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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

Wilk said:
Maybe kc7

Rb5...be7

Ra5...rxb4

Ra4...rb3

Ra7+...kd6

Ra6+...ke5

He has to play ba7 or move his rook, and rb6 or ra8 are answered with rxd5.
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Finally have a minute to look at this. 

After Ra5, you mean Bxb4? 

 
Wilk said:
Maybe kc7

Rb5...be7

Ra5...rxb4

Ra4...rb3

Ra7+...kd6

Ra6+...ke5

He has to play ba7 or move his rook, and rb6 or ra8 are answered with rxd5.
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I'm trying to see what you meant here. I think you meant:

...kc7

Rb5 be7

Ra5 Bxb4

R4 Rb3 

Ra7+ Kd6

Ra6+ Ke5

This is fine if he plays this line. But there's a lot of variables here. 

 
So which looks better: Bc7 or Kc7? Both have their points. I lean toward Bc7 because I don't like the king being pulled away from the center; also in Wilk's variation the Rook on b3 protecting the bishop on b4 looks dangerous to me and neither piece is helping us push those pawns. 

Bc7 or Kc7? 

 
For those who are totally lost:

1. It's black's move. 

Black has his king on d6, his bishop on d8, his rook on d3, a pawn on e4 and a pawn on f6. 

White has his king on e2, his bishop on f2, a pawn on d5, and a pawn on b4. 

 
Wilk said:
Yes. Sorry. 

If bc7, what do we do after he plays rb7? Nothing looks good to me.
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You're right. f5 doesn't work because Bg1 Rh3 Bc5+ Kd7 d6

And Rc3 loses to Bc5+ and d6

I think we have to play Kf7. Can you see any other moves? Everything else seems to lose. 

 
The only response that looks OK to me to Ba7 is Kd7. 

Kc7 Rb5 Be7 Ba7 Kd7 Ke8 and then we try to continue with f5. 

In any case, I still think we have to play Kc7 here. Agreed? 

 
I cant figure out how to win here. Maybe someone smarter can figure it out, but unless kaspy screws up, it looks like a draw to me. Let's wait on our next move and let more people look at it.

I look forward to hopefully going back through this with Kaspy. I think somewhere along the last 10 moves or so we missed an opportunity. It seemed like we may have had a winning position at one point.

 
Any chance you guys can let everyone catch up?  I mean, you're doing a fabulous job, but I'm not seeing the rush.  Let everyone who wants to have a day or so at least to study the board position.  Just sayin'.  :shrug:

 
Ba7 Bd6 Bb8+ Kd7 Rb7+ Kc8 Rf7 Bxb8 Rxf6 Ba7 Re6 Rd4 b5 Rb4 d6 e3 Re7 Bb6

and black wins. Chances are he won't play Rb7+ though. He is willing to sacrifice his bishop for one of our pawns but only if he can capture the other pawn. Here we're able to defend it, barely. 

 
Bg1 Bd6 Ra5 f5 Ra7+ Kd8 Rf7 f4 

This looks good for us too.

I'm becoming less of a pessimist here. I think we may be winning this thing. I think that may be why he's taking so long. What am I missing? 

 
Kaspy plays Bb6+

hoping we play Kd6? 

Kd6 Bc5+ Kd7 Rb7+

Kd7 looks like the move here. But I don't know where white is going with this. Thoughts? 

 
Kd7 or kc8 look ok to me. 

I think i might slightly prefer kc8 even though it pulls our king away from the center.  What is his next likely move should we play kc8?

 
Wilk said:
Kd7 or kc8 look ok to me. 

I think i might slightly prefer kc8 even though it pulls our king away from the center.  What is his next likely move should we play kc8?
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If he's going to play Bc5 our king needs to be closer. I think Kd7. 

 
timschochet said:
OK I still prefer Kd7, but let's wait until morning. 
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Yeah. Maybe so. If he wants bc5, why not just play it now if for no reason than to drive back our king? I assume he doesn't play bc5 next if we play kd7, and probably not even if we play kc8. As best I can tell, he cant hold both white pawns after bc5. (I dont think he can hold them both anyway, but i cant figure out how to actually win).

 
Nice job the last few moves, just really nice.   

After a few minutes of study (perhaps not enough), I can't see too much of a difference between Kd7 and Kc8 except that Kc8 does prevent Bc5 as wilk noted (because of Rxd5) *and* it prevents his rook from moving to b7 (after he clears the bishop to another square), which would be undesirable (particularly if our king and bishop are parked on the seventh rank as well). 

So I would favor Kc8 despite moving our king farther from the center, and see what happens. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
Nice job the last few moves, just really nice.   

