Female teacher gets 38 years for fondling and oral sex (1 Viewer)

[JZilla]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

Stop trying to rape my opinion.

 

[glock]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

Or people have to be educated regarding it's meaning?

 

[Henry Ford]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

You don't think there should be a legal definition of rape? Or that performing sexual acts on a twelve year old shouldn't fit that definition?

 

[JZilla]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

You don't think there should be a legal definition of rape? Or that performing sexual acts on a twelve year old shouldn't fit that definition?

I think rape should be redefined. I was molested as a child but I don't think I was raped. And I thank Christ for that.

And the only thing I learned from it, cstu and Grove, is to keep my own kids out of bad situations and not be a horrible parent like mine were.

To be fair, I didn't see the word "rape" anywhere in the reporting on this case, just you two-bit knobs throwing it around.

 

[McGarnicle]

One thing is for sure, this topic is turning my stomach the more I think about it. I don't want to give the impression that I think any sexual activity between an adult and a child is okay under any circumstances. I do think some acts are more traumatic than others depending on a number of circumstances and that is the point I was trying to make. But bottom line is I wish none of it ever happened in the first place.

 

[Henry Ford]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

You don't think there should be a legal definition of rape? Or that performing sexual acts on a twelve year old shouldn't fit that definition?

I think rape should be redefined. I was molested as a child but I don't think I was raped. And I thank Christ for that.

And the only thing I learned from it, cstu and Grove, is to keep my own kids out of bad situations and not be a horrible parent like mine were.

To be fair, I didn't see the word "rape" anywhere in the reporting on this case, just you two-bit knobs throwing it around.

That's because Florida law doesn't have a definition of "rape" at all. All of those offenses that are called "rape" in other jurisdictions are called "sexual battery" in Florida.

 

[JZilla]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

You don't think there should be a legal definition of rape? Or that performing sexual acts on a twelve year old shouldn't fit that definition?

I think rape should be redefined. I was molested as a child but I don't think I was raped. And I thank Christ for that.

And the only thing I learned from it, cstu and Grove, is to keep my own kids out of bad situations and not be a horrible parent like mine were.

To be fair, I didn't see the word "rape" anywhere in the reporting on this case, just you two-bit knobs throwing it around.

That's because Florida law doesn't have a definition of "rape" at all. All of those offenses that are called "rape" in other jurisdictions are called "sexual battery" in Florida.

Wonderful. My point stands.

 

[Zow]

It's very possible that the Florida state sentencing guidelines and statutes tied the judge's hands and the 38 years was on the very low end of what he could have given.

While I'm not familiar with Florida guidelines in statutes, if this case occurred in my state of Arizona and a jury convicted a defendant of these same nine counts, the law requires the judge give a minimum of at least five years per count (very possibly more depending on how it was charged) and the law would require a judge run any sentence for oral sex consecutively.

Given that the article notes she faced 138ish years, it certainly sounds like the judge gave a sentence possibly as light as Florida law allowed him. So those of you blasting the judge should probably focus your anger towards the legislature.

Nice guesswork based accusations counselor.

Nice hyperbole by use of loaded statements, doormat.

In doing just a quick search Florida statute defines oral sexual contact without the use of force with a minor 12 years or older as "sexual battery." Pursuant to F.S. 794.011(5) this type of sexual battery is a second degree felony. According to F.S. 775.082(3)(b)4.c a second degree felony is punishable by up to 15 years prison for each count.

I don't have time to do further research, but I'm pretty confident in assuming (not "guessing" or "accusing") that other sections of 775 or alternate Florida sentencing guidelines for sex crimes likely make this a prison on defense, set floors, and probably require offenses committed on separate dates to be run consecutively. But nonetheless, this defendant was looking at numerous up to 15 year sentences. I stand by my opinion that the judge's hands were probably really tied by the Florida sentencing guidelines at sentencing, that he gave a relatively "low" sentence based on those guidelines, and that the defendant was aware of this possibility prior to trial.

 

[Zow]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

You don't think there should be a legal definition of rape? Or that performing sexual acts on a twelve year old shouldn't fit that definition?

I think rape should be redefined. I was molested as a child but I don't think I was raped. And I thank Christ for that.

And the only thing I learned from it, cstu and Grove, is to keep my own kids out of bad situations and not be a horrible parent like mine were.

To be fair, I didn't see the word "rape" anywhere in the reporting on this case, just you two-bit knobs throwing it around.

That's because Florida law doesn't have a definition of "rape" at all. All of those offenses that are called "rape" in other jurisdictions are called "sexual battery" in Florida.

Wonderful. My point stands.

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

 

[Henry Ford]

Lastly, if people not only in this thread but in society in general would stop casually throwing around the 'R' word we could probably have more honest discussions about varying levels of sexual abuse, and their respective consequences.

