massraider
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Must have been a coincidence.
Not one Republican in Oregon voted to make it easier to vote. Huh.
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Federal Appeals Court Rules New NC Voting Laws Intended To Discriminate (1 Viewer)
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Not one Republican in Oregon voted to make it easier to vote. Huh.
Not possible. I was told that voter ID laws can only be tools of racist suppression.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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massraider
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
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massraider
Footballguy
No one has had said that voter ID laws can only be tools of racist suppression.
Post a link or move on from your straw man.
You have voter suppression to ignore.
Post a link or move on from your straw man.
You have voter suppression to ignore.
I'm willing to stipulate that many of the ones passed so far were, as long as we can replace "racial" with "racial and other". Don't know about ALL, since I'm not familiar with all of them.Matthias said:
I'm willing to stipulate that all the ones passed so far were to intentionally and specifically eliminate Democratic votes in a number of cases by focusing on racial voting patterns. But that's not quite the same.
Megaton
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And on the flip side, Democrats action attempt to increase Democratic votes and eliminate Republican votes such as in cases where Democrats threw out Military ballots for improper postal markings or only advocated for selective recounts in Democrstic districts. Yeah, politicians suck and in the vast majority of cases advocate policies to win elections over what is fair or best for the country.Matthias said:
I'm willing to stipulate that all the ones passed so far were to intentionally and specifically eliminate Democratic votes in a number of cases by focusing on racial voting patterns. But that's not quite the same.
massraider
Footballguy
Megaton
Footballguy
Could you explain what a voter ID law would look like which is not about racial surpression? You have said all the laws currently are about racial surpression, so I am curious what type of voter ID law would pass your criteria.
Megaton
Footballguy
You do realize it was Democrats who Filibustered the civil rights act of 1964 for 57 days.
massraider
Footballguy
I'm not worried about voter ID.
I also don't have a problem with requiring it. Seems like you need an ID TO get on a Greyhound bus, so having one to vote seems reasonable.
I have said this already.
I'm not concerned with voter ID too much tho, because I am unaware of elections being stolen by graveyards full of people voting in one manner.
I am aware of Republican lawmakers attempting to fix elections. This bothers me, tremendously.
Question is, why doesn't it bother you?
massraider
Footballguy
I did not realize that. Is that an example of Democrats passing laws to suppress conservative votes?
Megaton
Footballguy
It was an attempt to reduce the African-American voter rights, which back in the 60's was more republican. Present day examples of Democrats supressing votes are in local elections where Democrats push for continuing off election cycle elections which always have pitiful turnout. This way the powerful teacher unions who are highly motivated and tuned into school board type elections can heavily influence these elections.
parasaurolophus
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Megaton
Footballguy
It bothers me if there are real barriers to getting IDs. But many states have really lose voter ID laws which even allow voters to cast non-provisional ballots even without an ID. So there are voter ID laws out there, many of which are not attempts to suppress votes. Most have held up to legal scrutiny.
massraider
Footballguy
This is not an example of Democrats passing laws to suppress conservative votes, though, is it?
I actually figure there are examples of this, I'm not being a smart #### here. Well, a little bit.
Are the only example we have of lawmakers suppressing votes from Republican lawmakers? That can't be right.
squistion
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You do realize that was mostly southern Democrats like Strom Thurmond, who later became Republicans.
Megaton
Footballguy
Not true. Most eventually got out of politics and several like Byrd and Gore stayed Democrats.
massraider
Footballguy
Hey that's great to hear that not all voter ID laws are actually voter suppression laws. My question remains:
Why arent you bothered by this?
It's the actual result of what voter ID laws are concerned with: unfair elections.
What the fear is, is actually happening. Yet you aren't concerned with that.
squistion
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Skoo
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Love when Conservatives try to steal the civil rights movement and call it their own.
I guess it must be annoying to look back and realize your party is always on the wrong side of history, but it is what it is.
Progressives freed the slaves.
Progressives pushed for women's voting rights.
Progressives pushed for civil rights in the 60s.
Progressives pushed for gay marriage.
I guess it must be annoying to look back and realize your party is always on the wrong side of history, but it is what it is.
Progressives freed the slaves.
Progressives pushed for women's voting rights.
Progressives pushed for civil rights in the 60s.
Progressives pushed for gay marriage.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yeah, I turned 18 in 1991. Which party should I have registered with if I cared about civil rights?
Megaton
Footballguy
Yeah. That was the post I was responding to also. I read it and disagreed with his partisan spin which is largely denial. Most people today were not alive 50 years ago. Society has advanced even though there are some people stuck with that old mentality. Sometimes Deomcrats pander to that, sometime Republicans pander to that. Today Trump does more than anyone and it is kind of sad. It sad that both parties are lead by people who should not be in the White House.
The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
Since we know that whites are just as likely to be receiving public assistance, why it that to be considered racist?Matthias said:
The Commish
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Oh....this can't be good, can it??fatguyinalittlecoat said:
fatguyinalittlecoat
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The Commish
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The Commish
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For one, it seems reasonable. That's a red flag in threads like this, no? 
roadkill1292
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Seems like a reasonable start to helping everyone who is eligible get to the polls.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Sometimes stuff that seems reasonable is actually reasonable.For one, it seems reasonable. That's a red flag in threads like this, no?
The Commish
Footballguy
to you both.....looks like we are beyond this topic though and on to the "No True Republican" and "No True Democrat" portions of the show 
roadkill1292
Footballguy
We were talking about demographics in another thread and it occurs to me that this NC situation is another one where Republicans are just killing any chance they ever have of making inroads with black voters. While they pass these laws expressly to eliminate voters hostile to them, the very act just entrenches the opposition. Why would a black NC voter ever vote Republican now? I don't think fighting demographics by limiting suffrage is a viable long term strategy.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Mostly true... it was the southern wing of the Democratic Party. Subsequently many of those same people (and their political descendants) left the Democratic Party to become Republicans in protest of Democratic support for the Civil Rights act.Megaton said:
Worth noting that Democrats still voted for the bill 46-21. And safe to say that there are very few white male Senators in the south who are Democrats these days.
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roadkill1292
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You know, by now we shouldn't have to relate this history. If someone is bringing up the old "Dems opposed the Civil Rights Act in 1964" crapola in a debate, then they're really not worth engaging at all.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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roadkill1292
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My ire was directed at this Megaton cat, who is obviously the alias of someone justifiably banished from here in an earlier guise.
We all make mistakes.
BigSteelThrill
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roadkill1292
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Megaton
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No ire towards the idiocy of branding all attempts to initiate voter ID laws as racist attempts to suppress minority votes? That what prompted the response. You pick your ire based purely on your partisan viewpoint.
tdoss
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Wouldn't the result be the same? It's already been said many times that whites are more likely to get drivers licenses and ID'S.fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Automatically registering those who get them is obviously a benefit to whites...disproportionately so...apparently.
#WhitePrivilege
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
As far as I know this is not the exclusive method to register in Oregon.
tdoss
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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massraider
Footballguy
This is where the obtuse arguments that the poster doesn't even believe himself come out.
Arguing semantics and minutiae.
Arguing semantics and minutiae.
The Commish
Footballguy
In tdoss' defense, there's a good bit of inconsistency here. Anything beyond "trying to get each and every person out to vote" is drawing an arbitrary line. If this is the goal, which it should be IMO, then that's the measure. So anything targeting a lesser goal is open to scrutiny (or should be anyway).
