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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

Popping in to say great job, from another non-chess person who has read every post with interest.  :thumbup:

I'd imagine Kaspy is going to have a fun time reading this thread after it's all over.

 
any recent pics of the board?  During the day I can't set this up on a computer so I'm stuck going by memory and notation and it's hard to look at long lines obviously.

 
John Bender said:
any recent pics of the board?  During the day I can't set this up on a computer so I'm stuck going by memory and notation and it's hard to look at long lines obviously.
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I don't know how to do it. 

White has his King on e2, his rook on a4, his bishop on e5 and a pawn on d7. 

Our King is on b7, our rook on b3, our bishop on c5, and pawns on e4 and f5. 

 
WEll, not sure I see the need to drive his King back, it's completely cut off as it is and we're on the defense here.  I'd probably prefer rd3 to eye his pawn. He then only has 1 move to keep us from taking his last pawn by running interference with his bishop, at which point we could go grab the diagonal with bishop to e7 and pretty much never allow him to queen.

moving our king to where it is now really came in handy to not allow that rook to the back rank.  

 
John Bender said:
WEll, not sure I see the need to drive his King back, it's completely cut off as it is and we're on the defense here.  I'd probably prefer rd3 to eye his pawn. He then only has 1 move to keep us from taking his last pawn by running interference with his bishop, at which point we could go grab the diagonal with bishop to e7 and pretty much never allow him to queen.

moving our king to where it is now really came in handy to not allow that rook to the back rank.  
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Further, getting our bishop to e7 puts our bishop on an awesome pivot square. We can look to play Bh4 after we eliminate his pawn and be eyeing our queening square on e1

 
John Bender said:
WEll, not sure I see the need to drive his King back, it's completely cut off as it is and we're on the defense here.  I'd probably prefer rd3 to eye his pawn. He then only has 1 move to keep us from taking his last pawn by running interference with his bishop, at which point we could go grab the diagonal with bishop to e7 and pretty much never allow him to queen.

moving our king to where it is now really came in handy to not allow that rook to the back rank.  
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All true. But maybe driving his king back now will benefit us later. 

 
timschochet said:
All true. But maybe driving his king back now will benefit us later. 
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I dont think it's a losing move by any means, but I don't see the point of it personally.

I hate to be a contrarian all the time but his king is completely cut off right now and I don't see the use for the move plan wise. 

I think the better plan is getting our bishop on the pivot square I mentioned. Because if we get our bishop to H4, he's in a world of hurt at that point.

 
So if we simply played Rd3 he has 2 moves as a response, Rc4 or Bd4. 

In response to either move, we immediately play Be7.

Coming soon thereafter is Bh4.  You mentioned you guys want to play for the win. The check on Re3 is not leading to anything concrete IMO.

I like my line better.  But I'm just one opinion - feel free to look into it.

If we get to a point where we have our bishop on H4 and then can play the rook to the 2nd rank - his king is a world of trouble and this is game over IMO.

Both his minor pieces will be isolated on the other side of our pawns and we just roll the pawns of doom from there

 
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Yeah, our bishop on H4 is a monster piece. 

What did you say earlier Tim?  Envision the squares you want your pieces to be on and make a plan to get them there. Our bishop needs to be on H4. My plan gets it there more quickly than anything else.

 
John Bender said:
So if we simply played Rd3 he has 2 moves as a response, Rc4 or Bd4. 

In response to either move, we immediately play Be7.

Coming soon thereafter is Bh4.  You mentioned you guys want to play for the win. The check on Re3 is not leading to anything concrete IMO.

I like my line better.  But I'm just one opinion - feel free to look into it.
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I don't see much difference between the two lines. Everything is the same except if we check first it moves the king from e2 to f1. It seems to me that this could help us later on though I can't see it now. There certainly no harm in it though IMO. 

 


John Bender said:
So if we simply played Rd3 he has 2 moves as a response, Rc4 or Bd4.