The "R" word is a legal term that has a defined meaning.

Maybe that ought to change.

You don't think there should be a legal definition of rape? Or that performing sexual acts on a twelve year old shouldn't fit that definition?

I think rape should be redefined. I was molested as a child but I don't think I was raped. And I thank Christ for that.

And the only thing I learned from it, cstu and Grove, is to keep my own kids out of bad situations and not be a horrible parent like mine were.

To be fair, I didn't see the word "rape" anywhere in the reporting on this case, just you two-bit knobs throwing it around.

That's because Florida law doesn't have a definition of "rape" at all. All of those offenses that are called "rape" in other jurisdictions are called "sexual battery" in Florida.

Wonderful. My point stands.

I am happy for you that keeping the word "rape" out of your own experience gives you some sense of relief and peace. You're not under any obligation to define your own horrible experience in legal terms, no matter what, and how you deal with it, and have moved forward in your life to become a good person, is no doubt commendable, difficult, and will probably be a lifelong process to some extent. Someone who's been the object of an act or series of acts like this has every right to his own definition of the experience. Unquestionably.

That said, any legal definition of rape (or sexual battery if we'd rather) which doesn't include oral sex on a 12-year-old is a poor legal definition.

 

[JZilla]

That said, any legal definition of rape (or sexual battery if we'd rather) which doesn't include oral sex on a 12-year-old is a poor legal definition.

Well in my mind, in a practical sense - and I don't play legalese hairsplitting here because I don't know law, nor do I pretend to - this boy was manipulated, coerced and ultimately violated, as has happened with hundreds of millions of 12 year olds (and younger.. if not more) over human history, but he was not raped.

To say he was raped does a disservice to people who were raped. Just my opinion.

And save your smug junior college analysis on me, thanks

 

[JZilla]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

 

[Henry Ford]

That said, any legal definition of rape (or sexual battery if we'd rather) which doesn't include oral sex on a 12-year-old is a poor legal definition.

Well in my mind, in a practical sense - and I don't play legalese hairsplitting here because I don't know law, nor do I pretend to - this boy was manipulated, coerced and ultimately violated, as has happened with hundreds of millions of 12 year olds (and younger.. if not more) over human history, but he was not raped.

To say he was raped does a disservice to people who were raped. Just my opinion.

And save your smug junior college analysis on me, thanks

It's not a smug analysis, I'm trying to express to you that I think your opinion/definition of your own experience is perfectly valid while telling you that your opinion on what should be defined as rape is borderline moronic.

"In a practical sense" your opinion does a disservice to 12-year-olds who are the victims of rape. Like this one.

 

[JZilla]

It's not a smug analysis, I'm trying to express to you that I think your opinion/definition of your own experience is perfectly valid while telling you that your opinion on what should be defined as rape is borderline moronic.

"In a practical sense" your opinion does a disservice to 12-year-olds who are the victims of rape. Like this one.

Fair enough, pal.. I've said all I can say on the matter.

I should reiterate that I am perfectly OK with the sentence this child molester got, and I think rapists should be executed.

 

[Zow]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

I don't inherently disagree with you. I do think we should term different non-consual acts differently to an extent in the spirit of acknowledging the potential differences in impact (our criminal statutes already do this and it causes the punishments to vary).

Where I disagree is in your assertion that non-consensual oral penetration would stand outside whatever definitional term we assign to non-consensual ######l or anal intercourse.

 

[JZilla]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

I don't inherently disagree with you. I do think we should term different non-consual acts differently to an extent in the spirit of acknowledging the potential differences in impact (our criminal statutes already do this and it causes the punishments to vary).

Where I disagree is in your assertion that non-consensual oral penetration would stand outside whatever definitional term we assign to non-consensual ######l or anal intercourse.

I'm with you. But that's not what happened here.

 

[Henry Ford]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

I don't inherently disagree with you. I do think we should term different non-consual acts differently to an extent in the spirit of acknowledging the potential differences in impact (our criminal statutes already do this and it causes the punishments to vary).

Where I disagree is in your assertion that non-consensual oral penetration would stand outside whatever definitional term we assign to non-consensual ######l or anal intercourse.

I'm with you. But that's not what happened here.

Except it is. It sounds like you don't like the definition of "consent" either.

 

[JZilla]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

I don't inherently disagree with you. I do think we should term different non-consual acts differently to an extent in the spirit of acknowledging the potential differences in impact (our criminal statutes already do this and it causes the punishments to vary).

Where I disagree is in your assertion that non-consensual oral penetration would stand outside whatever definitional term we assign to non-consensual ######l or anal intercourse.

I'm with you. But that's not what happened here.

