not played on a course in quite a while where a net did not exist in a situation where a road is so close to the playing area.

Pay off the lady without claiming guilt,  then tell the course you need to be reimbursed for their lack of proper safety equipment.  Or even approach the golf cours first.  Most of the blame here goes to the course.  Your kid just isnt very good at golf.  Most people arent.

 

[James Daulton]

You dont golf, do you.

It is absoluty NOT reasonable for a net to not exist when a passing road is 10-15 yards past a green, or 10-15 yards from ANY part of the normal playing area.

You are being totally unreasonable.  A net is not only reasonable but is a necessity in that situation, and I have not played on a course in quite a while where a net did not exist in a situation where a road is so close to the playing area.

Pay off the lady without claiming guilt,  then tell the course you need to be reimbursed for their lack of proper safety equipment.  Or even approach the golf cours first.  Most of the blame here goes to the course.  Your kid just isnt very good at golf.  Most people arent.

To be fair again, it was a beautiful looking wedge.

 

[Dark Matter]

My mom lives on a golf course, the golfer has never had to pay for any damage. The course has always paid for all damage. I am not sure on the exact totals, but in her 8 years living there the golf course has paid force several windows, a few dents on the hood and roof of her car, and some dents to the siding. Hope this helps, we also live in Michigan. 

This surprises me. As a golf course operator, we do everything in our power to get the golfer and the homeowner together to rectify the situation. Many people aren't as willing to fess up and do the right thing like JD here. A golfer is always responsible for their ball, period. Given that, the homeowner has to take responsibility for buying a home on a golf course and be willing to take the good and the bad that comes with living next to it.

 

[D-Day]

Have the lady turn it into her insurance company, and they will subrogate against you.  The reason I would do it this way is because the insurance company may get a better price for the repair.  ALSO, if this is a newer vehicle with some safety features, then there may be some recalibration needed at an additional cost.

If the cost of repair is higher than you are willing/able to pay, then turn this in under your home insurance policy (assuming your son is a resident).

 

[sbonomo]

You dont golf, do you.

It is absoluty NOT reasonable for a net to not exist when a passing road is 10-15 yards past a green, or 10-15 yards from ANY part of the normal playing area.

You are being totally unreasonable.  A net is not only reasonable but is a necessity in that situation, and I have not played on a course in quite a while where a net did not exist in a situation where a road is so close to the playing area.

Pay off the lady without claiming guilt,  then tell the course you need to be reimbursed for their lack of proper safety equipment.  Or even approach the golf cours first.  Most of the blame here goes to the course.  Your kid just isnt very good at golf.  Most people arent.




 

Yes i do golf and your scenario is not the case.  As the OP mentioned above, the road is 50 feet with a 10 foot elevation behind the green.  Is this the courses fault?  I strongly disagree.  If you are missing a shot by 50 feet plus elevation with a wedge you need to take acountability (as the OP has already said he would).  I have never seen a road 5 feet from a green in my 15 year + of playing as mentioned by dparker73 above.  You all must play some serious goat ranches.     

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I am only aware of one golf course in my general surroundings that doesn't have netting to protect a close road, and that's because they have a natural tree line and higher chain link fences along the road so there is rarely if ever a problem with those holes.  So beyond that useless response to the bat signal I've got nothing.

 

[D-Day]

touch your son how to play the bump and run.  much easier than hitting half wedges.

I am pretty sure this is not what you meant to type.

 

[James Daulton]

I am only aware of one golf course in my general surroundings that doesn't have netting to protect a close road, and that's because they have a natural tree line and higher chain link fences along the road so there is rarely if ever a problem with those holes.  So beyond that useless response to the bat signal I've got nothing.

As a lawyer I expected much more out of you.   

 

[dparker713]

Well le'ts take it onc step further, why don't we put you in a bubble for the off chance that something may happen to you?  Do you think there should be nets arount the entire golf course where there is a possibility, no matter how remote, that a player might go out of bounds into an area where someone or something could be damaged?  Seems kind of silly right?  No, i think i will take option 2 where i am accountable for my actions but, i am not a delicate unique snowflake.  I actually make mistakes that i have to pay for at times.     

You realize this isn't an either or situation.  More than one person can be at fault.  That is why most states have adopted some form of comparative negligence.  The kid may be 100% at fault, 50% at fault or 0% at fault.  That's a jury question and requires weighing various factors of the situation.  

Kid hit ball.  Ball hit car.  Kid did bad.  

Thankfully, we've mostly moved beyond this.  

 

[dparker713]

This surprises me. As a golf course operator, we do everything in our power to get the golfer and the homeowner together to rectify the situation. Many people aren't as willing to fess up and do the right thing like JD here. A golfer is always responsible for their ball, period. Given that, the homeowner has to take responsibility for buying a home on a golf course and be willing to take the good and the bad that comes with living next to it.