After a few minutes of study (perhaps not enough), I can't see too much of a difference between Kd7 and Kc8 except that Kc8 does prevent Bc5 as wilk noted (because of Rxd5) *and* it prevents his rook from moving to b7 (after he clears the bishop to another square), which would be undesirable (particularly if our king and bishop are parked on the seventh rank as well). 

So I would favor Kc8 despite moving our king farther from the center, and see what happens. 
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I like the point about Rb7. So I agree with Kc8. Let's do it. 

Kc8. 

 
We have a lot of choices here: 

Bxb4 obviously

but I like Bd6. I don't really care about the b pawn. If we're going to win we need to find a way to get our passed pawns rolling. Bd6 starts that because it allows us to play f4. 

 
timschochet said:
We have a lot of choices here: 

Bxb4 obviously

but I like Bd6. I don't really care about the b pawn. If we're going to win we need to find a way to get our passed pawns rolling. Bd6 starts that because it allows us to play f4. 
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Current board I believe. 

Bd6, then play f4.  Through two moves, f5 and then f4?  I guess, but I don't think he's going to sit idle while we do that, so I don't know.  

Without too much analysis I like liquidating the b-pawn.  We threaten the rook.  He can respond with Ra8+ but I see Kb7 in response and his pieces can't protect themselves.  I think he would answer with Ra4 and then we can clear the bishop, he gets our e-pawn and we (finally) get the d-pawn, his last.  That would set up a fascinating endgame as we battle to protect the f-pawn.  I'm sure there's some flaw in there.       

 
Aerial Assault said:
Current board I believe. 

Bd6, then play f4.  Through two moves, f5 and then f4?  I guess, but I don't think he's going to sit idle while we do that, so I don't know.  

Without too much analysis I like liquidating the b-pawn.  We threaten the rook.  He can respond with Ra8+ but I see Kb7 in response and his pieces can't protect themselves.  I think he would answer with Ra4 and then we can clear the bishop, he gets our e-pawn and we (finally) get the d-pawn, his last.  That would set up a fascinating endgame as we battle to protect the f-pawn.  I'm sure there's some flaw in there.       
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We can't allow him to take the e pawn or the f pawn and have any chance to win the game, at least not while he retains his bishop. Pretty much the only way we win is by keeping both of our pawns. That's the problem with your plan. 

If Bxb5 Ra4 Rb3 is forced. That might not be so bad but that's what we have to play. We can't give lip the e pawn. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
Current board I believe. 

Bd6, then play f4.  Through two moves, f5 and then f4?  I guess, but I don't think he's going to sit idle while we do that, so I don't know.  

Without too much analysis I like liquidating the b-pawn.  We threaten the rook.  He can respond with Ra8+ but I see Kb7 in response and his pieces can't protect themselves.  I think he would answer with Ra4 and then we can clear the bishop, he gets our e-pawn and we (finally) get the d-pawn, his last.  That would set up a fascinating endgame as we battle to protect the f-pawn.  I'm sure there's some flaw in there.       
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Lurker on this thread not anywhere as skilled as you gentlemen but thoroughly enjoying this match. As others have said regardless of the outcome you have all done an admirable job so far vs Kaspy. If there were no flaws with the above suggestion (Bxb4 Ra4 and then each clears a pawn) it would indeed make for a great endgame.

 
timschochet said:
We can't allow him to take the e pawn or the f pawn and have any chance to win the game, at least not while he retains his bishop. Pretty much the only way we win is by keeping both of our pawns. That's the problem with your plan. 

If Bxb5 Ra4 Rb3 is forced. That might not be so bad but that's what we have to play. We can't give lip the e pawn. 
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I don't agree that we can't win unless we retain both pawns.  In any case, Bxb5 Ra4 Rb3 is not a bad sequence. 

What's your preferred play - Bd6 [whatever he does] f5? 

 
Buzzbait said:
Lurker on this thread not anywhere as skilled as you gentlemen but thoroughly enjoying this match. As others have said regardless of the outcome you have all done an admirable job so far vs Kaspy. If there were no flaws with the above suggestion (Bxb4 Ra4 and then each clears a pawn) it would indeed make for a great endgame.
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tim and wilk have indeed certainly authored a nice position. 

Did you spot a flaw with my line beyond the abstract desire/need to retain both of our pawns? 

 
First off here's the reason I say we can't win: 

Bxb4 Ra4 Bd6 Rxe4 Rxd5 Bg1

Now all white needs to do is keep his bishop on either g1 or h2 in order to capture the pawn whenever we push it to a black square. If we try to trade bishops he'll simply move it to the other square. He will never trade bishops and will always have it ready to capture our f pawn. He doesn't care about losing the bishop in that situation because it's a draw. 

Thats the way I see it anyhow. I admit I'm no expert at these kind of endgames and perhaps someone who is can correct me. But my assumption is that unless bishops are traded at the same time we cannot afford to lose either of our pawns. 

 
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