In response to either move, we immediately play Be7.

Coming soon thereafter is Bh4.  You mentioned you guys want to play for the win. The check on Re3 is not leading to anything concrete IMO.

I like my line better.  But I'm just one opinion - feel free to look into it.

If we get to a point where we have our bishop on H4 and then can play the rook to the 2nd rank - his king is a world of trouble and this is game over IMO.

Both his minor pieces will be isolated on the other side of our pawns and we just roll the pawns of doom from there
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If we want to play Rd3 here (and I think we do instead of be7), then I see no harm in checking him first then moving to Rd3.  It doesn't stop the line you're eying (which I think looks good).  Moving his king back a square surely doesn't hurt us now and may come in handy later.  It's probably irrelevant, but seems worthwhile since it's there for us.

 
Wilk said:
If we want to play Rd3 here (and I think we do instead of be7), then I see no harm in checking him first then moving to Rd3.  It doesn't stop the line you're eying (which I think looks good).  Moving his king back a square surely doesn't hurt us now and may come in handy later.  It's probably irrelevant, but seems worthwhile since it's there for us.
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Agreed. Anybody object? 

 
Either way I am good with it, but I'll defer to John here and will vote for whatever he recommends.  I very much like John's response of be7 (after rd3 and rc4 or bd4) then bh4 (or bg5) a lot.  Puts us back on the offensive.  I was so focused on killing his d pawn I totally missed it.  It's really good.

 
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Looking deeper.  John's right.  The check is unnecessary. Kf1 is basically forced after bh4.  Rd3 right now gets my vote.

 
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Great thread.  I'm a novice, but been following this thread from the beginning.  This right now is the best part for me.  The end game play is very interesting and surprisingly complicated.

Great job all, especially Tim.  

 
Thanks wilk!

I still like my move here Tim (and the line afterward). I'm never on here much during the weekend but will absolutely try my best here. 

 
OK, I know you guys mean to play Bh4 here. But I am wondering about Ka6. Is that a wild move? It's threatening Kb5. Am I crazy? 

 
after Bh4, he can't move his pawn, he can't move his bishop, he can't move his rook anywhere but rb4+ (but kc6 puts him in a bind).  He's gotta move his king.  The only possible spot is kf1.  After rd2, he's in the same spot.  He's gotta move his king. the only possible spot is kg1.

At that point, we gotta look hard.  I think we probably start marching the pawns with f4.

 
Wilk said:
after Bh4, he can't move his pawn, he can't move his bishop, he can't move his rook anywhere but rb4+ (but kc6 puts him in a bind).  He's gotta move his king.  The only possible spot is kf1.  After rd2, he's in the same spot.  He's gotta move his king. the only possible spot is kg1.

At that point, we gotta look hard.  I think we probably start marching the pawns with f4.
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Makes sense. But should we also consider Ka6?

f Ka6 he can't allow Kb5 so

Ka6 Rc6+ Kb5 Rb6+ Kc4 Re6 Bh4

What about that? What else does white do? 

 
timschochet said:
Makes sense. But should we also consider Ka6?

f Ka6 he can't allow Kb5 so

Ka6 Rc6+ Kb5 Rb6+ Kc4 Re6 Bh4

What about that? What else does white do? 
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...ka6

Rc6+...kb5

Rc5+... That doesn't look good. Kb4? Then re5 And bishop swap?

Sweep the leg. Bh4.

 
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Well he didn't see it. 

You were right, Wilk! Kaspy plays Kf1.

I think he could have played Rc5 there forcing a draw.  And because his King was on e2 instead of f1.

Anyhow, I believe we dodged a bullet. What now? 

 
Wilk said:
Assuming he plays kg1, i think we stop down and get a lot of input on what should be next. I think f4, but lets walk through a bunch of lines.
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So WIlk am I right that we escaped him playing Rc5? I really think that would have led to a draw for sure. 

 
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