I'm sure you as a golf course operator believe that.  But there's a reason why many courses have netting and homes on courses have plexiglass windows.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

As a lawyer I expected much more out of you.   

Well if the driver were to sue you she would have to prove that you hit the ball.  She would also have to prove that it was a golf ball to begin with.  I'm not aware of a strict liability issue with golf ball into car damage but I could be wrong.  You would be smart to file a third party complaint against the golf course for their negligence in structuring the course the way they do.  Possibly the county for the road's completeing in a dangerous manner.  Your home owners insurance might defend you but I doubt it - though you could check your policy and talk to your agent.

If you want to go down a rabbit hole we can, but I think you siad we are talking about 100 bucks or so?  It's probably easier on you to just pay it because my retainer in a case like that would be about 100 times that.

 

[eoMMan]

I'm still mildly surprised that golf courses aren't required to carry liability insurance for things like this.  Presumably the owner chose the location and created the course, they can do so in such a way to minimize the risk of balls being hit into the street.  Assuming that was done here (so no negligence on the golf course owners) and son either had a horrible shot or intentionally sent the ball the wrong way, that's on him.

your point is solid, but "a wrong" indicates he intentionally did something, wrong.  This is more "your son caused damage, he should pay for it".

I disagree. A wrong doesn't have to be intentional. 

If I rear end your car, I'm in the wrong even if I didn't intend to rear end your car.

What matters is taking ownership. 

 

[PIK95]

I still am not sure that your son actually hit it.  

 

[Zegras11]

nice to see he's graduated from crushing the clowns face at mini golf to this.

 

[ChiefD]

I still am not sure that your son actually hit it.  

Agree. Sounds like the windshield had ball cancer.

 

[PIK95]

Hypothetical question.  If she drove off the road, hit a tree and died, would everyone else be so quick to admit guilt without actually seeing the ball hit the car?  Just curious? #Naz

 

[nightmare]

Do not have her go through her insurance company-$600 would be the price
to replace the windshield. $250 cash takes care of it(that's if it's a full size car).

 

[Grahamburn]

If he's catching the ball thin he's probably lifting up right at impact.  Have him work on staying down through the ball a little longer so he can hit it square.

 

[Dark Matter]

I'm sure you as a golf course operator believe that.  But there's a reason why many courses have netting and homes on courses have plexiglass windows.

I am not saying that golf courses aren't responsible as well, just that ultimately the golfer is responsible for what happens after the ball is struck. I know of courses that have redesigned holes to protect themselves and homeowners. I just see a quite a bit of "whoa is me" from people who buy houses next to a golf course and don't want to take responsibility for where they chose to buy. It's like buying next to an airport and getting pissed because planes fly over.

 

[jomar]

Yes i do golf and your scenario is not the case.  As the OP mentioned above, the road is 50 feet with a 10 foot elevation behind the green? Is this the courses fault?  I strongly disagree.  If you are missing a shot by 50 feet plus elevation with a wedge you need to take acountability (as the OP has already said he would). 

Flier lie?  Pin in the back?  Swirling wind came up behind him?  Bounced on the cart path before the road?  

 

[ghostguy123]

Flier lie?  Pin in the back?  Swirling wind came up behind him?  Bounced on the cart path before the road?  

yeah, 20 yards between putting and vehicular manslaughter..............................not enough

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Here's the rub. #### the law. Who cares? You've got an opportunity to reinforce to your son what it means to be a man. A chance to show him what it means to do the right thing. For what? The cost of a car window. Please. Why is this even a question?

My only problem with this is, if I am paying a golf course for the privilege of playing, I'm assuming they have taken the necessary precautions to limit the risk of something like this happening. If I hit a shot that goes over a green on a par 3, I don't assume that I'm hitting into traffic on a busy road (or any road at all, really).

If I'm hitting balls out of my backyard, it's a different scenario.

 

[sbonomo]

Flier lie?  Pin in the back?  Swirling wind came up behind him?  Bounced on the cart path before the road?  

I will answer these in the order above: Pay for windshield, still pay for the windshield, still going to pay for the windshield, and once again I would still play for the windshield.  I guess if you wanted to try and tell a judge that you think the course is liable because they put the pin in the back of a green or that the cart path should not be on the backside of the green you could.  No way I am taking on an act of god or the planet however you want to categorize the wind issue.  I would rather just pay for the windshield.  My $.02

 

[dparker713]

I will answer these in the order above: Pay for windshield, still pay for the windshield, still going to pay for the windshield, and once again I would still play for the windshield.  I guess if you wanted to try and tell a judge that you think the course is liable because they put the pin in the back of a green or that the cart path should not be on the backside of the green you could.  No way I am taking on an act of god or the planet however you want to categorize the wind issue.  I would rather just pay for the windshield.  My $.02

Look at the rich guy.  Buying windshields for everyone.  

