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[fatness]

I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread on it, but yes the Giants fired (errr, reassigned) their OC and promoted QB coach Kevin Gilbride to OC and playcalling duties.

http://www.courant.com/sports/football/gia...eadlines-giants

Isn't Gilbride the guy Buddy Ryan hated so much for using the "chuck 'n duck"?

 

[wilked]

Call it panic, call it lighting a fire, call it whatever - Giants have one game to save the season. Whether it is Coughlin, Shanahan, or Parcells, when your back is against the wall you have to pull out all stops. The offense has sucked lately (a lot of which is due to the O-Line IMO), the players are not executing on simple tasks...something had to change if they are to do anything with the rest of the season

 

[fatness]

It'll be interesting to see if the Giants players and coaches pull together during the game, or whether they turn on each other at critical times.

Really, it's a good opportunity for the Giants and for Gilbride to be calling plays. He likes to pass a lot and the Redskin pass rush has been abysmal all year. So there should be time for Manning to throw.

I just get the feeling they're on the verge of falling apart completely.

 

[harryhood]

all it takes is one win. If I am the eagles or dallas, I DO NOT want to see the giants again. They look like they are falling apart at the seams, and if they dont get the job done this year, that is exactly what will happen. However, if they win, and I really feel that they should, watch out. This team could make some noise if it sneaks in.

 

[suchislife]

It'll be interesting to see if the Giants players and coaches pull together during the game, or whether they turn on each other at critical times.Really, it's a good opportunity for the Giants and for Gilbride to be calling plays. He likes to pass a lot and the Redskin pass rush has been abysmal all year. So there should be time for Manning to throw. I just get the feeling they're on the verge of falling apart completely.

On the verge of falling apart? When you've lost 6 out of 7 games and the players are pointing fingers at coaches and other players, you've fallen completely apart. Maybe they are on the verge of pulling themselves back together, but that's yet to be seen.Also, I laugh at those who call a matchup with the Eagles as "very winnable". The Giants have played one good quarter of football against the Eagles this season. When you've lost 6 of 7 games, "very winnable" should not be part of your vocabulary. The Giants mantra right now should be "let's not embarrass ourselves anymore".

 

[baronson]

It'll be interesting to see if the Giants players and coaches pull together during the game, or whether they turn on each other at critical times.Really, it's a good opportunity for the Giants and for Gilbride to be calling plays. He likes to pass a lot and the Redskin pass rush has been abysmal all year. So there should be time for Manning to throw. I just get the feeling they're on the verge of falling apart completely.

On the verge of falling apart? When you've lost 6 out of 7 games and the players are pointing fingers at coaches and other players, you've fallen completely apart. Maybe they are on the verge of pulling themselves back together, but that's yet to be seen.Also, I laugh at those who call a matchup with the Eagles as "very winnable". The Giants have played one good quarter of football against the Eagles this season. When you've lost 6 of 7 games, "very winnable" should not be part of your vocabulary. The Giants mantra right now should be "let's not embarrass ourselves anymore".

as a giants fan:

 

[biggamer3]

It'll be interesting to see if the Giants players and coaches pull together during the game, or whether they turn on each other at critical times.Really, it's a good opportunity for the Giants and for Gilbride to be calling plays. He likes to pass a lot and the Redskin pass rush has been abysmal all year. So there should be time for Manning to throw. I just get the feeling they're on the verge of falling apart completely.

On the verge of falling apart? When you've lost 6 out of 7 games and the players are pointing fingers at coaches and other players, you've fallen completely apart. Maybe they are on the verge of pulling themselves back together, but that's yet to be seen.Also, I laugh at those who call a matchup with the Eagles as "very winnable". The Giants have played one good quarter of football against the Eagles this season. When you've lost 6 of 7 games, "very winnable" should not be part of your vocabulary. The Giants mantra right now should be "let's not embarrass ourselves anymore".