Except it is. It sounds like you don't like the definition of "consent" either.

My apologies, I only read the one link. The OP does not mention that this boy was forcibly violated against his will.

You really are being an insufferable ####### here Kudos

 

[Zow]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

I don't inherently disagree with you. I do think we should term different non-consual acts differently to an extent in the spirit of acknowledging the potential differences in impact (our criminal statutes already do this and it causes the punishments to vary).

Where I disagree is in your assertion that non-consensual oral penetration would stand outside whatever definitional term we assign to non-consensual ######l or anal intercourse.

I'm with you. But that's not what happened here.

Except it is. It sounds like you don't like the definition of "consent" either.

My apologies, I only read the one link. The OP does not mention that this boy was forcibly violated against his will.

You really are being an insufferable ####### here Kudos

Eesh

 

[JZilla]

My apologies, I only read the one link. The OP does not mention that this boy was forcibly violated against his will.

You really are being an insufferable ####### here Kudos

Eesh

Again.. purposefully obtuse, though in your case, it might just be obtuse

I'm sure you would like to paint me as being OK with what happened with this boy when clearly I am just trying to point out that coercion and physical violence are two very different things, with very different consequences.

And maybe the words have failed me, but hey, I tried.

 

[Henry Ford]

Not a big fan of synonyms? Or in this case merely calling "rape" something else suffices you?

If you were paying attention you would know my point was that the usage of these words should change, and that the word rape should not automatically be applied to every case of sexual molestation. Of course that's just my opinion and clearly many of you disagree. I wonder if you have really thought about the differences though, or if you're just trying to be obtuse, as many good points were ignored here, well before I came along and made you all feel awkward.

I don't inherently disagree with you. I do think we should term different non-consual acts differently to an extent in the spirit of acknowledging the potential differences in impact (our criminal statutes already do this and it causes the punishments to vary).

Where I disagree is in your assertion that non-consensual oral penetration would stand outside whatever definitional term we assign to non-consensual ######l or anal intercourse.

I'm with you. But that's not what happened here.

Except it is. It sounds like you don't like the definition of "consent" either.

My apologies, I only read the one link. The OP does not mention that this boy was forcibly violated against his will.

You really are being an insufferable ####### here Kudos

Can you see the difference between "non-consensual" and "forcibly violated against his will"? Do you understand that one category includes the other? All "forcibly violated against his will" cases are "non-consensual." Not all "non-consensual" cases are "forcibly violated against his will."

 

[Henry Ford]

My apologies, I only read the one link. The OP does not mention that this boy was forcibly violated against his will.

You really are being an insufferable ####### here Kudos

Eesh

Again.. purposefully obtuse, though in your case, it might just be obtuse

I'm sure you would like to paint me as being OK with what happened with this boy when clearly I am just trying to point out that coercion and physical violence are two very different things, with very different consequences.

And maybe the words have failed me, but hey, I tried.

No one thinks that.

 

[Zow]

My apologies, I only read the one link. The OP does not mention that this boy was forcibly violated against his will.

You really are being an insufferable ####### here Kudos

Eesh

Again.. purposefully obtuse, though in your case, it might just be obtuse

I'm sure you would like to paint me as being OK with what happened with this boy when clearly I am just trying to point out that coercion and physical violence are two very different things, with very different consequences.

And maybe the words have failed me, but hey, I tried.

To an extent, the law doesn't necessarily agree with you here. By law, "rape" (sexual conduct with a minor, forcible sodomy, sexual assault, sexual battery, or whatever you want to call it) may not require actual physical violence.

 

[kutta]

It's really weird how I think some of you are really nutty and you think I am equally nutty.

Humans are strange.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

did he have an orgasm?

 

[HellToupee]

did he have an orgasm?

the kid that was taken advantage of by the extreme cheer mom nutted in her mouth

 

[kutta]

did he have an orgasm?

the kid that was taken advantage of by the extreme cheer mom nutted in her mouth

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the same as what Sandusky did, at least according to some folks in this thread.

 

[Henry Ford]

did he have an orgasm?

Who cares?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

did he have an orgasm?

Who cares?

i just wonder if ,at that age ,he understood what that amazing feeling was?

 

[Todd Andrews]

did he have an orgasm?

the kid that was taken advantage of by the extreme cheer mom nutted in her mouth

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the same as what Sandusky did, at least according to some folks in this thread.

Bingo. To fully understand we must know whether this kid thought the cheer mom was hotter than Sandusky.

 

[JZilla]

did he have an orgasm?

Who cares?

i just wonder if ,at that age ,he understood what that amazing feeling was?

Pretty much every 12 year old I ever knew is already an expert because they did it a bunch of times last summer, except that girl lives in Canada now