 

[ghostguy123]

So now an errant shot on the course subjects you to potential criminal lawsuits?  I guess us normies have more pressure then the pros after all.

 

[sbonomo]

Look at the rich guy.  Buying windshields for everyone.  

Start hiding windshields?  If I hit a homerun in softball (believe me this will never happen) and I broke someone's windshield in the parking lot I would replace it as well.  I guess I am just that kind of person. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Start hiding windshields?  If I hit a homerun in softball (believe me this will never happen) and I broke someone's windshield in the parking lot I would replace it as well.  I guess I am just that kind of person. 

If it is during a league game, hellllllll no I wouldn't pay for that.  LEAGUE pays

 

[dparker713]

Start hiding windshields?  If I hit a homerun in softball (believe me this will never happen) and I broke someone's windshield in the parking lot I would replace it as well.  I guess I am just that kind of person. 

I'd make my teammates pay.  If they were better I wouldn't have to show up the pitcher everytime and hit yet another light tower tater.  

 

[parasaurolophus]

Start hiding windshields?  If I hit a homerun in softball (believe me this will never happen) and I broke someone's windshield in the parking lot I would replace it as well.  I guess I am just that kind of person. 

Love how this thread is full of people that want to do the right thing and be so accountable yet when it is a huge corporation involved all of a sudden the corporation has to pay. Must be some prevailing attitude that only rich people golf. 

I look at a golf ball hitting your car in the same light as when there is random road debris that another car ran over and popped up into the air and it hits your car. Accidents happen. Deal with it. If somebody has to be blamed beyond that, the course would be next in line. All you have to do is go to your local course and quickly realize golf is freaking hard and most golfers suck.

If you are going to charge people a large sum of money to golf there, you darn well better expect people will slap that ball all over the place. No different than a shooting range having a bullet go through a crack in the wall or something. If the gun jammed and made the person misfire way to the right there is no way you guys would be saying man up. 

If your kid hit a foul baseball and knocked some teeth out of an unsuspecting childs mouth playing at the park, you wouldnt say man up and pay for their dental work.

Did anybody say that the player that lost the grip on the bat an an mlb game should personally pay?

What if you were at work and you were painting and your ladder tipped and you landed on the lady next door that was out naked sunbathing and she got injured would you blame the painter or the company?

 

[sbonomo]

If it is during a league game, hellllllll no I wouldn't pay for that.  LEAGUE pays

we are obviously different people.

 

[ghostguy123]

we are obviously different people.

Yes we are.  You apparently jump at the chance to pay for things that you could easily have the course/league pay for.  

I do not.  

I would much rather pitch in with everyone if someone hits a dinger and busts a windshield.  Or play in a league that covers this crap.

 

[sbonomo]

Yes we are.  You apparently jump at the chance to pay for things that you could easily have the course/league pay for.  

I do not.  

I would much rather pitch in with everyone if someone hits a dinger and busts a windshield.  Or play in a league that covers this crap.




 

Don't worry it is not your fault...I am sure it was the way you were brought up.  

 

[ghostguy123]

Don't worry it is not your fault...I am sure it was the way you were brought up.  

Right.  I would never leave someone hanging who just cracked a homerun and make them pay for a window. 

You would.  

Glad i wasnt brought up that way.

 

[sbonomo]

Right.  I would never leave someone hanging who just cracked a homerun and make them pay for a window. 

You would.  

Glad i wasnt brought up that way.

Would you ask members of your foursome to pitch in if you broke a windshield as well?  

 

[TheAristocrat]

Interesting debate between taking responsibility and seeing if anyone else wants to take responsibility for your accident.

 

[Insein]

Interesting debate between taking responsibility and seeing if anyone else wants to take responsibility for your accident.

Rather between taking responsibility or waiting to see if you're actually responsible .

 

[James Daulton]

To bring this full circle, son contacted lady, lady was very reasonable, lady emailed son invoice ($300), son paypaled lady $325 (a little extra for her trouble) and that was the end of that.

And most importantly, son learned a valuable lesson about how important it is to have proper distance control with your short irons. 

 

[The_Man]

To bring this full circle, son contacted lady, lady was very reasonable, lady emailed son invoice ($300), son paypaled lady $325 (a little extra for her trouble) and that was the end of that.

And most importantly, son learned a valuable lesson about how important it is to have proper distance control with your short irons. 

Awesome. Baltimore local question, where were you playing?

 

[James Daulton]

Awesome. Baltimore local question, where were you playing?

Course called Fairway Greens in Columbia.  It's right around the mall area and winds through some communities and secondary roads.  Great course, short but really nice hole variety and topography.