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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

Aerial Assault said:
Well, then our interim move of Rxd5 protects the b-pawn.  But if he does those moves I'd start pushing the f-pawn after Rb8.  Not convinced it leads to a draw.  
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We can't push the f pawn right away after Rb8: 

Bb6 Rxd5 Rb8 f5 Bxd8 Rxd8 Rxb5 and then what? He threatens Rxf5. If f4, Re5+ and Rxe4. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
Yeah, tim, you're right about that b-pawn.  Looks dead.  

After Rb8, maybe Ke7.  Need to get the king closer to our two remaining pawns. 
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Just noticed wilk said the same thing above about Ke7; sorry.  No question that Ke7 is the best move after Rb8.  And if he doesn't play Bb6 now, I'll be stunned.  

 
I'd like to respond with Kd7 right now and escape the pin. But white can just play Ra7+ Ke8 Ra8 etc. 

So Rxd5 seems obvious, but if his next move is Bh4 he freezes our pieces in place. 

Rxd5 Bh4 f5 Ke3 and then what? We have no moves. 

 
An interesting phenomenon when playing stronger players is they will see a refutation to a strong move you are afraid of and not play that move.

Where is McGarnicle with an updated board?

 
I don't think we can take the pawn. I think we have to play f6 right now. 

f6 Bh4 Ke7 

And if Bxf6+  Kxf6 Rxe8 Ke5 

This seems like the best option...

 
SacramentoBob said:
An interesting phenomenon when playing stronger players is they will see a refutation to a strong move you are afraid of and not play that move.

Where is McGarnicle with an updated board?
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Quite.  But I can't wait to hear what the specific refutation was to that one.  :coffee:   It's probably "I don't want a draw with these clowns."   

The board's fairly easy just to memorize now.  Since FEN is really not very readable, you have:

a8:   (w) R

b4:   (w) P

b5:   (b)  P

c-file is vacant

d3:   (b) R

d5:   (w) P

d8:   (b)  B

e2:   (w) K

e4:   (b)  P

e8:   (b)  K

f2:    (w)  B

f7:    (b)  P

g-file is vacant

h-file is vacant

tim will correct me if I misremembered that, I trust

 
f6 Bh4 Ke7 seems to work. 

But f6 Rb8 Rxd5 Ke6 leads to a draw- f5 Bh4 and we're back to our previous problem. Re5 Bh4 Ke7 Bg3 followed by Bf2- we can't defend everything. His pieces are far more active than ours, which was of course the main problem when we played Bd8 in the first place. 

 
timschochet said:
I'd like to respond with Kd7 right now and escape the pin. But white can just play Ra7+ Ke8 Ra8 etc. 

So Rxd5 seems obvious, but if his next move is Bh4 he freezes our pieces in place. 

Rxd5 Bh4 f5 Ke3 and then what? We have no moves. 
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I think unpinning the king now and answering Bh4 with f6 has merit. 

 
OK I think f6 is the move.

If Bh4 Ke7 Bxf6+ Kxe6 Rxd8 Ke5 maybe we can still win this. 

If Rb8 Kd7 (Rxd5 is no good) Rxb5 Kd6 

in both situations we're giving up a pawn to get our king active, but I don't see any other choice. 

 
timschochet said:
This is an option too. 

Kd7 Ra7+ Kd6 Rxf7 and then we take the d pawn with the king or rook. 

Yeah this looks better than f6 even. But it still looks like a draw- or at least, I don't have the skills to turn it into a win. 
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Don't sell yourself short; you've been the primary mover in getting the game this far. 

But I think that is a very sound sequence.  I dislike f6 right now because it does nothing to resolve the pin.   

 
timschochet said:
Wait- we also have Kd7 Ra7+ Bc7 Bb6 Rc3 Does this work? Looks wrong. 
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I think I would sacrifice the f-pawn there and not block with the bishop and get us pinned again, just on the seventh rank (where his rook is arguably more powerful) instead of the eighth. 

Kd7 Ra7+ Kd6 . . . and invite Rxf7 followed by somebody taking that ******* on d5. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
I think that's why he went to f2, preparing for Bh4.  But why he didn't just go Bb6 is a head-scratcher. 
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Easy.  The only escape square that defends the bishop is e7.  After Bb6 Rxd5 and Black is winning.

After Bh4 Rxd5, Black can never move the king to e7 because the bishop controls that diagonal.  Kd7 removes the the rook as a defender and White wins a piece.

 
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I think Black's best chance is to keep his connected passers, just not sure if it's possible.  Swapping d and f pawns is probably holdable as a draw.

 
SacramentoBob said:
I think Black's best chance is to keep his connected passers, just not sure if it's possible.  Swapping d and f pawns is probably holdable as a draw.
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That's the rub. We can't do it that I can see. Not without giving up that forever pin with Bh4. 

We have to give up the f pawn to get our king active. 

 
timschochet said:
Well then what do you suggest? 
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I'd like to find a way to deal with the Bh4 threat and preserve the connected passers at the same time.  I'm just not seeing it.  The other option is to head for the line I listed, win the b-pawn and force him to defend some more.   It's probably not winning, but there's always value in making your opponent suffer through a defense. :)

 
timschochet said:
After Kd7, does white have any option other than Ra7+ ? 
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I doubt it.  He only has three other pieces he can move.  Moving the king doesn't seem to have any advantage.  Pushing the d-pawn would be dumb.  Don't see where he moves the bishop.  And there doesn't seem to be a better move for his rook.  But who knows? 

 
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