Maybe i see the team with a glass half full approach, but with the weapons we have on offense, there is always that potential that they just start clicking.remember when Fossil stripped PAyton of playcalling duties late in hthe season?Well we went on a crazy offensive outburst immediately following that game, so in essence maybe all they need is a spark, or a huge freaking fire to get them going

 

[suchislife]

It'll be interesting to see if the Giants players and coaches pull together during the game, or whether they turn on each other at critical times.Really, it's a good opportunity for the Giants and for Gilbride to be calling plays. He likes to pass a lot and the Redskin pass rush has been abysmal all year. So there should be time for Manning to throw. I just get the feeling they're on the verge of falling apart completely.

On the verge of falling apart? When you've lost 6 out of 7 games and the players are pointing fingers at coaches and other players, you've fallen completely apart. Maybe they are on the verge of pulling themselves back together, but that's yet to be seen.Also, I laugh at those who call a matchup with the Eagles as "very winnable". The Giants have played one good quarter of football against the Eagles this season. When you've lost 6 of 7 games, "very winnable" should not be part of your vocabulary. The Giants mantra right now should be "let's not embarrass ourselves anymore".

Maybe i see the team with a glass half full approach, but with the weapons we have on offense, there is always that potential that they just start clicking.remember when Fossil stripped PAyton of playcalling duties late in hthe season?Well we went on a crazy offensive outburst immediately following that game, so in essence maybe all they need is a spark, or a huge freaking fire to get them going

Anything can happen and yes, Giants fans should back their team. However from an Eagles viewpoint, a matchup with the Giants would certainly be viewed as a "very winnable" game.

 

[Hamstring]

It'll be interesting to see if the Giants players and coaches pull together during the game, or whether they turn on each other at critical times.Really, it's a good opportunity for the Giants and for Gilbride to be calling plays. He likes to pass a lot and the Redskin pass rush has been abysmal all year. So there should be time for Manning to throw. I just get the feeling they're on the verge of falling apart completely.

On the verge of falling apart? When you've lost 6 out of 7 games and the players are pointing fingers at coaches and other players, you've fallen completely apart. Maybe they are on the verge of pulling themselves back together, but that's yet to be seen.Also, I laugh at those who call a matchup with the Eagles as "very winnable". The Giants have played one good quarter of football against the Eagles this season. When you've lost 6 of 7 games, "very winnable" should not be part of your vocabulary. The Giants mantra right now should be "let's not embarrass ourselves anymore".

Maybe i see the team with a glass half full approach, but with the weapons we have on offense, there is always that potential that they just start clicking.remember when Fossil stripped PAyton of playcalling duties late in hthe season?Well we went on a crazy offensive outburst immediately following that game, so in essence maybe all they need is a spark, or a huge freaking fire to get them going

The Giants are really awful in all phases. I can't see them winning 1 game much less 2 or even 3 in a row. I can't remember the last good game they played/ The first Romo game? A slide isn't really a slide when its gone half a season. Its's who they are, a mess. They are good in Madden though.

 

[fatness]

It doesn't look like Strahan will be playing. Link

It looks like Shockey may miss the game also. Link

 

[wilked]

People will talk badly about the Giants, with good reason, but it is also worth recognizing that:

*8 of their games were against playoff teams, with 6 against division winners (compare that with Chicago who played 4 playoff teams, or New Orleans who played 3)

*Could realistically end the season with only 4 games against sub-0.500 teams (Chicago could well have only played 2 teams with winning records, New Orleans 3)

The schedule was brutal...no excuses in the NFL, but it is at least worth mentioning

 

[Assani Fisher]

IF DALLAS BEATS PHILADELPHIA

NY Giants clinch a playoff berth:

1) NYG win + NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB

2) NYG win + PHI loss

3) NYG win + GB loss or tie

4) NYG tie + GB loss or tie + STL loss or tie + ATL loss or tie + CAR loss or tie

5) GB loss + STL loss + ATL loss + CAR loss

IF PHILADELPHIA BEATS DALLAS

NY Giants clinch a playoff berth:

1) NYG win + NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB

2) NYG win + GB loss or tie

3) NYG tie + GB loss or tie + STL loss or tie + ATL loss or tie + CAR loss or tie

4) GB loss + STL loss + ATL loss + CAR loss

 

[Hamstring]

People will talk badly about the Giants, with good reason, but it is also worth recognizing that:*8 of their games were against playoff teams, with 6 against division winners (compare that with Chicago who played 4 playoff teams, or New Orleans who played 3)*Could realistically end the season with only 4 games against sub-0.500 teams (Chicago could well have only played 2 teams with winning records, New Orleans 3)The schedule was brutal...no excuses in the NFL, but it is at least worth mentioning

The Giants did get to play Chicago and got whupped at home. The mental lapses on the field and bickering is what is very troublesome about the Giants. And weren't the last 8 games a little easier than the first 8? They got worse as the season went on. A lot worse. Not being able to put away the Redskins was gross as well. Bad coaching, injuries, a "difficult" schedule (maybe 1 or 2 games were harder) are all part of it, but 2-6? Ugh.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

People will talk badly about the Giants, with good reason, but it is also worth recognizing that:*8 of their games were against playoff teams, with 6 against division winners (compare that with Chicago who played 4 playoff teams, or New Orleans who played 3)*Could realistically end the season with only 4 games against sub-0.500 teams (Chicago could well have only played 2 teams with winning records, New Orleans 3)The schedule was brutal...no excuses in the NFL, but it is at least worth mentioning

True. It was a very difficult schedule. But given the talent on the team and what they accomplished last year - and given the fact that they didn't play as good as they could have and still started 6-2, the fact that they are 8-8 is disgusting.But I want Coughlin's head, so I continue to be extremely biased in these discussions.

 

[redman]

People will talk badly about the Giants, with good reason, but it is also worth recognizing that:

*8 of their games were against playoff teams, with 6 against division winners (compare that with Chicago who played 4 playoff teams, or New Orleans who played 3)

*Could realistically end the season with only 4 games against sub-0.500 teams (Chicago could well have only played 2 teams with winning records, New Orleans 3)

The schedule was brutal...no excuses in the NFL, but it is at least worth mentioning

True. It was a very difficult schedule. But given the talent on the team and what they accomplished last year - and given the fact that they didn't play as good as they could have and still started 6-2, the fact that they are 8-8 is disgusting.But I want Coughlin's head, so I continue to be extremely biased in these discussions.

I agree with you. This team is underperforming, and I put a lot of blame on Coughlin, although the prima-donna factor on this squad is very high (you'll recall that agitation by the veteran leaders players helped lead to Fassel's firing too). First of all, their jabs in the press have been matched by those same players coming up small on the field. Shockey, Burress and Barber have all had disappointing years on some level or another - Shockey and Burress have in particular dropped a lot of passes and turned in poor performances overall. He's not much of a talker, but Eli also has seemed to regress and simply makes extremely poor decisions with the football at times. In short, their stars have let them down.

Second, you can't blame this on injuries, with only one exception. I think Toomer's injury hurt that team more than has been discussed. Burress, for all of his physical skills, cannot be relied upon to be a #1 WR. Toomer's injury has exposed him as the moody, inconsistent player that he is, and Shockey's lapses in attention have prevented him from making up the difference as a receiving target who can be relied upon to make critical catches, e.g. on third down.

That said, people have pointed to the injuries on defense to Arrington, Tuck and Strahan, but that's not really where the defense has let them down. Arrington's washed up IMHO, and Short is at least as good as he is at this point. The defensive line is still solid with Osi and Kiwi in there given the overall quality of those guys and their DT's. It's the defensive secondary which has allowed big plays and which Coughlin and Co. have failed to fix. That defense lives and dies on the ability of Pierce and the front four to make plays or at least put pressure in the offensive backfield. When they can't do it by themselves, there are major problems.